Thread 149318850

Was 'A Walk in the Park' (1994) the first truly significant web animation?

yiff in hell

>>149318850 (OP)
It was truly significant for the early lgbt community.

>>149318850 (OP)
Thanks OP, never heard of this before. Just checked it out. Funny and well done

>>149319037
>sexy squirrel girl turning all the guys heads
>lgbt
Pick one

>>149319099
Most furry animations influenced the Gay community. Including this one.
>sexy squirrel girl
Self insert for trannies.

>>149319166
You need better bait

>>149319199
You need better brains

>>149318850 (OP)
it was truly significant for my dick

>>149318850 (OP)
I mean wasn't it originally a thesis project for college. Like I get that it was spread around certain corners of the internet at the time and for that period that means a lot but like I wouldn't in it of itself call it a web animation, like it wasn't made with that in mind.

>>149319166
No, Schwartz is straight, very straight and draws women so attractive like he was an actual straight dude and a man of culture and also he was against political correctness (that turns women into fat ugly ogres) long before this was cool
Troon could not make something like this

Babs Bunny was in it

>>149318850 (OP)
Hot. Who did the animation?

>>149318850 (OP)
This animation sucks. Human cock

>>149319911
Eric Schwartz

Found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm7oNlDlIe8
>Gallagher with a watermelon and lemmings reference at the end
Man this is a time capsule. Gallagher used to get referenced all the time back then.

Imagine if TMS picked this up

>>149320032
Awesome, thanks anon

>>149319911
Eric Schwartz, he's basically the god father of furry art on the internet. His webcomic about a skunk girl dates back to 1996, like no joke historically his work is quite important.

>>149320032
>tail just awkwardly goes directly down between her cheeks and below the skirt instead of a hole
I love and hate this ancient furry driven design choices

>>149318850 (OP)
It's significant in that I want to suck on her tits

>>149318850 (OP)
>no link
OP is a faggot

>>149321434
See
>>149320032

I miss my fucking Amiga.

>>149318850 (OP)
she cute~

>>149321041
Still funny to me that Bill Holbrook's Kevin and Kell is older than Sabrina by a year, yet people tend to forget his work.

>>149324215
Cause Bill Holbrook doesn't draw softcore and full on porn while Eric Schwartz does. Kevin and Kell is basically just a newspaper strip while Sabrina is like actively horny.

>>149324744
Having read neither one, but familiar with how they look, Kevin and Kell does more feel like a newspaper strip but online while Sabrina feels more like a "webcomic" in style. If that makes sense. Even the early strips.

Oldest webcomic I've actually read a lot of was Sluggy Freelance.

>>149324780
Compared to

>>149318850 (OP)
Lol I dunno

>>149324780
Dear god, this composition is trash. Just compare to >>149324786
The only reason it made any success was the hot girls.

>>149325471
Did you mix them up?
Sabrina seems to need one or two more panels to show what happens. Heck make it an extra strip.
Kevin and Kell doesn't have any composition, it's just a puppet show.
Both are very wordy.

>amy
>amiga

>>149318850 (OP)
It was pre-web, as was most of Schwartz' early stuff; the Aerotoons stuff, Amy the Squirrel, Flip the Frog and Clarise the cat. I first saw his stuff on Amiga Format cover disks.

Eric Schwartz aka the primordial Fifi drooler.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.tiny-toon.fandom/GyhHAe-1d48/Fq5ERGjhmOwJ

>>149319535
>>149319901
Made for old pigs and tapirs

>>149319166
You think this guy created these hot furry girls so transgender people could roleplay as them?

>>149318850 (OP)
This is what killed the Amiga as a platform by making it way too cringe for normal people.

>>149318850 (OP)
AMIGA

>>149318850 (OP)
>>149320032
>first web animation is a furry cartoon
Not at all surprised. A Walk in the Park ain't bad though, cute stuff

We have to go back.

>>149330186
Microsoft winning was pretty much always gonna happen. They appeared at the right place and time. They consolidated computers into an easy and accessible thing. They had better kill apps like Doom. They also were good at networking and therefore became that defacto standard for businesses.

>>149319901
What is it about Tiny Toons that attracts so much autism and furpedos?

>>149331227
You don't belong here.

>>149320032
Okay, Andrew Dobson totally drew this one.

>>149331227
>autism
WB diehards are autistic.

>fur
Figure it out.

>>149331184
>dat glorious crosshatching shading and black shadows with real ink

modern artists could never

>>149319901
his stuff references loads of 90s cartoons

So is this comic porn or not?

>>149332078
cheesecake at most

>>149332078
No, it isn't.

>>149332045
>WHY'S THERE A BIG OL SQUIRREL IN THE THEATER

its neat you can still get the anims and ffmpeg works with them

Important bits.

>>149333181
The white fur highlighting the ass is simply chef's kiss.

>>149325832
This, as a long time Kevil and Kell reader, most strips are going to be either...
>very wordy
>no words at all
>or build up to a pun

>>149327944
And God bless him for it.

What do we think of ZigZag?

>>149334420
"His" ZigZag is nice but she's not his character to begin with, actual ZigZag is just kinda there

>>149334420
Blobby slut.

You know we're in the wrong timeline right now because in a perfect world Schwartz would have been art director for a loony tune cartoon by now, not the nepo baby hires who are make that shit right now.

it's got that vintage chddie feel
AMIGAAAA

>>149318850 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrN-RWZp3f8

>>149318850 (OP)
Minerva hair

>>149320042
You mean Tom Ruegger, Famicom

really love this artstyle
can't believe I'm nostalgic for a furry artstyle, but here we are
also pretty partial to those toony 80's furry zine/comics looks
>>149333499
counter shading emphasizing breasts/butt is very important aspect of a good furry charcter design

>>149324780
She looks like she ||knows what a JPEG is||

>>149336950
Very important.

>>149336978
Why doesn't she need to wear pants, but she needs a shirt?

>>149337001
She wears pants that look exactly like her legs.

>>149331227
I once made a thread asking this but it got shat up by Spamicom and his dickriders
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149204524/#149204524
Highly recommended you read this thread it’s the funniest shit ever lmao

>>149336158
I was expecting this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yus4aRCQTX8

>>149334420
Would smash.

She's cool.

I legitimately find this stuff fascinating. It's so interesting to me how the furry style originated in this stuff that so clearly is coming from the Spielberg cartoons, then gradually evolved into what's thought of today via very, very select individuals that had an outsized influence on the style. Seeing Eric Schwartz's stuff feels like reading Sumerian cuneiform tablets that are clearly the seeds of modern civilization to me, it's the evolution of culture distilled into a microcosm.

>>149337242
I know what you mean. I get nostalgic looking at it too, even though it predates me having the internet by about 4 or 5 years and I've never been a furry. Very different world online back then.
>>149337165
>I once made a thread asking this but it got shat up by Spamicom and his dickriders
*it got massively improved by famiGOD and his acolytes
fixed that for you

>>149337242
Schwartz's stuff was already a sort-of outlier in aping 90s Warner cartoons, furry art had already been going for some time by then and tended to look moore "serious" or "realistic"

>>149337242
>Eric planted the seeds for the modern furry style
No. Modern furry style is way more influenced by Disney stuff.
Even if modern furry has some aspects of Eric he was not the progenitor.

They just don't make them like they used to.

>>149337378
>>149337395
I'm fully aware that the furry fandom originated as a result of Disney's Robin Hood but was the Disney style really that influential afterwards? I feel like the WB style fucking subsumed it in the 90s and after that it was that mixed with 80s and 90s anime styles that became the real drivers for the style moving forwards. The Disney stuff feels like pre-civilizational cave paintings to me.

>>149337372
Imagine defending a bunch of literal retards, what is it about 35 year old pedo skitzos you find so sexually appealing Birchy?

>>149337476
Japan is Yasuji Mori, which is Disney

>>149318850 (OP)
... I guess so?

>>149324780
>Small floppy disk holds 1 (singular) image
Checks out.

I kinda hate that Dickman gets to helm actual WB shows while Schwartz is happy with his little comic. I guess location makes a difference.

>>149318850 (OP)
Yes. Yes, it was.

>>149324780
What's on the jpeg?

>>149334420
10/10 skank

>>149339576
Amy and Tom "showing how they feel about each other", related to their "screams of joy" coming from their apartment.

Sabrina is claiming to have an image of them doing it, basically. But she's only kidding, as the title states.

>>149331227
>furpedos
Like who?

>>149318850 (OP)
Post more artwork from Eric Schwartz, please.

I like his stuff.

For me, it's Clarisse.

Is he doing more safe stuff nowadays?
Him and KempferZero are the only furry artist I like. Sadly, the last one diseappeared forever...

>>149334420
Love Zig Zag

>>149337001
She does wear pants as anon explained

>>149340462
She used to not

At your own risk...

>>149340488
why do you have the comic printed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZETx36bhQ
He did the intro and some of the artwork for the Team 17 game Superfrog.

>>149318850 (OP)
Finding out that stuff at like 13 felt like stumbling across the entrance to the ruins of an ancient civilization. It's a very unique experience

>>149318880
Honestly I can’t really tell if this thread belongs in >>>/trash/ or not. It is furry stuff but nothing that would offend the jannies.

>>149320032
Wish we could get the original anim file for this rather than this compressed to hell version.

The Amiga also had god tier chip tunes

This style of furry is 9000 times more appealing than the modern doghead shits

>this entire thread
I might be a furry now.
Someone take me out in the back and end me please.

>>149341288
You can just casually like anthro sometimes it’s really nbd. I’ve dabbled for a long time and never self identified with the community or any of that shit. Cartoons are hot and some of them are animal people, oh well.

>>149341203
The original animations are probably still floating around ancient ftp sites (sourced from the discs Eric used to sell), but if you're expecting some great quality you'd be let down since these things were made in the late 80s/early 90s on an amiga after all.

The music has been archived: https://amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&view=10485 (squirrelfunk is the track). You need Octamed or OpenMPT to play it.

Closest thing to an archive of Eric's animations is https://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/eric_w_schwartz/thu_eric_w_schwartzVE.html
A few of these are in the original formats, but Walk in the Park is not. In fact this is where the shitty youtube compressed mpeg1 version is sourced from. There's also a fanmade CD32 disc of his animations floating around, but they're all sourced from this same website so they're not the originals.

>>149341298
You won't get great quality as it's 240i but having the best possible source means you have much better upscale options.

>>149318850 (OP)
Only fur artist I specifically like. His girls are so cute.

>>149341320
Especially Tabby

>>149340278
Flip gives me Leisure Suit Larry vibes.

>>149341582
they're contemporaries so maybe. did any LSL games make it to the Amiga?

>>149340259
EWS had all this expensive stuff and was able to make great things with it. animation is a very niche skill and I wonder how he was able to learn it that well and finance all that work...

...especially considering it's 30 years later, we have much better tools now, much of the software is free and much of the hardware is cheap. and still, it's very rare for people to actually animate at this level.

Sabrina has a great design

>>149341826
It's simple but easily recognizable.

>>149336950
>pretty partial to those toony 80's furry zine/comics looks

Schwartz has a nice style too. There's older furry works with that rough, amateur look that make me feel nostalgic too.

>>149337242
>>149337476
a real neat topic. from what I understand Star Trek got huge and was the first nerdy IP where fans were invested enough to organize conventions and make fanzines. This issue Zero of Vootie is from that early era, 1976, when people were still using the term "funny animal" instead of "furry". It was about ten years later that furry became the catch-all term and and furries started hosting conventions too.

>>149334420
Horrible character.

>>149341339
I need more evidence

>>149342132
Yeah there's a really interesting blend of influences that occurred over time. The conventions started with Star Trek, then anime conventions began to take over in the 80s, and the furry scene hopped over to there. Some of the earliest Western anime conventions had anthro characters being used as mascots. Eventually those spun out into the first stand-alone furry conventions, but a lot of the anime influence remained within the fandom, which then started to bleed into the other aesthetics and eventually evolved into what we think of as the modern ones.

modern furry as we know it was born out of the resulting xenophilia from the Space Race in the '50s and '60s.
it spread to funny animals in the '70s.
then conventions in the '80s.
then the internet in the '90s.
and by the millennium, new blood was constantly pouring in.

>>149334420
Boomer's idea of a perfect women: pornstar with 50 different venereal diseases and who's sucked more dicks than fucking Cleopatra. No wonder those fags were burning through marriages like a train burns through coal.

>>149342641
She's perfectly clean.

For me, it's Helen

>>149343026
Minus her mind

So when will skunk and zebra stripe woman fuck

>>149343587
>20 pounds of skunk ass

>>149343587
God the money I would pay for over 40 pounds of Sabrina ass and pussy.

>>149318850 (OP)
Unfortunately, I did not have Internets when early animations were uploaded.

>>149337242
The real redpill is that the furfags were always degenerates & faggot even before the days of BBS boards & high-speed Internet.

>>149337372
It hurts me specifically, since I know a massive Hamtaro fan, who is leagues above famiCUNT.

>>149342611
The original furries weren't about degeneracy. They just wanted to draw funny animals. Faggots influrated their group who wanted make it all about sex, drugs, & other degeneracy & tainted their image, so the original furries left & would later start the Burn Furs campaigns against the faggot. It did not succeed & the Burn Furs left & never return.

Moral of the story: Never allow homosexuals aka LGBTs within your fanbase because they are degenerate peices of shit that deserve the death penalty.

>>149343931
>Funny animals not degeneracy!
>The whole thread is about animal girls and how much they love human man.
Please anon.

>>149343955
Clearly this is the fault of homosexuals

>>149343931
None of you niggas remember that one of the villains of Pinocchio was a 6ft fox wearing a hat and cape. It's not done because of someone's sexual fetish, but because in stories and animation you can exaggerate and create otherworldly things.

>>149344018
Or it can be both

>>149343955
It didn't original start off like that. It was just bunch of dudes who wanted to trade & sell art, & watch underground anime. Those guys weren't even considered as "furries" at the time, since the term "furry" had not been invented. The faggots influrated their fanbase at the time long before they had conversations. By the time the furrycons started having BDSM shit in the 80s, the faggots had already taken over & the original OG funny animal fanboys left. This was what the Burn Furs were fighting against & lost.

>>149341261
The internet ruined everything as usual

>>149343931
>The original furries weren't about degeneracy.
it was always about degeneracy

>>149344422
>Straight man created furry as an form of abstraction to live their fantasies be it comical or sexual.
>Hot anthro woman make the dick go hard 100% straight.
>Sometimes insert the loser nothing burger male character. (You)
>Oppressed class(gays) use the same abstraction as an way to live their fantasies too.
>Hot anthro man make dick go hard.
Judging by this it's surprisingly funny.

>>149327944
Fun fact. The bit with the Tiny Toons' Night Ghoulery special when the fan asks about Fifi getting her own show was the writers encountering Eric Schwartz online. This was probably the first known interaction where writers of a animated show encountered deprived fans.

>>149344705
found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUBYgg0r0Y

>>149343931
>The original furries weren't about degeneracy.
true, but they were always kind of degenerate. It's just that that part of it grew too big and consumed the rest.

>>149344768
1:08 btw

Now that the fur has flown, who was really in the wrong here?

>>149344797
Zig Zag. Fucking someone just to get revenge on someone else is evil.

>>149343931
Who do you consider the "original furries" and who from that era do you not count as them (to maintain your point, of course)?

>>149344827
Well that wasn't the only reason, Bobby's mom just has it going on.

>>149344839
That she does

>>149343931
Faggots have an obsession with ugliness and uglification, probably because they're squalid and disgusting people, and it reflects their true nature. They need to be annihilated.

Might as well use this as a chance to share this video.
https://youtu.be/crgHPztPVzc?si=Y2GCwCOrwSrUp6vn

Dennis Falk, the supposed "Tiny Toons Stalker", wasn't actually a stalker at all. There's even a call with him in the video. The whole story about him being a stalker appears to have been made up. He was just a guy who wrote Tiny Toons porn fanfiction. Though as >>149344768 shows, the writers were aware of the Fifi loving segment of the fanbase.

He might've been a weirdo, but no more than a lot of people on /co/. Deserves to have his name cleared.

>>149344838
I consider the ancient Egyptians the original furries, unless anyone can name some anthromorphic representation that's earlier than them

>>149343931
>>149345001
>faggots
Straight MIGAmongoloids are also unable to draw. It's nothing to do with le faggot maymay.

>>149345207
40k years ago humans shoved this lion man up their asses in ritual.

>>149341288
Because this is straight up classic pinup art.

>>149345219
I'm not American, and I can draw better than you. Go ahead and post your own disgusting faggot shit so I can laugh at it please.

When's he going to make a modern version of these?

>>149345738
I'd push her around the yard.

>>149340244
man, was wondering is this old coot Eric still single perhaps?

>>149345697
He'd probably be able to fund a 7 figure kickstarter or get $100k's a month patreon if he promised to do an animated series

>>149345207
Sumerians maybe?

>>149340343
>a man playing a woman very convincingly
>a demon rat with tentacles everywhere

>>149345207
Are you serious? You're blasting 3,000 years back to ancient civilizations in an argument about a 20th-century fandom subculture. The Egyptians are historically irrelevant in this context. And even if they weren't, the shit they got up to and created back then contradicts whatever pure image you have of them and their relationship with animal people.

>>149343343
based taste
really wish eric did something with her son and zigzag, alas all there is is that fureverick pic

Where are the pig/tapir?

>>149346694
Over there.

>>149346732
Hell yeah thats me.

>>149318850 (OP)
No, it was an ad for Tower Records.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pSTc96rTjw

>>149346416
Sabrina only gets better and better with age.
>She looks a lot like her mother down the line too...

>>149318850 (OP)
How come Animations made in Amiga exude pure soul in comparison to other kinds of digital animation?
How did they do it?

>>149340319
Kemp's disappearance really does suck, it really was a contemporaneous with Crash's resurgence and fading away again.
Also, while I like plenty of lewd art, I have a lot of respect and really do appreciate artists that only go suggestive at most like kemp did, there's something about it I just like, maybe just cause going full porn tends to take you down the eventual exaggerated proportions pipeline or commission hell. Or maybe just that pretty sfw furry art is underrated.
Also, while talking about Schwartz' lasting contributions, I think his biggest might actually be the "furry girl in american bikini" thing, it's a real lasting trope in furry art.

>>149346385
yeah I've always kinda destested the "EPIC CAVEMEN WERE FURRIES X DDDDD" when there's absolutely 0 lineage from that culture in what modern furryism came

>>149347432
I agree. It's pretty stupid. Not completely absurd, but I think it's anthropologically incorrect to say they are exactly the same thing. The real origin I think is the new Victorian obsession with popular illustration and cuteness. That's the origin of real cartoons after all. They kinda bridged the world of Aesop and whatever into a really modern thing. Although of course popular illustrations of the 1800s and early 1900s were not in it for ERP and masturbation or whatever. We're talking about something that is very broad.

>posted at 8 AM
>is a weekday
>almost 200 replies
How many unemployed people browse /co/?

>>149347432
>Caveman where furries
All this proves is that for some reason humanity keeps giving animals human features

>>149347672
This thread has been up for over 2 days.

>>149347672
What if....
They're all ESLs instead?
I'm not I just work weird hours, but there's usually atleast a few euros or SEAs in any given thread and sometimes the converge

>>149347672
hey i'm off work at least
it's like 6 pm for me

>>149347672
>what are time zones

>>149347131
Because they are made to emulate Animaniacs and Looney Tunes, and not flat UPA shows, which didn't even exist in the early 90s.

>>149347131
The limitations of Deluxe Paint and the chiptunes

Plus gradients, so many gradients

>>149318850 (OP)
https://youtu.be/iIaSroTbgts
this is some pretty good animation for a guy who never had any formal training, let alone back in the 90s when tutorials were not a thing,

>>149348125
>tutorials were not a thing
anon I hope you realize books exist

>>149343343
I fucking love this 90s strait-laced almost church group style decor. Not that it’s actually good but it’s funny and memorable to me. Like this guy is drawing naked furry ass in the 90s and the background is a photo he probably took himself of like, a great aunt’s living toom

>>149348125
Dude went to art school and took animation courses.

>>149331993
max and roxanne in the background.

>>149335687
it took about three decades.

>>149319535
I wish he'd draw more of that one fox milf

>>149343343
She really deserves more lewds

>>149344797
Zig, probably badly fucked up his relationship with his mom.

>>149345959
Its not exactly an easy task, even if he were much younger. I would definetly donate if he ever decided to do that.

>>149348704
>Every time the kid sees his mom he imagines Zigzag rocking her world
Even worse if she got Helen into doing porn with her and he stumbled upon it

>>149348801
Just get him involved as well.

>>149348811
>with his mom
That's a technical foul

>>149348582
How come he never went into the industry?

>>149348822
Then why am I technically aroused?

>>149348811
There's one pic of Zigzag fucking an older version of him, but nothing of his mom walking in on him cranking it to porn of her, which is like, the easiest layup for a porn plot possible

History behind furry media like comics are an interesting time capsule I never thought I would delve into.

>>149348835
Because his material is too appealing

>>149337197
He was my introduction to Eric’s characters (and furries).

>>149337242
Early Furry style is pure SOUL.

>>149348982
I remember when speakers were always mounted to the side of the monitor. No idea who thought that was a good idea.

>>149348835
IIRC, he did work in the industry doing odd jobs and shit but never got onto a major production. Then Sabrina Online and commissions and shit were just more lucrative in the end.

>>149348811
the fact there's no art of this is a damn shame

>>149348835
He was too much of a degenerate. Even more so then Doug Winger.

>>149350275
>Even more so then Doug Winger.
You can't just make outrageous claims like that.

>>149318850 (OP)
Mogged by Doctor Comet

>>149350021
Tabitha is a future slut in the making

>>149348801
Imagine jackin' it and then seeing your mom.
fate worse than death

>>149318850 (OP)
I was always so impressed by his early work especially the animations, shame the fandom ate his soul. I see that a lot with a certain artists they really really try to improve they get really effective at their craft and then the fandom comes along and all of a sudden hey I can get a whole bunch of money from drawing boobs on a squirrel screw this trying thing. I've always hated his web comic it's just a self congratulating self-insertion, such amazing talent wasted in a phantom of incompetence

It was him, Max black and that one other guy kind of forgot his name he was completely obsessed with skunks, who got together and basically wrecked their lives. All of them were really good but just focused on pleasing a bunch of furries in the fandom and never really went anywhere. I know the skunk guy died like at 43 and it was that engineer like Giant penises pretty nice guy from what I hear he kind of just died and then this guy don't know whatever happened to Max, but they were all really big back in the day just wish then focused a little harder on actually making something besides just a bunch of sex drawings and fandom jokes. Same thing happened to that Russian artist recently forgot his name he was so big he was like charging a thousands for art and he also got eaten up, and there was fossil that guy was good but never really improved on his comic book he died with so many good ideas. He was going to do all this stuff and no he just drew dinosaurs with boobs, shame about him too, so many of those guys are gone, and very few people even remember the existed or tank vixens, Arctic press printed a lot of it, I don't even know if those guys are around. Fred's still at it I don't know how much longer that guy is fat does way too much caffeine, totally addicted to caffeine pills. You think one of them would have made it but even though they had the skills they never could just get out of that fandom it's like quicksand

>>149348835
He was supposedly offered a job on the Casper movie but didn't want to drop out of college. Then he worked on a cartoon pitch with some other furfags, 90s 3D space battlan and 2D furry bitches but TV networks didn't bite.

>>149334420
Speaking of...Someone has been followin' her arc story about her family ties? If it's so, what's your impresion?

On the one hand, there're, to some extent, mixed, non-negative "perceptions"; Is just the slight shift in tone from "funny/daily/ sexy" to "dramatic/sensitive family issues" is a somewhat sudden slip...

While this is not new since ZZ's experiences have been mentioned in both a bio and the comic and it is carried out to deepen said past.

The issue is, perhaps, in the execution of somewhat bitter events and how they are resolved between panels, as well as how conflicts are dealt with (and it's not just ZZ and family, it's also Sabrina's mother and her issue; and I sense a bit more 'complacency' towards ZZ than the mother in the 'organic' resolution of the drama...) but as I mentioned, it's something bit slighty perceptive.

But yes, it is appreciable to see and know the characters and their charisma, it is rather the story tale that I've some obsv.

>>149344705
>The bit with the Tiny Toons' Night Ghoulery special when the fan asks about Fifi getting her own show was the writers encountering Eric Schwartz online.

Dennis Falk, actually.

And then there was anal paladin he died fighting in Ukraine. Was another one that just died, so many of the good artists in the fandom are dead. You know that one lizard guy is going to be around forever and the Griffin guy who makes a terrible jokes he's going to be alive for probably a billion years but those artists with the real talent man the fandom squash them, totally wrecked their lives made them think they could focus on a bunch of underground comic books but nothing else. It was like that one guy kept making them parody of Conan the barbarian but it was furry and it was sex. Crap I'm just remembering all these people and all dead now, I don't even know it's half their names. Back in the early 2000s they were a whole bunch of documentaries about the furry fandom can't even find those anymore remember one or a bunch of teenagers went to a convention and made farting noises and hopped in there beat up old truck and drove away, there's a whole lot of stuff missing from back in the day that was just forgotten and erased you think a fandom with so many tech people but actually have like some sort of historical group in it to just document it all but no. They talk about the burn fur that's about the only thing they know about, how they don't even talk about how many Disney animators were there at the cons back in the day. It's just all kind of depressing of just how much was lost over the years, and how much they've rewritten. Those two gray muzzles to have basically rewritten their old history to make it into the fandom hated them because they were gay not because they were going after a little boys, I'm over here horror stories about that people going to their store and finding just crusty plushies covered in semen and they're trying to get kids to do that. Same thing with that fox guy with the puppet with jack off on the puppets and then go to parks and get kids to touch him. Now he's trying to say oh people hated us back then because we were gay no it's

And then there was the guys were bringing service dog into the cons to fuck. Along with those two Fox guys that were making puppets they were jizz on and then get kids to play with them in the park and then lick them afterwards ,whole bunch of their videos everyone hated them but now of course it would be because it was gay. They rewrote so much history you watching any recent documentary, about the fandom and you'll see these smiling idiots who lie their teeth about who they were. Crazy how they rewritten everything, saying that they were hated because it was gay back in the 90s now it was because you were doing terrible things. If anyone ever tells you about the furry community just remember they're full of it, it's a terrible community there's quite a few good people but it will eat you alive and a lot of liars. Boy have those liars rewritten the history, like that one guy you know the uncle in the lab coat there are so much dirt on him but everyone pretends he is just some nice old guy yeah then why the hell did you let that guy in with that 8 year. Oh yeah he's gay full of it that whole community is full of it that top leadership with every call it was taken over from a bunch of nerds that's worse crime in the world was jacking off to Fox tits to a bunch of hardcore pedophiles / zoophiles.. now it's a bunch of mentally ill transgender people who are also grooming, the whole fandom, messed up

>>149351087
James Hardiman was the artist for Skunkworks. Doug Winger was the futa furry artist. Miles DF sounds like the Russian artist you're talking about.

I mean what they did to the burn furs they turn them into a bunch of evil villains because they literally did not want guys to have sex with dogs at Con. That's what what's her name the rat girl was complaining about, and they wanted to get the pedophiles out of the community but the community freaked out went after them said they were anti gay anti-pornography. now they were called all the names for saying maybe we shouldn't have registered sex offenders. Maybe we should not have dog fucker bring dogs to convention. I don't know if anyone will ever read what I wrote. I wish I could upload some pictures but they're on an old hard drive somewhere.

I guess I will end my insane rambles, but the older I get every once in awhile I see one of these furry threads or documentary and knowing how many of the websites from back in the day are gone and there's no backups of exactly what happened. I can't even point to the videos that I watched back then because they're gone a lot of the history is gone now and they've done such a good job rewriting it. Can I point to an old web ring or some old platform now they're gone since gone geocities would we considered new compared to the stuff from the way back early 90s. So much of that stuff is gone and so much of that history of exactly who a lot of these Gray muzzles who claim to be Noble good people who are just discriminated against because of their sexual orientation have rewritten everything. Once the main platforms literally had their hard drives die there's basically no proof outside a few archived links and maybe some stuff backed up in a closet somewhere, it's crazy I mean we're talking about hardcore pedophile and zoophiles that have stuck around long enough to basically become the leadership and guiding force in the fandom. The thing is people move on with their life and most the time is the good people. The bad one stick around and then they just rewrite everything. They don't tell you how they screwed over so many artists by not paying them or what they actually did at con's, how they groomed young boys or how they did terrible things to animals. They were despised and hate it and now they're just the old man of the fandom. If the fandom had done a better job at keeping a lot of the history alive these people have been in jail by now, you can take my ramblings with a grain of salt or just don't believe them doesn't really matter. I wish I could show you what I know but those hard drives are either dead I still have an old one and I backed up a long time ago but I still can't find a computer that can handle something that old without formatting it

unc is yappin'

>>149351180
>It was like that one guy kept making them parody of Conan the barbarian but it was furry and it was sex.
Cerebus the Aardvark?

>>149351578
Red shertland

>>149351682
I see

Don't make me start talking about the days of muck or any of that really ancient history some of that's even before my time. But yeah I know a lot about this community I know a lot about the furries I know a lot of bodies and where they're buried.. I even know about some murders that actually happened in the fandom that you never heard of. I know people have connections and bad dragon and I know about events that happened in aquariums. There's a lot of things I know about because I've been in that community for way too long definitely I still have one foot in it but not as active and I don't really hang out with those people anymore.

I don't hate the fandom I hate what the fandom has done, I despise certain people who know what happens and what has happened and have turned a blind eye to it. the fandom used to be a hell of a lot smaller and tighter, now it's more spread out so a lot of those really bad people are on their own little clicks on discords. I tend to keep clear of those people but the ones that bother me are the older ones the gray muzzles that have done a fantastic job in rewriting a lot of the history of who they actually are and what they actually did.

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>>149351743
Hearing about actual zoophiles and pedophiles in those communities is disturbing as hell. How commonplace was it? Can you name some names of people who belong in prison? If these "gray muzzles" are still around talking to kids, seems like people should know if they were dogfuckers or pedos.

Eric was one of those guys he was always a fat horned dog, but they got his brain so scrambled he missed a lot of really good opportunities, he'll say now no I didn't I worked as an independent blah blah blah. I know for a fact they got his mind messed up he used to put out really good work he was just a fat and horny nerd, he didn't even get laid that much for as much as he sacrificed to remain in the furry community and to draw his stupid skunk girls. He had a few really good opportunities but I meant leaving the furries and that meant he would have lost a little money and his ego. So he just stuck around really wasted it, he's always pretended he did not. I mean I'm bringing him up to specifically because this threads about them but yeah he really wasted it. The guy can't even see very well anymore that's why it's comics look so bad, he was kind of I will not call a rockstar but he was definitely given way too much publicity in the fandom, and given really terrible advice. Looking back at it now his success was almost guaranteed if he had just pushed it like he started doing but that meant being a smaller fish in a big pond and not a big fish in a small pond. Fossil on the other hand he was a great guy no one really recalls him now but he was a tattoo artist and he took the fandom less seriously, he actually fought back when he was screwed over when he was not paid for work he did. He really did want to become a comic book artist but he kept getting sidetracked with making the dinosaur yiff. Same thing with Max really good artist just never got out of the fandoms embrace, James I think it was him when he died they literally took his whole life's working through it right in the trash, he would go to cons sign stuff to art supposedly has a fan based but when he died everything he did was just trashed. All these guys could have done kids illustration and they would have been better off than they ended up being by sticking around that a cursed community

>>149351778
It was an ongoing joke about the pedophiles in the fandom for years. More of a joke for the guys were into little girls because no one could get near a little girl but now the boys now has a different story, they got groomed a lot. mark merlino is one it was ongoing joke about was she obsession and how may semen covered plushies he had at his place. Only reason I remember him was because he was in that documentary where he literally lied through his teeth

>>149351778
NTA, but I remember watching a talk Shawn Keller did on an /mlp/ stream of all places. If you don't know, Shawn Keller worked at Disney as an animator for I wanna say 20 years in the 70's to the 90's? Something along those years. Anyways, he recounted going to some furry convention in the 80's and seeing a bunch of furries grope a live dog's testicles, and that really disturbed him. A lot of the behaviour that went on in those cons disturbed him. He really likes anthros (and ponies), but hates the super weird furries, and thus doesn't really consider himself a furry. He seems like a really chill dude. I hope he found a group of like-minded people to hang with.

As for the peds, well, I'm not surprised. You're going to get that in any community with a high amount of LGBT people. I've heard that the /lgbt/ board has the most underageb&s on it compared to any other board on this site.

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>>149348125
See also: Richard Williams Animator's Survival Kit, The Illusion of Life by Frank and Ollie, Cartoon Animation by Preston Blair.
Maybe some life drawing courses.

If you go back and look at any of the"founders" the guys that were straight and I hate to be this blunt, we're just horny nerds that smelled bad, the guys that were gay they were pretty much pedophiles over obsessed with plushies. The two guys with the plushie foxes that they always wore Hawaiian shirts they're fat I have totally blank their names, honestly I really don't want to remember most of them. Eric was never a bad person from what I remember of him but he was definitely very horny, sort of like the guy who created fa he was just a pervert but he surrounded himself a lot of pedophiles, I wasn't around in the 70s or 80s but I definitely know the 90s, there's always been a very strong pedophilic and zoo group in the fandom. There was a one obsessed Disney guy who work for Disney as one of their mascots who would go to conventions dressed as a girl to get to pound it. I'm more pissed off when I see anyone start talking about the fandom from that era mainly because of how they started using the the fandom hated gay people in the 90s and that's why people had issues with other people not that they were literal pedophiles. And you have to remember my definition of a pedophile is not someone who draws a cartoon. You ever hear of danger Doberman, him and his boyfriend and this is just a story I know about two guys are basically hating each other got in the fandom and started doing stupid stuff and next thing you know they shoot a guy and have sex with dogs I remember liking his art. Same thing kind of happened with Eric except he never went as hardcore but he definitely did do some silly stuff in his life regarding his career

>>149352051
that's one of the things that pisses me off is that the fandom is really good at getting people from just being horny little nerds into complete degenerates it's very common place, nowadays it's all in the back rooms if you ever go to work on it happens in the back rooms all the time. Back then it was happening pretty much on the open and that's what a lot of people are complaining about and trying to get those weirdos out, but nowadays those weirdos are actually in charge of most of the fandoms venues who gets invited and blah blah blah. They also turned all those people who said don't do that into villains, there's still complaining about them. Crusader cat that guy I feel sorry for him he was just a little nerd and then they convinced him to jerk off to his cats, and he thought it was normal. He got laid at one convention from some drugged out chick that is never come back to reality. The reason I bring him up is because of his history to find if anyone cares. But there's so many like him there's so many of the fandom who are completely screwed up now, you could go to archives you can probably look up some very old stuff from back in the day and if you go through all the names you'll see if you want to talk about. When I was in the community I thought this stuff was all common knowledge and that it was going to be on the internet forever little did I know. But the documentaries about the fandom are total white washes of the entire history of everything. It should have been a place for a bunch of sad nerds to get together but it got taken over but it actually started you can go back to the history of the beginning of the whole thing it was really started pedophiles never trust anyone with large amounts of plushies that's not a girl that's my word of advice.

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I read your posts and yeah, the furry fandom was founded by some pretty sick fuckers. There's still archived posts from the early 00's of oldfag anons linking to a site called "dolphindreams", which was a site for zoo content, hosted by the current owned of Bad Dragon. You can find these posts on the oldfriends 4chan archives.

Do you mind listing any of these pedo/zoo/groomer greymuzzles that you remember? Names and offenses? Especially those fox guys who were cumming on plushies and giving them to kids.

>>149352051
I mean, that's like blaming the entire lolicon fandom for a small group being a pdf file.

>>149318850 (OP)
Ugh! Sabrina Online was just an insult to anything to furry yet like all insults furries love it to this day.

>>149319535
Eric Schwartz is a faggot who's friends with faggots and does business with faggots, there's nothing straight about him

>>149352233 Mark died, I know it's not Kenneth Poland, I know there are two puppeteers and they would do a show with a fox and they would do it outside as well and they would get little kids to touch their plush Fox puppet and they had just jizzz on it every con. And it would take it back to they're room and lick it/fuck it I'm sure they're on some furry convention video puppet show it's a fox puppet they're two fat old white guys they always wear Hawaiian shirts and have stupid little ears on their caps pretty sure they were thick glasses. I wish I could help you man

>>149352095
I found out about the furry fandom in 2000. But even then people would be talking about things that happened in 93 or in the 80s and it seemed like so long ago then. By then the fandom had split and it was almost sort of like the ruins of a ancient civilization.
Yeah, the fandom was changing and growing. But those first gen furs in the trenches in the 90s had definitely changed and just the toon lovers had largely got booted out by the people who just went to cons to fuck other dudes.

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Does an archive exist of this?

>>149352681
only the first 4 volumes

>>149352051
>I've heard
Ok, anon.

>>149318850 (OP)
I'll be mildly amused when this fat faggot dies of health problems like Dragoneer.

>https://old.sage.moe/b/thread/14632552/#14632552
An interesting read.

>>149339127
>Dickman
Dude will always have the looming shadow of his past to haunt him. Guarantee if that show of his EVER gets off the ground, people are gonna bring it up.

>>149341288
Welcome to the fold, please choose a furry girl as your favorite, usually one from your childhood. If it's cartoons, Sawyer or Fifi. Gaming? Krystal or Freya. Anime? Polly or Renamon. Just some recommendations.

>>149318850 (OP)
Oh boy, how long this thread could last?

>>149352746
link?

>>149353164
If its its managed to last this long then Im sure it will go on as long as outright porn isnt posted and it stays active.
Aside from lusting after cartoon animals I think this thread is honestly one of the better ones, giving focus to some of the more obscure bits of webcomics.

>>149353165
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Red-Shetland
There you go.

>>149352183
>never trust anyone with large amounts of plushies that's not a girl that's my word of advice.
most important thing you've said itt for sure

>>149352609
furry fandom has changed a lot in even the last 10 years
the amount and quality of porn has skyrocketed since even like 2012 or so
not to mention the genuine industry of furry porn
or the explosion of furries in general and the massive change in furry population from where it was in the 80's and earlier with mostly artists or people in the science/tech world
furry fandom is a very interesting microcosm

>>149353263
Yeah. In terms of porn and art the furry fandom has never been better. Due to tools and tutorials being so widespread. The Furry fandom was largely born online (it existed in small circles before the internet) but it really grew with the advent of the internet. It's really one of the first subcultures that did all its growth and growing pains online.