Thread 149370909

>Animation is a hobby, not a job/career
So, how do you expect new cartoons to be made?

>>149370909 (OP)
AI

>>149370909 (OP)
outsourcing them to Asia, sadly

>>149370909 (OP)
I dunno

>>149370939
First post is best post.

>>149370909 (OP)
Consumers don't really think about HOW things are made. Many animation watchers basically think they're magically conjured up

>>149370959
That's been going since at least the 80\s

>>149370909 (OP)
Youtube is full of hobbyist animation.
>BUT I WANT A CARTOON ON TV
Are you 12?

>>149371006
and it will continue to be that way

>>149371011
Indie animation costs money too

>>149371002
i have been dondering how the fuck its made since thestart of the bean era

>>149371011
I guarantee you if all tv animation stopped and only hobbyist animation on shoestring budgets remained, most anons here would throw a fit due to the amateurish quality. Trust me when I say that you won't be getting anything resembling what you're used to seeing

>>149371047
Not to mention how long it would take for one episode to come up.

It is the nature of this site to bitch about everything and everything should be for free. Yet they wanted it to be handed to them so they can bitch about it.

>>149370909 (OP)
I genuinely hope Hollywood and the animation/anime industry collapses entirely
Animation on tv and theaters was a mistake

>>149371047
This. If anons thought all the rigged animation on tv is bad now, it would take up most of the online output.

>>149371047
>Trust me when I say that you won't be getting anything resembling what you're used to seeing
Are you living under a rock anon? Indie cartoons are way past the "babies 1st flash cartoon" days and are now at "Netflix could buy us out but we said no" level.

>>149371105
Flashgitz is an outlier and isn't a purely hobbyist production. They have dozens of animators on their payroll.
That said, Space King does have good animation even if it's limited.

>>149371065
Just sell merch and patreon subscriptions anon. I already support many Indie creators that costs less than a cup of coffee.

>>149371105

People were already complaining about the first episode and the second one even more so.

Besides the gags, most of them lacks substance and the few one that have story worth watching takes years for one episode.

>>149371153
No feminazis, pride flags, blue hair or other subversive propaganda. I'm fine with Indie or Hollywood trash.

>>149371153
No feminazis, pride flags, blue hair or other subversive propaganda. I'll take Indie cartoons made with love over Hollywood trash.

>>149371047
TV animation is dead at this point because cable is dead and streaming only brings in revenue if it's slop. Indie animation is the future, there is no alternative.

>>149370909 (OP)
Butters, why are you talking to me like that? Did I say those words?

>>149370909 (OP)
>Hobbiest makes cartoons
>Cartoon becomes popular
>Cartoon makes money via merch
>Hobbiest now can self employ as an animator
Simple as

>>149370909 (OP)
More like you should go into it as a hobby and transition it into a job/career

>>149371219
This never happens

Being anti-artist or against art as a career is inherently jealousy-based behavior and you cannot convince me otherwise.

>>149371219
Or just be like Travis Knight and fund your cartoons using your dad's Nike shoes money.

>>149371243
I just can't stand that these fuck get to make money doing shit I've always dreamed of. Every night I cry and punch my wall. I own voodoo doll of famous showrunners, hoping that one day, their demise comes

>>149371243
>Being anti-artist or against art as a career is inherently jealousy-based behavior and you cannot convince me otherwise.
When was the last time you supported a Blacksmith instead of just buying cheap Chinese tools from Home Depot? Never.
Go find a real job.

>>149371196
lol who do think makes independent media?
You couldn't imagine how media would be if there wasn't some middle manager saying "tone it down for middle America" or "we got to think about the foreign market"

>>149371146
This. If I was ever to go into animation I would do this. Trying to paywall the content itself is a fruitless effort, however if you approach it from "Hey, you can let us continue doing this via merch and patreon", more people could be willing to do that.

>>149371105
but only true of the few better indies though. Maybe industry work isn’t what it was back in the day but the art floor is high.

>>149370939
SAAAAAAAAAR

>>149370909 (OP)
>not a job/career
Cool. Now here are your options: Make something that actually turns a profit, or get laid-off.

Given the state of American animation, I would very much like it to die out as an artform here. It's already creatively dead, so just allow all knowledge and skill to completely disappear so we can hard reboot by copying another culture that isn't yet ossified into ugliness and banality.

>>149370909 (OP)
In their spare time when off work from their real jobs.

>>149371011
I would have asked if he was 50 at least. He desperately wants it to be 1997 again.

>>149371047
>>149371065
You would end up with friend groups and a collection of students looking to make a portfolio piece about once episode a year at the absolute fastest. Nothing would exist beyond 1-3 minute shorts and they would pretty much all be a one time only thing with no episode 2 or anything after either.

>>149371002
Not just consumers, employers and other corporate guys also think like one person can whip up a 10 minute short in about a month or two and do it for $300ish.

It's fucking insane the number of people asking for animated commissions just assume it's a really quick and simple thing.

>>149370909 (OP)
It's not a viable career field without paid advertisers footing the bill. Since studios decided that tv is old and lame, animation stopped being profitable. So it went away.

>>149371838
Is there any hope for tv animation?

>>149371826

Not to mention that they can change things that will be done instantly and without costing them extra.

>>149371243
>Portrait painter/ Landscape painter
replaced by photography

>Drafting artist/Architect
replaced by computers and easy simple software that is a thousand times more precise

>Periodicals Cartoonist
Entire media format was outmoded and replaced, job simply does not exist any longer,

>illustrationist
replaced by clip art, Freepic, Getty Images and about a dozen more image archives

>Cartoonist
was nothing but a luxury good from a time when things were more prosperous, economy was doing great, and people could waste money on meaningless slop they don't need

>>149371890

Portrait painters are still a thing, not as frequent but there are out there for commission. Also photographers have been mostly replaced by amateur or people just using their own cheap equipment.

Architect are still a thing, you are mixing up medium with actual people doing the work. They traded paper and pencil with CAD.

Periodical cartoonist went the same way as the newsreporter, digital and few in between.

Illustratinist is the same as with portrait painters. Few out there, but if someone has been hurt from AI it is them.

>>149371826
>It's fucking insane the number of people asking for animated commissions just assume it's a really quick and simple thing.
AI can do that now. So if you can't take a $300 job because you're lazy then a robot will do it instead.
Tough lucky Sally.

>>149371826
You're not that special and they have options. So make it for $300 or they're going to get AI to do it instead faggot.

>>149371826
>Waaaaaaaaaaah I wanna be paid like a Disney movie animator for anything and everything!!!!!

If you are taking commissions at home, you are a fucking nobody and should accept anything that comes your way. If you are poor it's your own fault, you are the one being a picky bitch demanding premium prices for single loser in a basement work.

>>149372039
Look if they were the magical unexistent artisan who masters all styles and nothing stops it

But you are human matt groening can't draw a death nature to save his life

With shadows!

>>149372133
Then fuck off, AI does what people want in the time they want for the price they are willing to pay.

>>149372133
>human matt groening
I'd sooner buy a Groening comic than use AI

>>149370909 (OP)
Unfortunately you can make the same argument of:
>Animation is a career, I deserve to be paid a lot for all the work I put in
So, how do you expect people to afford it or studios to bother? Everyone's habits developed around things being cheap and people not getting paid well for it.

>Here's you ai animation, bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUSOfEsQ0ac

>>149370996
Kys ratjeet

>>149371283
>>149371772
Animating is a real job, faggots

>>149372176
Stfu sandeep

>>149372362
India
>Beautiful homogenius country
>Innovator in technology
>Booming population
>Thriving film industy
>Thin
Now, Americucks
>Ugly mystery meat
>Has to outsource everything
>Dying film industry, New Pooperman movie won't even outgross The Batman
>Fat
Hmmmmmm

>>149372464
>Homogenius

>>149372464
Nice one
>homogenius
That's what you think you are

>>149372464
>homo genius
LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL

>>149372388
If a machine can do it then it's not a real job.

>>149372464
>Beautiful homogenius country
It's dump and is divided between ethnicities
>Innovator in technology
More like scammers with western tech
>Booming population
That's true but it's not good
>Thriving film industy
At creating retarded slop
>Thin
Lmao, half of your country is either starving or is obese
>also a curry using poop as an insult

>>149372518
Then there's no real job, also i love you

>>149372240
Why are people so interested in AI?

>>149372835
Because they’re cheap, lazy niggers, but I repeat myself.

>>149372835
it's new and exciting
imagine it
not having to pay some entitled "animators"
not having to fear running out of money
to be able to make anything

>>149372944
Yeah but that might take a while. What AI has done for me is get close to my vision, but not achieve it. I'd rather try and fail at achieving my vision than slam my head against the wall repeatedly to only get a fraction of what I want to make.

>>149371826
>animated commissions
Is that even a thing outside of, you know, Mr 50k for self-inserting?

>>149370909 (OP)
It used to be a hobby that paid off well, and then TV came along and execs wanted a cut of it.

>>149370939
fpbp

>>149373688
Based on what?

>>149373149
Darn those execs, darn them all to Heck

>>149370909 (OP)
I was thinking of taking a character animation course at a local college. Doesn't say if it's 2D or 3D and it's not even two months long.

>>149370909 (OP)
Hardly any new cartoons are being released, anime is where it's at.

>>149371047
>>149371065
MeatCanyon puts out but has one video every month and likely a number of people working on it.
The Amazing Digital Circus takes months for one episode.

>>149370909 (OP)
>So, how do you expect new cartoons to be made?
You don't.
Animation is dead, you can't find a job there.
So it's just something you can do as a hobby on the side in your spare time off work.
Get with the times grandpa.

>>149370909 (OP)
Do you?