Thread 149372179

The only thing they needed to do was getting rid of Snyder...they had him destroying the DCU for a decade.
What the fuck happened from 2013 to now?!

>>149372179 (OP)
>What the fuck happened from 2013 to now?!
WB coping, them also rushing to course correct over and over again without really thinking things through, and a fuckton of company politics.

If nothing else, the book that'll get published about it like 20 years from now will be very interesting.

>>149372179 (OP)
Don't act like this movie will restart it, it's nothing but the flavor of the month superman, they might make a second movie but he will be replaced for another superman movie.

>>149372179 (OP)
>What the fuck happened from 2013 to now?!
Warner Bros was run by people who shouldn't have been running Warner Bros

I have high hopes for a new Wonder Woman and Batman. How long before they try Flash again? Do you think Lanterns will be good?

>>149372541
>Flash
I'm more excited for Aquaman and Shazam, if they get to the latter. I think Aquaman is more likely.

Really hope Wondy doesn't get the shaft, cuz she deserves a good adaptation as well.

>>149372577
I don't think they'll do Shazam again. Sequel bombed, Dwayne Johnson poisoned the well, and frankly Billy's mortal younger self is an ongoing filming complication that they might as well just leave be. Only way Shazam will be in the DCU is if we never see his kid form, and regulated to side character. Aquaman is probably fine, but I don't know if he'll ever get another solo film.

I have no idea why you fags ever doubted Gunn...

>>149372239
Gunn at minimum is gonna get a decade.

>>149372541
Lanterns is gonna be good but also probably not an action packed fx show.
Batman...is way to early theres no way they are gonna 2 Batman in different universe so close together.

>>149372688
God bless Cat Grant's fake tits

>>149372734
I don't think that's going to be an issue. Look at how SONY and Disney were able to have two completely different Marvel universes coincide.

>>149372638
>Aquaman is probably fine, but I don't know if he'll ever get another solo film.
Idk, the first movie did $1B at the BO. The sequel had a hard drop but you can attribute that to people knowing that the DCEU was dead by that time. There's certainly an audience there for him.

>>149373947
Not just that but the Aquaman sequel did better than the other films that were released after Gunn announced the DC reboot.

The Flash:
Budget $200–220 million
Box office $271.4 million

Shazam 2:
Budget: $110–125 million
Box office: $134.1 million

Blue Beetle:
Budget $104–125 million
Box office $131 million

Aquaman 2:
Budget: $205–215 million
Box office: $439.4 million

>>149375044
Damn that's noticeably much better.

I have to think they're at least considering it.

Shame Shazam probably isn't going to be in it, although it seems like something right up Gunn's alley.

>>149375044
Aquaman (and Wonder Woman) are Marvel-type films full of quips and humor and in Wonder Woman's case wacky side-characters (the not-Howling Commandoes).

It was the Snydertone that killed the whole endeavor and kept it from reaching the heights of the MCU. Never did a DCEU film manage to be the top grossing cape movie, even when they threw whole teams of them.

>>149375163
Holy copium.
Post the Snyder budget and box offices.

>>149372179 (OP)
>What the fuck happened from 2013 to now?!
they hired you to shill it ?

>>149372179 (OP)
At least Snyder Superman had good action and good music. This new superman is boring.

>>149375163
>It was the Snydertone that killed the whole endeavor and kept it from reaching the heights of the MCU. Never did a DCEU film manage to be the top grossing cape movie, even when they threw whole teams of them.
I mean, yeah. This is pretty obvious.

It's also weird how Snyder tried to bring these characters together that had weird, different takes but the audience wasn't really familiar with them. What's even the point of bringing these iconic characters for the first time if you're just going to change them so they're barely recognizable anyway?

>>149372179 (OP)
What happened? Warner hired another director with a gigantic ego and who doesn't respect comics and again the new Warner management is the same as the old one, none of them like or know DC

>Gunn Supes dad
>Whatever you do son, we're proud of you
>Snyder Supes dad
>you should let a bus full of kids die

huh?

>>149375181
>Post the Snyder budget and box offices.
The only DCEU films that performed well against their budget, Snyder did not direct, and just "produced".

>>149375295
>Snyder Jor-El
>You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders
>Gunn Jor-El
>Kill and conquest them! Also rape as many women as you can!
Huh?

>>149375363
>You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders
This was lifted straight out of All Star Superman and should, in no way, be attributed to Zack Snyder.

>>149375181
Man of Steel - $225m budget, $670m box
BvS - $300m budget, 875m box
JUSTice League - $300m, $661m box

The money would have been better spent on a Harry Pooter reboot.

>>149372179 (OP)
Aquaman and Wonder Woman succeeding was the worst thing that could have happened. It made WB try to keep the Sneederverse going when they should’ve put it down and rebooted.

>>149375424
They hyped Man of Steel for an entire year, pre-sold tickets almost a full year out, which they have never repeated, and then blacked out reviews til it was in theaters (which gave it a good opening but it fell off afterward).
It SHOULD have been a dead end like Superman Returns, but the MCU-too was too enticing.a

>>149375383
Yes we know. They tweaked the speech a little but how is literally adapting a comic to a movie a bad thing?

>>149375424
As much as I enjoyed those movies, you weren't wrong.

>>149372179 (OP)
>What the fuck happened from 2013 to now?!
After the disaster that was Green Lantern (in contrast to the Nolan trilogy), WB became convinced that the key to beating Marvel was not to copy it but to become its thematic opposite.

>>149375447
My point is, Snyder isn't a genius. He and Goyer just ripped that dialogue from the comic to make it seem like they were faithfully adapting the character. Because Kal in the movie hadn't even accomplished shit by that point and even when he had, it was with a shit ton of destruction and lives lost.

>>149375447
Throwing out a quote from a comic, or aping a panel from a comic, means nothing if you just otherwise ignore the tone, themes and hopefulness of said comic.
It means the writer read the comic once, the Director ain't reading shit.

>>149375383
>This was lifted straight out of All Star Superman
And? Jor-El giving that comic-based speech and Superman flying for the first time was better than anything from the new movie.

>>149375494
Exactly.

>>149375501
Look, out of all the Snyderverse stuff, I didn't even hate MoS but let's not pretend like it was a good Superman movie. It was a decent sci-fi action flick with a character named 'Superman' in it.

>>149375501
>Superman flying for the first time
Of course it's going to be a scene where Superman says nothing and just hops around.
A dreadful Superman actor for a dreadful Director of actors. So we get Man of Autism.

>>149375516
>let's not pretend like it was a good Superman movie
It wasn't but it was entertaining.

>>149375519
The new actor isn't a good Superman either.

>>149375494
Oh it's you.
You I do not care for and will ignore from now on.

>>149375560
I'll reserve my opinion til I see it tomorrow. But Cavill was a mediocre actor subverted with shit writing. There's nothing impressive at all about MoS except some CGI action scenes. Nothing.

>>149375560
>The new actor isn't a good Superman either.
Wrong, he's easily the best Superman in the movies since Reeve.

>>149375571
Sure let's pretend anyone or any argument was going to convince you out of your nonstop Snyder ball-licking.

>>149372734
Do you know if Nathan’s Guy Gardner in the Lanterns show?

>>149375468
>Because Kal in the movie hadn't even accomplished shit by that point and even when he had, it was with a shit ton of destruction and lives lost.
Snyderbots using that quote is hilarious because Cavill never gave anyone an ideal to strive for. He was a miserable bastard who succumbed to the nihilism of the world. He and Batman were brutal killers who never were held accountable for their actions.

>>149375588
>best Superman in the movies since Reeve.
And that impresses you? It's not a high bar. He is worse than pretty much every cartoon Superman

>>149375560
Corenswet utterly mogs Cavill and honestly might be better than Reeve. He has charm and personality but also flaws. He’s not a stoic unrelatable god.

>>149372179 (OP)
turns out the biggest Snyderfags of all actually worked at Warner.

>>149372179 (OP)
>The only thing they needed to do was getting rid of Snyder
Yeah I was saying this back in 2017, and it was pretty clear when Aquaman came out.

>>149375638
adapting a comic to a cartoon will always more easy than a real action

>>149375638
> He is worse than pretty much every cartoon Superman
Like who? DCAU Superman who was an angry retard that jobbed even worse, and is only remembered for people laughing at Batman cucking him? Reason no one likes Superman anymore is he hasn’t been well served in ages. None of his animated portrayals converted people into fans.

>>149375363
>You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders
Yes that's why Snyder sucked, he viewed Superman as a Christ like Messiah when in reality Superman is Moses. If you get this key aspect of the character wrong then the whole well is poisoned from the beginning
Despite Gunn's take of Jor-el he completely hit the nail on the head with Superman so everything else works

>>149372239
Well yeah no shit, there is a Superman movie every single decade since the 70s.

>>149375630
>Superman
>brutal killer
So, killing a man that wanted to kill every single human is bad but killing a clone that just wanted to kill you is fine?

>>149372179 (OP)
>They only had to get rid of Snyder, see!?

>Every movie after they outted Snyder was a flop
>The new Superman is doing below Man of Steel numbers over 10 years later
Doesn't look like Snyder was the problem, but I do understand that you're too mentally deranged to see otherwise.

>>149372757
Or every single Superhero movie made before last decade that were never in shared universes.

>>149372179 (OP)
We used to want everything to be edgy.
However, in 2025, everyone is edgy, and we've got edging fatigue.

>>149375677
The best part is that he does massive mental gymnastics to save the dinosaur and take it to a zoo.
But brainwashed clone who's actually much weaker than him without the cameras? Nope. You die.

>>149375665
>DCAU Superman who was an angry retard
Did you watch Superman TAS, you Gunn shill? Darkseid fucked up Superman's mind. It was character development
>None of his animated portrayals converted people into fans
Tons of people love the DCAU.

>>149375665
>My jobber Superman is better than your jobber Superman because... because I say so!

>>149375363
If we can’t have both parents being supportive it’s WAY more important that Pa Kent is. If Jor El tells him to be a conqueror but his adoptive dad says follow your heart, his choice to be good is human actualization. If his earth parents say hide from the world but Joe El says lead them with your super powers and he does, he’s answering a divine calling. It’s literally an anti-Superman spin on the content.

>>149375571
>he thinks there’s one person on planet earth who dislikes Snyder’s insultingly off base interpretation of one of the most important fictional characters of all time.

>>149375714
> Darkseid fucked up Superman's mind. It was character development

Why would I care WHY they turned him into a mopey prick then sidelined him for more batwank? I care they chose to do that at all.

>>149375665
>None of his animated portrayals converted people into fans.
Why are you pretending this new movie is going to turn normalfags into fans of superman?

>>149372711
Don't you mean Gunna?

>>149375630
>He was a miserable bastard who succumbed to the nihilism of the world.
It's fucking hilarious how he looks like he never actually wants to be saving anyone. Like in any given scene, he looks like it's a huge inconvenience to save the day. Like he'd rather be home downing some Mt. Dew and gaming or some shit. Kek

>>149375887
>slooooooowly descending down to a single rooftop that evoked his name like a summoned angel as hundreds of other people are drowning around him

It’s all style over substance, I don’t think Snyder ever actually meant for us to think about that shit but just on his actual deeds, that is someone who WANTS to look like a savior. Batfleck was right in his paranoia.

>>149375677
>>149375712
>Snyderdrones truly believe Supes clone died
lol

>>149375619
He is. Fillion said Guy drops a lot of F-bombs in it

>>149375986
Kino, can’t wait. I like Kyle Chandler too

>>149375671
>there is a Superman movie every single decade since the 70s.
There wasn't one in the 90's.

>>149375560
>The new actor isn't a good Superman either.
Honestly I'm bummed the latest movie was just messy plotwise and didn't focus on landing the emotional beats since the casting for both Supernan and Lois Lane were fucking perfect this time around. Imagine doing Golden Age MCU-tier casting and pairing it with a post-Endgame-tier plot.

>>149375796
Because it will Sneederfag. It got good reviews and reception. Corensupes has charm and personality, he gets hurt in fights, he’s not just a granite block. He wins the fight at the end by using his brain rather than brute force like Cavill. He’s likable in all the ways DCEU Superman was not.

>>149376554
It's making less than MoS did 10 years ago.
The shillreviews don't seem to be swaying the general public.

>>149376554
>It got good reviews and reception
So did it the early MCU yet normalfags didn't become real fans of Iron Man.

>>149376554
>B-but the reviews!

>>149375363
I really don't like either of them. Snyder Jor-El has no reason to believe his son will be a moral bulwark. It's putting the cart before the horse. He didn't send his son to earth to lead humanity like God did with Jesus. Jor-El just wanted his son to live a full life. I don't like Gunn's Jor-El either. He sounds like a dumb psychopath. If Superman lorded over earth, he would have been killed by a dozen different humans. Would have put him on Batman's shit list.

>>149372429
>Warner Bros was run by people who shouldn't have been running Warner Bros
So, just like at the current era. Some things never change.

>>149372541
Wonder Woman never had a good story, her comics are shit, her movies are shit, her show is overrated and also extremely shit, she's one of the worst characters in DCAU.
She's just a bad character all-around.

>>149372179 (OP)
We're not out of the clear yet. James Gunn is a good director of capeshit and has directed all four canon installments of the universe so far.
Batman: Brave and the Bold is still held hostage by the Flash director, which has me worried. More broadly, we need to see a good movie or show without Gunn directing/writing to know whether the universe has legs.

>>149375953
its such an obvious set up for bizaro i cant comprehend people thinking the clone died

>People were going to DIE!

He nailed the performance on exactly why Jesus has every reason to be disappointed with us in a similar fashion. Superman literally drops out of the sky and threatens hard disciplinary action because he has the ability to impose good and thank GOD he does because you really shouldn't be motivating the guy who has the ability to act to do absolutely nothing while lives could be lost in the process. Superman is a metahuman. He is an alien. It is quiet literally a miracle that he followed good traditional christian upbringing to fall in love with humanity and identity with us to the degree that he loves us enough to continually sacrifice his own happiness to stand at it's guardian against all threats.

I know it isn't Lois per se but more her taking on the stance of devil's advocate which is why I appreciate her stopping her line of questioning when she saw that it was causing Clark to do nothing but retreat into himself which is the absolute last thing you want the strongest person operating on the side of good to do. Clark isn't supposed to withdraw.

Superman is supposed to be the fictional hero that everyone and their mother can use to make the closest jump to Jesus as possible.The theme of doing the Will of the Father is still present. Corrupting that for a change in tone isn't necessarily bad and has been done before but in this present age it feels more of a middle finger to the face than good natured rib. Something that one of the icons of masculinity certainly didn't need. Same with Man being unable to tame Man's Best Friend. That sets a terrible mental precedent that, if anything, sends the message that dogs suck and that Clark can't get the respect of a Super Mutt to do it's job. Kara being a terrible pet owner doesn't send a positive message. Krypto not being his canon breed sitinks. Gunn not having respect or a knowledge of Christ means he was always going to fail to write a loving homage to the fictional symbol of Jesus..

>>149372734
>Lanterns is gonna be good
Two things:
1. Tom King
2. Damon Lindelof
I rest my case.

>>149372734
>Lanterns is gonna be good
My ass it will.

>>149375697
>We used to want everything to be edgy
Kids NOW want edgy shit, bro.

Snyderjeets?
Snyderjeets are dead, my friend
You can call us Gunnjeets!
And as you can see, we are a lot happier!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJorkO2AjuM

>>149375953
>He will survive, you see, dont matter that Supes had murdering intent!
Retard logic