Thread 149347685

Joel Schumacher was the only filmmaker to get Batman right.

>>149347685 (OP)
Can you believe that ſaggot directed Falling Down?

I get the notion, I get the meme but these Schumacher movies are actually bad.
Colorful costumes and set design and a campy tone in and of itself does not a good film make and that seems to be the reason they've been getting hyped up. The writing is awful, not even bad campy good.

>>149347728
He also directed (and wrote) D.C. Cab.

>>149347706
>this shit filtered Doug Walker and his legion of autists
>>149347728
>>149347865
as well as The Client, The Lost Boys, Tigerland and Phone Booth. He also wrote Car Wash

>>149347685 (OP)
That he didn't kill in the final movie, fine I guess, but still no idea sucked

>>149347685 (OP)
How did he drop the ball with this so badly? He is actually capable of making a decent film, why did he go full Adam West toy commercial with this one movie?

>>149347772
This is why Superman works alone.

>>149347728
Overrated movie

>>149347685 (OP)
We deserved to see Batman Triumphant

I love Batman Forever, that is my eternal opinion on Joel Schumacher's movies.

there is a line between doing something "campy" and other a parody.

>>149347685 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4w24fwi7PE

>>149348189
I smell a redditor (you) a mile away

>>149347685 (OP)
I recall some youtuber saying there was some studio interference Joel wasn't a fan of, so you may want to compare notes before you settle on that contrarian take.

>>149347728
Yeah? All of Schumacher's other movies are pretty serious or at least on the darker side. Ironically it was WB making him gay it up. He had a story about how WB didn't think Nicole Kidman was sexy enough for her role in Forever, so he had her put in the low cut dress to show off her cleavage and had her perform very flirty and breathy to really sex her up
Even the stuff like the nipples and the codpiece came from the costume designers.

>>149347772
>I get the meme but these Schumacher movies are actually bad.
Forever is 6/10 at worst and that's mostly Carrey overacting and dragging everything down. Kilmer was also the first Batman to actually get in shape for the role and not just rely on foam rubber abs.

>>149347685 (OP)
Opposite of reality. His Batman was the worst Batman ever including all mediums.

>>149348006
Studio interference. Forever did SO well that the studio wanted production started the week that the box office numbers came in, Script was cranked out, toy company had more say in the movie than they ever have in any superhero property since(Hasbro arguably had more of a say in the movie than in the DCAU), WB wanting to lean harder into the humor and lightheartedness after Forever did better than Returns. It's a too many cooks situation.

>>149348272
It's still funny to me how often the discourse brings up the rubber suits, nipples etc as some kind of gay marker when the REAL gay content in the Schumacher movies was simply any time Chris O'Donnell was on screen.

>>149347685 (OP)
I see you didn't read Batman comics from the 70s-90s, the only ones any straight fan cares about.

Camp is code for gay

>>149349531
anon did you deliberately use a campy panel

>>149349547
It's not campy, it's epic and dramatic and brooding. You're confusing camp with cheese, and at this point literally anything can be considered "cheesey" as it's just become another code for "thing i dislike"

>>149349996
anon, the epic dramatic brooding nature of the panel is precisely what makes it camp. this is really just the distinction between high and low camp. this is high camp; it is serious but exaggerated and theatrical on purpose. that's what the term means.

>>149350041
No, "camp" means "faggy". Stop using words you don't understand.

>>149350107
I just checked and that anon's surprisingly right.
It seems the notion of high camp was discarded over time and low camp, ironic or otherwise, came to be what people assume camp means by default.

>>149350041
Again you're conflating campy with cheesey, they're not synonyms. Campy is something done flamboyant and tongue in cheek, it's being knowingly stupid. Dark Batman is self serious, played straight for no laughs, and melodramatic, literally the polar opposite of camp

>>149347772
Batman Forever was decent. Batman and Robin is an actual legitimate dumpster fire of baby diapers. Legitimately a worse movie than the original Super Mario Bros.

>>149350041
It's melodramatic, not campy. Campy means something that is gratuitous, exaggerated, or theatrical in a way that is deliberately ironic and/or self aware. That other anon is also right, however, in that "campy" has been co-opted by literal faggots as a way of infiltrating fanbases by labelling anything remotely silly in any way, either conceptually or literally, into being "gay coded".

>>149347905
it was a joke you nog
a joke that Linkara called back to in order to forcibly shove his smugness into

>>149350523
>co-opted by literal faggots

The concept was literally created by faggots.

>>149347685 (OP)
Guilty pleasure of mine.

>>149349531
There's actually a difference between camp and campy.

>>149348833
>He had a story about how WB didn't think Nicole Kidman was sexy enough for her role in Forever,
WHAT?
She was the sexiest woman alive in 1995, were WB fucking blind or something?

>>149347685 (OP)
I liked the cyberpunk-meets-Art Deco Gotham in Batman Forever far more than Burton's GOTHam or any other live-action version. I wish comic books used a similar version of Gotham more often.

DA ICE AGE

>>149353151
>uses a suit that eats diamonds to stay cool
Pretty sure ice was like 75cents for a 10lb bag in the mid-90s.