Probably one of the best superhero movies of all time in my opinions. Up there with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, The Lego Batman Movie and The Batman.
yes, This movie is indeed "woke". It is brazenly "woke" and very forthcoming about it. The main villain is a wimpy narcissist willing to aid a country run by war criminals and risk the lives of innocent Americans just to one up an alien immigrant he does not like. Sound familiar?
what i appreciate about the "wokeness" is that its done in a way that feels authentic. It makes perfect sense for Superman to take a stand when a country is being attacked by a militaristic regime, and Lex Luthor would indeed be the type of bastard who would try to use the crisis to sabotage him. The "wokeness" didn't even occur to me after the fact
The absolute GOAT Peacemaker showed up. The reason why he shows up is the most peacemaker thing ever like of course the peacemaker of all people would be doing that
also whats with james gunn and having absolutely banger soundtracks for his movies. https://youtu.be/8P09rxVaQAM?si=VzilL4LZcMeB6lbE

The "woke" discourse is dumb in general, but yeah it was very good and easily among the best cape films, which isn't saying much but still. Refreshing to finally see a cape movie celebrate the last several decades of lore too and not just the broad strokes from 90-60 years ago.

I hate that people are arguing over the wrong things. The flaws for me is a by product of one of the reasons its good, which is the focus on making sure the comic book characterization hits. The stuff it does to make sure Superman embodies Superman ideals or making sure certain characters get to do stuff and not be deadweight, hurts the overall plot which I think was just weird all around.

Your father was an average fighter Kal-el but he was a brilliant scientist

>>149355354 (OP)
This shit isn't woke people's brains have just been broiled to the Nth fucking degree no one understands how awful things are now. That was the most Superman-like movie they could have made.

>>149355415
>which I think was just weird all around.
They shoved way too much bullshit into the film. Black Noir Ultraman Bizarro would have been enough for a film alone but they also had the pocket dimension prison, the war, the kaijuu, the dognapping/raid on the fortress of solitude, just too many fucking villains, Superman getting an evil Superman origin, Superman getting arrested, and the Super Friends.

This shit needed a script doctor.

I liked it too.

>>149355354 (OP)
shame the love story in you pic absolutely felt emotionless and forced, she phoned it in and didnt even want to be there by the looks of it, zero chemistry not to mention superman is acts like a pussy and simpy

>>149355512
>raid on the fortress of solitude,
which looked like one room to me, they fucking cheaped out as fuck on that thing it looked like a fucking 1 day turn around set design project made by 17 years olds it was fucking trash

I liked it but I honestly felt like they made Lex TOO evil. I mean he pretty much created his own hell for torturing people he doesn't like.
I know Lex is capable of horrible things in the comics but getting his hands so directly dirty by firing a gun in the temple of a man he knew was innocent, just to fuck with Superman, felt too direct. At that point might as well have him eat babies to troll Superman.

>>149355547
It's Superman and Lois what more do you need to know about them, I think they did enough with that side plot.

>>149355354 (OP)
Fuck the haters. Superman swooped into danger to save a fucking squirrel. Gunn got it right.

>>149355583
Nah, Lex being willing to start a war and risk tearing the planet in half just to spite Superman is classic Lex, imo

>>149355610
Everything about this movie got his character right. The last scene with him and Lex was perfect.

>>149355623
This

>>149355623
I can believe that part, cause he's so detached and sees everyone else as below him.
It's specifically him taking the mob grunt duties into his own hands that bugs me. It makes it feel like he enjoys being evil more than he enjoys fucking with Superman.

>>149355623
It was also mentioned that the section of the country that Lex wanted had rich natural resources like oil and gas deposits. Maybe there was some other rare valuable mineral there too that he was planning to use for one of his schemes.

*yaaaaawn* Lame
Shills will defend anything these days

>>149355657
I don't think he anticipated the guy to get shot that early. He even left immediately after that moment happened because he wasn't prepared for it. Didn't come off like the Joker to me, more so "oh shit, well uhhh see ya later I guess"

>>149355671
What's there to defend?

>>149355680
True.

>>149355607
was boring, she showed no love for him, she was infactuated or showing any care for him, she looked like she saw him as a regular guy and didnt even care if they broke up, there's that scene at the beginning where se even says under her breath "I dont do relationships" like wtf?

>>149355354 (OP)
>The main villain is a wimpy narcissist willing to aid a country run by war criminals and risk the lives of innocent Americans just to one up an alien immigrant he does not like. Sound familiar?
Yeah, sounds like Lex Luthor.

>>149355693
Lois has always been a realist.

>>149355684
A thoroughly mediocre Superman film that hardly deserves the title.

>>149355702
nah margot and teri did it better even amy adams showed how much she loved him and cared about him, this was so blasé was pathetic

>>149355693
>Complaining about Lois being an emotionally detached girl boss who has trouble expressing herself in traditionally feminine ways
Next you'll complain about Jimmy getting it wet

>>149355721
>Next you'll complain about Jimmy getting it wet
well now you bring it up, there was no way he was getting a bimbo like that, women don't date below their ranks specially if they been with someone like Lex, women only date on their level and above, this is a total lie, no guy of that calibur would get sex with that kind of woman

Haven't seen the movie yet. Does lex luger get his power armor or are they saving it for the sequel?

Lois essentially being the one to plant the seed of doubt into Superman, then not really acknowledging it even when it turned out his instincts about Boravia were entirely correct, was weird and kinda soured their scenes together.
If Lois had called the shots it seems entirely likely those civilians would have literally been gunned down on the spot the first time.

>>149355770
I'm pretty sure that was flat out a direct reference to the kind of bullshit Jimmy would get into in his self titled silver age comics

>>149355770
Jimmy probably eats out like a motherfucker

>>149355775
No, but his reputation is totally ruined so he pretty much has to go full on public supervillain next time, making the suit pretty likely.

>>149355776
Lois is just a cynical person who questions everyone and everything. That's not a new facet of her character and she's done it to Superman before. That's probably one of the thing he loves about her - she's not even afraid to question the motives and altruism of Superman. She grounds him.

>>149355770
Jimmy was also able to get Supergirl.

>>149355770
BPD/Manipulator bitches date below their rank for the control aspect pretty often.
Jimmy pretty clearly had problems with her, which makes me think we haven't seen her bad side.

>Lex's army of actual shitposting monkeys
Got the most genuine of keks out of me, this movie was great.

>>149355832
We kinda do if you think about it. Even though she was clearly secretly intelligent enough to code Lex's ruin without him noticing, and seemed to understand his demise was in her hands, she was still willing to use it as leverage to control Jimmy, in that scene where she's a bawling mess.

>>149355892
in effect this was typically what women do, because this was a superman film he couldnt have her scream rape, but in reality thats what women do and just accuse men all the time, in effect Lex Luthor was Andrew Tate and she would have sent a sexual harrasment allegation top fuck him up, even Lex wouldn't be able to buy his way out of that because as we've countess time, no man can

>>149355876
>A self-made pocket dimension full of Shitposting monkeys and cages for people who annoy him
Yeah, they fully leaned into petty mad scientist Lex here, I love it

>>149355822
you're forgetting this is nto real 99% of guys will see throught his bullshit, women dont operate like that, supergirl would NEVER go for Jimmy and if she did it would only last a little while as he's human, in the end she would need a super hero relationship because she wouldnt date down

>>149356007
>Yeah, they fully leaned into petty mad scientist Lex here, I love it
it didnt work though because they couldnt really explain his motivation, the monkey thing was stupid too

Nobody gives a fuck about Clark, do they? The entire final act is about people running for their lives before Metropolis literally goes to hell and neither Jimmy nor Perry nor Cat even questions where the fuck is Clark, is he even OK? A simple line of dialogue would have sufficed

>>149355354 (OP)
>straight white couple
Nope, not woke enough for me. Not watching this chud slop.

>>149356153
There should have been a line that Clark was visiting his parents. Would have been easy enough, and true technically.

>>149355770
Love this. Manosphere 4chan poster has no idea women actually love that dude IRL.

Would this tush be able to handle penis of steel?

>>149355354 (OP)
>also whats with james gunn and having absolutely banger soundtracks for his movies

Not everything needs to be super cinematic symphonic Hans Zimmer slop.

>>149355717
>blasé

Did you get that from your word-a-day calendar or your summer homework, kiddo?

>>149356204
show me a blonde bitch that loves a guy a foot shorter than her wearing a fucking ash ketchum hat, seriously, if your not 6 feet tall or earning 6 figures a woman like that will never date a guy like that, prove me wrong, and the women saying they like this guy in the film are hypocrits, their literal partners look nothing like jimmy, im willing to bet everything on it

>>149356250
bro there certain scenes specifically the one on ones with her and supes where she looks literally uninterested in him

I don't think I've seen a movie or TV show in the last 5 years that actively advertised itself as being woke.

Great movie over all, 9/10. The only thing i dislike and shock is they turn Jor-El and his wife , iconic loving parents figure into villain and eugenics that's wants Clark to conquer earth and breeding as many as women as possible

>>149356356
can you explain why 9/10 that pretty high?

do you not think they failed the ultraman storyline?
or how about executing the kaiju with no remorse?
Hawkgirl killing someone and no one questioning it?
superman not having any manly scenes?
lex not having a motivation?
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seriously nothing was grim to you about this?

>>149356390
you sound like a massive dweeb

>>149356285
>show me a blonde bitch
To start they don't actually enjoy being called this.

>>149356409
I like comics and stories yes, so if that makes me a dweeb then so be it, what's the problem im asking genuine questions as to why he likes it and gave it a 9, because that's saying it's pretty much perfect

>>149355892
>No bimbo presenting espionage mastermind who's so obsessed with you she puts your attention before the fate of the world.
GIWTWM

>>149356433
actually dude, have you ever spoken to a bitch, this is how i can tell your a virgin, if you're all nice to them they'll friendzone you so, sack up already

>>149356153
Like 80% of the main cast know he's Superman. Even the Justice Gang knows.

>>149356390
NTA but
- Ultraman worked well as Bizarro, which is clearly the deal
-There was remorse. Superman explicitly said it was wrong.
-She was alone, it reasons Supes would question it, as he continually questioned them, but no we didn't get an insert of his doing so.
-The manly thing is too silly to speak to honestly
-Lex spelled out his motivation several times
Anyway, you're doing great. Media literacy is your forte.

>>149356390
>or how about executing the kaiju with no remorse?
They literally call direct attention to this.

Superman was great, finally a comic book movie that isnt embarassed it's a comic book movie. None of this grounded realistic shit, just weird shit happening and nobody blinking an eye at it. Refreshing.

>>149356482
>- Ultraman worked well as Bizarro, which is clearly the deal
Works well as something but doesn't use said thing? That's a bit retarded dude jutst fuckign use bizarro then.
>-There was remorse. Superman explicitly said it was wrong.
Yes but he could have stepped in like Superman and said stop, this would have been more Superman like and showed leadership, even The Animated Series superman had more balls than this guy.
>-She was alone, it reasons Supes would question it, as he continually questioned them, but no we didn't get an insert of his doing so.
Yea someone would have filmed it, you don't just get to kill someone and get a pass.
>-Lex spelled out his motivation several times
not really it was kind of said but seemed like a week motivation over all
>Anyway, you're doing great. Media literacy is your forte.
its really not but i enjoy comics, thanks i'll keep questioning things that are clearly needed to though

>>149356488
>They literally call direct attention to this.
To which Lantern literally calls Superman to stop being a Pussy in so many words, I thought LIFE was precious to Superman thats what everyone was fucking talking about right we need a more humane one, but to let them just kill seems worse

>>149356031
>they couldnt really explain his motivation,
They literally had an entire scene where he shouted his motivation at Superman. Is /co/ really this fucking autistic?

>>149355354 (OP)
No hate towards the movie but you sound like a massive faggot.

>>149356616
It's not just /co/, it's an epidemic

>>149356616
what im saying is it was a weak explanation, it didnt really make sense, the government tasked him to kill superman? wow great motivation

>>149356488
NTA but that goes nowhere. The gang doesn't change their mind, even after they were supposed to and Superman killed Ultraman later.

>>149356657
>Superman killed Ultraman later.
WTF I THOUGHT HE DOESNT KILLL????

So it's ok when Gunn does it?

>>149356672
Seems so.
Collateral damage and outright ignoring a giant monster are also ok.

>>149356645
Jesus Christ, you really are autistic. He literally explained that his sole motivation was to fuck with and kill Superman and that everything else was done in service to that. He literally explains in a protracted monologue that he's motivated by petty, petulant envy of Superman's inherent gifts and popularity, like literally every single depiction of Lex Luther ever

>>149355512
>They shoved way too much bullshit into the film
That was one of the best things about it. The movie just asked you to take scenarios and concept at face value. Sure, there was a lot, but none of it was ever confusing or out-of-place. Everything was explained and integrated in a fairly organic way. Felt like an actual comic book.

>>149356729
yep, give me all the "bullshit" and more

>>149355583
>I know Lex is capable of horrible things in the comics but getting his hands so directly dirty by firing a gun in the temple of a man he knew was innocent, just to fuck with Superman, felt too direct.
Lex is supposed to be comically evil with zero regard for his fellow man, despite his assertion otherwise. Maybe it just hits a little close to home because that's the kind of person you idolize in real life.

>>149356729
This. They did a great job of using the film to establish a new universe by throwing you right into the middle of things with an accessible, familiar character and filling out the rest with weird comic book shit

>>149356709
Yea that's dogshit, Smallville did it perfect and the animated series

>>149356752
jesus christ these are the fucking people enabling this type of dogshit, it's like the xmen all over again, and we're just going to get this marvel tier superman

>>149356729
>Felt like an actual comic book
Are you specifically reading crisis events every single time, or what? An actual Superman comic is limited to his own thing.

>>149356776
>The motivation wasn't explained!
>Yes it was.
>No, I mean it wasn't done well.
>That's not even the actual motivation. The actual motivation is what it always is for Lex
>W-Well whatever, me like old thing better anyway!
Fuck me, go away

>>149355693
>was boring, she showed no love for him, she was infactuated or showing any care for him,
That was kind of the point. The movie was about her actually getting to know Clark better to the point that she felt she could be as genuine with him as he was with her. As much as the movie was a takedown of corruption and fascism, it was also a takedown of cynicism, and how it can stop us from cherishing amazing things and people that are right in front of us.

>>149356787
Thank you! I feel like im taking crazy pills
they should introduce one maybe two concepts per movie. Superman is an hero who flys, why isnt that enough anymore, like?

It's so clear that the movie did actually have those days of the week title card skips but just got removed. The flow of the movie is kind of all over the place until the final 35 ish minutes when it starts the third act because before that, it just skips to "here's a new problem"

If I rewatch it, I can probably put together the exact frames where it would have said "Tuesday"

>>149356830
>That was kind of the point. The movie was about her actually getting to know Clark better to the point that she felt she could be as genuine with him as he was with her. As much as the movie was a takedown of corruption and fascism, it was also a takedown of cynicism, and how it can stop us from cherishing amazing things and people that are right in front of us.
holy fucking cope people actually believe this shit

>>149356791
>An actual Superman comic is limited to his own thing.
Not really. Other heroes and characters show up in Superman/Action Comics issues all the time. The difference between a Superman comic and a Justice League or "crisis event" is that the story is emotionally centered on Superman. As it was in this movie.

t. actually reads comics

>>149355610
>Superman swooped into danger to save a fucking squirrel.
Reminded me of one of the early issues in New 52 where Clark showed up to a meeting with a pet gerbil that had been owned by a drug dealer he got arrested, trying to find it a home. I forget if it was Action Comics or JL.

>>149356791
>An actual Superman comic is limited to his own thing.
Been trying to make sense of this for about 90 seconds now. I don't think it's gonna happen.

>>149356859
Shills have been pushing that this Superman is about "hope" as opposed to Snyder's since the announcement.
Nevermind he ended up doing the same shit MoS was criticized for a decade.

>>149356830
Don't bother explaining the dynamic that has existed between Lois and Superman for literal decades to them, they just want to complain

>>149355775
Nah, Luger don't get armor til part 3, when he joins the Wolfpac.

>>149355354 (OP)
But OP, nowadays being a good guy is woke.

>>149356859
I just feel bad for you, man.

>>149356882
The whole post kind of gave me a stroke, but I think what he means to imply is that a Superman comic should only have Superman and not other DC heroes. Basically, he just doesn't actually read comics.

>>149356899
>he ended up doing the same shit MoS was criticized for a decade.
People were wrong to criticize that Superman, and they were wrong to criticize this one. Both MoS and Superman Legacy were great movies that explored the character in different ways. I don't think either of them did anything wrong. Some faggots just like to complain whenever Superman is shown to have flaws because their only understanding of the character is that he's their perfect replacement father figure who is always right and always wins.

>>149356919
Whatever, with or without armor he's still a narcissist

>>149356942
>Both MoS and Superman Legacy were great movies that explored the character in different ways.
this is the key that stupid company wars BS is clouding, Gunn and Snyder, both good, pros and cons, different approaches, but leauges ahead of pretty much every other cape director

>>149356942
This movie exists, and is mostly supported, by opposition of the MoS superman.
I do agree they're about equal in quality, both being very flawed takes but that also means this one shouldn't be the "good one".

>>149356975
both are the same company

>>149355354 (OP)
Superman and Lois are great and I REALLY like how they made him a dumb idealist himbo and her a realist to contrast them, but Lex is terrible, he feels like a farcical strawman written by a tumblr user. He's a hysterical screaming "what if elon bad" character whose entire character is "alien bad!!!!!" who has literal monkeys writing bad tweets about superman

Krypto is cute but honestly detracting, they should have given him his own fucking movie instead of putting him in this.

And yeah it's "woke" but Luthor's secret pocket dimension guantanamo CIA black site sublot is resolved with supes punching his way out, the final clash of ideals between supes and lex is ruined by Krypto mauling Lex never giving supes a chance to answer, and Gunn's humour is just cringe whenever it comes up (thank god they didn't let him cram too much in)

Well at least Lois isn't a fucking psychopath like Snyder's

>>149356975
Yeah, agreed. They both make a good capeshit of entirely different flavors. But that's the issue—strong flavors often offend people with weak palates, which is why the entire capeshit industy was basically engineered to be bland slop for the past 10+ years.

>>149356942
>I just feel bad for you, man.
erm why would you say something like this?

>>149357007
>whose entire character is "alien bad!!!!!"
That's his entire character in everything else too

>>149355446
>The US government hiring shady private companies to kidnap muslim americans to extrajudicial black sites to interrogate and kill them for literally no reason isn't political!

>>149356995
>both are the same company
Whoa really

>>149357007
We get it. You voted for Trump and suck Elon's dick and you feel called out. Also you're so fucking stupid that you don't realize "alien bad!!!!" has been Lex's character for decades. Many such cases.

>>149356942
>Basically, he just doesn't actually read comics.
half of the fucking people reviewing the film don't know about the comics but all i keep hearing is silver age this and silver age that yet none of them cite any comic and if they do its always the obligatory allstar superman, why the fuck didnt they just film that comic then?

>>149357026
That was 100% on Lex.

>>149357007
>Krypto is cute but honestly detracting, they should have given him his own fucking movie instead of putting him in this.
He has superpets it's already been done

>>149355354 (OP)
>Probably one of the best superhero movies of all time in my opinions. Up there with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, The Lego Batman Movie and The Batman.
I can't believe you'd insult the Batman Septilogy like that.

Supergentiles...

>>149356533
THIS

This is what I've been screaming about decades in regards to these live action comic book movies. Stop beating around the bush and just give us the THING. And this movie finally did that.

>>149357082
B-but this is antithetical to what the /pol/tv/ posters led me to believe??

>>149355354 (OP)
>banger
Shill detected

>>149357007
>the final clash of ideals between supes and lex is ruined by Krypto mauling Lex never giving supes a chance to answer,
That's the fucking point. You don't argue ideals with someone who is evil. It's a fool's errand. Instead you just let your rabid superdog bite the shit out of him.

This is one of the ways modern internet discourse has truly broken people's brains—you think if you can just use enough words and make enough arguments, you can consider yourself entitled to engagement, and that if every single point you make isn't specifically addressed and countered, that you somehow remain justified. But that's wrong. Good vs. evil isn't really up for debate.

>>149357147
>D-Debaate me!
>Superchad: GET HIM

Isn't Superman's Krypton origin supposed to be a "multiple roots" thing that's a metaphor that says you can be American and ALSO whatever ethnicity you are, salad bowl rather than melting pot? Isn't this backwards by modern "woke" standards by delegitimizing his roots and demanding he only be American?

>>149357236
No. Superman's Krypton origin is supposed to be whatever it is in any given iteration. The point of Superman is that it doesn't matter where you come from or who you are. What matters is that you are a good person.

I think the fact that such a braindead simple message is so frequently overlooked or misunderstood is emblematic of how socially bankrupt we've become.

>>149357236
Its the same as it has always been.
>Isn't this backwards by modern "woke" standards by delegitimizing his roots and demanding he only be American?
I don't think the movie was actually trying to be political(other than the cheap "everything's political chud" shit). That said, it really doesn't matter if want to pander to leftists. Lots of intentionally woke media have the opposite message because its written by retards for retards.

>>149357236
They clearly prioritized the comics over modern sensibilities in this regard.

>>149357147
It felt like a cop-out to use Krypto, taking agency away from supes. Would've preferred if he just took a swing at him. Could hold back to not hurt him too bad, just having him do SOMETHING as a symbolic gesture, not just stand there looking dumbfounded with no answer.

>>149357326
>taking agency away from supes
if you get to that point in the movie its clear its completely insincere and doesn't give a shit about something like agency.

>>149357007
>clash of ideals
Lex is just flat out evil in this movie. He literally invented hell because he wanted to make people suffer more. What point is there in exchanging ideological banter with someone like that?

>>149357364
Even if Lex is 100% wrong it doesn't feel right that Supes has his speech about actinos, Lex DOESN'T back down and amps it up, and then Supes just stands there dumbfounded with no reply and it's Krypto who has to end the confrontation for him, EVEN if this supes is dumb

>>149357316
I'm pretty sure most iterations of Superman portray him as valuing his Earth heritage over his Kryptonian. Even Man of Steel.

>>149357326
>taking agency away from supes
Superman literally just saved the world for the umpteenth time. His agency has already been well-established. The fact that you think Superman needed to somehow sink to Lex's level and lash out at him after he'd already won is really weird and petty.

The more people complain about this movie, the more light it shines on what exactly is wrong with people these days.

>>149357392
>Superman literally just saved the world for the umpteenth time
NTA but this is the first we see in the movie itself.

>>149356534
Lex was selling Ultraman to the US Military. Would th Military buy an asset called Ultraman or Bizarro?

>>149357408
Bizarro, we don't want no Nippon crap here.

>>149357387
>Supes just stands there dumbfounded with no reply and it's Krypto who has to end the confrontation for him
A baby crying that he can't have his way is not a "confrontation" and does not require a response.

>>149357399
So? He'd already been active in the public eye for three years and was clearly an established hero and people fucking loved him. You'd have to be a retard to think Superman hadn't already saved the world multiple times just because the movie didn't show us.

Goddamn, imagine being too retarded for capeshit. We're cooked.

>>149355354 (OP)
i really liked that they show why superman need friends

hes no fucking omniscient and the justice gang solving the conflict while superman is busy really hammers it down

>Man of Steel
>Superman is forced to kill Zod, is visually, emotionally distraught by it
>"WHY IS THIS SUPERMAN A MURDERER!?"

>Superman Legacy
>Superman callously kills a clone of himself that is clearly sentient, as well as unfortunately disabled. Doesn't even react.
>"OMG they finally got Superman right!!!"

Really proves how easily guided people are by tone and other superficial elements. You can show them something horrible, but if you do it with bright colors and a quip, people will be okay with it.

Lex did nothing wrong. Earth is for earthlings only

>>149357502
Man of Steel was a gray dour-faced exhibitionist pretending to be Superman. How much of Metropolis burned and how many people did he let perish while getting kisses from Lois again?

>>149357551
Then why did he shoot a random human falafel salesman in the head

Not so fast!
>There’s no denying that Guardians of the Galaxy director Gunn knows the market he panders to when he emasculates Corenswet’s average all-American masculinity — the essence of the Superman concept — then extracts any romance from Superman’s relationship with reporter Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan is grating throughout their meant-to-be-flirty spats). Lacking Snyder’s erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, Gunn degrades the humanity of these characters. He victimizes Superman (horribly so in a poorly judged “Pocket Universe” prison sequence featuring nightmarish degradation) and then triggers audience revulsion through evil genius Lex Luthor (Nicholas Hoult), whose key-punch video game tropes remotely attack a man of virtual invulnerability rather than a man of steel. Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.

>Gunn’s objective is to banalize the very concept that Snyder sought to elevate. He demeans Superman’s virtue, making him a figure of public distrust vilified in the press, yet gives him goofy boyishness through a mischievous terrier-schnauzer mutt named Krypto. Snyder eliminated the pet, but Gunn uses the dog for dragging Superman’s rumpled body to the icy Fortress of Solitude. The sequence lacks surprise as well as delight. Inane dialogue and jokey asides constitute Gunn’s half-Nolan and half-Marvel hackery.

What the fuck was the engineer's problem?

>>149357741
she got mogged

>>149357732
>>Gunn’s objective is to banalize the very concept that Snyder sought to elevate. He demeans Superman’s virtue, making him a figure of public distrust vilified in the press,
Movie critic excited to watch movie for the first time.

>>149355354 (OP)
Kys shill

>>149357746
I'm not gonna lie though, those jutting hips were kinda doing it for me.

>>149357663
>Man of Steel was a gray dour-faced exhibitionist
>You can show them something horrible, but if you do it with bright colors and a quip, people will be okay with it.
I don't even like MoS but you're literally proving his point

>>149357732
White got the nanobot thing mixed up with Mr Terrific there, but also man, even as the contrarian he is, did he really see any eroticism in the Amy Adams/Henry Cavill dynamic?

>>149356709
Holy shit NO you are fucking Retarded, if what you say is true, and his soul motivation was to murder Superman. WHY DIDN'T HE KILL HIM WITH METAMORPHO IN THE CAGE?

>>149357812
ohhhh snapppp how will Gunn shills damage control this?

>>149357666
Jeets are sub human so it's fine

>>149357666
because he was too dumb to get Metamorpho make a kryptonic shank and shank him to death, even though his main purpose and only purpose in the film was to kill Superman, he's a hack

>>149357666
meta commentary on killing the snyderverse

>>149357812
He was waiting for the government to come by with more questions.

>>149358056
Holy shit. That's amazing.

>>149357445
agency is a storytelling idea, not an actual in-universe thing. If he saved the world off-screen then his agency wasn't established.
>imagine being too retarded for capeshit

>>149357663
>how many people did he let perish while getting kisses from Lois again?
This literally happened in the new one.

>>149357912
He explicitly said he wanted to keep Superman alive did you miss that

>>149358157
this is plot gymnastics wtf, the guy spends the whle film trying to kill him

I'm tired pretending The Lego Batman Movie was good

>>149358288
If you're not memeing this is really sad

>>149355721
>Complaining about Lois being an emotionally detached girl boss who has trouble expressing herself in traditionally feminine ways
Sounds like a nightmare.

Would you say it has influences from John Byrne's run?

>>149357502
I think the original idea of this being about Superman protecting a clone that devolves into Bizarro was a much better idea

>>149357741
spah’s sappin her sentry

>>149357016
>muslim Americans
Oxymoron.

>>149357666
Because we're going to get a shit ton more H1B jeets soon and the movie wants you to feel bad about noticing the stench.

>>149357785
The fact the age difference between the actors became more apparent on BvS, only caused the relationship to feel even more artificial and lacking any sexual tension between them.

>>149358861
No

I never really understood the immigration issue. America does allow immigration. It's practically been its backbone for most of its history. Is the point that immigration laws should be abolished and people should be allowed to immigrate freely without any form of certification? Like, everyone should be given citizenship the moment they walk in?

>>149357812
>WHY DIDN'T HE KILL HIM WITH METAMORPHO IN THE CAGE?
because the us government wanted to question him

>>149355775
Better than that

>>149356031

His motivations for hating superman were explained multiple times, and his motivations for spamming twitter with anti-Superman monkeys was 80% "to fuck with Superman" but 20% so he could tell the secdef "Superman's not very popular, look at social media

>>149356672

He didn't kill Ultraman, he knocked him into a Black Hole in the space between universes, which is pretty obviously a setup for him to survive and return as a proper Bizarro

>>149359468
That's one very basic part of it, yeah.
To give another basic idea is that Americans, and people wanting to enter America in the proper channels, don't like the preferential treatment that illegals are getting over their own citizens.

"Wanting to do the right thing" vs. "Yeah, but can they at least wipe their feet before coming in?"

>>149355354 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>149355610
They're setting up Ch'p the GL

Best superhero film easily.

>>149359468
It's still extremely hard to legally immigrate here and if you don't have some kind of direct family pretty much impossible. There should have been some level of reform but that would never get passed.

>>149360072
>It's still extremely hard to legally immigrate
As it should be. Gotta earn it, bucko

>>149360105
Agree but it doesn't mean the current system isn't also shit and should be different.

>>149358056
Kek

I can't believe they had Netanyahu executed

>>149359829
NErdrotic and his crew just confirmed he got merked senpai

>>149357502
>Superman callously kills a clone of himself
Superman doesn't show any fear of dying to the black hole in the prison dimension, just of not being able to escape it. Ultraman will find Htrae in the black hole and be fine.

>>149355354 (OP)
^Shill

>>149357326
i liked the movie a lot but i totally agree. Superman should have decked him mid sentence and the film should have played it completely straight. it undercut the big moment and deflated the scene.

>>149360262
Nerdrotic also thought that Cassandra Nova from Deadpool and Wolverine was actually Polaris, so he's wrong about stuff sometimes.

>>149357502
The difference is that Superman literally snapped Zod's neck in the Man of Steel but in this movie he punted him to another dimension giving him plausible deniability, you can reasonably assume that Ultraman survives.

>>149362104
Did you not see all of the cubes around the entrance to the black hole/portal? It's setting up Ultraman to become Bizarro and hinting at the cube-shaped planet Htrea where Bizarro eventually rules.

>>149362130
Exactly. People going "he murdered Ultraman!" are retarded.

>>149360610
jeet

>>149362163
even if he did kill him, Ultraman was portrayed as a mostly mindless brute with only a flicker of actual consciousness. No more sentient than Doomsday. I'm not sure it really counts as killing.

>>149356729
I agree. I feared they would slowly build a universe when they're already about two decades behind. I'm glad they hit the ground running and put in so much.

>>149355354 (OP)
Just cam back from watching it. Was way better then I expected.

The only real problem I had with the movie was how much it insisted on stating what was already shown.

We didn’t need to be told that Lex has been memorizing how to fight Superman after watching him do it for 30 seconds, for example.

Every time it happened I was pretty taken aback, because the visuals and actions of the characters were always more than enough to get the idea across. Felt like studio rewrites to me.

>>149355354 (OP)
>yes, This movie is indeed "woke".
>>149357007
>yeah it's "woke"

Nope, y'all need to get out of your basement, stop listening to idiots yell at your on YT and stop taking your "opinions" from 30 second tiktoks or a 140 character tweet

>>149355446
>This shit isn't woke
>people's brains have just been broiled to the Nth fucking degree

^ this opinion is the correct take
Y'all have been sadly brain-rotted than language has no meaning and you just trot out buzzwords, without context or comprehension.

>>149360262
>a bunch of faggots with a podcast "confirmed" it

>>149363146
Go the fuck back to the Xwitter hole you crawled out from.

>>149356356
I still think there might be something up with that. Just because all of Earth's specialists confirmed it is real doesn't mean a higher intelligence like Brainiac couldn't have tampered with that message and fooled them.

>>149363644
Or the specialists were just fooled. This wasn't AI deepfakes or whatever, it was a special job done by a nanite monster living computer.

>>149357007
I'm mixed on Lex. On the hand, the writing definitely got Prime Lex right in terms of how downright terrifying Lex can be when he has everything in motion and Superman is this naive boy who has no idea what he's up against

On the other hand his dialogue is bad (I don't think the dialogue final confrontation between Superman and Lex was earned for either character). Nick Hoult is fine in the role but he really looks too young to be playing prime Lex, to be mocking Superman to his face. He'd be better off playing a younger, more cautious lex

>>149357741
She was under a lot of stress working for Lex and she just needed me to come along and release it for her.

>>149360105
>Gotta earn it, bucko
then it'd be nice if the work visa was skill-based and not a lottery

But I understand why the (legal) immigration system is hard. The US is such a dream place for folks that no matter what system you put in, people WILL find a way to game it. Make it qualification-based? People will set up degree mills. Make it employment/salary based? People will find some agreement with a company to flood the market. You cannot win.

>>149355446
>>149363146
This movie absolutely is Woke as Fuck. But Woke just means being capable of basic human empathy and not being some variety of sociopath. You guys have just boiled your brains so hard you think that's an insult.

>>149363098
I agree, some of it was kind of jarring, like the Lex scene you mentioned, or the Engineer talking about how she gave up her humanity when Lex just explained to the DoD people he infused her with nanites to create her. bretty good movie otherwise though.

>>149355354 (OP)
This shit was horrible bro

>>149364229
People liked the movie, bro. It's fine. Just take the L, bro.

I dont think there has been a SINGLE kiss between any male and female lead in any of the MUHvel films.

EVER

LOL

EAT SHIT

>>149363756
Rightoids are pretty fucking emotionally deprived I agree. They need to touch grass.

Unironically the best depiction of Luther in a movie yet. Very human motivation carried by an irredeemably arrogant and awful POS

1A!
1A!
1A!
1A!

>>149355512
If this movie had "too many things" for you, you're the problem.

>>149364484
Guess they don't like breakfast for dinner then~

>>149356776
You're just a retard bro. Lex explained it twice. The second time was a 5 minute monologe that made drama teachers jizz their pants. Put down the phone.

>>149363756
>>149364492
>no gay lgbtq messaging
>no nigger worship
>no discussion of actual left wing beliefs
>literally just "be kind, let your actions define you, even if you're an alien you're still human"
how is it woke in any way to these people?

>>149356390
>superman not having any manly scenes?
stop

>>149356645
Is this bait? have you literally never read a single SM story with Lex as a villain?

>>149364535
>the first command is “punch him in the face”
kek

>>149355354 (OP)
>spoiler
Tbqh Superman has always been woke, I mean this is the character who canonically

>smashed the Klan
>is an example of illegal immigration resulting in successful integration into society
>works as a reporter
>prioritises the protection of the weak over consumerist practices (at least as practiced by Lex Luthor, and as time goes on Luthor has become so influential as to effectively define consumerist practices with his economic influence)
>Action Comics #1 (June, 1938) is literally titled Superman: Champion of the Oppressed

Like the only way you can construe Superman is not woke is to look at Elseworld-tier examples like Injustice, or cherrypick from shit like New 52 and Frank Miller's takes on him.

>>149355415
>>149355512
I was afraid /co/ would completely ignore this point. Even if we're in the minority, I'm glad someone else is acknowledging it. A movie can be a step in the right direction and also a clusterfuck of pacing, and I think it's fair to say this was both.

Also I just don't like Gunn's sense of humour, but I can appreciate others clearly do.

>>149355583
I liked that though, I like Lex being so ridiculously petty he has effectively godlike power and is still basically just a thug in a suit.

>>149355697
This description would've fit Darkseid during Kirby's times too, but DC wanked their cosmic authoritarian too much and now he basically keeps falling upwards when he's not constantly winning at life.

>>149363756
>But Woke just means being capable of basic human empathy and not being some variety of sociopath.
Funny how that doesn't seem to apply to mutilating children.

>aliens want to breed out and enslave the local population
>literal Indians shitposting
You told me this felt like a Sam Raimi Spider-man film, and you were right.

>>149364694
Does it?

>>149364772
It is my understanding that the woke factions support trans rights, which by definition include the mutilation of children.

>>149355512
>Black Noir Ultraman Bizarro
I was actually a little surprised Superman mercilessly beat up his down syndrome clone brother rather then try and emphasize with him.

>LuthorCorp

>>149364867
I mean, seeing how Superman tends to deal with bad copies in comics, I'm not. People harp on about Superman being flawless and infallible, but at the end of the day he's just a regular joe trying to do the right thing that just happens to be Kryptonian/possibly the last heir of Rao's legacy/definitely the heir to Olgrun's legacy/the incarnation of kind of metafictional scar energy carved into Monitor-Mind's substance by the scream of the Great Darkness, and anyone's going to be freaked out about a weird doppelganger.

It felt like watching the theatrical cut of BvS down to the breathless editing, the sententious media talking heads, and the constant going on about the implications of Superman's actions. The reveal about Superman's message from his parents is played so weird, everything about it screams FAKE but then it's just real. None of the supporting characters had any depth because Gunn just turns them into plot devices or punchlines, and speaking of humor you can tell that Gunn was really pleased with himself over the Super-Harem thing because the joke gets repeated like 5 times. Corenswet and Brosnahan were fine but the whole romance angle isn't given enough time, also Corenswet only plays "Clark" for one scene, what a waste.

>>149363756
>But Woke just means being capable of basic human empathy and not being some variety of sociopath.
How many children were shot at CHAZ?
Who almost burned a Governor?

>>149355583
>a man he knew was innocent
That man was a traitor who chose an alien over a genius of his own species. There is no hell deep enough for such a man.

>>149364629
>smashed the Klan
Sounds like a Republican to me.

>is an example of illegal immigration resulting in successful integration into society
He is legal because he was found on US soil as a baby when his country literally no longer existed, alongside his planet.

>works as a reporter
Has he """missed the story""" on Biden's decline?

Thinking about it now doesn't the whole message subplot make no sense it Clark already knows Kara? She grew up as a Kryptonian so can't he just ask her what they were like?

>>149364949
>Sounds like a Republican to me
Republican as hell yeah, but doesn't stop it from being simultaneously woke for tacit support of minorities.

>He is legal because he was found on US soil as a baby when his country literally no longer existed, alongside his planet.
Okay but counterpoint, Zod's existence and the fact that in most continuities he has some semblance of faction backing him up calls into question whether Krypton's government as a political institution actually ceased to exist when the planet did. You can call Zod a lot of things, but he's usually a recognised general with all that entails.

>Has he """missed the story""" on Biden's decline?
Well no, he has not because as far as I can tell Biden isn't definitely canon to DC anymore than the orange man is, but I would like to point out that neither does Clark exclusively support right wing politicians. And that investigative journalism in contradiction to strong government (which technically in DC, is represented by Amanda Waller) is usually seen as woke.

>>149364953
1. Gunn doesn't tend to think his jokes through, kind of like how Guardians 3's main arc about how nu-Gamora is an emotionally stunted hunter-killer. And then right at the end it's revealed she's actually super friendly with the Ravagers and her tough girl act is just a front she puts up against people outside the Ravager family.

2. Being generous, it's possible Kara has some kind of backstory that explains her not really knowing much about Krypton either since she literally just appears in the credits. Movie continuity. Braniac stealing memories. I dunno, something.

Rightoids on suicide watch.

>>149364977
Rightoids and leftoids are equally insufferable.

>>149363665
His dialogue and the casting are bad. The personality/characterization aren't inherently bad, Lex IS a petty asshole, but he comes across as looking and sounding too irrational and immature. He's supposed to hide that behind his tech genius facade, not put it on parade.

>>149364972
If they're going with the King story, Kara drinks like that because she's traumatized by the fall of Krypton and she's trying to suppress those memories because she isn't ready to deal with them yet.

>>149364953
>She lied to him
>Jor-El was just kind of a unique weirdo and she didn't even know him that well
>She grew up more on Argo City after Krypton blew up
take your pick

>>149363644
Lex literally has an extradimensional nonsense technology prison filled with aliens, there is no reason why he couldn't have fooled them with alien technology. It's absolutely stupid that they insisted on making the message real.

It feels like Gunn wanted to push a nurture VS nature message, given the ending with the videos of the Kents replacing them, but it doesn't feel very meaningful and plays more like it's being pushed for a stupid harem gag.

>>149364953
That depends on what versión this is? Is she from Krypton at the time when Ka-El was a baby? Or is she from Argo city and was born after the destruction of Krypton? Or is she from the planet Argo like in STAS and was in suspended animation? And neither of those imply that she has to know about her uncles or even know / share their ethics.

>>149362532
The problem is that "he's stupid so it doesn't matter" comes off as "you can kill mentally disabled people and it doesn't matter" eugenics.

>>149364867
>>149355512
Superman letting Bizarro die was the weirdest part. Guy was shown to save SQUIRRELS, and it's not like it was a no-choice situation - he was winning. When he started attacking Lex's drones that were controlling the clone, I expected him to emphasize with the guy and recruit him for help, dropping him at Kent Farm at the end. But, no, he's just killed off.

Only a conservative could get upset over someone saying “Treat others the way you want to be treated.”.

Only a conservative could hear “If you’re strong, don’t pick on the weak” and have an aneurism.

Only a conservative can find objection to “We are what we choose to be everyday”.

>>149364996
Oh fuck, I hope they aren't.
...so yeah given King's nepo status and pull as a "mature author" they might well be. I could see Gunn liking his edgy shit.

>>149364990
Kind of funny how like the talking heads and other things mentioned in >>149364919, in some ways this movie really did repeat BvS' mistakes even if it had a better overall idea than BvS just blatantly making Superman Jesus.

>>149365026
>If you’re strong, don’t pick on the weak
But that's the Democratic creed.
>We are what we choose to be everyday
You will never be a real woman.

They really do nothing with Ultraman, he's just a goon who dies. When that plot point leaked I imagined that at some point he would go full Bizarro and his cells would be too unstable to survive, Superman would try to save him but when it didn't work he'd bury him on the moon and say a Kryptonian prayer to Rao over him.

>>149364964
Woke isn't at it's core support of minorities, unless you want to says that insisting Jews control everything to screw over everyone else is support of white people.

Because woke is same thing, only replaces Jews with white people. Which us what it I'd called being woke/awake. It is a racial truthism, anti-White edition.

>Zod
Irrelevant. Superman's country of origin couldn't be determined when he was found as a baby on US soil. And it couldn't be determined because the planet was destroyed and, at the time, nobody on Earth heard of it anyway, let alone about Zod, who in many continuities has been recognized by own government as a disgraced war criminal.

>>149355354 (OP)
>https://youtu.be/8P09rxVaQAM?si=VzilL4LZcMeB6lbE
If I weren't so lazy, I'd make an AMV featuring that song and My Adventures with Superman.

>>149365040
>Woke isn't at it's core support of minorities
Try finding a woke person who agreed with this, I dare you. It doesn't matter if it's part of the definition of woke or not if all of them tout the concept.

>>149365038
I just don't understand why they didn't simply call him Bizarro, he's literally just Bizarro.

>>149365022
the clone could've keep attacking him while he tried to save it from the black hole, resulting in it falling in. Or Krypto could have been a bad boy and did something to knock him in.

it's weird why they made it how it is

>>149365053
Because Lex is selling him as a product; you don’t call something you want to promote “Bizarro”.

>>149365054
Honestly Krypto being a bad boy and knocking him in while Superman panics is exactly the kind of thing I'd have expected frmo Gunn.

>>149365060
I mean it makes perfect sense in-universe, I just mean for branding purposes if, I assume, WB wants this movie to be the start of a new continuity they've kinda screwed themselves out of introducing the Crime Syndicate innit. Unless Gunn just starts spamming jokes about how there's two Ultramen and one's even more of a loser than the one who got cucked by Owlman.

>>149355770
t. Never socialized with women

Women have zero standards, gang. I’m deadass. If you treat them like they’re fucking losers, they will believe you.

>>149365038
>Superman would try to save him
That's the entire problem. Superman SHOULD have tried to save him. The problem isn't him dying or maybe dying, the problem is supes just flinging him into a black hole without thinking twice.

>>149365064
Yeah I expected that from the movie the whole time BECAUSE it's Gunn. Krypto accidentally kills a villain, supes does a tone-deaf "Krypto! You're a very bad boy!" quip. It writes itself. And yeah, the quip is bad, but letting krypto do it makes more sense and feels better than having supes throw the guy into a fucking black hole.

Has there been a leak link for the movie?

>>149355566
When they say fortress in fortress of solitude, their reference material was a pillow fort. So be thankful Superman has enough room to stand on his feet.

>>149364990
There are parts where he's good, like early on when he's entirely in control and everything is going to plan.
I agree that once he starts crashing out, he starts to fall apart.

>>149365071
The ones with a career, money or both do at least. But even then, confidence and the ability to NOT rise to their bait goes a long way even if you don't lift or whatever. The thing about women is that with exceptions (those are the based ones, like Florence Nightingale), they're intensely social and define success in terms of relationships and status rather than accomplishments. The average normie woman is someone who cares way more about what people she'll never form a meaningful relationship with think about her than you do.

>>149365098
I really feel like Gunn's Lex is saved more by the actor rising to the occasion, than the shit that the script gave him to work with.

>>149356234
I would have liked at least an original soundtrack. And not that old superman theme on loop and repeat constantly throughout the movie. It got boring so quick.
The theme fits an intro or the climax, but it was used for absolutely everything. And it's a very short track, so yikes the looping.

>>149365081
>gang
>deadass

How do you think you can say anything about having standards or self-respect?
You can't even speak properly.

>>149359468
The American immigration system is a nightmare of needless bureaucracy and red tape that takes many long decades from start to finish. Desperate people will do what they have to do for their wellbeing and the wellbeing of their loved ones.

Not helped by Republicans actively stripping innocent people of their lawful resident status and banning migrants and tourists and other foreigners. Except for politically convenient ones like racist Afrikaner nationalists.

“You need to suffer before you come here.” is a morally fucked attitude as is “I suffered coming here so you should suffer too.”. My dad spent 17 years trying to come here from Iraq. I don’t want other people to languish like he did out of some misguided gang initiation logic for naturalization.

>>149365082
I watched it on cytube. Gunnslop garbage. It was so insufferably bad I couldn't finish it.

>>149365139
All of this just makes it all the more baffling so many people WANT to immigrate to America, desu.

>>149365103
The ones with careers, money, or both are even more low standards. No dude is, was, or ever has been impressed by a chick’s status or wealth. They’re actually easier because you completely knock their legs out from underneath them by dismissing their “accomplishments” and treating them like they’re worthless. They can’t help it. They’re hardwired by nature to think being treated with contempt (NOT hostility, CONTEMPT) means they are interacting with a superior person.

>>149365112
If you can understand what is being said, language has been used successfully.

t. Linguistics major

>>149365107
Really? I felt the opposite, that better casting and different acting could've made the script work.

>>149365112
says the retard with IQ so low it can't quote a post right

>>149355354 (OP)
Hawkgirl felt like she was just there to fill in a spot, but she was cute

Lex Luthor felt a lot like Golden Age Dr. Sivana: a genius with six super science schemes running concurrently, all in service of the pettiest imaginable goals.

/co/ hates the popular thing part 248,763.
So predictable and it's all so tiring.
Thanks OP for posting a positive thread, sorry these terminally online losers are ruining it with their infinite nitpicking about the tiniest, dumbest shit that nobody with a life could possibly ever care about.
I also thought it was a great movie.

>>149362130
I don't know how this isn't obvious to everyone

>>149355354 (OP)
I liked it too. I'm happy we're at a point where we can just jump in without half the thing being backstories to catch everyone up.
>Luthor was great but I would've liked in his meltdown he said it was all for humanity rather than himself. Like it was always about him but he wouldn't admit that
>Cameos from Rick Flagg from Creature Commandos wasn't too obnoxious. Peacemaker's one was
>Liked Guy being a massive arsehole
>Mixed on Justice Gang. Like I'm ok with they're being a pre league but they shouldn't already have a Hall of Justice
>Clark Lois stuff was really sweet and didn't have the contrived misunderstanding
>Pa and Ma Kent were great
>Superman clone was kinda lame. The ability to clone Superman is a bit much. Idk make him one of the knockoffs that is mind controlled? Apollo could work and tie in with Engineer for that Authority movie they said they planned
>Overdid Krypto. He really should've been injured after the not Phantom Zone and stayed out of the final act

>>149365082
There's a good cam out on torrents but I had to go private to find one without a watermark constantly bouncing around the screen for some Indian gambling site or some shit

>>149355354 (OP)
[Spoiler] You home country is evil and assimilate to America. Also white saver Superman and Guy Gardner[/Spoiler]

Yeah super woke

>>149365375
>The ability to clone Superman is a bit much.
Agreed. If you're capable of that, why not just clone five of him? You wouldn't even need your weird Tekken simulator to fight him, you could just let your five clones of comparable strength and ability jump him and it's just a numbers game at that point, he dies.

>>149365375
To be fair, this version of Peacemaker is supposed to be kind of obnoxious and lacking self-awareness.

>>149365421
The way that they've explained this in the past is that you're only seeing the clone that worked. Kryptonian DNA is notoriously difficult to work with so there's no telling how many hundreds of clones that Luthor had to create through trial and error to get one that lived to adulthood and was somewhat functional. Also he also hinted that this clone was unstable and had subpar intelligence and will likely break down into Bizarro eventually. In other versions, Luthor had to supplement the clone with human DNA (usually his own) which leads to a Superboy who doesn't have Superman's full powerset.

>>149365421
>if you're capable of that, why not just clone five of him?

In comics all clones become Bizarro, so I have a theory he may have more clones at different stages and may have them imprisoned some where.

>>149365421
Exactly. Also he's going to Belle Reve. If a plot point in Peacemaker or Creature Commandos S2 isn't Amanda Waller trying to make a cloning program it's going to feel weird now.
>>149365427
Oh no I get that but I thought the cameo itself was obnoxious. It was way too long. A quick clip when flicking through channels is fine but it was like 2 minutes and pivotal for Superman doubting himself. I also didn't think Peacemaker was popular enough to be on TV but this Gunnverse Peacemaker vs Synderverse Peacemaker. It might tie in in season 2

>>149365451
I wish they would have mentioned failed clones in the movie. Or maybe had Superman stumble across a pile of them in the rift, adding to his contempt for Lex.

>>149365463
I can see the awkward position they are in. You either show failed clones early and spoil the twist or put it in after he gets arrested and ruin the ending flow.

What's with /tv/ and Superman? Shit's /dbs/ tier discussion over there

>>149355354 (OP)
Still the best Superman ever. New one comes in a close second.

>>149365463
I could maybe see the failed clones showing up in something like Creature Commandoes where they don't have to worry about the CGI budget and they can make them really weird and gross.

>>149364694
funny how rightoids always use "mutilating children" to refer to trans people affirming their identity and not their beloved president being so deep in child trafficking rings he refuses to release the documents pertaining to them despite claiming he would

>>149362130
I FUCK KNEW it wasn't a black hole. that shit is too weak to be a black hole.

>>149365568
Troons don't deserve to have an identity at all.

>>149365568
>funny how rightoids always use "mutilating children" to refer to trans people affirming their identity
You freaks were pushing that shit on kids. Don't pretend that didn't happen.

>>149365060
Oh shit I just had a thought.

>they actually get to Earth-3 for a future JL movie
>Earth-3 is predictably called 'Ultraman'
>Alexander's clone is 'Superman'
>yfw

I can't believe lexs whole scheme was yet another real estate one

>>149365953
Gotta make clear Lex IS the most evil of the corpos, after all.

>>149365953
The section of the country that Lex Luthor wanted was stated to be rich in rare mineral deposits so maybe there is something there that he wants that he can't find anywhere else.

>>149355354 (OP)
I liked it overall, but I wish it stuck closer to the tone of the first 30 minutes. The interview scene was great. I would’ve liked to see more of that. I think Gunn did a great job at world building and getting the characters right, but I would like to see someone take these same characters and make a more serious movie. This felt more like a Superboy movie to be honest, which I love

>>149363756
Leftists pretending that woke isn't intentionally being used ironically to mock how hyperbolic their beliefs are will never not be funny

did they really need to have Superman go up and say "We should execute the Israeli leadership"

>>149355354 (OP)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P09rxVaQAM
God damn I haven't heard this song in YEARS

>>149365988
>>149365963
No I know I just found it funny that's been his plan in all the movies except snyders

>>149355680
Yeah Hoult sells that shock really well, the way Lex says "I didn't expect that to go so quick" felt genuine even for a sociopath like Lex. Like he's a bit surprised he killed the guy but he's more surprised he actually killed him before breaking Superman's resolve

>>149366155
...well I was about to say Superman Returns but uh, damn it's actually the MOST real estate-coded Luthor plan.

>>149355788
Yeah Pre-Crisis Jimmy got laid all the fucking time

>Gunnverse Mossad is a legion of cyborg monkeys on typewriters
I don’t know why this is so fucking funny to me

>>149363509
>go back
>Xwitter
I accept your concession, sister

The movie tries to do too many things at once, but man, did I have a blast watching it.

>>149364598
>>no discussion of actual left wing beliefs
The movie is about how the interests of Capitalist corporations and Statist regiemes are fundamentally alligned and ideologically justified through the same petty self-serving "Great-Man" motives

>>149365988
>maybe there is something there that he wants that he can't find anywhere else
Kryptonite?
His whole goal IS killing superman, the rest of his shit was just cover for that.

>>149367983
I actually wish it was more blatant or went further with the messaging but I did like that we actually got a leftist Superman movie for once.

>>149355354 (OP)
Its a financial success so expect to see people saying its not woke but actually secretly based.

>>149366021
A man of the people

>>149368041
>aliens wanting to breed locals out is bad
yes, I'm thinking based.

>>149368041
>Its a financial success
No it isn't.

>>149368831
lol

>>149355354 (OP)
I want to watch it, but many posts in this thread seem artificial/advertising. ngtl

It's up.
https://youtu.be/8dtgH9Y4c78?si=rGXR6EthiaP8TN27

>>149368911
>Well-cast characters
>Schizophrenic plot
>Too many characters
>Too many shitty jokes
The Drinker never misses.

So is Gunnverse Lex a Fighting Game grinder?

>>149355512
>zoomie who thinks the boys invented clones number 5,702,860,938,929

>>149365081
>into a black hole
Bizzaro World, tard.

>>149365139
All you have to do is take a few classes and get an American ID you fucking pussy. Oh, and get a job. And not commit crime. That's all these people have to do. Only criminals are being deported.

>pedophile puts himself on a movie poster while trying to ignore breaking a promise to expose his pedophile best friend

Pathetic.

>>149369052
>THAT FUCKING ALIEN DAIGO PARRIED ME

>>149369144
>too cowardly to directly criticize someone who doesn't know you exist on an anonymous imageboard

>>149369155
>1A is plus on block! Hit it again!
>And again!
>And again!
>If he's not adapting I'm not going to stop using it!

>>149369144
Another 14 trillion to Israel!

I thought it was awesome. Yeah, it had some flaws, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives.

>>149362130
It's not a bizarre reference. They're just ripping off the Zelda game Echoes of Wisdom

During that final scene after Lex’s scheme went public and he was making the angry faces at supes I thought for sure he was gonna atleast throw a petty punch at him but he didnt and I was very disappointed

>>149369126
Shows how little you know about the American immigration system.
College gets you an F1. F1 gets you an OPT, which lets you work for either 1 or 3 years depending on whether you got a STEM degree (note: Trump tried to strike out the 2-year extension in his first term, because it's entirely under the executive branch's purview).
During that time you can apply for a work visa. (H-1B). The H-1B is so oversubscribed that it is an annual lottery with 1/3 chance of getting it, no matter how qualified you are. Also it can only last for a maximum of 6 years (3+3extension). Lose the lottery and you have to leave. Also it's tied to an employer and it's a pain to change companies.
You only other option here is to apply for an O1 (for extraordinary talent, which unfortunately is easier gamed by artists than e.g. an engineer), or go straight for a green card, which is such a long multi-step process that it's not worth getting into here. Let's just say that if you're from one of the cursed countries (China, India), you can be waiting anywhere between 5 years to a more than a decade to get a green card.
>>149365162
because the opportunities and upside are that good

>>149365463
just drop in that line when Lex explains that he's a clone. Instead Lex kind of suggests that it was fucking easy, all he needed to do was find the DNA

>>149363756
>But Woke just means [headcanon]
It absolutely does not mean that.

>>149355583
There was a story where Lex managed to fanagle his way into becoming an actual, tangible, living god who radiated peace and joy into the universe, to the point where entropy itself stopped, Death took her first break *ever* and everyone and everything felt absolute cosmic bliss. This however was done by essentially hijacking an existing gods power, and as a last second "fuck you, Lex", said god made it so Lex could only use its power for good.....and not, say, destroy Superman like the ant he is to Luthor now, like he was hoping to do in the first place. Otherwise, the power would destabilize, Lex would go back to being a normal human and the universe would go back to being it usual death filled shit show.
All he had to do to ensure that he alone was the source of all that was good and true for all of reality was to simply give up his grudge against Superman.
And he
just
couldn't
do it
I think you're VASTLY underestimating the depths of which Lex Luthor haaaaaaaaaates Superman, anon

Was Hawkgirl even an alien in this version? Seems like that could have been relevant.

>>149355430
Underrated post, kekarot

>>149369617

>>149355693
>she showed no love for him
I got this too. No one who loves someone would have interviewed them the way she did. That was just cold and analytical.

>>149355721
That sounds absolutely abhorrent. Superman is supposed to be an escapist fantasy for the boys and men who place him on a pedestal. No man wants a "girl boss". No man on the planet finds the idea of a girl wearing the pants and being dominant an attractive quality. Independent? Good for you. You just signaled to virtually every male partner that you do not need them and would never surrender yourself to them. It goes against programming and damages women irreversibly.

>>149356232
My penis would turn to steel inside of it, so I'll let you know

>>149355354 (OP)
>whats with james gunn and having absolutely banger soundtracks for his movies.
There wasn't a single good track in Superman.

How come when we see who seemed to be Sapphire Stagg she's living in a crappy apartment and looks poor?

>>149355354 (OP)
My only critique is I feel like they played up the folksiness of the Kents to the point of parody

>>149370522
Maybe she moved in with Rex because Simon Stagg doesn't approve.

>>149355354 (OP)
>Up there with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, The Lego Batman Movie and The Batman.
You forgot this one

>>149369561
>I specifically chose the most assblasted method of immigration possible
>Why is it so hard?
You didn't take the classes and get the ID. It's that easy for others, because they wait to come here until theyre approved.

>>149355354 (OP)
Was Metamorpho stupid?
Why didn't he just help Clark from the start? He wasn't outright a villain so he didn't actually want to hurt him, and Clark has built up a reputation of being a trustworthy guy. It took Lex killing some random dude for him to turn on him? Had he just helped Clark earlier they both would have gotten out of that situation much earlier and much easier

>>149355354 (OP)
The only thing I disliked was the actress they picked for Supergirl. She's really ugly.

>this movie is woke and that's a good thing
Congrats OP, I've never seen someone shoot themselves in the foot so quickly. No one wants to watch Superman tell us about how we should've voted Blue last year.

>>149371167
He already knows Lex is a bad guy and is working for him extremely reluctantly but seeing him murk some dude right in front of him, not even be a little upset about it, and promise to bring in more people to keep doing it convinces him to take the risk of helping Supes where before it seemed like the safe move was to comply.

>>149370869
What classes and what ID? You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>149355354 (OP)
kys libturd shill
>RDT0R

>>149369244
No Brave and the Bold?

>>149369244
Teen Titans Trouble in Tokyo is there but not Teen Titans Go to the Movies? Really?

>>149355583
But Lex is THAT petty, there’s a comic were he achieves godhood and he can do everything and solve everything and be a benefit for humanity and prove he’s better than Superman once and for all yet he foregoes all of that to try and kill Superman.

Most of that character’s incarnations are like that, the one exception is Smallville’s Lex Luthor and that’s because that show made him more levelheaded and explored a friendship with Clark.

>>149357082
This movie did touch a few nerves.

>>149357732
>thinks jonah hex and gi joe rise of the cobra are good movies
I have no idea why people think this guy is smart

Every ragebait youtube faggot in Mauler/Drinker's social circle is grasping at straws to shit on this movie. They've become parodies of themselves unable to talk about anything unless its negative, because it has become their persona/content

>>149355354 (OP)
>Will stop the invasion of some Middle Eastern backwater
>Lets hundreds of thousands suffer in North Korea every single day
Will this ever be addressed ?

>>149371913
>Highly advanced
Holy fucking shit

>>149371913
Having seen the movie they basically tried to make it as generic as possible by making the Boravians be Russians (they even speak Russian I think) and the Jahanpurians be Palestinians. They muddy the waters a bit more by making Boravia a US ally.

>>149365568
taking the other sex's hormones is literally the punishment they used to inflict on gays, because it neuters you.
Nevermind taking your own sex's hormones might have actually fixed you kinda.
anyway how the fuck does that relate to this movie
>>149355354 (OP)
uhh... wow, you've really dropped the mask. Aren't you guys usually pretending you're on that side, and that we're the ones who hate them? That's the /pol/ narrative.

>>149364613
Not even just that
It's specifically for punching him while he's down. All of the commands are for specific poses
Great little bit of character writing

>>149363756
Why are leftists trying to reclaim woke? No one's falling for this.

>>149373136
It certainly is an unfortunate couple of similarities (basically those two: lighter skin color than the other side and US ally).
But if you put aside Israel for a bit, whenever you want oppressed country vs. militarily superior invader, it's almost always the darker skin for the poorer country in movies.

>Kal-El, you need to breed as many human women as possible to secure a future for the Kryptonian race. I’m also sending your cousin so you can establish a pure-blooded overclass of true heirs. We love you, son.

Odd characterization of Jor-El by Gunn.

>>149355354 (OP)
What was your Superman, man?

>>149355354 (OP)
I can't believe James Gunn literally gave the finger to Israel in a billion dollar movie.

>>149375587
Would you do it if you were him?

>>149375587
It makes sense. An intergalactic cop who usually doesn't give a fuck about the small time shit on Earth, it being a single planet, wouldn't care about the petty religious conflicts between two desert tribes. So Guy has no reason to be sensitive or even a little bit understanding about that stupid shit.

>>149373136
Between the fact that the president had a russian sounding accent and the map showed that Boravia shared a border with Markovia where Geoforce was from and he was also Rusisan as fuck in the cartoons, I didn't realize the country was supposed to be Israel coded until the threads here.

This movie was like a mid-90s Superman comic that you read and immediately forget.

>>149376398
>I didn't realize the country was supposed to be Israel coded until the threads here.
I don't think it is supposed to be Israel, they have Russian accents and wear Russian style military uniforms, but Jarhanpur is just generically Middle Eastern. It feels more like Gunn trying to combine his GWB era political satire with the Russia/Ukraine war. When they mention that Jarhanpur has petroleum deposits you can tell that Gunn is still thinking in terms of Iraq and Afghanistan, he does the same thing in Creature Commandos, and The Suicide Squad basically. His sense of humor feels about 15 years out of date as well.

>>149366021
>>149375587
>>149376398
>>149376475
Someone on /tv/ theorized that given the time the script was made before Israel sunk their global pr, Gunn made them not-Russia but threw in actual non Russian elements to distance itself from the current Russia vs Ukraine conflicts
>They're not Russia, they're one of America's closest allies
>They're not Russia, they're invading a vaguely Middle Eastern country and not Ukraine
And by sheer coincidence, they ended up looking like Israel

>>149376503
>They're not Russia, they're one of America's closest allies
This had to be in the script from the beginning because otherwise the plot doesn't work. If they're not a US ally why would the government deputize Luthor neutralize Superman?

>>149355354 (OP)
How come you don't say anything about THIS Superman movie

>>149355354 (OP)
if Perry and Olsen can figure out Superman and Lois are hooking up how come they don't show any suspicion at Clark being missing practically the whole movie. Could have dropped a line about his excuse like him taking time off or something instead of nothing at all

>>149376398
He also acts like Trump while looking like Boris Johnson, it's an amalgamation

The point is that it's a US ally that's masscreing innocent brown people with US support

>>149377962
Feels like a deleted scene. Luthor talks about kidnapping Clark next, maybe his goons showed up at the Daily Planet and they thought he went into hiding or something.

>>149369617
God, The Black Ring was just so fucking FUN. Comics at their best.

>>149356153
Jimmy and Perry literally say that Supes (Clark) and Lois are dating for 3 months now.

>>149371167
>powered by the orb of Ra
>makes a sun for Superman
Pottery.

>>149356800
"I'M ENVIOUS BECAUSE OF HOW POWERFUL AND LIKED YOU ARE SUPERMAN!!!"

What a weak and trash motivation, why would he not try and become a superhero himself and just outshine him then? If all he wants is for everyone to really like him how does killing superman achieve this? Surely they'd just gravitate to the next hero like Mr terrific, green lantern, etc. His motivation doesn't connect him to superman when being petty about a hero being liked and more famous could apply to ALL superheroes.

Rather than a concern about humanity's achievements being made redundant in the face of an alien that's just naturally better than us, instead he's an annoying teenage girl whining the new kid gets more attention.

>>149373136
>>149376398
>>149376475
>it's supposed to be Russia, not Israel
russia is not us ally in ukr/rus conflict and ukrainians are not low tech goatfuckers (they were actually the first to use dronefare over russians). also according to hamasniks, jews are white now and should go "back" to poland/ukraine/russia. the whole pro-pali narrative - hinges on that. so if the not-israelis are depicted as slavic white collonizers with superior wapons hunting brown childrn - that is exactly what they want to see.
sure it's still kept ambiguous enough. but it was clearly painted over to resemble [the current thing]. boravia/markovia/etc pseudo countries were always vessels for projecting foreign happenings in DCU. Normally in europe, hence why it feels a bit jarring when it was middle-east-coated all of a sudden.
I'm sure if the info tag of war was on israeli side - they would've depicted it the other way around. hollywood was always like that, it always catered to the [current mood]. remember the war on terror and 300?

>>149355354 (OP)
I actually thought the soundtrack was pretty weak. Mostly just variations on the John Williams theme.

>>149379594
I like that Guy actually took the time to reassure the kid

>>149356390
Hawkgirl of murder.

>>149355354 (OP)
The plot is basically Superman getting canceled. This is not resolved by Superman beating the allegations somehow, but instead by Lois and Jimmy out-smearing his accuser. What did James Gunn mean by this?

>>149379723
>Superman unilaterally intervenes to prevent an invasion by scooping up a country's leader and scolding him while pushing him against a cactus
>Mixed reactions from the public, considered a ghastly overreach by some
>Hawkgirl straight up murders the same guy for the exact same reason
>Everyone cheers

>>149379804
But you see, she is brown.
Intifada is rightfully her's.

>>149355876
>It was the best of times, it was the... BLURST of times?!

>>149356356
I feel like that was straight up a fabrication. A message that espouses nothing but love and hope suddenly veering into "Conquer the lands and take the women", all in an inscrutable alien language with very few actual sources for translation? I don't buy it.

>>149357007
A few years I would have thought that this Lex was a ridiculous strawman.
Then I found out how actual techbro billionaires think and act. Yeah, if given the means to pull that kind of shit, they WOULD do that.

>>149357741
She's literally made of nanomachines, son.

>>149379754
>Superman gets cancelled because a recorded message told him to be a conqueror
>he beats the allegations by continuing to not do that

>>149365162
The current strategy for curbing immigration to America appears to be by making it such a shit place to live that nobody will want to go.

>>149365375
>Mixed on Justice Gang. Like I'm ok with they're being a pre league but they shouldn't already have a Hall of Justice
The Hall looked like an older building. Most likely, it was once the headquarters of the Justice Society of America before eventually being mothballed, and the Gang is now in the middle of having it restored.

>>149376503
Feels more like Azerbaijan fucking over Armenia to me. The Armenians get no help from anyone because they're technically allied with the Russians, but you can bet that Ivan ain't coming to save them.

>>149379938
>>149356356

>>149357049
yeah they had Flagg in there, and he was clearly displeased with what was going on, but he was following his orders at the time. We know hes not a bad guy cause of Creature Commandos, and he apologized to Supes before putting him in prison.

Personally I don't think he knew the full extent of the prison, thats just headcanon tho

>>149379153
as for you dude thats literally his classic motivation of all time. If he didn't hate superman he'd literally just be Tony Stark and he'd be on the Justice League as one of their fiercest and most dedicated allies. He literally did save the planet in the comics after the JL got their ass beat, and he was in the Justice League for a few years cause of it, this actually happened. Point being is that his motivation is also his biggest weakness, cause If he wasn't obsessed with Superman, he wouldn't even be a villain.

>>149365421
>why not just clone five of him?
I think he would need more than a strand of hair if he wants to clone more than one.

>>149374514
I'm surprised Clark never boned his cousin considering his upbringing is in the South.

>see memes of people seeing the movie and wanting to or being inspired to do good with there fellow man
>People on this board see the movie and double down on wanting to kill all non-white people

>>149380652
If you haven't figured out by now that this board and this site in general is mostly populated by shitty people, I don't know what to tell you. I basically barely come here anymore, just whenever a big superhero movie drops so I can read the discourse.

>>149380538
>laughing PCR technicians.jpg

>>149379858
White bad. Man wrong.
White man bad and wrong.
He's badong.
And they're trying to say this movie isn't pushing the same ol' agenda.

>>149355354 (OP)
Does it have gorillas like classic DC?

>>149382054
No but it does have monkeys

>>149360422
He only showed concern not for himself but for the baby

>>149355354 (OP)
No James Gunn, I will not watch your Reddit capeslop.

>>149380022
The whole point was that it cast shade on his motives so that you can't trust that he's acting in good faith, even if he's just helping people. It's a really messy PR moment that would take a lot to ameliorate, but the movie just flips it on and off. Really the movie treats media in general strangely. I get how you could say "just like real life, maaaan" with people being fickle and flip flopping so quickly, but the speed and intensity of it just feels surreal and not in a straightforward comic book exaggeration sort of way like other elements of the movie.