Realistically, what would happen if Superman showed up to a warzone, disarmed both sides and made everyone shake hands? He doesn't kill anyone, he doesn't become a dictator, he just takes away all their guns and bombs before wagging his finger at them and returning to the Fortress of Solitude. And he keeps coming back to do it every single time a conflict starts. What would the global reaction be? Obviously everyone would hate it, but what could they do? He's Superman. And technically he's just helping people. Would a government call a meeting and say "Superman, it's bad that you're disarming our soldiers. You have to let us keep killing people"?

>>149367447 (OP)
The second Superman gets taken out, everything would go back to being shit because it’s not an organic peace process. The Israelis would back to being jingoistic scumbags, and the Palestinians would go back to terrorism and say the peace talks were meaningless because Superman forced them against their will.

>>149367447 (OP)
So basically now any country can surprise attack another country free of any real risk because Superdick will intervene before the attacked country can get their payback.

>>149367447 (OP)
Fox News would call him woke and illegal and would also call him antisemitic for not letting Israel bomb gaza
Tiktokers would be pumping out fancams and thirst edits all day

>>149367489
If Superman is able to live long enough to stamp out any "the south will rise again" type of sentiments, then it could work.
It would take generations of being under Superman's heel until people finally let go of their ancestral grudges, or are put into a position where they would no longer be aware of the blood feuds of their ancestors because no one was able to teach them to hate the other.
But it could work if Superman has a life span of 300 years and sticks to his guns on the issue.

Then, once he's gone, people will find new things to kill each other over, but they won't be the generation blood feuds they started with.

>>149367447 (OP)
Terrorism rates would skyrocket

>>149367447 (OP)
He'd have to put the whole world into a bottle.

>>149367447 (OP)
Things would get better and we would all live happily ever after. It's fricking Superman, Anon.

>>149367447 (OP)
that would be an extremely antisemitic thing for him to do

>>149367578
This.
Superman For All Seasons basically covers it. The second Superman's back is turned, and it will have to be eventually, it's back to business as usual.

>>149367506
>"We spent 15 years and 2 billion dollars preparing an operation that killed three people and a goat before Superman showed up. Our national honor has been successfully avenged"

>>149367489
>The second Superman gets taken out, everything would go back to being shit because it’s not an organic peace process.
You have a much higher view of human societal nature than you should do. People are very malleable generationally and it is a given superman is going to last a good while. Even if we assume he does not take out the elite intelligencia formulating longterm conflict operations (which he would) the intelligencia will have a hard time mobilizing people born into a peacefull period of co-existence. Throw in the fact the markets for either state would have adapted to peace time conditions as well and it would be very difficult for two goverments to resume their blood feuds a few generations ago. This happend in Europe during reconstruction.

>>149367447 (OP)
They'd just exchange overt military action for covert. A lot of accidents and mass poisonings. Or if it's Israel just cutting off the water supply altogether.

>>149367447 (OP)
how does supes deal with infrastructure sabotage, economic embargos, color revolutions and lobbyism?

>>149367707
Remove the elites who co-ordinate such opperations. It is not difficult.

>>149367707
All those things have to be enforced at some point by a man holding a gun. Superman shows up, disarms everyone, and goes home.

>>149367629
>hur duh dur only a couple people die in initial surprise attacks
retard

>>149367447 (OP)
Nothing ever happens, so our leaders would just fear monger and shake their fists angrily, but wouldn’t try shit

>>149367754
>our leaders would just fear monger and shake their fists angrily, but wouldn’t try shit
Most likely outcome

Realistically what would happen if Superman showed up to a warzone, disarmed both sides, and then grabbed both leaders and made them box in the ring to settle disputes?

>>149367489
This is correct.
If superman DID want to solve war as an issue, he would need to solve the root causes of war.
Superman would NEED to abolish the concepts of capital and statehood worldwide.

>>149367447 (OP)
>and made everyone shake hands
this is honestly just cruel imagine some soldier being made to shake hands with the guy who killed his family and raped his wife.

>>149367789
The people would keep fighting and the second in commands who take over, the leaders of the countries aren't the only ones out for blood in a war

>>149367789
It would create history defining moment on par with the first crowing of the holy roman emperor

>>149367800
Imagine the smug look on his face

>>149367791
>Superman would NEED to abolish the concepts of capital and statehood worldwide.
He tried, once.

>>149367789
Instead of statesmanship or foreign policy expertise all candidates would campaign on their ability to throw down.

>>149367447 (OP)
>>149367489
>>149367791
>>149367844
I honestly would have gone full viltrumite on both sides and then use their extinction as an example.
essentially I'll annihilate their race across the planet irregardless of their affiliations and once extinct, the message would be extremely loud and clear...get along or die, so please choose die so that only the genuinely peaceful can finally thrive.

>>149367791
that's right Superman needs to educate those dumb goy

>>149367906
or option 2, drive humanity extinct and then resurrect the race on your terms.
become their god and ruler, oversee their progress and essentially become the parent their never had.
eugenics and science will smooth out the process, with a healthy and strong but also wise population there is no way they can fuck up.

>>149367791
No. Superman would need to do away with appearances and consensus for material reality on how human societys work. Superman would need to whole heartedly abandon libertarian ideals and follow the law of power and elite theory. Whether by the robes of a great sovereign or beloved people's supreme man of iron, Superman's governorship must be absolute and cemented to legend. Godhood, even. I am not even shitposting at this point, if you want world peace you need an immense figure to hold onto a power structure to facilitate direct control unimpeded which Superman could do single-handedly.

>>149367909
Motherfucker did you miss what I was saying?
Superman needs to fly around at superspeed and turn every business into a worker co-op and then shoot every world leader and give everyone a copy of Bill Haywood's writings and then fuck off to the moon for a bit

>>149367447 (OP)
Realistically, what would happen if Superman showed up to a warzone, disarmed both sides, and raped them?

>>149367447 (OP)
The international response is going to be incredibly muted. Every leader not involved in the war is going to take the unassailable position of "We are glad this senseless bloodshed was stopped." There might be exceptions in cases where one faction of the war is so abhorrent as to inspire bloodlust at large in uninvolved foreigners, but it's hard to imagine such a scenario without having to accept that it would've forced Superman's hand beyond him merely stopping the war. If there's atrocities and he's being proactive, he'd be wiping out the despot's power structure.
The only real responses will be from the interrupted powers. There's always the retarded option of them being outraged and declaring war on Superman, but it isn't likely. Ones that can claim a defensive role in the conflict will happily deescalate, especially as it becomes clear that Superman intends to maintain this particular status quo. The aggressor's hands are tied by the whims of his people. If the war is popular, perhaps he can ineffectually condemn Superman and continue making hopeless efforts. If it's not, he has no choice but to also back down; every stymied offensive makes him and his army looks less effective, and that's how you inspire revolution (which, with Superman stopping the ruler from gunning down the rebels, inevitably ends in the old regime being deposed 'peacefully').

>>149368012
Why does every superman thread end with him raping people? We already have had a few threads about what would happen if just full epsteined in broad daylight

>>149367489
Superman would just need to be around long enough for generational hatred to die out. Less than 75 years, but no longer than 100 because as we see. Humanity are retarded and never learn from history.

The only path to peace is removing the profit margin war provides to the wealthy in charge of nations. You need to eat the rish.

>>149368072
For terminally online people, that's the end result of the ultimate power fantasy. Being utterly degenerate openly without the possibility of repercussions. It's sad, truthfully.

>>149367447 (OP)
He'd have to do it under threat of complete annihilation.

>>149367447 (OP)
Something like that happened and he renounced his citizenship so that none of his actions could be taken as American intervention. Other times he's done it, it led to him getting in trouble with the American government and even other heroes because other people have to smooth things over with the nations he intervened in. Basically international conflicts are messy if the other country isn't cool with it and even then someone is going to get pissed.

>>149367489
yeah but israel would be the one trying to assassinate superman

>>149367447 (OP)
Is this Superman?

>>149367447 (OP)
That's not going far enough, superman should play eugenics fusing both people into one single supreme race that way they have no reason to hate each other

>>149367447 (OP)
The people profiteering off war would do everything in their power to demonize him and convince the people he's super Hitler.

>>149367789
Have you seen majority of the world leaders? They are old, overweight, lack athleticism, and cowards. Most of them have never been in a real fight in their life and have others do their battles for them.

>>149367489
>The second Superman gets taken out, everything would go back to being shit because it’s not an organic peace process
Okay. And the second Superman gets taken out, the crime rate will increase too. Why the fuck should he differentiate between wars and gang wars?

The problem is that Superman isn't omniscient. Plus, if he never harms anyone, nobody will take his threats seriously. The weapon business would thrive as a result. Superman needs to rule with an iron fist, stop being a coward, and take control of the DC universe already.

>>149369932
>Plus, if he never harms anyone, nobody will take his threats seriously
He's perfectly capable of dumping anyone he catches with a gun on a deserted island with a cache of food and water and swinging by every so often to check if folks need medical aid/refills.

Can't fight a war from a rock in the Pacific w/o a boat or plane.

>Realistically, what would happen if Superman showed up to a warzone
Trick question. That couldn't realistically happen with DC's editorial.

Unless the war is with aliens.

>>149367751
Realistically nobody would die unless it's a ground invasion. And if it's a ground invasion, Supes can just make the invaders POWs for the invadees.

They either extract reparations or execute everyone. Problem solved and lesson learned.

>>149369958
He might as well feed Africa for free at this point.
Once people find out about this, many will bait him for a free ride.
The solution is for him to be a dictator and rule.
He needs to stop been a coward

>>149369932
>The weapon business would thrive as a result
How, 10 billion dollars that got destroyed in five second. It would cause military spending to be even bigger monkey sink then what they already are

>>149370024
>He might as well feed Africa for free at this point.
I mean, yes, he should. Millions of kids die each year in DC despite billionaire supers and speedsters running around that could easily solve world hunger.

Doesn't really make much sense from a worldbuilding perspective. Especially when most food insecurity is due to a lack of water and transportation infrastructure and Supes could easily solve that shit.

>>149368012
Now there's a long term solution!

>>149369932
The military industrial complex can only extend so much credit to tin pot dictators before it become obvious that the conquests will never happen and the debts will never be paid.

>>149367447 (OP)
Realistically someone would find ways to harm or kill Superman, or set up events to distract him. But this wouldn't last in the long run so everyone would kind of give up on conflicts
>everyone would hate it
Why do you think everyone would hate it? Do you think everyone is pro war?

>>149370076
Food for thought, Superman could also depose dictators.

>>149367447 (OP)
Biological weapons become a far more popular alternative.

have the development lab look like a standard pharmaceutical research facility.

make a virus that's easy to covertly transport and deploy

then send some of your agents to pose as relief workers to the targeted nation
deploy the virus in the slums

oh no this place suffered a plague
too bad superman can't cure plagues with his powers

oh well.

>>149370035
Superman is not all-knowing, so he can sometimes be caught off guard. I'm also unsure how he would navigate the black market.
>>149370055
It raises the question, how can a writer handle this problem? or his the fanbased the problem?

>>149370139
>It raises the question, how can a writer handle this problem?
Literally just don't write wars/famine/plague/dictators into the background or foreground of capeshit. It literally just makes anyone powerful enough to solve that shit look stupid and/or evil.

That or don't wank supers to literal god tier. Nobody bitches about Spider-Man not ending war on Earth.

>>149370139
>Superman is not all-knowing
No but his super hearing is all over the place, literally (besides writers can never decided just how strong it is) and as a figure of speech.

>>149367447 (OP)
What you're describing IS a dictator.

>>149370128
>whoops we accidentally unleashed the plague on our own nation
>Whoops it's spreading beyond our control and it's now tearing through our population
>WHOOPS IT'S FUCKING MUTATING AND WE CAN'T STOP IT
Don't use bioweapons and especially not a virus

>>149370078
>Do you think everyone is pro war?
Yes.

>>149370128
>too bad superman can't cure plagues with his powers
He can use Kryptonian technology to cure disease.

>>149370339
He also knows Batman and Zatanna.

>>149368319
Why? He’s like the Iron Done but free.

>>149367447 (OP)
>And he keeps coming back to do it every single time a conflict starts.

I don't think you understand anything you're talking about OP

first of all that's a lot more conflicts than you know about

secondly the timing matters immensely here

does he show up after the shooting starts? does he track down the undoubtedly hidden combat group himself or delegate that to someone else? what are the optics of the situation when he arrives, is this the third time he's promised and failed to protect this group from attacks? because they have no reason to trust him now and that will be exploited by their enemies; is the person he delegated responsibility to now compromised? were they always compromised and he looked the other way or didn't know? because now he's compromised too and belligerents will use that against him

does he literally just demobilise entire armies each time he does this or is he prepared to leave them intact and task them with rebuilding? who's paying for that? what are the economics of forced not to go to war? if the soldiers start to desert or they cause the usual mass-demob problems is he going to get involved in every protest and argument? is he going to provide work for unemployed soldiers and combat the demagogues seeking to exploit a large trained fighting force with nothing better to do and bellies to fill?

is he going to provide treatment for the injured and sick? is he going to rebuild their nations - if he is, why do you think his arbitrarily drawn borders matter any more than the post WW1 borders that led directly to revolutions and conflicts later in the 20th century? again if he fucks this up he's compromised and that will be used against him

overnight you've taken something complex, tried to oversimplify it, and turned him into a villain who can only attempt to rule by force and, well, how do you think that goes longer term? the number of wars goes down to one maybe but it'd be against him and when it's over - then what?

>>149370024
Or they need to let superheroes change the world. They’ve already fucked the legal system six ways to Sunday to keep the Joker alive. Might as well just admit “it’s not our world”.

>>149367629
>we snuck FABs into every major city our enemies had and eliminated them after a 15 year 2 billion dollar operation
>superman still doesn't know we did it because there is no paper trail and we used fanatics who died in the attacks to set everything up
>nobody can attack us in retaliation and every time they bitch about it to King Superman he eyebeemz one of them into dust

Honest question, but why don't DC humans colonize other planets? Seems to me like they could.

>>149370024
>feed Africa for free

are we talking the whole 1.5 billion or just the 350 million who are food insecure or the 300 million who are actually starving? what do we mean by "feed" do we mean basic nutrition or do we mean changed to a US-style system of poor diet and lots of food or what?

also yes, if he can feed 350 million people why wouldn't he feed 1.5 billion or 8 billion? why is that baiting him for a free ride if he has the technology to do it and is clearly willing to do it? are you going to turn down free food for the rest of your life while your rickets continue and everybody else has long straight bones? muppet

>>149370469
they don't want to colonize other planets, they want to rape the joker

>>149370466
>>we snuck FABs into every major city our enemies had
Okay, how are you going to do that?

>>149370502
That's why I believe Superman should just rule the world. He has the technology, the power, etc., but he's wasting time playing superhero.

>>149367634
Then Superman would just bring them water.

>>149370469
Seems like every livable planet in the universe is spoken for.

No, SuperMan, you don't understand.
It's like a sport!
We even made rules like "no killing with fire" or "not playing dead" because we believe in fair play

>"Is killing civilians also in that rule book?"

>>149367447 (OP)
>>149367489
How is this not deleted four hours later? With such a controversial topic that inflames people as Israel and Palestine we're basic facts like how we got there and what is one size ethnicity are argued at verbatim especially with both sides doing certain actions one more so than the other but I won't say which in order to deliberately misguide people about basic things on the ground and such things as ethnicities of either side or where they came from?

>>149370619

>>149370557
Superman should just destroy the world. Problem solved forever.

>>149367906
>irregardless

>>149367489
fpbp

>>149367800
What kind of monster forces you to act with civility and courtesy towards your fellow man?

>>149367952
>Superman would need to whole heartedly abandon libertarian ideals
He's gonna build roads?

>>149367789
Anon, humanity has already dealt with this. After a duel, a war begins over whether the winner won honestly or by cheating.

>>149371937
If only there was a ref who couldn't be bribed or intimidated in the area at the time. Oh well.

>>149367738
I've had enforced embargos and never seen a gun. Just a complete pay cut. Is superman gonna give me money then?

he can't prevent two armies from fighting. people can just pick up rocks if they're mad enough, and if someone has pushed your family from your home, you will be mad enough.

>>149367447 (OP)
>world government breaks down as people begin literally harassing each other knowing there is no military repercussions to be had. Subterfuge and E-warfare become even more the new norm.

>>149367489
That's why he would also have to kill all the leaders and their relatives, so no hope of restarting a dynasty could take place in his absence.

>>149372029
>he can't prevent two armies from fighting
Sure he can. Just disarm and break the legs of anyone that crosses a border in military gear and let the country they invaded know what happened.

And if someone crosses a border not in military gear and they're armed, or they become armed and start killing people toss them in jail, cause they're at best criminals and at worst war criminals.

Superman doesn't need to prevent to armies from fighting. He just needs to make sure the aggressing army loses as quickly as possible. It doesn't need to be his job to deal with the POWs/war criminals/criminals. Countries have militaries and police for that shit. He can leave that shit to "the system" as per usual.

>>149372048
Oh no, not subterfuge and electronic warfare instead of actual warfare!

Also that shit is actually crimes which he could actually still deal with as a hero. It's not like he's unequipped to deal with hacking and sabotage.

>>149372169
You're right, disabling power grids and sabotaging crops to cause mass freezing or starvation is much more humane and sustainable then a shooting war.
>The Crimanal in said case is a countries government, forcing superman to otherthrow a government and kick off a WW.
Never go anywhere near actual power please.

>>149370572
Easy answer: because we haven't done that IRL and comics are too committed to some level of realism for it>>149370572

>>149372029
So what? If every army is forced to use sticks and stones because Superman took all their guns away they can't cause any mass death. Eventually war becomes such an inconvenience both sides have to agree to a settlement because neither has an advantage.

>>149367447 (OP)
things would fester and get worse. conflict is necessary.
he needs to only beat up the bad countries, which leaves the good ones happy, peaceful, and.... yknow, watching their asses, because if they slip up, it's them next. Like we got you, we got rid of north korea, but hey south korea.. don't you get any fucking ideas. or i'll be right back here.

>>149372200
>The Crimanal in said case is a countries government, forcing superman to otherthrow a government and kick off a WW.
1. Overthrowing a government doesn't kick off a WW

2. Sticking your nose in the internal governance of a country is one thing (that I still think supers should do). Arresting a criminal ring that happens to include government officials is another. Especially when they don't fucking work for the government that would be fucking trying them. It should be non-issue. The idea that government officials should be off limits without regard for their legal vulnerability is insane.

If some rando government official gunned down the UN general assembly, Superman's not gonna shrug and say "Welp, they work for a government, so I guess I can't arrest them even though their diplomatic immunity is definitely stripped if they had any in the first place and I could get them tried in any country on Earth."

3. Wars would include disabling power grids and sabotaging crops. And even if they wouldn't, countries use subterfuge precisely because it's less likely to start a war because it's treated as less damaging than warfare.

>>149367447 (OP)
>take away tanks & airplanes
>they fight with guns
>take away guns
>they fight with melee weapons
>take away melee weapons
>they fight with fists
>??????

How would it solve anything

>>149371907
>civility and courtesy towards some the dude who killed your family and raped your wife
capeshit fans are truly the most out of touch with reality juvenile retards in existence

>>149367447 (OP)
Next week whoever has the resources to do so just star killing their enemies in more roundabout ways.

>>149367906
>implying there aren't crazy people who view life on earth as just a speck of dust compared to the paradises that wait for them in heaven above
would not work

>>149370301
>No but his super hearing is all over the place
If superman was listening to everything going in the world all at once he would end up working himself to death trying to stop all the murders and rapes and other serious crimes.

I was watching Superman vs. The Elite last night and I laughed about how obvious it was that Bialya was a standin for Israel. They kept trying to present both sides of the war as bad but it's plainly obvious that only one was the agressor.

>>149367447 (OP)
Realistically, the world declares him a public enemy and starts investing in all things Kryptonite to tell him to fuck off and stay out of their own affairs.

>>149367447 (OP)
That depends, are we talking about your standard "Superman takes over" AU where everyone else loses half their IQ and gets nerfed or are we using comic canon where even the most fourth-rate third world state has access to advanced tech and superhuman operatives?

>>149373974
you forgot that we have weapons like machetes too and anyone can use

>>149374148
Bialya has always been a stand-in for Libya.

>>149367447 (OP)
Global tribalism would reign as petty thieves and vandals unionize under the knowledge that large-scale conflict will be prevented, but small-scale parasitism will not. Society would still exist but in a facile state, mostly to appease the underlying beliefs of Superman for as long as he remains amenable to such displays.

>>149370519
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bump

>>149367791
You can't abolish the concept of capital

>>149376218
Not with that attitude

>>149374699
And then jaywalkers get lazered from orbit

>>149367906
How are you going to find them all?

>>149368317
>he renounced his citizenship
How could Superman have a citizenship to begin with? Clark Kent, fine, but Superman?

>>149370325
Now that you mention it, say Superman ends all war. Would war-based media like WW2 movies or Call of Duty games give people a false idea of what war is like? An entire world of people that think war is just a big fun football game? Kinda like Americans thought we'd beat down Vietnam within the year only to spend an inordinate amount of time there?

>>149373974
>take away the fists

>>149367447 (OP)
>what if Superman but Israel-Palestine?
The plot would revolve around the "real" badguys made up from bad actors from "both sides" trying to kill Superman for stopping their war. On their defeat the war would end because no-oen else actually wanted to fight because it's wrong.

The comic would sell only from shock value, offend many, especially Superman fans. It would be a dull and boring plot.

>and for other warzones?
It would be done better if it were a fictional planet fighting over something fictional. You wouldn't need to make the plot around bad apples and would be a straightforward finger wag until everyone agrees to live like Supes told them to.
>but let's bring it back to earth, what would governments say?
There'd be one logical conclusion: Superman must be stopped. Then you hit capeshit writing and no-one actually likes political dramas where captain underpants must deal with the crushing reality of criminal liability for destroying a building in his fight against doctor eggman over a stolen cubic zirconia necklace.

>>149369976
>what if there are no solutions and no happy endings
Wowee, when did writers start sniffing their own farts like this?

>>149370078
>Why do you think everyone would hate it? Do you think everyone is pro war?

>>149374664
In the comics it was straight up just Libya lmao. They even mentioned Ghadaffi

>>149376428
>An entire world of people that think war is just a big fun football game?
Is that seriously what you think after watching Saving Private Ryan?

>>149367447 (OP)
He leaves and they move to more quietly killing each other with other armaments.

>>149367791
>>149367906
>>149367952
>let's have some kind of dictatorship
Well in that case I prefer the God Emperor. He's a hell of a lot smarter than fucking commienazi/Justice Lord Supes up there at any rate.

>>149367447 (OP)
Superman could probably force the leaders of Israel and Palestine to do what he says under threat of death, but random Israelis and Palestinians would just keep up the fighting on their own, they'd see their leaders as compromised. Sometimes war isn't just because of the leaders, it's because at this point the people of the two countries genuinely hate each other, Superman would basically have to spend all of his time doing nothing but patrolling the border and constantly killing people to prevent anything from happening. The same problem with the Sudanese Civil War and other regional conflicts.
The only major war Superman would truly be able to stop would probably be the Ukraine War, since if he forces Putin to make the Russian tropps leave, it'd be over, but that's pretty much it. He might also be able to stop China from invading Taiwan.

>>149377144
Marvel are cowards, so even though in the comics Doom has taken over the world, we'll never be told what his solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict would be.

>>149377144
He could potentially pull off europe, but the world? Not so sure about that. Superman as the ability to do international governing however

>>149377387
I don't think that many Israelis would keep fighting on their own. Those who fight are in the IDF, and they've been drilled to follow the chain of command.
Palestinians on the other hand are mostly guerilla fighters. More importantly, most of them are poor and hungry and thus desperate and with nothing to lose, unlike Israelis.