Why did the movie ride his dick so hard? He's so involved in the mid to final act that you could call the movie 'The Adventures of Superman and Mr Terrific'.

>>149350578 (OP)
i think hes a pretty cool character, does his jacket at least say fair play?

You want the real reason why or the /co/ reason why?

>>149350578 (OP)
I haven't seen it but Mr. Terrific has been the leader of the JSA and was running the Watchtower in the JLU show. He's as good at support as Batman is.

>>149350593
It does, on the arms. It says Terrific on the back as well.
It's was kinda weird that they gave him a sort of blaxploitation voice though.

He is supposed to be smart as Luthor and Gunn remembered that.

>>149350604
>on the arms
to be honest anon i wouldnt expect it to be anywhere else but wdym Blaxploitation? like black dynamite negro talk?

>>149350625
Kinda yeah.
At one point he made what I thought was an All Star Batman reference by referring to himself as 'Goddamn Mr Terriffic' which was probably where the blaccent was the hardest. It wasn't something I found offputting though.

>>149350593

>>149350578 (OP)
Ed Gathegi made sure to include in his contract that he would actually have a substanial role in the film after X-Men did him dirty

>>149350665
thats cool, if i was cool enough to wear a leather jacket id wear it aswell.

>>149350669
That was probably smart because Darwin was so forgettable that I didn't even recognize it was the same guy.

>>149350578 (OP)
We be setting up Strange Adventures.

>>149350601
But he is not Batman.

>>149350578 (OP)
He gets his own cool action setpiece near the end of the second act but he gets shafted in the climax, like he's there but he gets taken out by Engineer.

>>149350593
What does "fair play" mean in Mr. Terrific lore?

>>149350718
its basically "equality for all" or something to that degree. everyone deserves a fair play at the game of life.

>>149350718
Not him but I'll answer it. Holt is extremely gifted, but has had a lot of bad things happen in his life. His older brother, mentally challenged, died. Also lost his love and their unborn child too. Despite everything Holt achieved thanks to his intellect, money and peak physical condition, winning at life, he had nothing of true value and failed the people that mattered most to him. Life simply wasn't "fair", and he contemplated suicide. He was visited by The Spectre, and learned about the golden age Mister Terrific.

In short life isn't always fair, and Holt realized he had the power to set things right

Im kinda glad Mister Terrific is having his moment in the spotlight. Think we'll get The Terrifics later? If Hollywood wants more, well written black characters, they should introduce Vixen at some point too

>>149350777
the gods are not that merciful.

So he is an ally, somebody that helps Superman. That's part of the theme. He was cool and seems to be well liked. Keep trying though.

>>149350791
Why? We're two for 4. Just need Phantom Girl (easy), and audiences would love Plastic Man. I think the shortcut to his uncanny transformations would just be using more red and less exposed skin

>>149350777
Well, Guy and Hawkgirl are both wearing Terrific style costumes and Metamorpho is joining the team so I think the implication is that they kind of are the proto-Terrifics already.

>>149350810
because it wont be well made, anon.

>>149350820
I don't see Hawkgirl and Guy sticking around. Guy might migrate into whatever spins off from Lanterns.
>>149350822
Why do you say that?

>>149350702
No shit. I said he was good at support like Batman.

>>149350855
>Why do you say that?
im still trying to deal with my experience with black adam and the flash.

>>149350777
Speak of the devil
https://gizmodo.com/dc-is-considering-spinoff-shows-for-superman-supporting-characters-2000627876

>>149350911
The former was Dwayne Johnson's massive ego trying to bully his way into WB (and failed miserably), the latter was a nutjob liability whos now probably blacklisted. We're good.

>>149350974
>nutjob liability
it didnt stop DC from letting movies be released.
you know what im trying to say.

>>149350988
>it didnt stop DC from letting movies be released.
It's called contractual obligation
>you know what im trying to say.
No because you're an idiot. We finally have some solid ground with Gunn, and WB will just write checks from now on. That's what they're good at

>>149350988
Because they already spent hundreds of millions of dollars on them? Yhose properties are probably radioactive for a decade and likely why Gunn is emphasizing more obscure minor DC characters for his films like Clayface and Sgt. Rock

>>149350578 (OP)
Is this the gay nigga from Arrow?

>>149350578 (OP)
Is that fucking blackface, dude?

>>149351005
if im an idiot and you cant even understand my point, that would make you more stupid than i.

>>149351020
No it just means you are not conveying it properly and just dancing around it wasting both of our time. Be better, dont blame others

>>149350578 (OP)
The notyet!JSA needed a leader, and he’s fits the role well as the smart one

>>149350578 (OP)
He was SO much better than Mr Terrific from Arrow. I never saw his comics so that was the only Mr Terrific I knew before this.

>>149350665
Link leak

>>149351019
Imagine he takes off the T and the melanin goes away, so it was a white guy.
Which hey, perfect way to maintain a secret identity. Nobody would think he was actually white.

>>149350578 (OP)
If you think about it, the Justice Gang introduction makes him look awful. His fancy scanners don't come up with anything visibly useful, to the extent that he outright asks Clark for a situation report to get the first bit of useful tactical info. Hawkgirl and Guy spend the rest of the scene going toe-to-toe with the big lizard, and then T's winning blow immediately gets him a wag of the finger. His bigger role helping Lois rescue Clark is just building the poor guy back up by showing he's got more empathy that Hawkgirl and Guy (which is the lowest bar possible) by winning a fight that Hawkgirl and Guy also could've trivially won. He spends the final act knocked the fuck out and only wakes up to run a computer program that the computer's technician was already begging to run. Meanwhile, the rest of his team are killing a dictator and stopping a war. He comes out of it all looking like a hero and a nice guy, but he's also clearly the least impressive.

>>149350578 (OP)
Of course they make the "smartest man" black. This is race swap garbage.

Gosh, if only Superman wasn't such a jerk to him...

>>149351016
Yes

>>149350578 (OP)
Because he's black

>>149351165
>Be better, dont blame others
im not blaming anyone? learn some reading comprehension

>>149350777
The Terrifics are basically the exact type of team Gunn likes to write so much.

>>149350578 (OP)
Because Yondu popularized the idea of throwing things at people and looking good doing it

>>149350578 (OP)
Because you need a smart guy there to do computer stuff to figure out how to stop the rift while Superman punches Snyderverse Black Costume Superman and Green Lantern flips off tanks.

>>149352109
>Found family
>Serious Dad type straight man
>Young and earnest sister type
>Wise Asses who are hiding a bunch of pain
Almost tailor made, ain't it? Just needs a goofy animal for his brother to voice.

>>149350718
The real answer is that it was on the original Mr. Terrific's costume and they had to figure out a way to keep it on his successor's costume because it kept literally nothing else about the original.

>>149351782
I don't know how you can say he wound up less impressive than Hawkgirl, whose only successful feats were beating up half a dozen regular goons in a hallway then dropping an old man to his death.

>>149353187
And screeching a lot.

>>149350578 (OP)
>Why did the movie ride his dick so hard?
Because he's cool

So are him and the justice gang just used to getting people killed while saving the city? If Superman wasn't there, tone of people would have died during the Kaiju fight.
It makes me wonder how many people died while they were fighting the dimensional imp without Superman's help.

>>149353172
Okay, but what did it mean on the original, then?

Can't stop thinking about the fact that if you remove the T mask, he's just wearing black lipstick.

>>149350578 (OP)
He's the smartest man on Earth and a pretty major legacy hero. He was honestly overdue for a dick-riding.

Also I just think they did a good job with him.

>>149354214
Counter point. If they had arrived first, the Kaiju would've died long before hurting anybody.
Also, damn there's a Kaiju in that town square and people just don't evacuate lol. The last girl that Supes saves in that scene was literally playing on the pavement while the Kaiju was rampaging behind her.

>>149354235
They made it pretty clear a lot of the civilians had become too comfortable with Superman's protection. Like the guy eating the yogurt while watching.

>>149354235
>the Kaiju would've died long before hurting anybody.
It took Mr. T a while to figure out to blow his stomach up, they wasted so much time on the eyes.

>>149354228
>He's the smartest man on Earth

>>149354228
Isn't he the third smartest or something? Not that it's even relevant at that point

if dc is going to have a black super hero, mr terrific is way cooler than cyborg

>>149354220
He created the "Fair Play" club as an alternative to a gang some kids were in after he beat up the mob boss. There was probably some line about the gangster fighting back with a gun and knives not being fair play, but Mr. Terrific was just naturally born being good at everything, so it's really some broken logic.

>>149354355
Lex is the smartest. Ray Palmer (the Atom) is #2. Mr. Terrific is #3.

>>149354361
Mr Terrific is Cyborg without all the dumb angst baggage and with more cool Batman-style tech wizard normal human shit

>>149354380
>Ray Palmer (the Atom) is #2.
I know we all hate it, but don't they usually say it's Batman?

>>149354339
Yes. He's smarter than Lex Luthor. Lex is just evil and wreckless because of his obsessive personality.

>>149354406
He's in the top ten but a lot of the scientist characters (Professor Ivo, T.O. Morrow, Dr. Sivana, ) are probably still going to be more intelligent. Also, this is just for humans. It you want to add in aliens, characters like Metron or some of the Brainiacs are going to going to be smarter than the humans.

>>149354488
These smart guy comic book rankings are always all over the place anyway

>>149354493
It depends on how much the writer likes them.

>>149354488
I'm just talking about what is actually said in the comics, not about what would make more sense from our perspective.
My point is that more often than not, DC can't help but dickride Batman, so he's more often than not considered either the smartest or second smartest, while you don't usually even hear that from others like the Atoms, Sivana, etc., even if they'd make more sense.

>>149354504
Exactly, and DC just loves Batman, which is why they constantly mention he's one of the top 3 smartest humans, when he really shouldn't even be top 10.

>White Woman seeing Black Man in his element for the first time

>>149354521
There are different types of intelligence. Batman is an excellent strategist and has superior problem-solving skills whereas some of the mad scientist characters are more skilled in other areas like engineering, mathematics, physics, etc.

>>149354533
Your brain is cooked dude

>>149354380
Detective Chimp is still smarter.

>>149350777
>stretchy guy
>token girl
>big monster man
>cool guy (black guy , fire guy in F4)

what in the Fantastic Four knockoff is this shit

>>149354406
Modern character hype has screwed the perspective on a lot of established hierarchies in DC. Batman being depicted as the smartest guy ever, despite there being an established line of dudes ahead of him, is a good example.
Another example is Darkseid being the ultimate DC villain according to many modern fans and writers despite his history which includes getting solo'd by Orion multiple times, getting his ass dragged to the source by Black Racer, getting humbled by Doomsday, getting clowned on by Mxy, hitting a stalemate with Eclipso, and getting mogged by Galactus and having his role usurped by Krona In JLA/Avengers.

>>149354646
A literal intentional one

>>149354730
>despite his history which includes getting solo'd by Orion multiple times
It's nice when the writers actually remember that Orion is supposed to be the one that ultimately defeats Darkseid instead of making him just another JL/Superman villain.

>>149354646
It was done deliberately back when DC was trying to style on Marvel who had a reputation of mishandling legacy characters at the time. People just remember that comic because it was actually good. There were a lot that didn't earn great reputations like their blatant Ghost Rider and Hulk ripoffs.

>>149354730
Also, he was defeated several times by the Teen Titans on TTG.

>>149354380
>Lex is the smartest.
Only in continuities that are gay and lame. The movie wasn't, so clearly he's not the smartest.

Man, if poc kids start fanboying over Terricic over Miles I'll be the happiest nerd ever.

>>149354962
It will be fun to see what happens with Halloween this year of if there are a lot of people cosplaying him at cons in the next couple of years because of this.

>>149354974
He's a pretty easy cosplay too if you go with face paint over a plastic mask

>>149354636
Detective Chimp is the better Detective not smarter.

>>149350578 (OP)
Shut up bitch, it was cool as fuck.

I realized that I have no idea who even designed Mr. Terrific's costume. I forgot he wasn't a Goyer/Johns creation from JSA but actually from Ostrander's Spectre with Tom Mandrake. But he had a totally different outfit there.
It's really hard to find a publication chronology for him, so I'm just vaguely piecing together that he appeared in the Spectre first and then nothing until the JSA reboot with issue 5 in 99. He had a different costume in The Spectre issues, then has this in JSA, credited to Derec Donovan/Aucoin. I wonder if he was the one to redesign him, if he was working off an already made design(Donovan was a fill-in artist and often main artists will have designs ready), or if it appeared before that and I can't find it.
Just kinda interesting because it's a pretty memorable costume but no clue who even made it.

>>149355035
You could say the same thing about Batman being the better detective but not smarter than the various super scientists and inventors, etc.

>>149353172
>>149354369
New Mr. Terrific was also based on him reaching out to these street kids and helping them, but that was dropped pretty early on

White male focused movies aren't allowed anymore, every single thing must have one prominent black guy minimum

>>149355429
Superman was still the focus but there were a lot of supporting characters.

>>149350911
Both those movies were good, bad cgi aside

>>149354050
It's really funny when she screeches as a bird

>>149355429
>this mfer just found out about the black best friend trope

>>149354854
>The movie wasn't [gay and lame]
Lmao

>>149355568
That used to be an occasional thing, now it's mandatory

You guys are really overselling his importance. Outside of his one solo fight scene he's mostly just the generic eye in the sky tech guy.

>>149354646
Wasnt the FF a knockout of Doom Patrol?

>>149354646
A Plastic Man spinoff could work out if First Steps fails to catch on.

>>149354380
>These guys
>Smarter than Sivana
Not the shitty new52 and after one, the real Sivana.

>>149354802
TTG is a parody show anon, you're not really supposed to take anything from that seriously.

>>149356136
The X-men were the Doom Patrol knockoff.

>>149350810
>and audiences would love Plastic Man
yeah but the fx budget would absolutely loathe him

>>149356172
The reason Sivana isn't usually part of the conversation for the smartest guy is because DC doesn't use Sivana enough to demonstrate how smart he actually is.
Every so often you'll see him bend reality with an equation, bring back people from the death or reverse engineering magic, but since characters like Luthor, Batman, and Mr. Terrific are all constantly getting more use, they have more feats of intelligence for people to point at, and more reasons for DC to push as the smartest characters.

>>149354228
>>149354339
Sivana has them both beat

>>149351510
He'd take off the T and he'd have a tanline in the shape of it.

>>149354380
Its a rotating line up but he usually makes top 5-8.

Will always be number one for me since his first realization he was in a zombie apocalypse was to use a fucking time machine over running around like the other heroes and only failed because they used a literal time god to stop it.

>>149353187
Terrific's only successful feats were beating up regular goons (and terrified scientists) and using portal-controlling computers to control portals. At least Hawkgirl didn't spend 20 minutes unconscious, and she actually fought the two kaiju directly.

>>149356172
>>149356251
They were hinting at a return to form last Shazam run but it didnt go anywhere. Shazam stuff is in a weird spot, rarely acknowledged. He's not even with Venus currently, whom hasn't yet appeared in modern canon ever since we started New 52

>>149357131
Shazam lore is fucked all around, and no one has made an honest effort to try to fix it.
I'll never forgive Waid for getting my hopes up.

>>149350578 (OP)
well hes really cool
probably the best black super hero around since blade

Because he was in Justice League Unlimited and the movie is pandering to DCAU millennials.

He's also an easy way to collapse Ted and J'onn's straight man dynamic in the JLI.

>>149356251
Quality over quantity, anon.

Why wasn't he gay? I thought Mr Terrific was gay. He was gay on Arrow.

>>149355429
>>>/pol/

>>149350810
Stretch powers really don't translate well to live action. Uncanny valley hits hard.

>>149357131
I’m becoming increasingly convinced that Shazam as a hero is incompatible with modern day comic writing. I don’t know what’s causing the snag, but if I had to guess it’s that a good Shazam story requires a certain tolerance for stupid ideas that writers nowadays lack. It needs to take itself seriously but also be childish at the same time. kind of like a saturday morning cartoon. the situations are outlandish, the villains are hammy, but the stakes are real.

>>149355429
Fuck off already

>>149350777
I still haven't moved on from this tweet.
I wonder who they'd cast as Plas and Linnya.

>>149350777
I still haven't moved on from this tweet.
I wonder who they'd cast as Plastic Man and Phantom Girl.

>>149357781
>>149357694
You can go back to twitter any time

>>149357711
i bet you could fix that issue if you made plastic man look plastic/rubbery in his human shape

>>149357711
With Eel, you could go the more fun/campy route and really exaggerate the stretchiness or all of the weird stuff he'd morph into.

>>149357711
Plastic Man can have a little body horror. I think he deserves it.

>>149356136
It was Kirby reusing his challengers of the unknown ideas + other things, Mr. Fantastic powers are based in plastic man's.

>>149358537
>My /pol/ramblings will never stop!!!

>>149350578 (OP)
The plot needed a super tech support character. Batman would have filled that role if he was in it. Or Blue Beetle or Cyborg.

I'm aware that people are upset about man of steel, but did they have to course correct so hard and go out of their way to make sure no civilians were härmed or killed?

>>149358195
ben schwartz and oona o'brien

>>149354530
depends on how you see it. he's top 3 in general, but top 10-20 in any specific thing, except detective work where he's number 1

>>149350578 (OP)
Mr. Terrific has been getting shilled really hard for years now.

It comes down to DC really wanting a black guy on the Justice League to stand out that isn't A) Jon Stewart (who they aren't confident enough in to stand on his own vs Hal Jordan) or B) Cyborg (who will always ALWAYS be most associated with TT and they're only realizing years too late after they tried really hard to shill him with New 52)

With those two out, Mr. Terrific is pretty much the only other guy they have which is why they push him really hard in Justice League Action, Injustice, Justice League vs the Fatal Five, and now this as le techie when genuinely Cyborg works better as a techie either way despite his permanent attachments to the Titans franchise.

>>149354533
I didn't know that random soldier's name was CinemaCity. Neat.

>>149359754
That's not DC's problem with Jon Stewart
DC's problem (especially with Geoff involved) is that there are always only two valid Green Lanterns
A) Hal Jordon
B) Whatever FOTM Green Lantern is getting shilled this year be it Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, Soujourner, etc.

>>149359368
>härmed

>>149359853
Jessica Cruz has a nice ass so she gets a pass

>>149350604
>It's was kinda weird that they gave him a sort of blaxploitation voice though.
I know where I'm at, but I never read Terrific in this way. I do think it was an odd choice but overall, I still thought he was great. One of the standouts of the movie, even.

>>149359719
>except detective work where he's number 1
Mogged by Detective Chimp I'm afraid.

>>149359754
I do think Mr. Terrific is better than Cyborg for the role, yeah. In fact, in retrospect, I'm not sure if there's anyone better. I never, ever liked the idea of Cyborg being a core member of the League. Stewart is okay and all, but Terrific feels so much better.

I dunno, am I the only one who feels this way? If anything, I think it's kind of impressive that it took so long for Terrific to get more limelight. He's way cooler than Stewart and Cyborg.

DC needed a new marketable black character to put in there since Cyborg has been tarnished by the JL movie for the normies and John is tied to Lanterns for now

>>149351510
That's a different DC character

>>149350974
>>149350988
You and every other retard who falsely called Ezra a groomer for months before release are the monkeys on a million tablets that caused the Flash to flop.
It was a smear campaign that WB didn’t think would succeed because they had too much confidence in the movie.
Gunn wrote Superman starting in August 2022 at the height of that retardation and Luthor literally calls Clark a groomer with a harem, wouldn’t surprise me if Gunn was inspired by that Flash drama.

The only real issue with Mr. Terrific is that he kinda makes Batman's role in the Justice League a bit redundant. In the League, Batman is mainly the resident techie smart guy. Mr. Terrific is smarter and has better tech.

>>149360352
Batman can the leader/detective guy

>>149360536
Kind of niche. Plus I never saw Batman as much of a leader. He doesn't like being in the spotlight, and it's usually Superman who inspires people.

>Mr Terrific is popular
Wonderful. Can we stop pretending like Cyborg is a JL member now?

>>149360922
BOOYAH!

>For years critics whined about "wahaaaa stop giving us an origin, everyone already knows it"
>Movie literally does that, and assuming you already know who the characters are and their relationships
>"W-why are you dropping us into the universe like this without holding our hand!?"
I never thought a Superman movie of all things would be the great casual filter.

>>149360970
Evidence that you simply can’t please everyone, some people just like to complain and hear themself talk.

Mr. Terrific is lame.
>The name
No one is going to think of Mr. Terrific without then thinking of Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Incredible, characters that immediately stand out more in their mind.
>His powers
His powers is orbs. Just orbs. Orbs that can fly and take on different shapes maybe but it's still just a more limited Green Lantern
>Genius Intellect
We already have a Batman, that and technology is his whole thing. If not Batman, then there's the whole of STAR Labs which has always been Superman's tech support when he needs it. Even Steel would be better.

>>149361043
The whole reason comic movies aim for the origin route is to appease casuals like them, and ease them in. People who actually read the comics don't need that shit. They're getting exactly what they asked for, without even knowing what it was they wanted.

>>149350578 (OP)
OP, how are you gonna ride a soft dick?

>>149360887
Considering the scale of the Bat Family, leadership is just one of those skills that he had to develop over time.

>>149361106
>We already have a Batman, that and technology is his whole thing.
Batman HAS a lot of tech because he pays for his company to develop shit for him on the down low but it's usually someone like Lucius actually inventing it.

>>149361106
You can have more than one smart person on the team. If Mr. Terrific is there handing the gadget and tech support stuff, it frees Batman up to do other things, like being the world's greatest detective unless Detective Chimp shows up or being the world's greatest escape artist unless Mister Miracle shows up.

>>149361106
I agree. Did you see the post credits scene? I bet if it was Batman operating the computer, the line would’ve been even.

>>149354854
It's a lot more satisfying if the villain is more intelligent and more powerful in some way than the protagonists because then they have to actually work to beat him.

>>149350718
Mr. Terrific is right up there with Wildcat, Black Canary, Ma Hunkel, Plastic Man, and Jay Garrick as the corny boomer hero who fight crime while steering the youth away from gangs. Mr. Black Terrific is right up there with Kyle, Cassandra Cain, Larfreeze, Muslim Batman as pretty much Gary Stu made up by boomers who forget Black Lighting, Cyborg, already exist.

>>149361878
>Black Lightning
Caught in some legal mumbio jumbo for some reason
>Cyborg
A Teen Titan, I don't care what pretend otherwise, he is a Teen Titans character before anything else

>>149361922
That's because Justice Guild Boomers cared about a fair society. The 90s was that time everyone went nuts with designs for commercialism. Boomers went senile.

>>149360331
>"Falsely accused"
he literally kidnapped some underaged girl

>>149361106
>still just a more limited Green Lantern
Terrific killed the kaiju and hacked the portals, he seemed way more capable than Guy to me.

>>149350578 (OP)
He was the Batman surrogate. Gunn can't play with Bats until the whole Reeves Pattinson film gets settled, so he likely just changed the name to Terrific

>>149361817
>the line would’ve been even.
They should have had an autistic architect like John Stewart fix it.

Adjusted for inflation Superman needs $260M to match Man of Steels total opening weekend. Do you guys think it can do it?

>>149350777
Plastic Man deserves his own Solo movie
He can join Terrific's team later

>>149357711
Just have Plas be a fully cgi cartoon after transformation
Make it so he looks cartoony (but still occupying 3 dimensional space). Like Roger Rabbit from the sequel test footage.

>>149361952
Proofs?

>>149360210
I think so, yeah. Terrifics only problem is he sometimes gets overshadowed by Batman, but imo Batman should be super smart because he's a polymath and is a genius detective/strategist. Terrific should be a better tech guy than him.

>>149361106
literally every normie i've talked to says Mr. Terrific was their favorite part

>>149350578 (OP)
Because a big part of that movie required a science-based good guy to fuck around with the pocket universe portals and shit.

>>149354361
He's just black batman.

>>149354962
An actual cool masculine black male character in 2025? How is that possible.

>>149355568
Terrific is a Magical negro trope.

>>149350578 (OP)
Is he actually "Terrific?" As in bringing terror?

>>149350578 (OP)
Payback for Darwin getting wasted in First Class I guess

>>149359754
Maybe they should try creating some actual good black characters and they wouldn't have this problem.

>>149360323
His super power is being black and he still cant say nigger?

It was okay.
6/10 but would never watch it again
Editing was really weird in some parts.
Some of the scenes were far too long for what they were
Some scenes I just didnt understand what was going on (Superman flying high when covered in nanites. At first I thought maybe hes flying into the sun but he just falls down? Cant nanite girl and Bizzaro fly?)
Gunn re-used alot of marvel moments again (Terrific having his Yondu moment and Krypto having is Hulk/loki moment at end of avengers with Lex)

>>149354221
If you remove movie Batman's mask he's just wearing eyeshadow, which The Batman showed was kinda cool

>>149362687
>and then he falls down
He crashed down at super speed while they were grappling him, and he was the only one protected because he was covered in the nanites. So the other two got knocked out (Ultraman recovered quickly because Superman clone) while he took the nanite shit out of his mouth.

>>149362717
Yeah but why didnt the 2 flying people just go in the opposite direction. Bizzaro is as strong as super

>>149362720
they were trying to hold onto him so he wouldn't escape. Engineer tries to eject at the last moment when Luthor tells her to get off, but isn't fast enough.

>>149362726
He seemed to be completely incapacitated since his entire organ system was getting shutdown by nanites.
Idk it just was a very weird scene. His falling didnt seem intentional.

>>149360323
I always interpreted this as an inside joke about Brian Michael Bendis

>>149361952
He was literally filming Flash reshoots during the time period the Indian parents said that was happening, so according to you how did that work? Was she stashed somewhere in the WB backlot?
Was Ezra’s mom in on it, since she was also helping the woman out?
Or Option C, you’re a gullible dumbass who has no idea what you’re talking about

>>149362750
What? He was able to fly. That's why they start chasing him because they don't want him to get away before he's dead and get the nanites out. I'm also not sure if her nanites have like, a range.
>his falling didn't seem intentional
It was, Luthor even says "HE'S THE ONLY ONE PROTECTED LET GO OF HIM,".

>>149362770
I understand the intent of the scene. I just feel like it wasnt very clear wtf supes plan was as a viewer. I was also in an Imax theatre and when Luthor yelled I couldnt even hear wtf he said since the sfx was so loud

>>149362787
idk it made sense to me when Luthor said that

>>149362295
Batman's a jack-of-all-trades. If he'd focused on a single discipline, he'd be one of the greatest in the field, but he spreads himself across too many categories. He's As and Bs across to board, but no A+. In terms of sheer versatility, however, he's probably second to none.

>>149350578 (OP)
The only characters that could feasibly fit in the super-scientist role are Mr. Terrific, Steel, Blue Beetle, and Batman.
Blue Beetle is reserved for Jaime
Batman is Batman
Steel doubles down on the Superman franchise when Gunn wants to build the wider universe
Holt was the obvious choice.

>>149350694
Strange Adventures or The Terrifics

>>149362770
>>149362793
He did a Seismic Toss

>>149354355
When they first said #3 it seemed implied that he was the smartest with a ridiculously small margin of error

>>149362942
>Steel doubles down on the Superman franchise when Gunn wants to build the wider universe
I loved Terrific in this movie and I don't mind that they went along with him but it is a little odd that they didn't go with Steel because he could have a very similar function in the movie. I will say that Terrific seems to know more about software and cybersecurity when Irons is more of a hardware guy though.

>>149362642
he's made OP clutch his purse that little bit tighter, yeah

>>149350578 (OP)
I don't know I liked him and it made sense for him to be part of the plot more near the 2nd and 3rd act

>>149350759
damn that's pretty kino, I might check out some Mr.Terrific comics then

>>149354962
God I hope so, he was pretty great in the movie

honestly glad their shilling Mr Terrific. Great addition that cyborg could never fill since his association with the TT is way too cemented culturally. He was pretty cool this film.

>>149363105
>Goyer/Johns JSA
>Rucka Checkmate, Final Crisis Resist, and JSA v Kobra
>The Terrifics (both Lemire and Yang runs)
>King Strange Adventures (/co/ hates this and critics love it)

Just how smart is he

>>149363151
thanks for the recs anon, you're a bro

>>149350578 (OP)
He filled a role in the narrative as someone that was able to support Supes and deal with the technology side of Luthor's plans. He can fill a Batman-esque role and they didn't want to pull the trigger on Batman himself yet. He's got a cool vibe and has been a fairly prominent character in the comics for a couple decades now. Plus they can use him later on to connect to JSA and The Terrifics movies if they want to.

>>149363192
3rd Smartest Man on the planet. 1 and 2 kinda shift around depending on who you ask. Notable intellectual juggernauts would be
>Lex Luthor
>Ray Palmer
>T O Morrow
>Doctor Sivana
>The Brain
>Batman
>Niles Caulder
Etc Etc.

>>149350578 (OP)
>mfw the monkeys typing supershit was real
And on a few moments later lex literally shoots and kills the pajeet that Superman talked to before. I liked the movie a lot but the tone in certain sections could be super weird.

>>149363236
he's also a black dude so they can say the entire cast isn't whytepipo

Any chance of seeing a DCU Steel? Love that guy.

>Doctor Fate, your patient just anesthetized himself

>>149363294
This time played by LeBron

>>149363151
Nta but read some of this already but never did get around to The Terrifics or Strange Adventures.

>>149351799
Batman is the smartest man. Luthor is second and Mr Terrific is third

>>149350578 (OP)
>>149350593
Superman was in the movie?!?

>Filtering Snyderfaggots
>Filtering casual normies
>Filtering petentious film cucks
>Filtering slop eaters
I'm sorry for ever doubting you Mr Gun

>>149354434
He’s not smarter according to DC editorial, any of the “landmark” DC writers (Waid, Morrison, Johns, Snyder, etc.), statements in canon, or showings of intelligence. The only instance of Mr T being possibly more intelligent is his one personal statement of “I’m only third because I’m a lap ahead of everyone”, even though Lex also has statements of calling him the smartest man on Earth.

>>149363532
Genuinely don't get how people could hate it. The direction alone has so much more personality than the last decade of Marvel crap
>the scene where the government dude closes his suitcase and cuts to lois unlocking her door
>Hawkgirl drawing the dictator and cutting to guy from the daily planet putting his pill in his water

>>149363552
I thought I was gonna cringe the entire time but I really fucking enjoyed it. I really hope more iconic supes villains like Parasite show up. Loved him in STAS.

>>149363552
dropping*
>>149363565
I'm just waiting to see how they do lobo, and maybe even bring back the SM clone as bizarro

>>149363552
>>149363565
Having rewatched Superman TAS before this, it hit me several times throughout the movie this is basically a DC animated movie turned live action. This the fhe first "comic book movie" that felt like it was made for comic book fans, actual comic book fans, people who have followed these characters for years in media outside the movies.

Every complaint I've seen levied at this movie that isn't grifter whining is how this movie throws you into the deeper end of the pool instead of easing the audience in, the very thing they complained about for years and "already knowing Superman's origin so you can just skip it", well they did, and this is the result.

I WANT TO FUCK HAWKGIRL
I WANT TO FUCK SUPERGIRL

AHHHHHHHHHH

>>149363629
this except I kind of like the Superman in this movie than the DCAU one. It was obvious Timm and crew didn't really know what to do with the character, so in S:TAS he's kind of boring, then in JL/JLU he's just this hotheaded, almost unhinged, retard who always jobs (the jobbing part got better as the show went on but it was fucking bad in the early seasons).

how does the t-mask work

his fight scene was cool

>>149363686
nanomachine tech that lets him control the orbs and sticks to his face

>>149363691
why a T
and even if you want the T why not cover the rest of the face at least

>>149363701
>why a T
because he's Mr. Terrific
>why not cover the rest
his identity isn't secret. The mask is just for iconography/to control his spheres.

>>149363629
>>149363670
It honestly reminded me of the Rami movies, where it fully leaned into the comic book parts of the character while also feeling like a real movie (both things which marvel haven't done since I don't even know). It just has a really fun energy and felt cohesive even with all of the different characters and stuff. I kind of wish the fight scenes were a bit longer, all of them were pretty great but I wish the Stadium one had like another minute. Also dammit,, I was hoping to see her Hoover

>>149363706
I hope he puts on a lower-case t mask when he sleeps

>>149363726
more* hoover

>>149363732
no anon he just takes it off don't be silly

>>149363726
there are some parts where going full comic book goes off the rails, like when the stakes don't make sense

massive monster and people are just standing around, not running away
adjacent city (block?) is getting annihilated but we gotta keep this rooftop party going
the rift also gets forgotten for about 10 minutes while superman punches not superman
lex has hacked into traffic cameras but somehow he doesn't know superman is clark despite clark not doing any particular opsec

>>149363762
There's also the fact that superman, despite literally saving a squirrel, decided to not fight that weird membrane monster just because people started hating on him more with the message he got from his parents. It just feels extremely out of character

>>149363795
dunno seemed like the other guys had it under control and it wasn't at risk of harming anyone. was more of a pest than anything

>>149363795
That one was fine, it's implied that the other folks can handle it, and more than that he was basically a criminal on the run at the point. I wouldn't be surprised if the gang didn't even want him getting involved at that point as it'd complicate things.

I am surprised he didn't at least say "okay now I'll go deal with this guy and turn myself in"

>>149363803
>>149363811
the justice gang (based on the kaiju fight) weren't that concerned with protecting people, which was basically supermans whole thing. It just seemed weird how he basically just kind of stopped caring and wasn't concerned at all. Obviously we don't see the fight up close so we don't know the entire situation, but feels weird for him to be so calm about it

>>149363865
but they're fighting it in the sky, nobody seems to be in danger unless there's planes in the area I guess.

>>149363865
arguably superman was just as bad because he was more concerned with keeping it alive to analyze it than taking it down asap for safety

>>149363762
>>149363795
See, this kind of shit I feel goes under this motto
https://youtu.be/4Ugebzq3juE?si=xnPPkXAvSbzpWYOY

I'm happy this movie doesn't go out of its way to justify some Cinema Sins ass complaints that add nothing to the story being told and actively spits in their face whenever it can.

Movies shouldn't be taken literally, and people shouldn't dig into every last meaningless detail. Because doing that has actively ruined films for years

>>149350759
Sick art, is that Alex Ross?

>>149363870
Was it completely in the sky? Again, I can't say for sure what it could do since it was so far away, I just think superman deciding not to get involved in anyway was a but much
>>149363876
to be fair he just wanted a way to get it out without killing it, so it could go to an alien zoo or something
>>149363899
except were not talking about supermans powers and pocket dimensions, it's about character motivations

>>149363795
He told Lois it was just a "dimensional imp" so it seems like it was just Mxy fucking with people and being a troll, so he wasn't really worried once he saw the Justice Gang dealing with it.

>>149363911
>was it completely in the sky
looked to be, yes. and idk, he described it like it was just some pest so I imagine it's not a big deal. Like a cop not getting involved in a traffic stop when someone else has it covered.

>>149363911
If the monster in the background of the scene was supposed to be taken seriously on any level, they would've focused on it. As is, it's a funny background event that has no bearing on Clark's character.

Even if you wanted to be pedantic about it Guy, Terrific, and Hawkgirl were clearly having no issues with it and its not even brought up again, so it doesn't matter.

>>149363925
>>149363933
oh yeh I forgot about that line, I guess that makes it better. Not completely sold on the 180 but it works

so what exactly was Lex's plan when he got to the fortress, since he got insanely lucky with that evil message? Just trash the place as a fuck you to superman?

>>149363899
>I'm happy this movie doesn't go out of its way to justify some Cinema Sins ass complaints that add nothing to the story being told
I don't think it should be treated as a plothole or anything, but more as a flaw. The way I think about it is: how much work would it have been to just fix it?

Like needing to stop worrying about the rift for 10 minutes so we can focus on Superman's fight? Fine, necessary.
But folks not running away? That was intentionally filmed, and I have to ask why. Why film them standing around rather than running? Why not film the rooftop as being full of people who evacuated there, which adds to the stakes even further?

>>149363954
dig up things to fuck with superman. don't really need a plan, he was just there to ransack his house. maybe he had a stash of hentai

>>149363954
he said, look for any evidence he could find against superman to convince the DoD he couldn't be trusted.

>>149363962
>>149363963
so what was he gonna do if he didn't find anything?

>>149363957
If you're talking about the monster, intentionally done because a giant kaiju isn't insane in this universe. So some people treat it like Californians would a mild earthquake.

>>149363968
dunno, forge something. he didn't know what he'd find, just hoping he'd find something.

>>149363968
Make stuff up. Like he did the entire rest of the movie, with the overseas conflict, the kaiju, cloning him, etc.

>>149363983
>dunno, forge something. he didn't know what he'd find, just hoping he'd find something.
Exactly. This is the first time we've had a good depiction of Lex Luthor, one who would win at any cost.

>>149363968
steal his stuff and wreck his place? or just go home? it's not like lex doesn't take active joy in fucking with superman

>>149363726
yeah I do wish Superman vs Ultraman during the stadium had lasted just a bit longer. Have mr terrific hold off engineer for just a smidge of time.

>>149363990
for a while I was thinking "wait, so Lex is just after some stupid land again?"

and then they subverted it (correctly) by saying the land was just a means to kill superman

>>149363983
I guess I just like how convenient Superman's parents being evil was for his plan, having it be faked >>149363989 would probably work fine since that's what lex was already doing

>>149364000
>1978 Lex wants to kill Superman so he can enact his real estate scheme
>2025 Lex wants to enact his real estate scheme so he can kill Superman
kek

>>149363954
her tits were so good in Louder Than Bombs

>>149364000
>for a while I was thinking "wait, so Lex is just after some stupid land again?"
>
>and then they subverted it (correctly) by saying the land was just a means to kill superman
Excepting JLU we never get Luthor's character hitting upon his obsession with superman, it's not a "dislike" of superman he's obsessed. Obviously it's an obsessive hatred though.

>>149364014
I want to get into the DCAU proper but the batman episodes are so slow (even if pretty)

>>149364010
it's like pottery. Also I enjoyed the Bezos/Musk version of him here, seeing him sperg out more and more and nearly destroy the world just to get back at superman was great

>>149364024
my only issue with Lex is that he's already too powerful. jesus fuck having a pocket dimension prison and already having a clone superman, does he even need the government's permission to kill superman at this point?

I didn't expect his voice to be so normal
>>149364036
You don't know that much about how lexcorp started and really anything about lex's history, even if we know superman has been around for 3 years, so it didn't really bother me that much. He already stated that he doesn't like metahumans in general, it's just that superman specifically pisses him off

>>149364063
my other question is why is it called luthorcorp and not lexcorp

did he inherit it and he'll have an arc later where he turns it into lexcorp? or is this some other comiclore I don't know

>>149364071
oh yeh I forgot it's called luthorcorp. I don't know honestly, I think some other anon explained it

>>149364071
>>149364084
Gunn said in an interview that he named it Luthorcorp because he's a Smallville fan.

>>149364071
>>149364084
>Luthorcorp
Gunn is a Smallville fag and most people in the real world don't name their companies after their first names, and also said it leaves the door open to involving his parents if they want to do that.

>>149364021
I mean if you really want to you can skip T:BAS ( even though it's great ) and go straight to Justice League/JLU. Because of the Bat-Embargo at the time the only Bat characters who are allowed to show up are Batman, Joker (for like 3 episodes and that's it) and Clayface once, and I assume you know at least who Batman and Joker are.

>>149364117
B:TAS I mean

>>149364112
lex isn't most people though
>>149364117
too late I'm already watching The: Batman Animated Series

>>149364126
>lex isn't most people though
yes but he inherited the company, not started it. so it makes sense it would be called LuthorCorp after his father before it's renamed to LexCorp

I don't get why people are so angry about the "immigration" part of the story, the conflict between superman wanting to fit in with humanity has nearly always been a part of his character, and the movie doesn't really change it aside from his parents being evil.

>>149364314
people want to be angry about something

i actively dislike Krypto.

>>149350578 (OP)
Terrific is just as gary sue DEI as modern Panther
>inb4 but he came before woke was a thing!
And he was woke back then, he's an Ostrander creation.

>>149350669
I watched the movie on TV and this was the moment I turned it off because it was so fucking retarded

>>149361432
No, Batman was always a genius engineer and inventor. It's something that's kinda less pronounced after the Silver Age, but it props up a lot. People tend to forget this, but the roots of Batman's character was that he was supposed to be something of a Renaissance man. He wasn't even that rich in his earliest days. Wealthy enough to do what he does, but hardly one of the richest men in the world. Among superheroes, he's basically the prototype for characters like Booster Gold.

>>149361432
No, Batman was always a genius engineer and inventor. It's something that's kinda less pronounced after the Silver Age, but it props up a lot. People tend to forget this, but the roots of Batman's character was that he was supposed to be something of a Renaissance man. He wasn't even that rich in his earliest days. Wealthy enough to do what he does, but hardly one of the richest men in the world. Among superheroes, he's basically the prototype for characters like the original Blue Beetle.

>>149364950
trying too hard there

>>149363500
this is the retard casual take

>>149363500
Even on JL and JLU, (which were notorious for Batwank) Batman himself said that he wasn't the smartest person on Earth. There was an episode where Batman was trying to figure out who built a highly advanced fusion cannon and he deduced that there were only three people on Earth who were intelligent enough to make something like that and since two of them were already JLU members who were offworld at the time, then Lex Luthor must be responsible.

>>149357758
You say this like Grant Morrison hasn't made an entire career out of doing exactly this or that Gunn didn't essentially make this sort of movie with Superman.

>>149363726
I was shocked when she went into the ship and claps or something and her tits bounce for half a min straight. Was very 2000s sexual kino, marvel would have put her in a pinstripe 1 piece suit

>>149359754
Not seeing how any of that is shilled unless we are counting existing as shilled now.

>>149350759
Son is alive.

>>149365747
>her tits bounce for half a min straight
that was her entire character in the suicide squad too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLfwsEPHjY

So when you guys read comics with Mr Terrific in them what voice did you imagine he had?

>>149360210
I don't think he needs to be in the role. The problem is you need someone with an odd ball power set or brings something to the table. Bats gets shilled to hard as being a genius that techice captain america isn't going to cut it. It is same problem Aquaman struggles with.


I think the best DC could do is find/create some minority magic user and push them to JL status. Its a major niche that is open on the team that nobody is really versed in. Sidesteps GL wars, public will accept any char, and nobody gives a fuck about /pol/ fanboys.

>>149365832
I guess more of a classical Hollywood black voice. Like Cyborg in JL but way less edgy and more authoritative. Like a black community leader or something.

>>149365832
Something like a softer spoken Michael Dorn.

>>149362908
>>149362295
another advantage batman can have over terrific is breadth, sure his plane isn't as good as terrific, but bats has a loads of them, stashed across the country, just in case,

>>149364063
I really didn't like his voice but I didn't have a problem with him otherwise.

>>149362959
Or even a weird combination of the two.

I generally liked Terrific in the movie, but think the script could have been tightened up to highlight the contrast between him and Superman.

> lose the GotG knockoff bubble fight scene
> give Superman time to actually resolve the Boravia conflict while he stalls the rift with hacking injected code or something
> drop Hawkgirl from the movie entirely

those were my main takeaways.

>>149363247
That was actually the part where I was sold on Hoult's Lex, that felt like classic silver age antics.

>>149350578 (OP)
Because he’s fucking awesome, why else

>>149361586
Batman at the end of the day is a glorified street level character. Mr. Terrific is the better version. He could even work as a cosmic hero with his knowledge on the matter

>>149350655
That was definitely an All-Star Batman reference. Hell, this film made a reference to Superman vs Alien and one to DWJ's Untitled. The only un-Superman thing in the movie was Superman losing a fight which for decades DC mandate said that was something he could never do. And here, our story begins with "Superman has just had his shit pushed in."

>>149350578 (OP)
Because he's black and due to DEI bullshit- is that what you wanted to hear, OP?

>>149366678
Batman at the end of the day is the avatar of the Aztec God Camazots, and protected and aided by divine intervention, is able to predict and plan for every opponent he faces off against and defeat them. Batman with prep time is the most unstoppable force in the DC universe.

T... time to... leave?

>>149366785
lol

why is this movie flopping so hard in the worldwide box-office

>>149359754
Martian Manhunter human form is usually black

>>149350578 (OP)
Seeing the movie later today. Do we get any good fighting involving the T-spheres? The addition of orbiting drones makes for interesting potential (using them as floating platforms for jump kicks, additional punches from crazy angles, etc).

>>149366848
The world is fed up with capeslop, mainlydue to all the shit MCU movies. Only USA still likes it.

>>149366848
I'm seeing it chewsday with my dad cause he gets the old ass discount that day

>>149367032
Yes, he basically fights like Star Lord and carries the second and third act. It should be called The Mr Terrific Movie feat. Superman and the Justice Gang.

>>149359754
>>149359754
Mr. Terrific was part of the JSA in the 90's my casual friend

>>149367032
He gets a big fancy setpiece with them.

>>149350578 (OP)
Maybe their abilities are similar in the comics, but Terrific and Hawkgirl felt like Gunn writing Wonder Woman and Batman. But he didn’t want to choose casting for those two this early on, so he switched them to be other heroes of similar toolkit. I mean seriously, with Terrific it was not even subtle
>super smart high tech deadpan no nonsense man with a cold attitude and multiple contingency plans.

>>149366722
Given that he's essentially losing a fight to himself I think that gets around that mandate, which is something I kind of doubt exists given how one of the go to stories for Superman adaptations seems to be "let's bring back Doomsday do his death again"

>>149367106
comparing hawkgirl to wonder woman is too generous, she just felt like a leftover Suicide Squad character here.

Reminder that SUCKperman got mogged by some goofy midget.

>>149351267
Arrow Terrific just took too long to grow into the role. Too much time being Felicity's secondary tech guy.
There was a cool Terrific in the Justice League cartoon.

>>149355429
Nothing wrong with that.

>>149365980
I remember the leaks saying this movie was going to be like a Kingdom Come thing, only it starts off with the previously established heroes being super edgy before Superman comes along, and it's more like they're only kinda edgy.

With the Engineer already being in the movie, I kinda feel like they could've cut Hawkgirl (not that I didn't like her) and replaced her with someone else from The Authority. Swift would've worked really well actually and I wouldn't be surprised if Hawkgirl was originally supposed to be her.

They could've wrote the Engineer to be way less sympathetic towards Luthor and way less villainous, and more like, "The fuck you mean you want to start a war to kill Superman and to profit? That's fucked.". Then have the Authority team member as being kinda opposite to Guy Gardner's reaction to the Boravian conflict, where they're instead super gung ho on the idea, but also clearly blood lusted with the idea of killing tyrants to the point where even Superman is actually disturbed.

Then have the Authority teammember and the Engineer meet, the former like, "You don't have to work for Luthor," but also calling Superman a corny boy scout and showing him contempt asa well. The Engineer, not really being a fan of Luthor or Superman clearly is impressed with his attitude and her last scene in the movie is clearly considering an offer to join them for a future team.

>>149352673
>Snyderverse Black Costume Superman
That was literally right out of the comics

>>149350578 (OP)
I liked him better than Supes
He was a better translation from comics to screen

>>149354235
>>149354246
People getting so used to destruction alarms and evacuation warnings that they start slacking off on their own protection is pretty realistic, actually.

>>149350665
The Lordtech logo on everyone's suit felt forced but I'm gonna say Terrific looked fucking spot to the comics beyond the visible eyes

>>149359569
>Ben Schwarz
I hate his voice too much but I think he could nail the mannerisms. Honestly if he wasn't so damn old I'd just say Tom Kenny like BATB

>>149362769
Ok Ezra

>>149367540
I liked how they came up with an excuse to give him the white eyes as well as a compromise.

>>149363629
Yeah I thought the quick loredump at the start was plenty enough, hell the fact we're even using the term "metahuman" in this movie is astounding. I do think some of the backstory sharing for the side cast was clunky but it made its points well enough

>>149363629
>This the fhe first "comic book movie" that felt like it was made for comic book fans, actual comic book fans, people who have followed these characters for years in media outside the movies.
Idk if I'd say it was the first but it's probably the most comic book-feeling superhero movie. Like it genuinely feels like this could've been the first six issue arc of a Superman reboot or something.

>>149367653
Yeah Guy dropping he was chosen to be a Green Lantern like twice was definitely forced.

>>149365025
>My ability is to never die
>Gets killed
I remember a ton of people joking about how being the black guy in an action/horror movie is a curse so powerful that even the black guy that's literally immortal in source non-film media had to die as a message.
Which in that movie didn't even make sense because Darwin still could have just been incapacitated from it (turned into lead or something idk) and been out of the movie to show up in future films once he finally got disturbed again.

>>149367974
>Yeah Guy dropping he was chosen to be a Green Lantern like twice was definitely forced.
It honestly didn't feel forced because Guy is the kind of asshole that would constantly talk himself up like that.

So why the fuck does every single Gunn protagonist have an evil father?

>>149368530
also, not pictured
>Bloodsport's father who used to lock him inside a rat full of crates and gave him ratphobia

>>149368564
also, not pictured
>Bloodsport's father who used to lock him inside a crate full of rats and gave him ratphobia

>>149350578 (OP)
The Adventures of Superman and the Man of Steal

>>149363901
Yeah he did a bunch of JSA portraits

>>149364024
Yeah I was surprised they were pretty restrained on the direct Muskisms with Lex outside of a few bits. And most of that fit with Lex's character anyhow

>>149364314
The immigration stuff would have flown under the radar if Gunn didn't make such a big deal about it a few days ago

>>149367636
Yeah I thought it was a nice moment to do the white eyes and felt like a reasonable thing to do without JUST being fanservice

>>149368122
It was forced for Guy because it never felt natural for him to bring up. He certainly would bring it up unprompted for sure but when he did it never felt like a natural occurrence to do so.

>>149368912
Controversy equals cash.

>>149350974
the nut job liability who was innocent the whole time? an hero you fucking lying cunt

>>149368530
He puts a lot of stock into the families we choose over the families we're born into. Notice how many times he writes for ensembles. He also likes messages of nurture over nature (except for Brightburn which was necessary to get evil Superman out of his system.)

>>149368994
Still at it huh?

>>149367617
Nah, other anon was right

>>149369003
>Non-response
Pathetic.

>>149368582
What about Ratcatcher II'S dad?

>>149369000
He had nothing to do with Brightburn outside of slipping his cousins some cash to make it. He did not write or direct.

>>149359853
>Jon Stewart

*John

>>149359754
>A) Jon Stewart (who they aren't confident enough in to stand on his own vs Hal Jordan)
Are we sure this isn't just Johns having a preference?

>>149362657
The guys at Milestone won't help them.

>>149369026
Pathetic is still simping Ezra Miller two years after his career ended

He didn't even get any mention of his backstory which could have been a touching moment, Gunna just made him a generic no nonsense black guy.

>>149369000
>He puts a lot of stock into the families we choose over the families we're born into
It makes sense that the movie ends with Superman watching his adoptive parents's footage

>>149369606
Neither did Guy, Hawkgirl, Metamorpho, or Supergirl.

I actually liked the movie.

>>149350578 (OP)
I liked him way more than I thought I would. I'm glad he got a decent amount of story.

>>149369762
same.

>>149366678
>street level
Back in the Golden/Silver Age, Batman got into crazy shit all over the world. The reason he keeps getting pulled into shit way above his grade is because of this era. You can't just not have Batman fight aliens and monsters and deal with crazy nonsense. Half the reason he's one of the most enduring superheroes of all time is because of the extraordinary adventures he's gone through. Back in the Golden and Silver Ages, he was basically treated as Superman's equal.

The idea that Batman should be "brought back down to earth" and be more "grounded" is something that more or less started in the 80s. Ever since then, there's been a decently large camp of Batman fans who believe that Batman shouldn't be so extraordinary anymore.

>>149355429
Well at least we got Klu Klux Krypton.

>>149350669
Remind me what is this scene? I genuinely have no idea what this is

>>149369582
>still trying to make predictions after being wrong about literally everything else, including fucking kidnapping of all things, kek
Swing and a miss either way, dude is working while retards like you are still crying over things that didn’t happen, sad
https://people.com/ezra-miller-books-next-screen-role-after-scandals-11742552

>I’m a punk rocker yes I am

>>149370249
music was cringe
Gunn has the gayest taste

>>149370387
Yeah, the end credits theme was out of place.

>>149362168
>Plastic Man deserves his own Solo movie
I'm sorry but no one actually cares about Plastic Man as a solo character, he doesn't even have any notable supporting cast or villains.
And whenever he's brought up, it's always from a team or crossover story, people like Plastic Man, but not as a solo character.

Nothing fucks this board up more than a Superman movie.

>>149370122
Mr Terrific actor played Darwin in X-Men First Class
Darwin is the mutant whose mutation is evolution to survive. He's functionally immortal. Exploded so he became energy. Killed by a norse death god so he became death. Kidnapped and plugged into a computer and killed so he became AI. Overpowered to the Nth degree.

So of course he's the first to die in that mediocre overrated fucking movie.

>>149350669
Why didn't he turn into rubies like cyclops visor

Boravia did nothing wrong.

>>149350578 (OP)
Because he's getting his own movie. That's why there's so many characters in this besides Superman. Gunn wanted to waste no time making the DCCU.

>>149371989
Maybe a toned down Strange Adventures?
Sci-fi mystery without Phoenix becoming a crater, or turning Adam Strange from a shitty husband into a planet-wide traitor.

>>149350759
>>149350777
>>149350578 (OP)
Yeah he's a character who doesn't have enough mythos to really be stand-alone in a film or video game or anything, but he makes a great side-character especially in Justice League team-ups.

I don't mind that they used him and gave him a big role, he's always been pretty cool (haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure if it's good or not, just saying I'm glad Mr Terrific is getting some love).

>>149369943
I like both. I like the idea of Batman TRYING to state street-level but ending up getting dragged into world-saving or cosmic stuff, by proxy. It's a fun balance.

But I've always wanted a story where Batman just gave up and said something was beyond his ability or Out Of His League (see what I did there).

>>149371989
You know, as someone who bitched about BvS and theatrical JL hard, it's amazing how well Superman actually worked. Coming from someone who wasn't really a big fan of the Snyderverse, a lot of the ideas that went into those movies could've worked, if they were actually executed well. Which they really weren't.

Which just makes it funnier that Snyder fans defended them as hard as they did. Turns out people would've changed their tune if they had actually delivered good movies, but they fucking didn't.

Hell, the new Superman has more superheroes than BvS, with speaking roles, but it all feels seamless and organic. But the way it was done in the latter was just weird.

He was bland and his fight scene kinda sucked.

>>149359853
Once again Kyle Rayner gets fucked over.

I'm sick of Superman being this beta male cuck. Snyder had it right. Superman is a god, he will lead humanity into greatness. Kicking and screaming if he has to. Humanity should be like ants to him. He is the ubermensch.

>>149359853
People still bitch about Sojourner when she only really had one real book, that was actually pretty good. If anything, they don't do enough with her. There should be an anthology GL book running where she's a recurring character who gets a short arc or an issue every now and then.

>>149372104
(You)

>>149350694
I really wish Tom King wasn't so involved with the DCU.

>>149372486
Unrelated but I could've been working in comics and gotten my shit adapted by now if I had just taken the plunge years ago

>>149357711
Make it animated then.

>>149350578 (OP)
There's definite Captain Marvel style shilling going on with him. They were printing articles about how popular and show stealing he was the second the movie came out, how this is a make up for his character dying in the X-Men movies and all this other shit. Basically it seems like Gunn/Warner descided he's going to be the Gunnverse's Black Panther and is going into shill overdrive to try and astroturf it into reality.

>>149354758

More than just that it was the last era Marvel was intentionally trying to shove them off to the side cause they were bitter about their movie rights. And DC basically went fuck it here's an F4 comic.

>>149365696
get one of those guys on a Shazam cartoon pronto then.

>>149350578 (OP)

>>149372014
>I like both. I like the idea of Batman TRYING to state street-level but ending up getting dragged into world-saving or cosmic stuff, by proxy. It's a fun balance.
I think it's generally accepted that Batman has already been operating for a while by the time Superman becomes a big figure and kickstarts the modern age of superheroes. so you have Batman fighting street crime for a few years, he's good at it, he's used to it, then he gets a call from this new Superman fella because there's an alien invasion coming and they need all hands on deck, and they know Batman has experience. and it's way above his paygrade but Batman's gotta pitch in because hey, you don't say no to saving the world. next thing you know he's on the Justice League doing this sorta shit every month.

Lookin' forward to seein' black nerds wearin' FAIR PLAY jackets

>>149372046
it felt organic. It felt natural that this world is used to super technology, metahumans and superheroes flying around. Which is a far cry from snyderverse where everything felt so dark and grim and heroes are untouchable gods.

>>149372963
DBZ has a monopoly on the black nerd market, there's nothing anyone can do about it

>>149367109
Technically, they kill each other at the same time.

>>149373028
Naruto would like a word with you.

>>149373110
I don't need any words for Naruto

>>149372046
Superman felt like the last third of a season of a show on season three and that was by design. Everything felt organic because it leaned into assuming the audience knows what's going on. Superman is the good guy, Lois Lane is his girlfriend, Jimmy Olsen is his friend, Perry White is his boss, Lex Luthor is his archenemy. If the audience doesn't know Steve Lombardi and Cat Grant, they do now. They are Superman's co-workers. The Justice Gang is much the same, they are other heroes who knows Superman and he trusts them. Because this isn't world building overnight, this is leaning into a world that has been building since 1938.

>>149350578 (OP)
Better than trying to shove Cyborg into everything. GOD that was a stupid and lame period.

Yes, it should have been Steel. Yes, that writes itself, he's his buddy, his War Machine. Yes, Irons is one of the best black guys in all of DC, but... Mr. Terrific is a pretty good alternative.
I mean I heard this movie sucked, but that was not a bad idea.

>>149373141
This guy is a literal Naruto fan and Naruto is gay. You haven't seen black dudes with sharingan tattoos? Or seen Akatsuki drip?

>>149373230
>They are Superman's co-workers
Speaking of co-workers, does Ron Troupe have a single line in this movie? I swear he appears out of nowhere when Perry tells everyone to get on the T-Sphere.

>>149373251
You heard wrong on this movie sucking. And Mr. Terrific works for what he needs to be, someone who is strong in an area where Superman is weak.

>>149373251
Cyborg was great in Doom Patrol and you're objectively wrong if you think otherwise

>>149350578 (OP)
Superman stories tend to have other heroes involved. Superman works better on a team imo.

>>149372987
Not only just that but MoS clearly wasn't intended to launch a cinematic universe, so when you had a ton of other heroes pop up in BvS out of nowhere, it felt weird and forced.

>>149373230
Yeah I was worried when I heard the Star Wars comparisons or heard that it started off with a text scroll. But everything came together and worked really well. This isn't necessarily 'our' world, this is a world where metahumans, monsters, magic, etc., has existed and the world has known for quite some time now. Which I think is the 'correct' approach to tackle the DC universe. It's this amazing world where anything can happen in the comics. The Snyderverse's attempt at constantly grounding things in reality didn't really work for me.

>>149373910
>so when you had a ton of other heroes pop up in BvS out of nowhere, it felt weird and forced.
there was also the problem where the introductions themselves were weird and forced

I honestly don't have a problem with Gal Gadot/WW overall, other than that her second movie sucked hard ass. But the part where the whole movie stops to have Ben Affleck watch teaser clips of random DC superheroes do boring shit, or Flash's scene which just induced "what the fuck" in the audience rather than wonder and intrigue.

BvS is probably the worst movie in the Snyderverse (I can't remember if it's better or worse than Black Adam)

>>149373978
>there was also the problem where the introductions themselves were weird and forced
This is also true.

WW also does fuck all before finally appearing in the final battle and having rewatched it recently, it's kinda jarring. Sure, *I* know who she is and who she was supposed to be, but to the casual movie going audience, they would've had no idea it was Wondy. It's kinda weird because MoS doesn't hint that other heroes exist at all. Even Batman appearing is a little weird.

>BvS is probably the worst movie in the Snyderverse (I can't remember if it's better or worse than Black Adam)
Black Adam is a hell of a lot more fun and had some great music, so I'd watch that one over BvS any day.

>>149373303
He makes fun of Clark when he first shows up at work and when Metropolis is about to get split in half he's on the phone talking to an ex wife.
>>149373978
>But the part where the whole movie stops to have Ben Affleck watch teaser clips of random DC superheroes do boring shit,
It was Gadot watching the clips, wasn't it?

>>149374049
Yes lol
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pprn1pVbJ70

>>149374084
How nice of Lex to design custom icons for all of them!

>>149374084
>>149374049
oh I forgot, I confused it with Gadot watching Ben's clips

Supergirl definitely drunkenly calls Superman and makes “jokes” about “Space Alabama”

>>149367503
This.

>>149369758
That scene almost had me tear up bad

>>149350578 (OP)
Because hes a super popular and well known character unlike a nobody green lantern and a lesbian bitch, of course nothing to do with his race

>>149350578 (OP)
N

>>149374609
>hes a super popular and well known character
Only comic nerds knew about Terrific before this movie, get real.
I'm glad that's changing tho.

>>149357758
So he's a fantasy protagonist in the middle of a modern urban hero setting? Sounds like the same problem Wonder Woman's had for forty years.

>>149365844
Give Vixen an upgrade and pretend her magic totem makes her a real witch, not just beast boy minus.

>>149374049
>He makes fun of Clark when he first shows up at work and when Metropolis is about to get split in half he's on the phone talking to an ex wife.
That's Steve Lombard.

>>149350578 (OP)
Because

>>149375803
Tell me why?

it was funny seeing him with black scientists. It's like a sad trope now that blacks have to be the smartist people in these movies. "SEE BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS TOO"

>>149373303
Yeah, I don't think he said anything. Really obvious his lines were left on the cutting room floor.

>>149360323
based McDuffie JLA
>>149362755
Ha. It does work.

>>149363954
I read that as Superman semen

>>149350777
Man, how many VFX artists would they have to sacrifice to make both Plastic Man and Metamorpho to look good?

>>149370387
>>149370429
y'all are no fun

>>149350578 (OP)
the whole point was that superman isnt perfect and isnt a god. so it makes sense for him to get help from his friends

>>149370122
His superpower is adapt/evolve to any danger. In the movie he feigns betrayal to the X men and joining Shaw temporarily. Shaw's power is to absorb, store and dispense energy, So when Darwin stops feigning and attacks Shaw, Shaw makes him swallow a burst o nuclear energy, despite there being several organisms that could survive nuclear energy Darwin is unable to figure out how to evolve from that attack to save himself in the movie. It was pretty bad writing