Thread 149302930

Peter should find a better redhead.

>>149302930 (OP)
At this point, everyone wants someone else for him. But after issues 149 and 150 of Amazing, Peter being separated from MJ feels wrong

>>149302930 (OP)
Barbara Gordon?

Firestar liked ben, not peter.
>>149303082
>everyone wants someone else for him
Only BNDguys (or people still stuck on gwen a decade later) and secondaries who dont really read the comics and like the r34. The sucess of stuff like USM and how mj is very much the one in the zeitgeist says something else.

She IS the love interest for 30 of 60 years, which is the most of any of them.

>>149303082
I think just how convoluted they make the breakups is the biggest reason desu. Instead of being normal shit its the devil or dimensions cause its impossible to think of a legit way of doing it

>>149303105
correct, anybody with a functioning brain pair Spidey with MJ because that's always been the endgame. only dimwits in denial ship him with anyone else

>>149303158
I get it for aus, but like. both god and the devil think its endgame. And almost all the good writers other than roger stern.

>>149303158
Well since the 70s, arguably 80s.

>>149303082
The obvious solution is to introduce 616 Michelle Jones and have her marry Peter forever.

>>149303105
>people who ship with MJ
>they've always been together so the ship is good

>people who ship with others
>MJ is not good for peter he should find someone better
Makes you think.

>>149303192
I mean, you forget that peter/mj only exists becuase people pushed for it. And after 60 years, some things ARE set in stone, no matter how much certain writers might not like it.

And that MJ IS good for peter. Peter literally only clawed trough his grave due to his love for MJ. Did you forget the most celebrated spider-man story ever? Or mj being the only reason he managed to get over gwen's death. Like, there is a lot of it to it.

>>149303192
Ngl people who ship him with others only use the most uncharitable ooc shit for mj, and ignore how all of the others have equally, if not worse ooc shit. Or ship him with characters he's not spoken two words to.

>>149303192
MJ and Peter are good for more reasons than just "they've always been together", their personalities and ambitions suit each other well and in general only someone daring and crazy could survive dating both Peter and Spidey, Gwen and Felicia could only ever do one and the same goes for every other relationship (except Kitty and Chat in AU comics)

People can't see him with anyone else because he's had decades of quality content with MJ meanwhile the past 2 decades since the not-divorce has been a revolving door of some of the worst love interests to ever be penned

If you told someone that they retconned his origin to introduce a biological sex slave with pheromones to gave him a primal need to breed her tight asian pussy and make her his totemic brood queen they'd tell you that you're a porn addict

>>149303251
Chat is basically just ultimate MJ with superpowers desu

>>149303257
And they still dropped silk as a love intrest right after lol.

Pairing him with someone else is fine in whatever the fuck. The issue is the geeks who think the comics matter throwing a fit over something that isn't the comics.

>>149303251
>daring and crazy
Get a girl who'd bust a cap in your archenemy's ass

>>149303257
Yeah it's like trying to ship Superman with someone other than Lois. You might have some favorites or arguments but anyone with a lick of sense knows where it needs to go

>>149303289
Ironically enough, a bunch of the BND camp fall there (see waid)

>>149303257
>People can't see him with anyone else because he's had decades of quality content with MJ meanwhile the past 2 decades since the not-divorce has been a revolving door of some of the worst love interests to ever be penned
And that's why Kitty Pryde should return in that role.

>>149303312
But 616 kitty was never that? 1610 kitty, and she existed in an overly specific context you cant port over. And desu, by the time ultimate peter was dating kitty the book had already gone past its prime (it went downhill in the venom arc)

>>149303289
>Yeah it's like trying to ship Superman with someone other than Lois.
All things considered I'm not sure really any other hero outside of maybe Dick Grayson gets as much arguing over best love interests.

>>149303341
And with dick he only has two real options. No one really pushes helena as a serious option no more.

>>149303341
Idk, dick doesnt have as solidly defined a MAIN love intrest. Babs and starfire are pretty evenly divided in media and comics. Peter is mj objectively. Cause she was for 30 years, and in almost every major adaptation other than tasm.

>>149303251
>Gwen and Felicia could only ever do one and the same goes for every other relationship
More of the fault with nor developing Felicia more.

>>149303362
>Babs and starfire are pretty evenly divided in media and comics.
Doesn't help there is an actual company struggle on shipping Barbara with Dick or Bruce for some reason. Which helps Kori a lot.

>>149303260
pretty much. every time Peter has a competent love interest that isn't MJ, they're essentially a rehash of MJ's traits and personality. Gwen Stacy in the TASM movies is the biggest example of this.
>>149303289
correct, I consider Peter & MJ to be the holy trinity of superhero couples alongside Clark & Lois and Reed & Susan. they're just perfect

>>149303387
Well, its just timm and like three projects (one of which she's also shipped with dick in)

>>149303289
>Yeah it's like trying to ship Superman with someone other than Lois. You might have some favorites or arguments but anyone with a lick of sense knows where it needs to go

>>149303419
>Wondie
Kingdom Come has been a disaster for that woman

Firestar is literally a whore too

>>149303419
They tried superman x ww, everyone hated it.

And lois has liked clark since the 80s my guy

>>149303362
Thinking about it Dick's is pretty similar to Terry, you have the one that is almost consistently endgame(babs/dana) while he has a fun fling that has its supporters but not as strong(kori,10). Bruce is also pretty similar though I think his love interests are more nuanced.

>>149303419
I love it when web comics demonstrate they never read a comic in their entire goddamn lives.

>>149303257
>People can't see him with anyone else because he's had decades of quality content with MJ meanwhile the past 2 decades since the not-divorce has been a revolving door of some of the worst love interests to ever be penned
Well there is one who's had a ton of quality content and cares about Peter just as much even if their relationship started out a bit rocky.

>>149303470
I always liked terry x max most, but its not super supported by the show

>>149303540
Venom doing the whole
>Isn't he dreamy
Bit while looking off to the side will never not be funny to me

>>149303551
Max was an annoying producer mandate that only got in the way of things and was redundant to what Bruce already did

>>149303641
I just liked their chemistry, but i do get that argument.

>>149303470
I'd honestly argue Kory is the endgame but DC are too adamant in having Dick hang around with the Batfamily and Barbara always instead of a mature endgame relationship with Kory

>>149303334
If they can port Miles, they can port Kitty

>>149303428
New 52 did more damage honestly
>>149303476
same with the idiots that post them thinking it's a gotcha lmao, it just makes them look worse
>>149303853
Miles doesnt work in 616 frankly, his point was to be a successor after 1610 Peter's death so shifting him to 616 doesnt help. I like Miles but the shift was purely Marvel being stupid and the same thing is happening with Spider-Gwen now. their solo adventures in their own worlds are cooler, and there's already an abundance of Spider-people in 616. Miles has gotten better over the years but I wont use that as an excuse to do the same mistake again

they've always belonged with each other

>>149303853
They cant, they should have made a new miles from the ground up if they wanted him in 616, cause ultimate miles doesnt work in that context.

>>149303456
>They tried superman x ww, everyone hated it.
Don't care what old fucks like Waid or faggy millenials think. What does the current paying generation think?

>>149302930 (OP)
Peter and Felicia belong together, anything else is just noise.

>>149303158
actually it's PeterFel

>>149304106
Current gen wants WW to bang a woman so we can ignore their opinions. The seething over Absolute Steve Trevor was magnificent.

>>149303595
The smile is the cherry on top. He just needs a cigarette

>>149304106
They want Diana to go full lesbo

>>149304282
Based as long as her girlfriend is sexy and we get an entire issue of hot lesbian sex

>>149304322
Oh, I think you know better than that.

>>149303853
1610 is a dead universe. Kitty isn't coming back.

>>149304106
>Current generation
>Paying

I watched Into the Spider-Verse and Across the Spider-Verse 2 days ago. I really liked those movies, and I can't wait for the next one. I then watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2. That one wasn't so great.

>>149305228
Shut up.

>>149305228
based

>>149305228
I've just watched Spiderverse 1 and TASM 2. Both were trash, but supposedly TASM 1 isn’t that bad. But the suit looks awful lol

>>149305271
What didn't you like about Spiderverse 1?

>>149305466
Whenever they ask me this, I have to explain too much because Spiderversefags always say that I'm biased. And then they still won't listen to me. So, qrd: I don't like it, it's flawed and generic. If you receive more replies, that's not me

>>149305545
I guess I'll just say what I didn't like about it, then. I think that the other 3 Spidermen weren't used well, and barely used at all. I'm especially not happy with the noir Spiderman. And I just remembered that I watched the alternate universe cut. Thinking about what it added (you can tell what wasn't in the original by the fact that it's either story boards or unrendered 3d), I wouldn't have liked the cinema version as much.

>>149304123
She tried to kill aunt may...

>>149303082
Doesn't feel right either. Especially given MJ's direction over the psst couple of years

>>149305466
I found it to be a fundamentally self gratifying message that exists purely for the MC to feel special without having to actually earn it. The moral of "everyone can be behind the mask" completely misses the mark of Stan Lee's original point that a hero can come from humble origins if they learned to have the right strength of character. More over I found the animation to be sub par and completely disguised by flashy colors and "hip" music in order to convey a sense of style without weight.

>>149305662
The extra spiders were pointless. Noir and Ham did nothing for the movie and anything Peni did felt tacked on as a cheap justification. Gwen likewise just existed to be a generic "Cool girl." These were not characters.

Peter should die alone.

>>149305888
based

>>149302930 (OP)
Isn't Firestar basically Mary Jane mixed with the Human Torch?

>>149306757
She's a bit less of a party girl

At the end of the day you people are idiots for thinking this is some flaw with MJ's character and not something mandated by editorial and/or shipperfag writers. There is no "secret endgame" for Peter that hasn't been done yet, MJ is it, but the comics don't want him at his endgame so they make her act like a cunt to try and get people to stop liking her, then they ship her off to other books.

>>149303456
>>149303419
From Krypton With Love was the first thing that came to my mind, too. God, that was such a good comic.

>>149303251
Chat was cute but Emma mindfucking the girls so she could have Peter to herself was hot
Shame the MA line died

>>149306966
Everybody knows it’s editorial mandate, idiot. It’s just really bad regardless.

>>149302930 (OP)
Right you are, ma'am!

>>149303222
Jesus h Christ this is pathetic. You need to learn to separate reality from fiction
Peter crawled through the grave because the script says so
Gwen died and Peter got together with MJ because JR and Conway liked fun sluts
They're good together when the writing is good, which is actually a tiny percentage of the time they're together. The rest of the time they're struggling or MJ is just cheesecake.
And nothing is set in stone, or they never would have split in the first place

It's been 17 years. Time to move on.

>>149303540
>>149303595
Gotta give credit to the writer on how the symbiote bond is akin to a relationship, unlike the other media adaptions comparing it to an addiction.

>>149303091
Barbara is for Killer Moth

Do we have redhead?

>>149303391
>every time Peter has a competent love interest that isn't MJ, they're essentially a rehash of MJ's traits and personality. Gwen Stacy in the TASM movies is the biggest example of this.
Bullshit.

>>149307666
If you know that then why do you think it would magically get better if your waifu of choice got her hour in the sun?

Race mixing with Mutants is still frowned upon in the United States.

>>149303386
thats the biggest problem with Spider-Man comics right now. the Peter/MJ marriage is not a different issue but a direct symptom of this same thing: writers are afraid of actual character develpment. they won't let them get married, but they cannot write off MJ permanently either. they won't bring back Gwen Stacy but they keep doing bs asspulls like clones or alt universes or whatever. they constantly have Peter date Felicia but it never goes anywhere because theyre too useless to actually write Felicia as a character and not a caricature. it's like they have it ingrained in their minds that it should always be "Peter dates Felicia > they get close and fight crime together for a while > they breakup because Felicia craves thrill and can't commit" and they've done this a thousand times. every three years there's a new love interest and it's the same sad story, Peter can't keep up with appearances because he won't reveal his identity and the girl gets tired of his excuses and eventually dumps him.

things will never get better until faggots like Nick Lowe or Joe Quesada concede and let characters naturally progress through life and be more than just cardboard cutouts of their pop culture representations. I'm amazed they haven't reset JJJ into hating Spidey again yet.

>>149307636
>Emma mindfucking the girls so she could have Peter to herself was hot
qrd?

>>149302930 (OP)
Why limit him to a redhead?

>>149311682
his girlfriend didnt cheat on him and didnt run out of her wedding altar and wasnt an all-around bitch though, I'm sorry but Zendaya MJ is so far ahead of the fraud witch that was Kirsten MJ

>>149311699
>cuckshit
We get enough of that from the xmen

>>149306860
A lot less. I mean she was engaged to Justice for like 15 years and somehow they never banged. Crazy.

>>149302930 (OP)
She's with Chad Thundercock now. Suck it, Peter. You snooze, you lose.

>>149312183
>>149312206
Vancebros....

>>149312331
According to Angelica she and Vance never had sex because he said he wanted to wait until they were married. Which pissed her off after they broke up when she found out he and his new girlfriend couldn't keep their hands off each other.

Firestar was better when she was Liz Allen

>>149312393
There is no Ultimate Spider-Man character that's better than their main universe counterpart outside of maybe Kitty and Gwen

>>149311682
She looks a boy
>>149311704
Anon has a point

>>149303105
> The sucess of stuff like USM
God, I hate that comic. Because of it Spider-man is permanently a 15-year-old stuttering loser. I am so sick of high school Spider-man.

>>149312575
Pretty sure he means the new USM

>>149308683
Go to hell.

>>149312450
I'll still take Liz Allen as mutant Firestar over whatever the fuck 616 is doing with her right now, all I'd change is making her dad literally anybody except Blob

>>149302930 (OP)
Redheads are for losers.

>>149312920
>those transformation scenes with Felicia getting buff
between that and She-Hulk in Hulk TAS I never had a chance

>>149312920
I think Sable might be with Nightcrawler now. At least they had a fling in Uncanny Spider-Man about a year ago. Not sure if that's been referenced in UXM, though.

>>149312961
>Uncanny Spider-Man
what was that run all about anyway? why was Nightcrawler running around as Spider-Man?

>>149313279
After Krakoa got fucked Kurt decided to go to NYC for some R&R by dressing up as Spider-Man and fighting crime. While there he also fights Orchis for a bit and hooks up with Silver Sable. I suppose it reads best as the capstone entry in Spurrier's treatment of Kurt through Way of X/Legion of X.

>>149313279
Pretty much. Kurt did at least have the decency to ask if he could larp as Spider-Man before doing it

>>149313426
>Kurt did at least have the decency to ask if he could larp as Spider-Man before doing it
In fairness, not asking for permission is basically declaring you are asking for a fight. Especially with Spidey since he's dealing with evil clone/copycat bullshit nigh constantly.

>>149313390
>capstone entry in Spurrier's treatment of Kurt through Way of X/Legion of X
I heard about Nightcrawler being prominent during the Krakoa era but I never bothered to learn more about them

>>149313447
>but I never bothered to learn more about them
Don't. Mutants have been irrevocably fucked since the multiverse reset and that's in comparison with how fucked they were before then which was already fucked. Frankly it's been all downhill since 1975. The slope's just gotten steeper.

>>149312961
Weird. I thought she was with the Foreigner.

>>149302930 (OP)
ok

>>149311682
He would say that.

>>149312947
cat abs!!! erotic!!!!

>>149303419
Lana squandered being a superhero when she was a teenager to just try and prove you were Superboy.

>>149316051
Imagine that and She-VenoMJ abs. Spidey is so lucky...

>>149311682
>Tom remained silent as the truth hit him

>>149312947
These transformations awakened my bimbofication fetish

>>149311857
Cloak and Dagger weren't really a couple until fairly recently. They just kinda had to hang out with each other

>>149311602
What happens if Tom Holland Spider-Man gets married in a future movie?

>>149316474
nothing because that's never going to happen and very funny that you say that

>>149316474
Don't be silly, you can't marry off children

>>149314427
what the fuck

Spider-man should rape John Jonah Jameson.

>>149317614
Would be funny to actually see Peter react to other Peters getting married while still being Spider-Man.

>>149319358
fuck i'd rather have him stuck in some multiverse shenanigans and realize how badly he fucked up by selling his marriage and daughter than him going cosmic in the next arc so they can over-correct for how stupid Superior was

>>149312206
His name is Wonderman.

Firestar has a better body than MJ

>>149311857
Cloak and dagger are together now? Doesn’t that just ruin their whole dynamic?

>>149320666
friends becoming lovers isn't some weird concept and they were talking about being devoted to eachother since the fucking 90's
its more of a "its about damn time" thing

>>149302930 (OP)
Peter should kill himself and so should all his fans.

>>149322099
this