Who was in the wrong here?

>>149369638 (OP)
Injustice writers

>>149369638 (OP)
Tom Taylor

PlasticMan is a verbal shitposter, don't listen to what he says.

>>149369638 (OP)
Batman

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>>149369638 (OP)
>>149370048
fucking lol

>>149369638 (OP)
It's impolite to point.

>>149369638 (OP)
It's pretty clearly a throne.

>>149369638 (OP)
I know people hate this series but it was at least interesting at downright hilarious at times. Which is better than 99% of current year slop

>>149369638 (OP)
I'm tired of all the slopvideos basedfacing over how Plastic Man is le most ebically dangerous character in the WHOLE DC universe

>>149369638 (OP)
Plastic Man

>>149369638 (OP)
Plastic Man but only because the others don't get chairs too

James Gunn Plastic Man when?

>>149369638 (OP)
Writers thinking
>But what is Superman was evil!?!?!
for a thousandth time and assuming they were geniuses for thinking it

>>149371698
Are we to the point yet where
>What if Superman was good?
is a subversive take?

>>149371709
>cape autism
Most of his stories are about him being good and superman being a boyscout is still the default. It's not a subversion and there no point to seethe because there 2-3 AU stories where he isn't nice.

>>149371709
Yes, we are. Subhumans are livid about the current movie.

>>149371709
The current movie is the first time Superman was an actual legitimate superhero that punches giant monsters, and not a weepy overdramatic Jesus allegory with DAAAARRRK shots and 20% of the runtime dedicated to silent brooding.

Seems so.

>>149370380
Unfilmable

>>149369638 (OP)
Superwidower taking out his grievances on everyone else was subjectively wrong, the sentiment of wanting people to admit being a perfect ideal in an imperfect world is impossible is understandable but the execution of forcing them to bend or break over that was inexcusable.
Wonder Maneater fueling his neurosis to get some superdick was objectively wrong, but I get that Byrne, Moench, Millar and Miller set it up as a dramatic springboard beforehand so fine I can't fault Injustice for using it. It still could have been done better, she really lowered herself in this one.

>>149371709
Yeah red son

>>149369638 (OP)
Tom Taylor truly cracked the code by writing comics specifically made to be made popular by posting out of context panels on Reddit and Twitter.

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>>149369662
This.
All problems in fiction are from the FINAL, OMEGA-TIER OMNIVERSAL ULTIMATE BOSS:
bad writing

>>149372260
While killing Stalin was an objectively good deed, it doesn't make up for the rest of the bad shit.

>>149372260
what the fuck

>>149370048
I'M GONNA SING A SONG FOR YOUUUUU...

>>149370048
hey hey hey el gordo gay

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>>149372287
It's crazier because it was its own universe, they didn't have to stick to established shit, and they still couldn't handle it.

>>149374137
I genuinely don't understand why more writers don't just make one-offs or self-contained stories. Everything has to be some continuity-tied bullshit

>>149372263
This one was one of the better ones too, mostly because it had a minimum of Superfascism and is about Plasticman busting his son out of the Supergulag.

>>149374197
Continuity stories are basically job security. A continuity story would have to flop hard, like near series cancelation to lose that gig, but one offs and side stuff has to do gangbusters before youre allowed to do another.

NetherRealm Studios for pushing the le evol superham for the 4387th time this decade. God, I fucking hate everything about Injustice so much it's unreal.

>>149374566
well shit, guess that explains a lot
the industry is really fucked isn't it? comics selling less and less just pigeonholes them into a tighter bind.

>>149369638 (OP)
Whom was the wrong here, again?

>>149369782
And why should we listen to you?

>>149369699
>>149369662
Tom Taylor was given a mandate specifically where he was constrained by the existence of Injustice and later Injustice 2, IE they HAD to happen, and it was his job to explain how the fuck they got to that point.

So he had to go down the list of "reasons Injustice should not have happened, stop being retarded" and contrive a way, some how, to answer basically all of them. From "Plastic Man should have stopped this" to "Why not use Magic/Gods/The GLC/etc" and so on.

I honestly don't envy him because it's basically a fucking anti-mandate where every plot you right *has* to amount to nothing in the end but you still need to do it. Accounting for that, I think he did alright with the shitheap he was given.

I'm so tired of the trope that the empire and emperor is always evil and that all authority that stems from any civilized system like that is bad.

There is this prevailing myth in modern society that every person who ever held the position of monarch, emperor, or dictator was a complete lunatic and nobody can ever handle that power and there was no good leaders before the modern area, and so many storylines exist from fools who think that modern systems are perfect and not realizing why humanity used those other systems for so long, thus completely buying into that modern propaganda.

The entire genre of capeshit is about super powered midwits maintaining the status quo at all costs, which is fitting since it is just propaganda and has partially been since their inception - the actual comics I mean. Sometimes the animated capeshit shows can squeeze out some good character moments or plot, but that is a lost art for most actual western comics

>>149376466
That's because you are an idiot that doesn't understand that absolute power corrupts absolutely. When Superman is restrained to just being able to bench press the entire planet or wipe out the human race in an instant, that's nothing. But give him the political power to tell other people what to do, and it's only natural that he'd turn into literal Hitler. Just stop being dumb bro.

>>149376413
Plus we got The Butlering out of it and that was pretty fun along with this plastic man silliness and before I forget dick slipping on a rock.

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>>149370048
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>>149376941
guys stop

>>149376899
>absolute power corrupts absolutely
Yep. Every single time this is true and there is no nuance because everyone is the same and cannot handle power. Everyone is just an interchangeable economic unit with the same weaknesses and individuality and exceptional individuals with self control do not exist and there has never been competent, benevolent and intelligent autocrats in human history ever.

Complete midwit take, also childish to assume Hitler was a bad leader, historically speaking he was good (not much different from some of the more competent Roman emprerors) and was just in a shit position where everyone around him hated his guts unless he toadied up to one of them and became a vassel state to one of them, which is obviously unacceptable for any sovereign nation. Take any other leader from history and put them in his place in 1933 and they would have failed earlier or around the same time, the only way around not fighting the war was if Hitler spoke English and was able to communicate directly with Americans and the British to try and stop the propaganda at the time.

Let me guess - you also think Capitalism and Marxism are the only two possible economic doctrines?

>>149376466
>The entire genre of capeshit is about super powered midwits maintaining the status quo at all costs,
You've never read capeshit in your life.

>>149376948
>Complete midwit take, also childish to assume Hitler was a bad leader
well he was, he didn't any real plans except to war into riches.
>, historically speaking he was good (not much different from some of the more competent Roman emprerors) and was just in a shit position
Trying to compare hitler to roman emperors doesn't exactly make hitler look good now does it.
>if I compare hitler to the leaders of states that relied on slavery, genocides and war then hitler looks kind of fine actually.
So tacitly you admit hitler was a shit leader then.

>>149376948
>not much different from some of the more competent Roman emprerors
... Do you know how fucking shitty that curve is?

>>149376955
>vigilantism is okay for me, but not okay for you
Says batman to Mr. Freeze when he wants to actually improve society and take justified revenge instead of letting shitty corrupt judges and courts fail to actually punish people

>>149376962
>well he was, he didn't any real plans except to war into riches.
Yes he did, but if you don't even know that then not gonna derail further.
>>149376963
Hadrian had a higher Jew kill ratio and did much of the same and everyone loves him. Arguably the best emperor of Rome, though at least in the top 5 beside Aurelian, Augustus, Trajan, Domitian, (honorable mention to Pertinax)

Point being yes there are good leaders who can handle authority and I'm tired of the meme that literally nobody can and everyone is a weak faggot who immediately lets power control them

>>149376968
The one (1) time Mr. Freeze was in on that kind of thing; his part in the Scheme was to freeze all of Gotham, condemning thousands to die of hypothermia.

>>149377013
What about those times he just wants to go full Luigi and kill the corpo faggots who kill his wife because muh profits and would stop after that?

>>149376899
>absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Is Cincinnatus, just a joke to you.

>>149377036
Most people who say that know jack shit about history and think every single leader before George Washington was a tyrant or can't even name the good ones.

>>149377022
In that case regardless of Batman's actions, the company would have promoted another man with the same values and little would change. Just like with United Healthcare.

>>149377051
And so? If nothing changes either way at least one person gets catharsis and some measure of evil is removed from the world. Batman himself is predicated on the assumption that all deliberate killings of other people is always unjustified, even if it would save countless other lives or improve society vastly. I don't care for edgelords like the Punisher and hate marvel in general, but any civilized society can tell the difference between a justified death sentence or not and pleading the right of life for people who have the blood of countless people on their hands is putting the cart before the horse and is unjustifiable in many cases.

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>>149376946

>>149377064
Cool motive, still murder.

>>149370048
>POV: You're literally sitting on a throne.

>>149377076
>murder is only okay when corpos do it
Spare me your retarded logic, people only say this
>all murder bad
Shit because they are addicted to a sense of moral superiority and have no concept of making difficult choices for the sake of the future or to remove an actual evil from the world.

Same type of people who want unsustainable policies because "it's the right thing" even if pursuing those policies leads to even greater suffering.
I don't see Batman going after coca cola execs or anything like that because fundamentally he is a hypocrite who is fine with people abusing power in technically legal ways or people forcing retarded unsustainable policies on other people with no view of the long term as long as they are moral in the short term, same with plenty of other capeshit stuff.

The writers of this shit can't see past their own nose and just think short term moral decisions are always the correct ones, and are anathema to the concept of people people having to do violent or potentially illegal things (in the word of the law, not the spirit of it) on their own volition in the short term to secure a positive future for most others.

>>149369638 (OP)
I actually liked how absurd Injustice was.

>>149377112
>murder is only okay when corpos do it
No. It isn't. The principle that Bruce follows to stop Victor from killing Nora's killer (along with a few dozen other people, largely unrelated), would have been the same principle he would've followed to prevent her death in the first place.
Victor Fries was wronged. No doubt about that. But being wronged is not a license to wrong others in return.

>>149377138
>But being wronged is not a license to wrong others in return
Like all things it depends on context.
Making a blanket statement like "it is always wrong to take a life" is retarded and lacks vision of actual reality and the nuance of individual circumstance.
In my view killing an individual who knowingly and maliciously killed someone else means they are eligible for that same kind in retaliation, unless they truly repent. But even then only one mortal person can know if they feel sorry - the one who committed the crime. Everyone else can choose to believe it based on context, or not.

>>149377112
Murder, that is the unprompted killing of another person, is always bad. People conflate killing with evil, and that's wrong, but there's really no argument for just murdering someone.

>What if they wronged me? Because I should be able to do whatever I want if they wronged me!

I'd only agree with you if you'd be okay on the opposite side of that situation. That is to say, if someone said "you wronged me, prepare to die!", your only response would be "Okay."

>>149377175
>unprompted
Is a matter of interpretation.
If someone wants to threaten to kill my family and shows signs that they are willing to do that to others, then I recognize that they know the risks of that action and that those close to their victims will seek them out.
>I'd only agree with you if you'd be okay on the opposite side of that situation. That is to say, if someone said "you wronged me, prepare to die!", your only response would be "Okay."
It depends on the context. If I killed some faggot robbing and threatening my family and then their sister tried to shoot me I would think I am justified, but if I killed someone in an accident or something or I had to do it in service of an actual goal I could understand somewhat, but again it depends on context since I'm not exactly a politician who can direct the flow of society. And even then a just politician first and foremost has a duty to the people in such a hypothetical scenario.
I wouldn't just kill someone for no reason but if I did then yes, it would make sense for someone to want to kill me and if I didn't feel sorry for it they have that right since there is the implicit threat I could do it again.
If I did repent, then if I truly understood the gravity of my crime I would understand that my fate is rightfully in the hands of the one I grievously wronged. I don't think any law can truly put into words that concept into such a way where it is always fulfilled.

>>149377223
>If someone wants to threaten to kill my family and shows signs that they are willing to do that to others

That's not murder. Killing someone who's provably planning to harm you is a different thing.


>if I killed someone in an accident or something or I had to do it in service of an actual goal I could understand somewhat, but again it depends on context since I'm not exactly a politician who can direct the flow of society. And even then a just politician first and foremost has a duty to the people in such a hypothetical scenario.

But that's not true. The reality is, even if you deserved to die, you're not going to willingly submit to death. You're going to kick, scream, and explain how actually what you did is justified, or an accident. Which, both things need not apply when it comes to saying murder is justified. "I killed your brother by mistake". "Doesn't matter, you killed him, die".

If you can't say "okay", then your entire point is moot. All the wiggling and "well actually it depends on the context" is why we have law and different terms like murder, manslaughter and such so your whole point goes out the window. Murder is unjustifiable because of context and the world not being black and white. Obviously if you had to kill someone, that would be a different thing legally and morally to murder.

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>>149377376
>Killing someone who's provably planning to harm you is a different thing
Depends on multiple factors.
>The reality is, even if you deserved to die, you're not going to willingly submit to death
It's almost as if actual redemption from the heart is rare. Yet it does happen on occasion from different circumstance.
>If you can't say "okay", then your entire point is moot
I could but it depends on context. If I prevented some calamity or catastrophe from murder or it served some grand purpose that would benefit most people then I would say it is justified. If it is a petty massacre for no reason for personal pleasure then it is not justified ergo I am at the mercy of affected parties.
For the accidental death it depends again on context. If I am a pilot and kill tons of people but live and feel no regret or remorse there is a case that it is deserved and a case for not. Sometimes there is no completely satisfying answer. Different than my car's breaks randomly failing and smashing into some guy in the dead of night I could barely see.
Different people have a different view of justifiable murder, but regardless there are times when killing someone is necessary. Laws are always going to be imperfect and some cases will fall between the cracks so the law itself does not equal justice. All it helps do is guide and reinforce society.
The main point is that regardless of actual justice or the law most capeshit heroes only really care about maintaining the status quo even if it is unjust and only really intervene when it affects them personally, if at all

>>149376466
>I'm so tired of the trope that the empire and emperor is always evil and that all authority that stems from any civilized system like that is bad.
>There is this prevailing myth in modern society that every person who ever held the position of monarch, emperor, or dictator was a complete lunatic and nobody can ever handle that power and there was no good leaders before the modern area, and so many storylines exist from fools who think that modern systems are perfect and not realizing why humanity used those other systems for so long, thus completely buying into that modern propaganda.
>The entire genre of capeshit is about super powered midwits maintaining the status quo at all costs, which is fitting since it is just propaganda and has partially been since their inception - the actual comics I mean. Sometimes the animated capeshit shows can squeeze out some good character moments or plot, but that is a lost art for most actual western comics
true
and the best part is when in history the republic and its republicans are the absolute lunatics/greedy bastards

>>149376990
>and I'm tired of the meme that literally nobody can and everyone is a weak faggot who immediately lets power control them
at this point it is almost propaganda

>>149377051
Reminder that Luigi's murder worked until institutional investors sued the company and told them to get back on track.

Clearly, the answer is murder.

>>149370048
I dindu nuffin

>>149370048
What did I do?

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>>149376466
Well, it's true. Governments are inherently evil