Thread 149314976

Was Peter a chud?

He's a chud power fantasy character.

>>149314976 (OP)
He was at first, but he learned the error of his ways so now he isn't. Most chuds never learn anything.

>>149314976 (OP)
No, the thoughts don't define chudhood. The pathetic lack of agency to act them out in any capacity does.

>>149314976 (OP)
Yes. He was a mix insecure and arrogant.

>>149314976 (OP)
When ditko's writing got through Stan lee

>>149314976 (OP)
>G'wan
Old writing was funny.

>>149314976 (OP)
His uncle/father figure was murdered, his aunt/mother figure was constantly in dire straits, any success at his part time job was demeaning for his alter ego, who thanklessly spent time in violent brawls with psychopaths to keep clueless fuckwits safe.

There's no chud, incel or whatever worthless neologism who goes through a tenth of what Peter put up with.

>>149314976 (OP)
>One of these days you'll go too far
He certainly will.

>>149315021
You don’t know what a chud means

>>149314976 (OP)
Peter's a cornball

>>149315161
Does /co/ like agent venom?

>>149315914
The only issue with Agent Venom to me is that his run introduces all the bullshit around Knull and the extremely bad symbiotie lore

>>149315914
Not really.

>>149315914
I mean he looks cool

>>149315914
I didn't read all of it but I liked what I saw that lead into the Circle of Four team up.

>>149315914
>Remender
Great
>Bunn
Fine
>Bendis
Bendis
>Thompson
Clear attempt to redeem things, passable but still eh

>>149314976 (OP)
hes not a chud

Nah. He had some superficial similarities to one, but an actual chud who got his powers would do things that would make the self-proclaimed "supreme gentleman" look tame in comparison.

>>149314976 (OP)
When spiderman loses his, patience, the devil shivers...

>>149314976 (OP)
I want at least one Spider-Man adaptation with the Ditko version. Bitter incel Peter Parker would be so entertaining

>>149318237
Will never happen because it's not marketable.

>>149314976 (OP)
What's a chud?

>>149314976 (OP)
Yes, until Stan Lee ruined him.

>>149314976 (OP)
>some guy plainly insulting another
>not even playful banter, literally tess Parker to get lost
>but's he's the popular kid so you are the chud if you hate him!
What's your problem OP?

>>149319850
Easy replies.

>>149315914
It took flash out of peters supporting cast and then just has him be nothing outside of a guest d lister. So no

>>149319850
It is a chud quality to be unusually vindictive and against the standard social hierarchy yes.

>>149315914
Original run is good, but it started the trend of giving Peter's supporting cast super powers/symbiotes and shipping them off to other books and I'm sick of that shit

>>149315914
His design looks cool I guess.

>>149315914
To a 14 year old me Agent Venom was the coolest thing ever. Now not so much.

>>149314976 (OP)
Peter was literally a school shooter in the making before he got bit, probably courtesy of Ditko smearing his Randian Libertarian incel energy on everything.

>>149314976 (OP)
He's gotten better

>>149321881
Modern writers salty that Steve Ditko wasn't a pinko commie who believed in subjective morality

>>149321881
Peter kind of is a new John Galt. He likes to talk a lot and he invents crazy shit like Galt's free energy generator that his whole endeavour rests on, just like Peter's superhero persona rests on his fantastical webshooters. Except instead of inventing free energy and immediately retreating from the world like a retard Peter would invent free energy and improve the world with it. Or at least make a company to sell the generators and fund his crime fighting. Instead of using it to just power a small valley where he's planning to till the soil with CEOS, bankers and opera singers.

>>149315914
We got Mania out of it, and Marvel has thankfully forgotten about her before they could turn her into a man-hating gash licker.

>>149314976 (OP)
What is a chud?

>>149321966
A slur.

>>149321966
Chabbadist Hebrew underground dwellers

>>149321966
me

>>149321881
>this writing
Don't pretend they are better than those who go with the platitude "If you’re not a communist at the age of 20, you don't have a heart, if you’re still a communist at the age of 30, you don't have a brain”

>>149315104
just like you're a mix of retard and ESL

>>149315161
>>149315914
I like his Revoltech figure

>>149314976 (OP)
Nah, that's him neong pathetic. The whole point is to grow out of it.

Calling Peter a chud is calling Ditko a chud and Ditko was no fucking chud.

>>149314976 (OP)
does being upset at someone who consistently insults and bullies you make you a chud? He's not even that vindictive because he has the power to strike back at him but chooses not to

>>149314976 (OP)
>Peter constantly talks about how he can't fight Flash because he's just too strong and would kill him in one punch!
>Dresses up as a spider and punches criminals all night, without issue.
I think he was just scared of Flash. Prime chud material who thinks he's tougher than he is.

>>149315931
That wasn't Agent Venom. Agent Venom under Bendis tried to make the symbiotes into chaotic good Green Lantern rip-offs. Knull wouldn't be a thing until Cates' run.

>>149315914
No. It's stupid that modern writers have to take old characters and try to turn them into supers. When I found out what happens to Liz Allen I was disgusted.

Heroes need supporting characters that are just supporting characters. They add life and vibrancy to their world. Now, look what's happened. Pete doesn't have Jonah, Joe, Betty, Ned Leeds, Flash, Liz, Aunt May, or even MJ, Gwen, or Harry and instead he's surrounded by literal who nobodies that no one likes and require all kinds of retcons and hoop-jumping to squeeze into his story. Who is his ethnic "girlfriend"? I don't know and don't care. Who is the weird guy he works for that's supposed to be his childhood friend? I don't know or care. Who is the black guy and that drunk blonde girl? Again, I don't know or care (ok, the blonde girl maybe, but seriously I would much rather see him talking to his ACTUAL cast of characters.)

They provide a warmth and familiarity. Whenever I see Commissioner Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Alfred, JJJ, Flash Thompson, etc I get a feeling almost like seeing an old friend even if it's to laugh at their antics. If I wanted to meet a new cast of characters I'd read a new series.

>>149314976 (OP)
People who say Peter was a chud haven't actually read the old comics and are just going off of things they've inferred based on the time period, random screenshots, and things they've heard other people say.

Peter was just a regular guy who mostly kept to himself and prioritized his family and passions over socializing, though he did make an effort to socialize from time to time. In his debut he shows a lack of character in that he immediately decides "I'm looking out for Number 1, and my Aunt and Uncle since they raised me, but everyone else can shove it!" but honestly, most people get to be like that in his position. There are countless examples of people getting an unexpected windfall and deciding everyone else can "shove it" except for maybe their Mom who they buy a house for or pay off their mortgage. It really gets situational but most people tend to just take care of themselves and their families rather than try to "save the world" and even if given superpowers not everyone would spend their free time being a volunteer vigilante 24/7. Heck, Pete actually tries to give up being Spider-Man in the first issue, but he can't get a job anywhere because no one is hiring under-18's so he's forced to fight crimes as Spider-Man just so he can take pictures of himself to sell to the papers, which is his main motivator across the first 1-2 years of his runs as he gradually falls into the habit of being Spider-Man and begins feeling responsible for the villains he puts away. Even still, when he hears Aunt May had a heart attack he leaves a fight with the Green Goblin and stays M.I.A. for over two weeks to nurse her back to health which causes most of the other NYC heroes to think he's a louse for not prioritizing stopping the bad guys (though, he refuses to justify himself to them and explain what happened.)

All this aside, though. It's incorrect to say that Pete was a complete loner who didn't have friends.

>>149325355
For example, the girls in the OP panel? Liz Allen agrees to go out with Peter before he manages to impress her at all with the changes he gets from being Spider-Man because she actually does think he's good looking and appreciates his smarts and actually has an interest in higher learning herself (there's a scene in one issue where Liz is on a date with Flash at a Museum and Flash is looking for any reason to leave but Liz tells him to shut it because she wants to sit through a lecture on Paleontology.) and eventually when Peter manages to show off that he can be macho sometimes, Liz forgets all about Flash and starts pursuing Peter instead, even starting an oft-forgotten love triangle between her and Betty Brant that was far more catty and aggressive than anything MJ and Gwen ever had until they run into MJ at Aunt May's house when she's still trying to set Peter up with her and MJ's good looks scare them both off.

And that other girl even hints to Peter that she wants him to ask her out in the issue where the Human Torch gives a speech at their school.

In addition, while Flash is often an ass to Pete it's more school boy butting of heads than anything. Flash invites Peter to hangout with them multiple times, though he often has to run out in the middle or cancel because of Spider-Man business, and when Flash gets mistakenly kidnapped by Dr. Doom the whole gang runs to Peter for help because they figure his smarts will help them solve the issue. And when Peter is trying to get himself kidnapped by a villian so he find his secret lair Flash pulls him aside and gives him a talking to about putting himself in danger because he's worried about him, as well as another time when Peter almost gets expelled because he finally does haul back and clock Flash for mouthing off to him Flash goes to have a talk with the Principal and tells him the whole thing was his fault because he doesn't want Peter to get expelled and mess up his college plans.

>>149325080
That's because he was both worried that Flash would make him too angry to properly control his strength and because he was worried that they might start to suspect he was Spider-Man if they found out how unexpectedly strong he was.

Not only is this explicitly stated multiple times, but in Amazing Spider-Man # 8 Flash actually does push him too far and they have a boxing match in the middle of school (sanctioned by the gym coach because people weren't pussies in the 60's) and Pete cleans his clock. Also in ASM # 30 Pete runs into Liz Allen who still has the hots for him and asks him if he can get Flash Thompson to stop following her because she doesn't want him to know where she works and to start coming around trying to bother her (more Chud-like than anything Peter does) and while talking to him Pete notices the Cat Burglar he's been after breaking into a building so he just cold cocks Flash and knocks him out, then when he comes back he shakes him awake and convinces him he didn't knock him out and he was just imagining things.

>>149322849
The saying actually is liberal, not communist. Minor distinction, but worth noting.

>>149322849
I would say that it's worse than that platitude, yes.

>>149315115
Character growth. You need to grow past your Ditko to reach your Romita

>>149314976 (OP)
Now they just make Peter a pathetic Deku tier soft boy with absolutely zero bite to him.

Spider-Chud, Spider-Chud,
Nothing ever happens bud
Ben has fallen, say goodbye
Billions, they must die
Look Out!
Here comes the Spider-Chud

>>149325460
>while talking to him Pete notices the Cat Burglar he's been after breaking into a building so he just cold cocks Flash and knocks him out, then when he comes back he shakes him awake and convinces him he didn't knock him out and he was just imagining things.
Gaslighting skills 100

Why doesn't anyone of the people looking at him notice that half his head morphed into a spiderman mask?

>>149315161
Can't Venom make his own tendrils hard and sharp? What's the point of using a bunch of kitchen utensils which probably aren't all that sharp?

>>149314976 (OP)
Or was Flash Thompson suffering from feelings of inadequacy exacerbated by his own stupidity and Peter's brilliance, forcing him to lash out in order to assuage those feelings?

>>149318736
Shut up tranny

>>149315931
Okay Wikisurfer

>>149314985
yeah

>>149315914
I like him as Agent Venom (before the klyntar shit, which was the first step in the road to Knullshit, but that's Bendis for you), but I'll agree with the sentiment that just removing people from Spider-Man's supporting cast and turning them super powered did more harm than good.

It feels like some greedy attempt to take some branches from the Spider-Man tree in the hopes of of turning them into their own independent money printers, only to predictably fail.

>>149326269
I guess he can but piercing weapons were always more of a carnage thing.

>>149314997
Projection

>>149326269
>>149327430
Not 100% sure but wasn't the hardening and sharpening stated to be a unique adaptation of the Carnage symbiote to the earth environment or something back when he debuted? (which was never passed down to any of its spawn or replicated by its siblings, but whatever)

>>149315144
>There's no chud, incel or whatever worthless neologism who goes through a tenth of what Peter put up with.

You can't imagine the suffering those poor, unfortunate chuds have to endure on a daily basis! Just look at it! Oh, the huge manatee! I must play the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin!

>>149315115
This is the kind of growth the movies never did right

>>149325030
A lot of lefties do consider Ditko a chud though.

>>149327566
But that's Raimi's Spider-Man 1 to 3 right there.

>>149327464
Kys troon

>>149325030
>>149327634
Alan Moore literally wrote Rorschach out of spite for Ditko himself and The Question. Unfortunately for Moore, it backfired

>>149321881
Spidey embarrassed at his incel youth is pretty funny

>>149314976 (OP)
>chud

what would Peter do if he was assigned a government mandated girlfriend?

>>149315115
Peter looked insane with those high neck sweaters he wore all the time

>>149327870
Throw her next to the biological sex slave he got for Christmas and go back to pining for MJ while fucking Felicia

>>149327886
I meant 15 year old highschool Peter.

>Throw her next to the biological sex slave he got for Christmas
You mean the symbiote, right?

>>149327749
Alan Moore is a fan of Dikto. He just really dislike Mr.A.

>>149327749
>>149328803
He was a huge fan of Ditko. Watchmen was in part a critique of certain aspects of the superhero genre, and a love letter to Ditko.

>>149321835
Kids didn't shoot up schools back then. They got in fights and came out of it as friends.

>>149325080
Dude, Peter eventually DOES fight Flash around eight issues into his run and in spite of Stan Lee teasing another "Peter gets screwed over by his shitty luck and has to no show the fight, permanently branding him a coward" payoff, shows up to the fight and goes "fuck it" and beats Flash up so badly that he permanently buck breaks Flash into being Peter's ball washer going forward

>>149325403
You are making shit up.

Liz is a classic cunt who openly helps Flash bully Peter and treat him like dog shit, only cares about him once Peter "stops being weird" IE stops wearing glasses and meets Mary Jane (making her realize that Peter has moved on and scored an actual 10/10 instead of incel fixating on a 6/10 like her), and even then decides to be the supreme cunt at graduation when she tells Peter "I lied when I told you all those times you were an unfuckable incel but I'm still not going to fuck you because I'm an adult now and you are a "child" still in my mind!" fuck you. And continues to seethe once Gwen Stacy comes along and Peter no longer obsesses over her like Liz demands him do.

Lee tries to white wash her like he did Flash as soon as Ditko leaves, but Liz is arguably worse than Flash and his various retconned Freudian Excuses, in that she's a prototype evil Stacy

>>149327301
Those are retconned ideas. OG Flash was a right cunt until Mary Jane told him she wouldn't fuck him given that she had Peter and Harry simping for her then getting shipped off to Vietnam and getting buck broken during basic training.

>>149314976 (OP)
What’s a chud?

>>149330405
>only cares about him once Peter "stops being weird" IE ... meets Mary Jane (making her realize that Peter has moved on and scored an actual 10/10 instead of incel fixating on a 6/10 like her)

I can confirm that this shit happens in real life. Every time I was alone, none of the chicks I liked ever gave a crap about me. But the second I walked around in town with my second cousin (easily a 9/10), every girl I knew showed up all of a sudden and at the very least said hello or wanted to stop for a chat.

>>149314976 (OP)
>>149315115
>Spider-verse has zillion different spider-men
>Still no spider-chud

>piss off a guy who can canonically kill you without even exerting himself
>actually has to hold back constantly to not punch a hole through people

>>149314976 (OP)
Jen was a Chudete.

>>149320886
>unusually vindictive

you're describing trannies

>>149318736
You also got to put blame on John Romita Sr. for drawing Peter conventionally handsome.
Once they stopped drawing Peter Parker like a stereotypical nerd they stopped the revenge fantasy monologs to himself

>>149321918
>modern
You can tell by the coloring and the even mention of Rand and Gait that's panel is good 20 years old, pure Bill Jemas edgelord era Marvel.
Marvel would never print that today less they offend some libertarian dweeb

>>149331106
the transition to uber chad after high school and a few years into his crime fighting career fit Peter just fine

>>149323023
Kek

>>149331069
Dan Slott did irreparable damage to Jen

>>149333185
Never bring-up the slut-shaming, He'll block you.

>>149331069
>>149333185
Rainbow's Run was pure suffering.

>>149333245
>>149333446
Why would you read these runs?

>>149334184
Some people said they where good.

>>149327441
>"I know you are, but what am I?"
>posts tangential stale meme about President who stepped down
Really weird that Epstein was killed while Trump was president and now Trump's MAGA FBI is saying it really was a suicide and there is no client list.

>>149330405
>>Liz is a classic cunt who openly helps Flash bully Peter and treat him like dog shit, only cares about him once Peter "stops being weird"
I don't remember this at all.
Wasn't she the first to notice Peter wasn't feeling well after the bite? And she invited him to that variety show to see Spidey while he gave the group the brushoff.

>>149330984
What about the Human Holocaust?

>>149335577
>What about the Human Holocaust?
What about the Human Jew?

>>149314976 (OP)
I think you and the rest of these faggots ITT who overblow this "chud" shit, especially these losers:
>>149314985
>>149327402
>>149315104
>>149320886
are fucking stupid and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>149336057
People are just having fun with early Peter being full of angst

>>149330405
>stops wearing glasses and meets Mary Jane
Those two events are like four years apart
Liz was openly competing with Betty at that time

>>149334218
Some people lied.

>>149314976 (OP)
No, but you're a faggot

>>149314985
He’s not. But Steve Ditko wanted to make him one. Stan Lee wouldn’t allow that shit, however.

That said, wanting to unleash vengeance on a bully (especially when you know you will win) fairly universal for everyone.

Nope, never.

>>149336057
>NOOO YOURE USING MY INTERNET IDENTITY WRONG!!!!

>>149325355
Chud is here. He mad.

>>149315115
Who drew this bullshit? It's way off.

>>149338952
If only the artist left some sort of signature

>>149314985
*Incel

The “jerk jock” trope is because most cartoonists were/are yet-to-be school shooters so they write people with actual social skills as antagonists.

>>149336057
Found the chud

>>149337967
The problem is people like you think that there's only two possible ways to write a male character: Michael Cera or Pickle Rick.

>>149330405
Excuse me Mr. Bullshit Liar? Everything I said is straight facts and I have the panels to prove it. All of this stuff happens before Peter has ever even met Mary Jane, by the way (though there is a running joke that begins in ASM # 15 of Aunt May trying to set Peter up with her but he's always busy and misses her because he's too caught up with Liz & Betty and Spider-Man business, and a joke in ASM # 25 where Liz and Betty meet her off-panel and are intimidated by her looks) Pete and Liz begin getting teased as early as ASM # 4 and this is followed up on in nearly every single issue from then on (as I demonstrate in pic related.)

Also, the panel from the OP is out of context and from ASM # 5 where Peter is hanging out with Flash, Liz, and the others at a bowling alley as friends and he decides to start talking crap about Spider-Man to devert suspicion away from himself which causes Flash to say what he says in the OP and begins the running joke of Flash butting heads with Peter but adoring Spider-Man much to Pete's amusement and chagrin.

Flash and Liz even go to see Aunt May when she's sick in the hospital in ASM # 10 without even telling Peter or planning on running into him there because they're just good friends and good people.

>>149336332
He really wasn't.

>>149337024
Kek

>>149340871
>Chuds that are trying to turn Dikto Peter into a chud for self insertion purpose are mega secondaries that take single panels out of context.
Color me surprised.

>>149337725
>wanting to unleash vengeance on a bully (especially when you know you will win) fairly universal for everyone.
Unleashing vengeance on something that doesn't exist is universal?

>>149340989
You don't have any arguments or explanation for what happened in any of these issues because you didn't read them.

>>149340989
Eh that anon is making a lot of assumptions. I read those issues and I never felt that Peter had any real friends in high school. He had two girls who liked him after he got spider-muscles and a bully. Ditko was girlcrazy, but ultimately a loner.

>>149333446
I still don't understand the controversy and nobody seems to have a good explanation of it.

>>149342364
the controversy is that it was simply an okay run where she explored her feelings for Jack and since its a cape book and not fights every single issue this is a bad thing and has it labeled as the "Hallmark" run because it was made for another audience in mind and /co/ wants she-hulk to be stuck in 80's cheesecake with 0 development

>>149339454
>artist

OP is a faggot
Stop poisoning this board with your zoomer nonsense terms, troll.

Again I ask

What is a chud?

>>149343472
Safe word for incels

>>149343472
Lefty term for right-winger/reactionary, which Ditko's Peter was explicitly called by a seething hippie.

>>149329804
>Kids didn't shoot up schools back then
You're right, they just became serial killers or police officers

>>149315144
The correct take
>>149327464
And then moshe comes in to piss it up

>>149322586
Kek

>>149342517
Yeah sucking Mallory Book's hole is "development".

>>149325979
Severely underrated

>>149342364
Jen being with Jack is inappropriate.

The Chudette to Karen pipeline is very real.

>>149314976 (OP)
No.