Thread 149320106

Why is no one capable of making animation like this anymore?

>>149320106 (OP)
Because nobody wants to.

Did anyone actually ever like Sweetpea or the Jeep? They're kinda like the first cringe Poochie characters in animation to be honest

>>149320211
I want it.

>>149320106 (OP)
Too much work.

>>149321510
Then you can make it.

>>149320106 (OP)
Lost art, literally.

high effort for low reward

>>149320106 (OP)
“Making a cartoon” to animators today means “selling an IP” because all the drawing has been outsourced.

You guys liked watching Shrek fart too much as a kid so 2D animation is dead.

>>149320106 (OP)
Money.

>>149320106 (OP)
the fuck? Whats with the background it looks like 3D with the depth and layers all moving

>>149321936
>Fleischers' stereoptical process, by which modeled sets provide three-dimensional backgrounds for the action of the film

Ok thats cool as fuck why has no one revived this since most 2D animation software has built in 3D shit.

UPA and theatrical budgets dwindling killed quality cartoon animation.

>>149320211
Cuphead exists

>>149320106 (OP)
what >>149322369 said, there was a whole scene based off these kind of scenes you'd see in Popeye
Saying that, I feel like a lot of "Why doesn't anyone in animation do this anymore" can be answered with a recent animation if people didn't have such terrible memory-hole brain rot

>>149322413
Cuphead the entire game probably has less frames of animation than a single Popeye cartoon, and it took them like 7 years to make it. And it's still nowhere near as intricate as Fleischer animation.

>>149320106 (OP)
Because the amount of care, detail, and soul that went into this scene is nigh impossible to replicate in modern times despite advances in tech.

One, western studios aren't likely to give 2D animation that big of a budget for this level of animation. They would rather give those big budgets to low-effort, low-risk, live-action tentpole movies instead.

Two, very few modern animators have the skill and work ethic to pull this off, especially western animators who rely too much on cheap and quick yet soulless 2D puppet rigs and beanmouth. Indie animators might be able to, but that's a massive undertaking.

>>149320106 (OP)
Most of our animation talent is gone, when Disney and DreamWorks transitioned to 3D they got rid of most of their 2D animation departments. There just isn't much people left here who are able to do it anymore. The few 2D studios left are almost all unionized, so they look elsewhere for cheaper work

>>149322369
Cuphead at least proved that people CAN animate like this when they really want to. Unfortunately, too many millennials and zoomers have had our brains fired and for some reason don't see the inherent appeal in cartoons just being quirky and fun instead of 'le deep lore'

>>149322672
Samefagging to also say that 3D is favored by executives because changes can be made anytime throughout the project. In order to make changes you have to scrap your animation. In a world where entertainment companies don't want to try anything new, it's easy to see which option execs would choose.

>>149320244
>They're kinda like the first cringe Poochie characters
Nope. They both first appeared in the comic strip, and were genuinely well-received. They were never forced or overexposed. In fact, Eugene the Jeep was so popular that the term "jeep" actually comes from him.

>>149323022
>gooning in front of the baby
reprehensible

>>149320106 (OP)
Animation companies aren't run by animators anymore.

>>149321985
>>149321936
neat

it's not that impressive

>>149325001
Shaddup!

>>149323022

MIDIGIET GOONS!

>>149320106 (OP)
I feel like this is some joke being played on the board. The crispness of popeye and sweepea looks like computer animation to me. There's no way it looks that good when being hand animated. Hand animation will always have defects, which adds to it soul. This is computer generated slop for sure.

>>149327195
It isn’t

>>149320106 (OP)
I am capable of making animation like this. I just refuse to do it.

>>149320106 (OP)
That background is actually insane, someone was flexing

>>149320106 (OP)
A strong and proud father taking his mischievous but admiring son for a walk. All beautifully drawn, with many frames, with an insane background. It is great.

>>149327201
I don't believe you. Where's your proof it's old?

>>149327195
That’s because you grew up watching shitty unrestored versions of these cartoons sourced from degraded copies multiple generations away from the original film negatives. The cartoons really did look this crisp when they were first shown in theaters.

>>149328346
>>149328361

>>149320106 (OP)
Rotoscoping is cool as fuck and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>149320106 (OP)
Money

>>149320106 (OP)
High effort low reward, simple as. Even the 3D background looks cool, but fully utilizing that with flat 2d models wouldn't look good at all.

>>149328403
That's interesting, but there's no rotoscoping in that clip.

>>149328403
Not really.

>>149320106 (OP)
Because people are unable to and tell you that Cuphead is the best you'll get.

>>149324898
so THAT’s how they did that part of Popeye Meets Sindbad, huh.

>>149320106 (OP)
It's a lost art at this point.

>>149320106 (OP)
https://youtu.be/W23LKD9Z1hw?t=3

>>149321985
>Ok thats cool as fuck why has no one revived this
Pretty sure I've seen plenty of 2D animation where backgrounds or other elements are rendered in 3D. The reason you don't think it's been "revived" or that nobody is ever impressed by it is that if it's done well, nobody notices, and if it's done poorly, nobody cares. Simply put, it's just not as charming or revolutionary as Fleisher's stereotyping was back in the 30s.

>>149330207
Why is millennial "humor" so unfunny?

>>149330079
The restored version

>>149330230
also, zoomers watch Family Guy a whole lot, so literally, where have you been?

>>149330217
I think you're selling it a bit short when people realize that the background is a 3D set; most people are impressed or find it neat. From the way you're describing it, it sounds like people have gotten bored of seeing it, which is far from the case.

>>149330079
Is that the old guy who invents a bunch of toys for orphans for christmas from the stuff around him?

>>149330344
Oh shit, is this from the Thunderbean Betty Boop Blu-ray?

>>149330416
Yeah, that's Professor Grampy. It's a running gag in his appearances that he can put together a whole bunch of shit just from stuff lying around.

>>149322740
don't blame lore cartoon, that's was a trend of the 2010s that is currently dead yet came about when popeye styled cartoons were already extinct and their death didn't revive them.

>>149330438
Yup

>>149320106 (OP)
be the change you want to see in the world you lazy fag

>>149330416
Yeah

Much like pyramids, we could, but why?

>>149329691
Lies

>>149330485
>>149330647
This guy is such a fond memory. I grew up to resemble him a little.

No one is willing to make 3D sets for a few seconds of film. Sadly.