Serious question, did kids actually like Snarf?

>>149367201 (OP)
I never see furry porn of him, so doubt it

>>149367214
Furry porn of Snarf. Why would you conjure such an image?

>>149367232
It's a decent way to tell if the autistic weirdos latched onto him or not. And I don't think they did

>>149367201 (OP)
Does anyone even actually hold any opinions on Thundercats other than "i remember watching it" and "i liked the toys"? I've never seen anyone discuss what actually happened in any He-man or Thundercats show. I hear a little about Transformers, The Super Mario SuperShow and Gi-Joe since they had bat shit insane plots, but never Thundercats. I don't think even the crew of Robot Chicken actually remembers

>>149367242
>It's a decent way to tell if the autistic weirdos latched onto him or not.
This is true, but still...

>>149367259
They had to pretend they liked it so they could complain about the Cartoon Network parody show

>>149367259
I know what you mean. I have started watching Thundercats for the first time, and it's actually crazy-well animated (leave it to the Japanese), unlike it's contemporaries, especially Transformers which went off model and had cel stacking errors all the damn time.
The stories so far have been solid, but I think the characters are a little stagnant and same-y. Lion-O has that whole "kid in an adult body" thing, but that's only played intermittently, Tygra and Panthro behave almost identically, Cheetara is basically just "the girl one" and the Thunderkittens are inconsistent as to whether they behave like kids or adults, or are just not in the show at all. Snarf actually stands out the most in terms of personality, but in the worst way.
Still I'm only a few episodes in, and it's an 80s Saturday morning cartoon, so I'll give it more time.

>>149367201 (OP)
No. He is the Anti Mascot character. Mascot pet characters are usually cute or fun usually with a mischievous personality.

Snarf is literally the nagging anti fun character. He has an annoying manner of speech. And he looks like an old man nothing about him was marketable. On a similar note Pirates of Dark Water also made the same mistake with their mascot character, annoying voice and looks like a haggard old man bird.

I think executives learned the hard way that if you're going to have a mascot it needs to be cute. This is why Disney's Stitch is such a success. Stitch is cute but also fun to watch due to being chaotic engaging in misadventures.

Snarf was so bad that not even furries liked him. The one thing the Thundercats anime did right was radically change Snarf and literally made him the opposite of what he was....

He looked young.
He could not talk.
He was a supportive yet slightly mischievous character.

No one hated remake Snarf.

>>149367232
Robot Chicken did a sketch about Snarf having sex with all the women leaving the Thundercat men with sloppy seconds. If the only mainstream if you will media that shows a character like Snarf having sex is Robot Chicken then you know this character is brutally hated by the fans.

>>149367259
Thundercats was not good. It beat the Ninja Turtles at being the first cartoon about animal action heroes but Thundercats characters look so human that many people give Ninja Turtles the win when it comes to this.

Thundercats is basically a Legend of Zelda cartoon in that its a bunch of medieval and sci fi episodic adventures and despite having an attempt at lore it was sloppy. There really wasn't any reason to watch it especially when console gaming was taking off impressing audiences with games like Legend of Zelda.

>>149367389
>Snarf is literally the nagging anti fun character. He has an annoying manner of speech. And he looks like an old man nothing about him was marketable.

Forgot to mention Snarf is also fat so that's another strike against him. Fat characters aren't popular especially for mascots.

I do think Thundercats is a good style companion to MOTU.
MOTU has a Robert E. Howard Conan vibe while Thundercats has a kind of Edgar Rice Boroughs John Carter/Tarzan feeling.

>>149367539
And of course the new crossover toyline is awesome.

>>149367539
>MOTU has a Robert E. Howard Conan

Seriously? He-Man lost popularity due to the gay overtones. Conan doesn't get that, does help Conan's movie is edgy violent cool. He-Man on the other hand had a homo movie. And another thing what kind of title is He-Man? That's awkward. It sounds like He's A Man. That's not a good title for the hero of a franchise. It would be like if Mario Bros was titled Italian Stereotype.

I prefer Thundarr

>>149367611
Looks like Simon Belmont from Castlevania.

>>149367201 (OP)
no Snarf single handedly ruined the show, and overall brought the show down.

>>149367201 (OP)
>Snurf snurf op is Snurf snurf faggot Snurf

>>149367589
>Seriously? He-Man lost popularity due to the gay overtones. Conan doesn't get that
Well that's because MOTU was a Saturday morning cartoon for small children and had to be somewhat sanitised, and it ended up being kinda campy, which is a dangerous game to play when your main characters are all muscle men. That being said, actually watching He-Man and there isn't really any gay vibe to it, so think the joke came from people who never watched the show. Remember bodybuilders were considered weird and kinda fruity by the general public until Schwarzenegger and Pumping Iron.

>And another thing what kind of title is He-Man?
He-Man is an old colloquialism that means a man who is the definition of masculine strength, "a man's man" strong, intelligent, confident, virile. Men want to be him, women want to be with him.
The gay acceptance boom of the 70s and 80s kinda ruined all that stuff.

>>149367259
I do. Lemme rest a bit and I'll tell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT3cl4GJIDs

Even with the annoying bird this was metal as hell

>>149367259
I remember loving Cheetarah from the 2011 reboot.

>The only thing people remember from your show at all is the cool theme song.
>Better not use it at all.

>>149367232
I mean Snarf from the first and second reboots were pretty fuckable

>>149367201 (OP)
I remember him being fairly harmless as far as annoying animal sidekicks go.

>>149367259
The Lion-O's trials series of episodes blew my 6 years old's mind back then. The fact that not only Lion-O had to beat every Thundercat at their specialty ending with beating Mumm-Ra alone without the Sword of Omens but it was also my first contact with cartoons having continuity.
Also when they found the other survivors of their planet was cool even if now I know it was just a way of selling more toys.

>>149367201 (OP)

No. Most comedy reliefs were not liked. Snarf, Wonderdog, Gleek.

>>149367739
Nobody gave a shit about it being LOL GAY. That's pure gen x teenager bull

>>149367201 (OP)
No. I was all about Wilykit.

>>149368280
>That's pure gen x teenager bull
That's what it struck me as. Hell I didn't even fully que that the Fabulous Secret Powers video was referencing the gay He-Man joke. I suppose if people want to see homo stuff they'll see it anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR7wOGyAzpw

Cheetara owes me sex

>>149367369
Lion-O being a kid in a man's body is abandoned the second Lion-O wakes up and goes "Guess I'm a man now." The scope of the series really should've been training the boy man to be their leader.

>>149368487
Get in line buckaroo. Though depending on your preferences, maybe there's enough to go around.

>>149367201 (OP)
Here's the wild thing. Kids liked Orko on He-Man but did not like Snarf on Thundercats. I think it was Snarf having a beard making him look like a man's head on a cat's body making children uncomfortable or that he's comic relief that isn't funny. At least Orko is worth a laugh when his magic literally blows up in Man-At-Arms's face.

>>149368550
Nude Cheetara is canon

>>149367201 (OP)
I didn't hate him, he was just another character

>>149367270
This

>>149368528
I knew that there was a whole thing about Lion-O being a kid before they left their homeworld and being a man by the time the rest awoke from suspended animation, but I figured it was some kind of thing about his pod being damaged or being flung through a wormhole, not "you still age while in the pod" because it makes no sense for Wilykit and WilyKat to still be children then.
Personally I think it would have been better for him to have somehow been sent ahead of them and had to learn to survive on his own before the rest of the ship had arrived. That way they could have had him be an adult, but without anyone to talk to or to teach him, all his knowledge is based on what he thought as a child. Or something like that.

>>149367214
>>149367232
Better look into this

>>149368571
It's baffling that they included this.

>>149367259
Thundercats is goofy, but it's by no means bad. No one talks about it because there's so much other shit to talk about. For it's time, it was great. Far better than He-Man's goofy antics. Now, the whole IP is so far removed from people's memories that the only thing most people might think of when you mention it is the dumpster fire that was the TTGO rip-off, or the 2011 series which has an exceptionally high amount of potential that was squandered horribly for its entire run.

>>149367214
There was no need to say that

>>149367242
Okay fair point

>>149368634
His pod was damaged.

>>149367358
People don't have to pretend to like something actually good, you queer.

>>149367259
Alright. First of all I want to say that as I matured I found more things to like in Thundercats, as opposed to He-Man where I came to like the same things even more.
First, Thundercats. The Third Earth was D&D in Space on Earth. I love how it mixed scifi with fantasy and had a diverse biome. Every episode up until the Lunatics expanded the setting by introducing a new location or people.
Then there was Lion-O. He had this cool glove that fired a rope, and a sword that transformed and fired a batsignal for cats that strengthened his friends and could pierce solid rock!
And who could forget Mumm-Ra? He would chant to his evil statues and transform into a buff dude who flies and shoots beams! Cool stuff.

When I grew up I realized who Lion-O and Mumm-Ra really were.
Lion-O was a child who lost his home, his loved ones and his expected future. At the start of the series the Thundercats are the last of a dying race. Lion-O woke up to find that he has lost a chunk of his lifespan, his mentor/father figure is dead, and the remaining thunderans looked up to him for leadership. And he increased his burden by extending protection to the friendly races that he encountered. He took it all in stride and he excelled in his role. He was a child but he was a great man.

Mumm-Ra was a broken man. He feared his own reflection not because he was so ugly that he scared himself, but because he didn't want to dwell on the cost of his actions and deals.
Third Earth is a post-apocalyptic setting. The reason there is so much wilderness and the various races are isolationist snd disorganized is because all the civilizations that imposed order and infrastructure have long since died, including Mumm-Ra's.

>>149368765
cont.
Growing up you become familiar with anxious fears. The kinds that make you afraid of trying again in case you fail and get hurt, or to return to old things/places. My understanding of Mumm-Ra is that he is devastated by the end of his civilization. Like the Thundercats, he is among the last "survivors". He wants to shut down and not think about anything, like how we want to sleep forever when we are depressed. Any activity around us is bringing us back to reality, and any implied mention of the thing that depresses us makes us terrified and angry.
The Thundercats are causing a stir on Third Earth by affecting change. Not only are they keeping him from drifting to mental nothingness but the change will eventually reach him and wipe away the last remains of his dead civilization.
Not that I'm trying to say that the villain is the real victim because muh depresshun or anything. He is still an evil sorcerer serving evil gods.
Another thing I came to appreciate is how cunning Mumm-Ra is. He observes, he plots, and he sets others in motion. He doesn't need to power up to be a threat. His mummy form is a different flavour of dangerous.

>>149368660
More people talk about Thundercats from it being on Toonami during the Moltar era than it being a daily syndicated show in the 1980s. If you were a kid in 1985, Thundercats were a mockbuster of Masters of the Universe. It really didn't get its flowers until the late 1990s.

>>149368720
No, he has a point. The more porn you find of a character, the deeper connection someone has with it. Notice horse show won't fucking die even though even Hasbro stopped making the shit and a lot of that comes from the porn. People hate to admit it but it is the same with Steven Universe and Gravity Falls.

>>149368660
This relates to a post I made on /toy/
I think it'd be interesting to see shows like Thundercats get a new series every couple years the same way TMNT does. Basically every generation of kids gets their own version, but given how bad everything has become, it's probably for the best that it doesn't.
Other anons mentioned that 2011 ended up failing, and Roar was obviously a disaster from conception.

>>149368806
I didn't watch it until it was on Toonami either, but even for its time, being alongside DBZ, Tenchi, and Sailor Moon, Thundercats was never considered bad or unenjoyable. It only really got better the further in the series went.

>>149368872
Speaking of Roar I just watched the first 2 episodes. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Also I fucking at this art style. It was kinda charming when Adventure Time did it, but everything else that has copied this fake 1930s rubber hose style has just been painful. And what is it about this specific style that seems to require every character to mince around as though they're camp and a row of tents? Or behave as though whatever is in front of them is the most important thing that has ever happened to them "but it's also like totally chill and not at all a big deal."
It's just tiring.

>>149368765
>>149368784
you make me like Mumm-Ra more

>>149367259
Now about He-Man. Like the Thundercats it's world combines scifi and fantasy, and almost every episode introduces some new race/location/item. He-Man's animation is...infamous though I've always liked it.
As a kid I liked the music, the backgrounds, Teela and the Sorceress's beauty, He-Man's overall heroism, and Skeletor having a comical side to him. As an adult I appreciate all these things even more. I appreciate the skill that went into drawing the backgrounds and the kinda ominous barbarian dark fantasy they promised the viewer. I've come to like He-Man even more because he always kept his cool and used his intellect in addition to his muscles (though that was because of the censors at the time). Teela is still hot, but now I also appreciate her courage and good intent. And Skeletor verbally abuses everyone he talks to. Plus he looks kinda metal.

>>149368991
Another thing I like about him is that I remember him disliking the people from his own time. One moment he is the angry echo of the past and the next moment he is like "oh no, not this asshole..."

for such a classic babe there's so little porn of Cheetara
it's a shame

>>149368854
Dont get me twisted, hes 100% right, this is just a general understanding


He just didnt need to say it out loud

>>149369314
As much as AI slop can be a rampant cancer, I think it has potential for bolstering numbers.
Much like >>149368854 points out, MLP has a strong porn presence, to the point where I'm sure there are people who don't even like the show whack it to ponies. AI could be used to get some semi-decent material going, which could intern attract real artists, which will bring in more and maybe we'll see more Thundercats in general. Remember how Camel by Camel had a mild resurgence because of a horny Egyptian cat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsR-xciOTg

>>149369464
I'd rather have no art than fake art

>>149369471
I'd rather have fake art mimicking good artists than bad art.

>>149369587
still more interesting to look at than slop desu

>>149367214
There's a lot. You haven't looked for it.

>>149367201 (OP)
The comic relief characters in TV shows were never effective on me, but I always adored them in animated movies. The raccoon/pug sub-plot in Pocahontas, the gargoyles in Hunchback, Mushu in Mulan, Timon & Pumbaa so much that I watched the TV show and played some PC game back in the day.

I don't know why TV comic relief was ass but they worked in movies. Better pacing?

>>149367201 (OP)
No

>>149369658
You probably like Liefeld.

>>149368487
*Chilla

>>149369464
>bolstering numbers
why though? that just means when someone finally does do a good drawing of her it'll stand out less.

Old man here. My dad insisted all the time as a kid that I loved the Thundercats the most, but I have no memory of watching the show outside of the theme song, I do have fond memories of the toys tho, I had Lion-O, I had the gray one and a Walrus guy who was awesome and the Thundercat car.
I vividly remember other shows from the 80's no problem, but Thundercats, nothing.
I did watch the show as an adult, it was fucking terrible, other 80's toons aren't half as obvious it's a toy commercial. Thundercats is on sell mode all of the time.

>>149369922
Because internet traffic leads to prominence. Everything acts like it's in an ocean now, if you have more content being created then you're paddling, if not then you're sinking and will eventually disappear.

>>149369949
Sounds like either Tuska Warrior or Doc Walro.

>>149369949
>other 80's toons aren't half as obvious it's a toy commercial. Thundercats is on sell mode all of the time.
I'm watching the series now, and I am not getting that at all. It feels more like an adventure with recurring elements. Transformers kept introducing new characters all the time to sell more toys and that really kept any regulars from growing.

>>149367201 (OP)
Thunder cats was a bit before my time so I didn't really grow up with it, but I did see reruns of it as a kid in the 90s sometimes

I remember having 0 opinions on snarf. he was just there. I didn't find hm annoying or anything but I think the show would be largely unchanged if he weren't in it.

>>149367214
You're why God abandoned us.

Snarf was meant to be slightly annoying to the audience, because he was slightly annoying to the main characters, particularly Lion-O.

It certainly wasn't enough to affect one's enjoyment of the show.

He was nowhere near as irritating as, say, Webbigail, from the original Ducktales.

Need cold hearted monster gf

>>149369993
In classic Thundercats, they say everyone's name a lot. Instead of pronouns you would use in natural dialog they say everyone's name regardless of the situation. It's very noticeable

>>149369702
>Kitsune-Youkai
Goddamn....

>>149369702
https://e621.net/posts/3722307?
>>149370427
Hello fellow furfag :3

>>149367201 (OP)
Kids liked Cheetara for some reason.

>>149368571
>nude Wilykit & 'Kat
O baby

>>149368571
Yes, in multiple formats.

The only good thing about this series is just Jackalman

>>149367214
this

>>149367259
Everyone likes the opening, but only Gen-X people watched the show.

>>149367201 (OP)
Not as a kid, no.
Now I just want to hear what sounds he'd make when he's bouncing on it.

I've always kind of wondered this.

Like, you ever see a piece of media from the past and just question if anyone actually liked it? Like, even with TV and film being so novel at the time and culture and morals being different sometimes I just watch old TV shows and movies and wonder how the hell anyone could like it.

Hanna Barbara shows are a good example since so many of them are the same with just a different coat of paint, same characters, jokes, actors. Like not only should it have gotten tiring after a while but even still the style and pun a minute humor is just so fucking bad it baffles me that so many people didn't think these shows where garbage.

>>149371453
JACKALMAN I LOVE YOU AND ALSO MANY FANDOMS LOVE YOU

JACKALMAN FOR TOUHOU

>>149371688
Based on my understanding, Hanna Barbara was heavily sustained by era specific memes.
Yogi Bear for example, is built around doing an impression of Art Carney from the Honeymooners. It was just a weak novelty overall but enough for some out of the overproduced slop to stick.

>>149367259
I eeally liked it as a kid back when they ran it on cartoon network during the 90s. I legitmately do consider it above average for a merchandise based cartoon from its time period. I think its best episodes were the ones where they met interesting one offs like the demolisher. The 2011 reboot seemed like it was oretty neat but I didnt watch alot of cartoons at that time so I really cant comment much about it.