Thread 149304211

>second-best-selling comic series in history after One Piece
>ZERO cultural impact in America
>fucking ZERO

Explain yourselves, Americans.

>>149304211 (OP)
A story about natives pushing back against the overwhelming influence of a foreign empire wouldn't go well in an America that views its European allies like colonial subjects.

>>149304211 (OP)
I've only read a few albums, and it's mostly just gags and jokes. Not super entertaining.

>>149304211 (OP)
I think Americans are just not that interested in European history, so a comic about Gauls fighting the Romans doesn’t have a lot of appeal to them. Make it about holdout Confederates with a magic potion in the Florida Keys or something and they’d probably love it.

>>149304514
Filtered

>>149304211 (OP)
Loved it growing up but mostly read the UK translation that I could only get when traveling abroad. A few years ago a US publisher (Papermate, I think?) released some of their own translations and they're dogshit. Awkward phrasing and they completely obscure the humor and wordplay that the UK version was able to draw out. That one pirate that's black is given a Jamaican accent for no discernable reason and ends every one of his sentences with "mon."

>>149304543
I'm interested in Gallic/Roman history, but this highly fictionalized gag comic doesn't satisfy that interest.
>>149304555
Well, yeah.

>>149304543
The Bluecoats is even less known in the US, FYI.

>>149304717
That only started being released in English in 2008 and by a UK publisher (where ironically, no-one is very interested in the US civil war).

>>149304211 (OP)
Language barrier is a hell of a drug.

>>149304899
The English translations are actually really good. Or at least the original British ones were, I think they actually re-did them and made them shit.

>Big heap menhir makers stony broke

>>149304481
Thats a good point. Americans see themself as the Romans and the Ghauls would be Indians or Mexicans.
But today you could say Maga were Ghauls and Biden was Cesar.

>>149304928
see
>>149304627

>>149304211 (OP)
>Why doesn't a story about mexicans fighting back against the american empire sell in Trump's america?

>>149304211 (OP)
One Piece doesn't have much impact in America either.

Americans just aren't much into comics. Everything to do with cape comics was always more popular whenever it was adapted for TV or cinema, and other than that newspaper strips (Garfield, Calvin & Hobbes etc) are probably the most relevant culturally.

>>149305048
Shut up tranny

>>149304481
But isn't that comic like decades older than Trump presidency?

>>149304211 (OP)
They're practically not even in the same genre
One Piece is a story while Asterix is like Garfield, it's just newspaper gag strip esque slop

>>149304543

In retrospect, I'm surprised Hanna-Barbera didn't do that. Especially during the Dukes of Hazzard days.

>>149304211 (OP)
>netflix releases a new asterix series this year's thats a 6.5/10
>literally no one talking about it
>literally zero advertising
Schopenhauer proven right eternally

>>149304514
Issues written by Goscinny focused on comedy. Issues written by Uderso focused on comfiness and landscapes.

>>149305806
Beam me up, Scotty.

>>149304899
>Language barrier is a hell of a drug.
Asterix has possibly the best localization of all time. I've read it both in English and German and the way they translate the puns and wordplay is nothing short of masterful.

>>149304211 (OP)
>ZERO cultural impact in America
All this proves is that America isn't the arbiters of global culture they think they are.

>>149306120
In Europe, they're really not. I wish more European comics would be translated into English though. As a britbong, every time I go to France I'm fucking amazed by all the BDs in the bookshops with beautiful art I've never even fucking heard of. Probably I should just make a better effort to learn French, but language learning is time consuming as fuck.

>>149305806
There was a constant thread for a week. Not like what Digital Circus got, but i wouldnt say there wasnt nothing. Just a handfull of Europeans talking about it.

>>149305069
They had Luffy's face on display in Las Vegas. It's significantly bigger in America because it eclipses the comics industry entirely

>>149305069
>one piece doesn't have much impact
It's almost as popular as dragon ball here. Even turbo normies know who Luffy and Zoro are

>>149306364
>>149306377
Both of you are right but Naruto got here and got better treatment.

>>149306396
But Naruto ended and got replaced by a lesser spinoff as far as I can tell. One Piece is still going strong telling the same story because the format's so simple and enjoyable

>>149306445
One Piece is shit now.

>>149307437
One Piece went to shit after Alabastra.
>but--
One Piece went to shit after Alabastra.

>>149307437
>>149307480
You guys are both retarded and belong on the autism board

>>149304211 (OP)
It just seems like one of those things that wouldn't do much for most adults unless they grew up with it. Us Americans didn't. Does it even have any good animated adaptations?

>>149307480
It’s spelled Alabasta, ma’am.

>>149307723
>Does it even have any good animated adaptations?
Only like a dozen. Asterix in America is a classic.

>>149304211 (OP)
Y'know what I like most about the comic? It's presentation, specifically its "destination, not the journey" mindset. They know that two guys with mega strength guaranteed to win doesn't make for the best story, so they're more about building the world. Hell, there's even a few bits of actual history lesson regarding the Gauls and Ceasar's reign.

And considering the duo clears every time, they still manage to make the action and adventure scenes tense. Gladiator, for example, has a great sense of buildup as Asterix and Obelix train for the games and plan Cacofonix' rescue. And when the games finally happen, everything clicks into place and wraps up beautifully with good comedy and one of the better fights in the series.

>>149308026
Ditto
>They know that two guys with mega strength guaranteed to win doesn't make for the best story, so they're more about building the world
>And considering the duo clears every time, they still manage to make the action and adventure scenes tense.
Mainstream Vidya NEEDS to remember this. That's why doom is cool.

>>149308026
Whoops, meant "Journey, not the destination"

>>149305069
>One Piece doesn't have much impact in America either.
>sells better than the entire comic industry, not counting Scholastic
>Macy's Parade
>Vegas Sphere
>live-action Netflix series

>>149305766
They can only interpret stories through the lens of the present. Anything that can be stretched into criticism will be taken as such and rejected vehemently.

>>149305048
This comic has been in publication since Trump was a pre teen and started english translation when he was in his early 20s, long before any career in politics. You Discord trannies think more about Trump then dyed in the wool MAGA cap wearers.

>>149304928
>>149305980
There's so much French regional shit in Asterix I can't begin to fathom how it would be possible to adapt most of it into other languages without losing or warping not just the humor, but all the references, locations etc. I guess the fact it managed to get popular abroad does prove they succeeded in doing so but I still wonder how they went about it. Maybe I should try reading one in English someday

>>149304211 (OP)
What cultural impact did One Piece have?

>>149304211 (OP)
J' ne parle francais.

>>149305806
>>149306256
Can confirm, ironically I think the Dragon rider thread that went up shortly after got a similar treatment
I'm trying to convince my family to watch another of the movies since they liked this one, sadly the one we watched before was the viking one and as someone pointed on the thread, it's less of an Asterix & Obelix movie and more of a movie with them on it

>>149304211 (OP)
Why is Donald Duck never on these lists despite obviously outselling any comic/graphic novel ever made?
Even past its prime in the 2000s it was selling 150 million copies a year

>>149309491
It's not 1:1 of course, but Asterix is incredibly popular in Germany primarily because of Gudrun Penndorf, a philologist who was a trained legal interpreter in both French and Italian. She translated not only Lucky Luke and Asterix, but also roughly 200 Donald Duck comics from Italy. She lived close to the French border and had close ties to France so she was in a unique position to really "get" all the French references and find logical matches that work in German.
Adapting something like Asterix into other languages takes effort and a very specific set of skills, but it worked really really well in the German version, at least.

>>149304899
If a language as different from English as Japanese can be translated and Japanese works become hugely popular in America then surely they can do French.

>>149304211 (OP)
Well you see, the average burger's low IQ means that the clever historical references would fly ight over their heads, and their latent homosexuality and stunted emotional development means would put the kibosh on any chances of them enjoying any comic that isn't about men in skintight suits statically posing at each other with dialogues and plotlines a five year old with Down's would find stupid and embarrassing. Taking those factors into account, it's no wonder Asterix didn't make an impact in the USA.

>>149308026
You're basically describing One Punch Man.

>>149309491
But they successfully do this with manga all the time. Some series are full of really niche local references/jokes/etc that still get translated.

>>149309839
>150 million copies a year

Bullshit. Proof?

>>149310084
What a beautiful Duwang.

>>149305048
what a weird, nonsensical post

>>149309839
magazines are for children

>>149308388
>Still gets eclipsed by DBZ in all regards
Anything else frog?

>>149307619
No one gives a shit about one piece beyond japan or france. It's just a fad because of the netflix show. Let's not get on our high horse.

>>149311827
>Still gets eclipsed by DBZ in all regards
No one was talking about DBZ nor does it have any relevance to the conversation. Also, One Piece outsells it in the US.
Get some help.

>>149311852
>One Piece outsells
Like
Fucking
Clockwork

>>149309839
We are counting albums, not magazines. (Asterix is from Pilote after all).

>>149305766
>thinks american attitudes only started with Trump
Jesus fucking Christ anon...

>>149304211 (OP)
>2nd best selling Belgian comic, only beaten by Tintin
>Unknown outside of the Dutch speaking world
???

>>149312194
>Unknown outside of the Dutch speaking world
Some of it was released in Germany, they then went on to make it capeshit.

>>149311841
It's been a "fad" for decades now you idiot

>>149311899
DBZ's not even his best work, Dr. Slump is

What do French has now, anyway?

>>149304211 (OP)
America, despite its production, is essentially a comics wasteland. Besides capeshit there're pretty much no comics produced and those wo are sell abysmally. Even America's own greatest comic characters, Mickey and Donald, have had their centres of production move to Europe.
Personally, I blame the Comics Code.

>>149305048
If anything the Mexicans would be the romans

>>149305783
Gag a day strips are an art form. I’m sorry you don’t appreciate them.

>>149305783
Asterix has far more in common with One Piece than it does with Garfield

>>149305783
Read an album. The plots are knotty and intricate.

>>149304211 (OP)
I always supported Cesar and imagined stories where he won.

>>149309711
>and as someone pointed on the thread, it's less of an Asterix & Obelix movie and more of a movie with them on it.
It was me and I stand by my statement.

>>149314277
I would like a special where Caesar drinks the potion himself and has a fight with Asterix man-on-man, throwing marble columns like he’s tossing logs.

>>149304211 (OP)
I simply don't care for the comedy genre.
I have never once laughed at anything that's supposed to be comedic, be it a movie, cartoon or a comic. It's the single lamest genre in existence.
t. European.

>>149304211 (OP)
So?

>>149304211 (OP)
We already have Popeye. We don't need Viking Popeye too.

>>149314456
It's okay, anon. You could've been born anywhere and still be an autistic bore.

>>149304211 (OP)
>no racemixing
>no cuckold
>no lgbt
>no politics all the time
>no pretentious "2deep" writing
>no character being cynical and sarcastic all the time
>no le quirky chungus humour
>no constant talks about money
Gee! I wonder why it isn't a success in America...totally must be language barrier.

>>149304211 (OP)
I remember the videogames more here. They were actually pretty decent 3D platformers, even the GBA one was impressive.

>>149304211 (OP)
These Americans are crazy!

>>149309839
>>149311994
I think every Donald Comic is counted as a solo story or 1-shot.
Otherwise how do you count newspaper strips like Dick Tracy?

>>149315188
Asterix and Popeye are nothing alike.

>>149315890
I think he means the fixing with clobbering.
Popeye, Obelix and Hulk should form a team. Its Clobbering time-team!

>>149316021
I like how the team's name is based on The Things' catchphrase, and yet Ben is not part of the team.

>>149304211 (OP)
America does not have a culture that could be impacted.

>>149304211 (OP)
americans are a trash country that feeds itself trash, therefore they produce trashy culture. usa is irrelevant anyway

>>149315890
Adventure comic where a short, violent man is as strong or as weak as the plot requires. To be nothing alike, Asterisk would have to be a funny talking animal with an office job.

>>149316216
America is the world. Every nation that exists does so solely by our consent. So before you go to bed and you point your little rug towards a demonic black box in the desert, don't pray to Allah. Pray thanksgiving to America for the life we allow you to have.

>>149315220
>no politics all the time
The highly unpolitical comic series that had a whole issue about....
*checks notes*
...destroying a community through gentrification.

>>149310095
Disney comics are usually sold as weekly/biweekly magazines, small books, large books, cartoon tie-ins, anthologies, the Don Rosa comics, they make fucking cookbooks even. In dozens of countries. In some European territories like Finland or Italy they are EXTREMELY popular (Don Rosa's comics made it into TV news in Italy and had a prog rock album by the guitarist of Nightwish, a finnish metal band).

I mean consider that a popular comic in the US sells what, 10k, 20k copies? Multiply that with dozens of publications in dozens of countries, some which are sold monthly, some which are weekly, some which are 1000 page best seller books of ten volumes each. Some sell less, some sell a lot more. You can easily get 150 million.

>>149316097
I thought Hulk and Thing are like clones. So he only gives the team name.

>>149314277
Technically, Cesar is winning like it happened in history, the fight of the village is making less and less sense as their families in other villages get more and more romanized.

>>149315890
Both feature a main hero who consumes a power up to become toon force strong, and they travel to distant lands often.

That's about it.

>>149316308
Dont forget pic related.

>>149316343
>Technically, Cesar is winning like it happened in history, the fight of the village is making less and less sense as their families in other villages get more and more romanized.

I always consider the ending of the first movie to be how it would canonically end in real history: the village becomes part of the Roman Empire, but exempt of taxation. So basically nothing changes in their lives.

>>149316360
Forgot the pic.

>>149305783
You never read asterix then, it is also pretty clear that Oda is into franco-belge comics and was inspired by Asterix, Queen is literally just blonde Obelix.

>>149316235
Popeye lives on a peninsula, while Asterix lives in a landlocked village. Spinach, for Popeye, is a personal and unique power source, something only he consumes. While Asterix’s magic potion is shared among his entire village. Their personalities, supporting characters, enemies, storytelling styles, and narrative themes are all distinct from one another.

>>149310084
Badly. They get translated badly.

I wouldn't call underzo underrated artist for obvious reasons but I genuinely love his art so much, very little is said about hos masterful he is at it, he is like toriyama levels

>>149304211 (OP)
We have our own goofy cartoons, our own superheroes, our own historicals. Asterix just has too much competition. And that's just leaving out the political realities that inspired Asterix in the first place, Goscinny's anxieties for France's being caught between Superpowers during the cold war isn't really going to resonate well with the children of one said superpowers.
Unless you're going to tell me it had a pretty good following in Russia.

>>149305069
well they had a collab with the lakers

Are we French now?

I wish One Piece was good.

>>149316464
Stop talking out of your ass, Oda was very upfront about what kind of works inspired One Piece's Nordic themed locations and characters, it was a german-japanese show called Vicky the Viking that Oda watched as a kid.

>>149304211 (OP)
sex with panacea

The brain rot itt is hilarious

>>149318941
He's also inspired by Dragon Ball mostly because it's his favorite and he took a break when Toriyama died. That's why the fan "war" is pretty retarded. All in all One Piece is if Dragon Ball never stopped doing adventure stories

>>149305766
Everything must be viewed through the lens of modern-day politics, and more specifically through the lens of the left-right dichotomy. Everything you love must be converted into propaganda to feed the endless culture war via reboots, remakes, or just revisionism. If one side doesn't get to it first, the other must claim it for its own.

If I had unlimited money and IP access, my ultimate crossover would be Lupin III VS Asterix, where Caesar pulls Lupin and his crew back in time ("summoning the most successful thief across all of Gaul, wherever or whenever they may be!") or something) and promises to send them home in exchange for stealing the magic potion.

>>149316308
>>149316360
>>149316372
Why does Mister Asterix hate that others enjoy the benefits of modern society?

>>149308026
Very good post. I would add that in the end there is always a diplomatic possible too. They slap them and if it isnt a complet villian they fins a diplomatic solution.

>>149320150
Roman society and its consequences have been a disaster for the Gaulish race.

>>149309491
I guess locations and regional things are not a big problem since you dont need to understand those small eastereggs. And some are very good to understand through the drawings. Like Paris or Lucretia is drawn and told in a way you see that they are similar to other capitals or big cities. So you dont need to know how suburbian Paris is.

>>149316525
that TCHAC illustration is to Asterix' what the front cover of Action Comics issue 1 is to Superman

>>149320213
>Well, they should have used the magic potion better!

>>149314436
Sound like Dark Metals fight.

>>149319988
Just have Lupin's great-great-great etc grandfather, Lupix, show up in Asterix' village, trying to steal the potion or something.

>>149320150
He hates hyper capitalism. Thats not modern things but greed of a singular person.

This is one of the best animated movies I've ever seen in my life. The characterization is fantastic, even if you know nothing about Asterix (in fact, it makes a great starting point to get an idea of what the series is about), and the voice acting is incredible. Highly recommended if you've never seen it.

>>149304717
That probably has something to do with Les Tuniques Bleues being rancid garbage. Literally one of the least-appealing BD from Dupuis.

>>149320458
It was mine, I really liked the voices in this one.

france is a weird place where its absolutely as or more zogged than america but somehow its comics remain based

>>149307883
It's fucking dogshit, and proof that Goscinny wasn't always up for good.
Even at the best, it's like two different albums stapled into each other

>>149321913
Most of western Europe never cared much for censorship of the arts in the same way America did with stuff like the Hays Code and the CCA, particularly not after WWII with bad memories of the Nazis and freedom of expression being one of the things that differentiated us from the countries behind the iron curtain.

>>149320150
I wonder how Asterix supports himself. He's not a tradesman like Obelix, Fulliautomtix, and Unhygenix.

>>149320566
>comics remain based
Whoa!

>>149304211 (OP)
I'm hip deep in Roman history material and simply never gave a shit. The Gauls were speedbumps, actual threats or allies variously across the Republic and Empire, and a French gag comic is far less interesting than the actual absurdity of the Romans themselves.

>>149322832
He's a gigolo. All the ladies want his patented moustache cunnilingus.

>>149322832
I get the vibe that the people in the village don't tend to handle a lot of money in general. Asterix probably doesn't have or need a lot of it. Multiple stories show that as clever as he is, he doesn't seem to understand the value of money at all.
Asterix is valuable as a fighter. He's saved their village plenty of times. Maybe the chieftain pays him a salary for his services as a warrior. Or perhaps he grows some kind of crops that he exchanges for other goods with the rest of the villagers. I don't know.

>>149304211 (OP)
Americans decided to latch onto the fucking SMURFS instead.

>>149304514
You say that like there isn't an audience for that specific structure

>>149314054
Finally someone said it.

>>149322832
>>149320150
Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Goscinny, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Asterix had a very republican philosophy: that if the Chief was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Goscinny can say that Vitalstatistix became Chief and reigned henceforth, and he was wise and good. But Goscinny doesn’t ask the question: What was Vitalstatistix’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these Romans? By the end of the war, Caesar controls all of Gallia – except for a single village. Did Vitalstatistix pursue a policy of total resistance and kill them? Even the little baby Romans, in their little roman cradles?

>>149316545
Asterix is about modern absurdities, not about being caught between superpowers.
>Bureaucracy madness and the indifference/stupidity of the public workers manning these places.
>Olympic games which are nothing but a presentation of the most drugged up 20-somethings
>The frivolous nature of tourist shops and the folks running them
etc.

>>149327197
This. It is really a part about goverment who says what you can do or not.

>>149305766
Anon, american imperialism began after the spanish-american war. This isn't something new.

>>149304481
>Americans don't enjoy underdog stories

>>149327363
>american imperialism began after the spanish-american war.
Roses by another name.

>>149322832
>>149324519
What if the villagers just take care of each other and share what they can with everyone part of their community even if they don't have any money?

>>149320458
IDEFIX WOULD NEVER BARK THAT

>>149315220
>>no racemixing
Dunno, caesar and Cleopatra have a kid. somehow a really white and blond one but still

>>149304211 (OP)
Meanwhile, this incinerates both Asterix and One Piece.

>>149328173
I think there is a problem what are the requirements.
Scrooge has no real ongoing series since 1947 till today with the same main artists/writers.

Lucky Luke >>>>>>
it’s true

>>149322832
He's the guy who goes out where-ever romans come up with antoher retarted challenge or kidnap one of villagers. Or when there's problem with making of magic potion etc

I think the theory that Getafix is trying to make him his successor holds some value as well

>>149320458
is the first task blowing his friend?

>>149328540
>Scrooge has no real ongoing series since 1947
*in the USA

>>149327625
>>149324519
Unlike the midget, based Obelix understand venture capitalism and the free market as shown in the best album, Obelix & co.

>>149327625
They seem to use a mixture of money and barter. Pic related is from "Asterix in Spain". Unhygienix sells his fish, but he's also okay with exchanging them for other goods. "Obelix & co." shows that the village isn't entirely isolated from the rest of the Gaulish community and its economy. Traveling salesmen sometimes visit the village and sell their stuff there. That comic and "Mansions of the Gods" also show that the villagers can get greedy about money if they're sufficiently tempted.

>>149320309
I understand, he's an unemployed hippie.

>>149328652
>I think the theory that Getafix is trying to make him his successor holds some value as well
I feel like they're just friends. They're the smartest guys in a village that's filled with short-tempered idiots. They find it easy to connect because of that. But Asterix doesn't appear to know anything about druid mysteries, and Getafix never tries to nudge him towards learning that stuff. He won't let anyone know how the magic potion is made. Not even Asterix, despite the mutual trust they have for one another.
In fact, I wonder what's gonna happen once Getafix eventually dies of old age. It doesn't look like the village has anything planned for that day. The CGI movie where Getafix tries to find an apprentice wasn't my favourite out of the Asterix movies, but I liked that they actually addressed this question there.

>>149330058
>but I liked that they actually addressed this question there.
Me too, but I didn't like that they then diverted the initial problem to "we really don't need a new druid"

On the topic of Asterix's career: I went glancing through Asterix books. When each story begins and the adventure hasn't began yet, most of the time Asterix is portrayed either cleaning up his front yard or returning from a boar hunt. A couple of times, he's peeling potatoes.
Maybe he grows potatoes and barters them for clothes/weapons/etc when needed. He probably doesn't sell boars. The "Cauldron" story showed he doesn't know how much money to ask for them.

>>149330315
Yeah, I didn't like that part either. Also, it was strange to see Asterix being in denial about reality and getting himself in some totally avoidable trouble. He's normally a lot more astute than that.

>>149304211 (OP)
I'm pretty sure they would have had SOME presence if they had a Hanna Barbera show.

>>149330058
I think Getafix is just blackpilled. He has this insanely powerful invention under his belt (In Asterix and the goths he wins adoration of all other druids in Gaul).

I have always thought that thee magic potion isn't as grand as it's made out of. It's almost as if there was some sort of horrifying side effect hiding behind surface.
>Drinking too much of it turns you into stone
>Being submerged in it makes effects permanent
>Everyone in the village is a dense motherfucker with shortest fuse in in celtic history
>Getafix is initially hesitant on making women drink it
>Asterix at the olympic games proves that the potion fixes physical output at exact same level with other people who have drunk the potion
And in Asterix and goths entirety of gothland submerges into infinite civil war after the trio just goeas around for day and make random dudes drink the potion.

>>149327363
>imperialism began after the spanish-american war.
not really.
especially not in regards to the natives

>>149328863
Where does he have an ongoing that is that long and raked in the same numbers for one book?

>>149330783
Don't forget
>If you drink the Getafix's healing elixir and magic potion in short succession, unpredictable side effects will occur (The great divide)
>If you mess around with magic potion ingredients without knowing what you're doing, you'll also get unpredictable end results (The big fight)
It seems like it's a temperamental potion and it's difficult to get it just right.

The movie where Getafix tries to find an apprentice also addressed why the villagers don't simply share the magic potion with all the other Gauls and liberate their homeland from Romans. They fear that sharing the potion across Gaul would be much like opening Pandora's box. If the potion was shared, it would be far more easy for bad actors to obtain it and abuse it.

Getafix doesn't seem openly pessimistic to me. However, he has acknowledged that time changes and things don't stay the same. He seems to privately believe that the village will inevitably succumb some day in the future, whether it's to Rome or some future trouble.

>>149329594
I looked it up that ghauls used money since 300BC.
But i guess there was always trading of goods normal since not everyone had that many coins. But goods to trade directly.

>>149322832
He hunts boars? But like someone mentioned he is a soldier of this village. He is getting paid by the tax the villagers pay.

>>149331805
What is the village's tax-policy?

>>149331843
No taxes.

>>149328652
>>149330058
I agree, Asterix dont show any potion knowledge. I alwas think that he us the friend who became the Guard for Getafic.

>Getafix is initially hesitant on making women drink it
Probably a pregnancy thing.

>>149331843
You provide two portions of meat and one cauldron of vegetables/wheat a week per head.

>>149331942
Another theory was that it's Cacofonix who knows the back-up for Getafix.
Bards were often loremasters in celtic world, and the villagers go to ends of earth to rescue him - despite the fact that he isn't that well-liked

>>149304211 (OP)
Americans would find the fat guy offensive

>>149331691
My theory is that Getafix has them trapped in a time loop.

>>149332384
I'm sure Coronavirus has killed some Gauls recently.

>>149333895
Isn't that what happened in that Superman vs Obelix comic?

>>149322832
I'm pretty sure his job is literally "warrior". Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from him and the chief no one is walking around with a sword in the village? And he regularly goes on patrol or scouts the Romans to see what they're up to. Or acts as an escort to other Gauls.

>>149332384
That makes more sense. Bards and druids are very important to the village life.

>>149330804
It's unquestionably when it started, it's when the US started ruling overseas territories and waggling its dick all over europe.
Securing your own contiguous land border isn't imperialism, it's a requirement for any functioning state.

>>149334328
>It's unquestionably when it started, it's when the US started ruling overseas territories and waggling its dick all over europe.
Bruv, the US is a continental Empire. Same as Russia and China. Them starting to grab territory across some body of water didn't change the fundamental nature of the nation.

>>149334641
Kek, fuck off. If the US is a continental empire then so is friggin Australia.
The population absorbed by the US stretching its way from east to west was less than a single percent of the settler population, it didn't govern over a multitude of distinct nations like either Russia or China did/do.
So I repeat. The US did not start imperialism until it started to rule overseas territories, that's when it started dicking around with proxy wars and functional satrapies

>>149304211 (OP)
they arent fans of other stories

>>149334996
False.

>>149330315
They left the possibility of Pectine open, but that was it.

>>149304211 (OP)
Do you honestly think the average American knows what a "Gaul" is?

bump

Here in France, Asterix is still popular. There is regularly (every 3-5 years) a live-action or animated film released and they attract several million viewers.
But for the older albums, the references are "dated." For example, some characters are inspired by actors from the time the album was written, so 50 years ago.
What child today knows Lino Ventura?

>>149336367
You've got some Gaul to assume so.

>>149304211 (OP)
It theoretically should have appealed to me (comedy + ancient history), but it just never did... other than the...12 labours? I often watched that shit around thanksgiving for some reason.

>>149338383
boo

>>149304211 (OP)
Uderzo opposed marketing it in anglophone countries, especially the US. His publishers did it anyway but his dragging his feet against it couldn't have helped.

>>149315220
>no politics all the time
It's full of politics all the time, they just go way over your american head

What American cartoons do French people watch and love?

>>149340467
Ninjago is big in France, if you count that as American.

>>149340467
Paw Patrol, Spongebob and coloful horses. Shit like AT, Amphibia, Shera or owl houses are niche at best.
French channels tend to air mostly French shows so you will get infinite reruns of Miraculous and totally spies in the middle of those hundreds of yearly preschool shows with little kids with mascots in semi urban areas all having 24 episodes of the same fucking tropes stories.

>>149337436
In Germany noone knows who that is. Still it was popular there.
Those references are not important for thevstory.

>>149339485
Asterix is rather low merchandized. If you look at all the Manga and Anime stuff. Or even the Smurf stuff. Asterix is rather underutelised in merch. Or at least they could have gone with a more aggressive way.

>>149340659
MeTV Toons does need to make the jump to Europe.

>>149340467
>the french outro of Adventure Time

>>149340759
Isn’t there a whole Asterix theme park?

>>149327363
>>149334328
Even if we were to accept that manifest destiny, etc. all the fucking over of the natives was not imperialist and simply "securing your own contiguous land border", which I don't, I'd say it begins earlier than that. How about the coup and annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii for US business interests? Or even earlier, the Barbary Wars, the beginning of US interventionism in the Middle East, in the early 19th century?

>>149336324
I don't like it either, she appears at the beginning, she becomes almost a background character, she doesn't do any druid things and then they entrust her with the secret of the magical position.

>>149334957
>it didn't govern over a multitude of distinct nations like either Russia or China did/do.

>>149305766
You are the perfect example of most American discourse online right now

>>149318941
Yeah sure because he can only be inspired by one thing and nothing else. Worthless weeb.

>>149341318
That doesn't count, shut up.

>>149310095
Not that anon, but the Dutch weekly had a circulation of 200000. Multiple that by the number of weeks in a year, and it is about 10 million.
Throw in a bunch more countries and 150 isn't that far-fetched.
There also the monthlies and the specials.

>>149340467
idk about american but the french seem to fucking love grendizer

>>149304211 (OP)
Author is Jewish and made it because of his Jewish hateboner for Romans

>>149342927
Shut up tard

>>149314054
So chuds FINALLY admit we latinx are descendants of the romans. Thanks.

>>149340467
they tend to really like adult swim shows, same with the germans

>>149343296
Oy vey!

>>149340829
Yes. You have a point there. But i dont see that as merch. Probably they have merch in their theme park shops?

>>149344572
Kek

>>149344572
She has a point. Thats why you leave a note for the doorstep to know what to do with the baby.

>>149304211 (OP)
jeez, I don't know

>>149343010
What's with this Latinx nonsense? It makes you sound like Chicano.

>>149345695
>make a funny reference to a popular series
>forget who your audience is
Common problem.

>>149345695
The Gaul
The Gaul
THE GAUL!!!!

>>149304211 (OP)
Between 49 and 50 BC, Unit 732, under Dr. Panoramix's rule in Northern Armorica, was home to criminal human experiments leading to the developement of the magic potion.

Roman POW interned in this camp were subjected to the forced ingestion of various chemical substances.
The goal was to observe and record the effects on the human body.

Among the most disturbing cases:
>Third-degree internal burns
>Deterioration of the digestive system
>Profound alteration of metabolism
>Disruption of the nervous system causing uncontrollable spasms
>Phenomenal acceleration of the heart rate
>Exponential body overheating
>Destruction of organic tissue
>Vivid decomposition
>Hallucinations
>Swelling of all limbs
>Aggravated weight loss

The experiments were only discovered after Liberation, with the capture of the village. Unit 732 authorities attempted to destroy all évidence of their crimes against mankind, yet some video archives still survive, albeit deteriorated by time.

They were featured in two feature films: MEN BEHIND THE BOAR and PHILOSOPHY OF A GOURD.

These images may hurt most sensitive audiences; you have been warned:
https://youtu.be/iP1BeYFdUeA?t=47

>>149345695
If people can't enjoy pirates getting beaten up, then they have no taste.

>>149343010
>>149345841
Latinx sounds like something romans would have built in Egypt

Bump

This thread is still going? Interesting
When was Asterix first published in the United States? If it wasn't easily accessible pre-internet nobody's gonna be able to read it in the US. I haven't heard of it being published in Gold Key or Charlton (which would have probably been the most likely place it would have been published)
Outside of the comics itself, were there cartoons that could have introduced the characters to American audiences? Even TinTin had some of his cartoons aired in the US, obviously Smurfs and Snorks had very successful cartoons in the 80s

>>149316602
Why do they only collab with shity LA teams

>>149349870
They published three albums in the US in 1970, but as hardback collections that were marketed as educational comics. It did not do well. Not having learned their lesson they tried again marketing them as an educational comic in 1977 (as a tie in for National Geographic subscribers this time), but again it went mostly unnoticed. There was a very limited attempt immediately after that to get the daily strips into US newspapers but it was barely picked up and lasted less than a year. After that I think there was an attempt by the UK publisher to market their version in the US in the '80s but they changed a lot of stuff for the US releases for some reason and again it went mostly unnoticed.

>>149350588
It's hard to get anything historical into the American brain. They just don't have much going on upstairs. Never have.

>>149309909
>well regarded German translation done by a woman
>well regarded English translation done by a woman
What is it about Asterix that women just seem to get? Is it the natural sexual appeal and idealized manhood of Obelix?

>>149351627
It regularly showcases the silliness and shortcomings of machismo and masculinity; while the magic potion does make everyone physically imposing and invincible, the solutions to their problems usually still always come from brains, insight and understanding rather than brawn, which falls short or is a last resort even with the infinite supply.

The magic potion is also gender neutral and makes everyone equally powerful.

>>149307723
Asterix and the Vikings looks amazing

>>149351627
Part of Anthea Bell's process that really helped it work too is that she very much understood who she was aiming at and she collaborated with many people on them. She workshopped jokes with her son and his friends, Goscinny was fluent in English and read through all the translations and offered suggestions and clarifications here and there, and after he died the translations were also sent out to a Paris-based agency where a particular English woman living in Paris would also offer suggestions.

>>149353633
Incidentally, some of Bell's thoughts on why Asterix never took off in the US:

>A.B. Yes, indeed – but more influential, to my mind, is the European tradition of humor. Hence the broad popular appeal of the Asterix series all over Europe, and in some other parts of the English-speaking world, e.g. South Africa and Australasia. My American friends protest that they and their kids love Asterix, but my American friends tend to be teachers, academics, publishers, translators, not such a broad spectrum of the population. I see two possible reasons: first, the French and the British have many centuries of history behind them, and both enjoy the humor of anachronism. North America doesn’t have so much recorded history to laugh at. Second, I don’t think that irony is as prevalent in US books for young people. I translate a good deal for the States, and in the case of children’s fiction I’ve often been asked by worried editors whether a phrase is sarcastic, whereas the sarcasm would be obvious in Europe. The Asterix series has a strong vein of irony.

>>149353668
>I translate a good deal for the States, and in the case of children’s fiction I’ve often been asked by worried editors whether a phrase is sarcastic, whereas the sarcasm would be obvious in Europe.
Fucking kek. Still a problem today. Maybe it's not autism, maybe it's just Americans.

>>149307723
A lot of them are good, but the best movie is The Twelve Tasks of Asterix, where they have to cross a lake without getting horny or get a permit in a highly bureaucratic building without going insane.

>>149344572
I don’t get it?

>>149354033
For me, it was the German judo guy.

>>149354082
People might think that it was Asterix who knocked up the mother of the baby.

>>149351627
It is very common? Women have a good storytelling gen too.
Donald Duck and other Disney comics were translated by Erike Fuchs, a women too. They are seen as the best German Duck translations!

>>149304211 (OP)
>Explain yourselves, Americans.
Why is it always the Americans that have to explain themselves?
Why are there so many Muslims on Europe right now? Can you explain that, France?

>>149343501
he's actually a far right politic iirc

>>149354981
Is he the kind of conservative "Roman" that insist the Senate must send more denarii to Masada?

But what about good cleopatra's nose?

>>149324519
>The Cauldron
This one gets my vote for funniest Asterix album. Holy shit do I love it.

>>149345695
Why couldn't they just change the lips for localization?
He seem pretty normal here.

>>149355485
It's not my personal favorite but it does have some funny sequences. I like the bank heist in particular. The guard being insightful enough to realize what Obelix is doing but then blabbing everything anyway; Obelix failing to use this information which means they're forced to do a 24/7 hour watch on the bank; and finally Asterix's plan being too complex for Obelix so they simply bust their way into the bank and render all their espionage pointless. (also, Idefix is annoyed that he doesn't get to enjoy his bone)

>>149328781
Based reading comprehension lacking retard

>>149356343
>the bank heist
Good one to stick in your mind, it shows that they can't do what they usually do and smack this problem away. And I think each and every one of their failed schemes are pure gold (heh). You see Asterix and Obelix completely out of depth and frustrated through the story, way more than any other time, and the climax is pretty awesome with Asterix sword-fighting with that weasely dude, which so rarely happens. On top of being top tier for comedy I always felt it's one of their biggest tests, it's such a great story. Also lo and behold, pic related, in my opinion, the best punchline in the whole series. I can't even think about it without snickering. I will not fault anyone for liking others like Legionary or Cleopatra better but this adventure is just pure gold, always been my personal favorite.

>>149356588
Translation please? I don't speak surrender.

>>149356851
Non, allez lire l'original, vous l'apprécierez beaucoup plus :') God my French is super rusty and bad too and I'm not gonna just spoil the joke, seriously just go read the thing, thank me later.

>>149356588
The fact they get so frustrated is probably why it's not among my favorite stories despite many of the individual scenes and gags being great stuff. I just feel bad for Asterix and Obelix when their desperation reaches a point where they get reduced to tears.

Another scheme that I found funny was when they went to the Romans and triggered a misunderstanding about the money. I like the lone Roman who suggests that maybe they should calmly talk about how to do the whole payment thing, and how outraged the guy behind him is that the weirdo would even consider paying.
Also, I love Uderzo's art skills. These guys in pic related look consistent, unique and recognisable in all the panels despite being disposable background character designs that will not be needed beyond this one scene.

>>149356851
If you don't recognise those panels on sight, there's no point. It's an abridged version that cuts out the context of the joke.

>>149356980
>These guys in pic related look consistent, unique and recognisable in all the panels despite being disposable background character designs that will not be needed beyond this one scene
This is such a humongous strength of these comics and others like Lucky Luke too, so many random one-page or even one-gag characters end up being super memorable thanks to it. Just god tier character design all around.

Give me the French special.

>>149307723
The recent Netflix miniseries is pretty good.

>>149356980
>I just feel bad for Asterix and Obelix when their desperation reaches a point where they get reduced to tears.
Well you should feel better for the fact they stick together and get out of it themselves in the end. The fact it's so unusual for Asterix is what really sells that moment though, it turns really wholesome anyways and it's so satisfying to see Asterix crack the case and outsmart Whosemoralsaretix's ruse.

>>149358120
The what?

>>149304481
>>149305048
>>149327363

Goes further back than Trump's modern day immigrant gestapo force. This country was raised on Cowboys vs Indians and it doesn't give a fuck about its original people.

>>149304211 (OP)
because it's based around historical humor and America, for good or ill - and it does have its upsides and downsides - is where people go to escape history

>>149304543
nobody would like that either

>>149350588
I know there were UK editions published in novel size. I think the panels were in black and white and adjusted to the size of the pages.

>>149359408
Perhaps in the 1800s, nowadays most people are just born in America, they don't go there.

>>149359613
A fuckton of people immigrate to this country every year anon, even in the midst of the current backlash, which will not last and will in fact probably end up resulting in an accelerating pace of immigrants in the future as public opinion inevitably turns

>>149327197
>Bureaucracy madness and the indifference/stupidity of the public workers manning these places.
How do you know Asterix is ridiculously popular in Poland? Witcher 3 ripped off that sequence in one of the sidequests.
But no, seriously, Asterix is ridiculously popular in Poland.

>>149344572
Best gag with his character lmao. Love the bard being involved too.

>>149359188
Is that a phone?

>>149327756
Probably because Cleopatra was white, nigger.

>>149361453
canonly not the case in these books, ironically enough, showing you to be a tourist here

>>149345695

i had some asterix comics i was little but i wasnt familiar with stereotypes of black people yet so anytime i saw those lips i just assumed it meant they were women

>>149362488
Black guys have very kissable lips to be fair

>>149327392
Well, if you mean in reference to the American Revolution, t hey weren't the underdogs. Ignoring that the British were a minor power at best at the time of the revolution, the American's had the two biggest empires on the planet on their side (Spain and France) with the Dutch also on their side (equal in strength with the Brits) as well as the Poles and Mysorian Kingdom. Ignoring also that the Continental Army outnumbered the British army at its height GLOBALLY, the French and Spanish contributed 70,000-100,000 troops to the Americans, including 10,000 directly involved in fighting North America.

The Americans were not the underdogs in the war.

>>149304211 (OP)
I mean One Piece basically had zero cultural impact before Covid. America is just like that sometimes.

>>149362703
Not as much as Sazae-San, Luffy was in Turning Red where Mei ships herself with Luffy but thats it.

>>149304211 (OP)
It's boring.

>>149363338
Influential or not, Sazae-San is totally forgotten compared to characters like Laura Haruna

>>149363352
Sazae-San still gets over 6 million views on TV, but thats because the latest episodes are not on streaming (only a handful of episodes from 1969-1972 are up on Amazon Prime Japan) as if they were the TV ratings will plumet like a rock.
At lease Laura Haruna is getting streamed on Abema and soon Amazon Prime Japan so theres hope that normie anime will soon be the norm again.

>>149362703
what in the world are you talking about

>>149363721
I mean in the context of America. For the most part unless you were a big anime guy One Piece really wasn't that big in the States.

>>149355123
I like how pointy their are.

>>149362640
>minor power
>globe-spanning mercantilist empire
>largest, most powerful navy in the world
>best trained, best equipped army in the world
>had just beaten the French and Spanish, in the 7 years war

>>149356851
>these romans are crazy
NANIIII

>>149304211 (OP)
We already have a very strong tradition of cartoon and comics that was filled importing this stuff from Europe was pointless, I don't think many Europeans realize how little your average American thinks or cares bout Europe at all.

>>149304211 (OP)
Like how Peanuts has zero cultural impact in Europe.

>>149304211 (OP)
Asterix is a nationalist franchise.

>>149364349
Euroshitters will refuse to acknowledge anything America does but then seethe when Americans don't care about them back. The difference of course is that Americans care so little about what Euroshitters do, they don't even notice if they do anything at all.

>>149364442
Nah I think there is plenty of cross-pollination of cultural stuff, particularly between English speaking countries.
Americans don't care about Asterix and soccer while Europeans don't care about Peanuts and baseball
And thats fine? Like who cares

>>149304211 (OP)
>Started publishing in 1959
The series has been ongoing for at least five times Longer than the actual Gallic Wars

>>149363737
That's still the case.

>>149364568
If you read Asterix you'd know the Gallic wars are long over. All that remains as a holdout is Asterix's village.

>>149364580
Basically every Asterix comic starts out with this map. Them being total underdogs against an overwhelming imperialist force is part of the charm.

>>149364568
It's just policing bro.

>>149364458
>while Europeans don't care about Peanuts
Calving&Hobbes, Garfield and Peanuts used to be popular pretty much everywhere.

The World Series always was cope though and only kids and tiny asians play baseball.

>Thank you BigPharma
>My name is Metadata
If this is a joke then I don't get it.

>>149320298
>>149314436
But then Lupin can't defeat Caesar, who's learned all of the military and fighting powers of Rome and Gaul and military to come, as is so wholly powerful in body, with the secret power of Japan that no potion or brilliant mind could anticipate
KANCHOOOOOOOOO~

And since it sends Caesar bowled over howling in pain as the potion fades, he orders the day stricken from the history books to save his reputation, and so the timeline is saved

>>149304211 (OP)
>ZERO cultural impact in America
Why does Monica and Friends, one of the most popular Brazilian comics, have no cultural impact in Europe?

Because they were made for different audiences. Americans mostly consume American media, while Europeans mostly consume European media. There are probably lots of American comics/media that Europeans are not aware of.

>>149364738
>Garfield
Yes
>Calving&Hobbes
Debateable
>Peanuts
No.
The likeness of Snoopy is used here and there but few actually know where he's from and they certainly haven't read the originals or watched any of the animations.

>>149364842
Blame the localizers

>>149364907
>while Europeans mostly consume European media
About 50% of it is imported, actually. Probably a major source of revenue for the US.

>>149364349
>>149364927
The UK is kinda different to both continental Europe and America, but Peanuts is definitely big here. But then so is Asterix and Tintin. And Moomins.

>>149364933
>>149364842

The English translations annoy the hell out of me
There's
Asterix - Asterisk, little star (he's a manlet and he's the star of the franchise)
Obelix - Obelisk, obviously, he's big and dumb like a giant rock

That's all well and good, they didn't butcher these.

Now we're getting to the translations
Panoramix - He's a seer, hence panoramic, with a wide view
In English he becomes: Getafix. Get it, cause he makes potions, like drugs lmao. lol weed.

Idefix, the dog - a pun on "idée fixe" which means obsessive, neurotic, because he's an energetic little dog
In English: Dogmatix. Get it? He's a dog. Hence his name has dog in it. much funny, very good.

Abraracourcix, the chieftain - a pun on the idiom "à bras raccourcis" which means "with full force" - he's fiery and combative
In English he is: Vitalstatistix. I honestly don't get it either.

The list goes on.

>>149359188
kek

>>149365000
>Idefix, the dog - a pun on "idée fixe" which means obsessive, neurotic, because he's an energetic little dog
>In English: Dogmatix. Get it? He's a dog. Hence his name has dog in it. much funny, very good.
Uh, Anon? Dogmatix is both a play on “dog” and “dogmatic” which kinda means the same as the French. And some of the French terms are very difficult to give a meaning that ends in “ic/ix” in English. I agree there was no real reason to change Panoramix though.

>>149365017
>Dogmatix is both a play on “dog” and “dogmatic”
Well obviously, but it's so trite and on the nose to have a dog named something with "dog" in it. They might as well have gone for Neurotix or Anklebitix (that sucks but you know what im getting at)

>>149365000
Isn't the fish guy unironically called Unhygienix or something in english?

Always bet on Peter Pan.

>manlet
>bald
>never has female company
>still a total chad
How does he do it bros

>>149365141
The magic of confidence and not giving a fuck.

>>149365141
Dude doesn't need women, women need him

>>149304211 (OP)
the one in suisse is absolute kino in several levels.

Which film is the best and why is it The Twelve Tasks

>>149365283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAZ65lZ6KU
For me it's Asterix and Cleopatra

>>149365264
God I love European comics. Why did my country get the capeshit end of the stick?

>>149365325
Conservatism.

>>149365105
Yes, and the blacksmith he constantly quarrels with is Fullyautomatix.

>>149364349
The fuck you mean, Peanuts was always a big seller in Europe, everyone knows it

>>149359747
I wonder how popular Asterix is through Europe?

>>149366412
>Miraculix
And people think the English is bad, that sounds like a fucking Winx Club power.

>>149364927
My mum watched Peanuts on German TV when she was a kid in the 70s, and had book format editions of the strip, but I'm not sure if she had the actual strip in the papers at that time.

>>149365000
Come on, anon, loads of the French names are just funny puns that have nothing to do with the characters themselves. What does comprehensive assurance have to do with a bard? Why would roman camps be called Rum Baba, or little gentleman? Dogmatix is an excellent pun and G&U would have loved it, I'm sure. In fact, they didn't even come up with idefix, it was suggested by readers in a competition in Pilote.

>>149365105
In French, he is Ordralfabetix, alphabetical order.

>>149365943
And he's Cetautomatix. It's automatic.

Fun fact I suppose everyone knows but in any case:
"These romans are crazy" in italian is
Sono
Pazzi
Questi
Romani

SPQR

>>149366412
The Hungarian version was popular even before it came to Hungary. The comics first got translated in Hungarian-speaking regions outside the border, then some of these got smuggled into the country. About a decade later, publishers realized this shit was popular and began printing the comic officially in the late 70s.
The localization is all over the place though. It ranges from lazy literal translations that butcher the jokes to complete reinventions that rewrite the dialogue to add more humor. Some of the comics, movies and cartoons use the French names, others use the English names or just make up their own with little regard for consistency. So That map is wrong, most Hungarian publications and dubs keep the name Panoramix. But sometimes he's called Getafix, Magicoturmix, Csodapapix, Csodaturmix, or just Turmix.

>>149365121
Ruined by the twist.

>>149369468
which one?

>>149364933
Then what the hell is the joke supposed to be?

>>149366447
It sounds like a noodle convinience product!

Americans are allergic to ancient history.

>>149368129
What a weird history. I wonder if they got an official license or just printed it because iron curtain.

>>149364907
>There are probably lots of American comics/media that Europeans are not aware of.
Not likely. Americans broadcast their media to the world very aggressively. Your assertion that most people don't consume American media is completely wrong. American media is so pervasive that many countries have to enact state-sponsored art programs to counteract its influence. Even Canada does this.