Thread 149372349

superman 2025 was good but why did they turn krypton into murdery space rapists??? Not even my adventures with superman got that dark lol, came out of left field, thrn again Gunn has dark shit come out of nowhere even in light hearted stuff

>>149372349 (OP)
I was really hoping for it to be a fakeout like Birthright but they only doubled down on it, I really disliked it.
I feel like Gunn took way too much inspiration from Byrne's run of Superman basically denouncing his Kryptonian heritage and claiming he's all human.

Deepfake
>But they said it was real
Lex can trick people. The entire movie was about Lex trying to manipulate people and you think he's gonna stop at doing a deepfake?

>>149372349 (OP)
To enforce that John and Martha were Clark's REAL parents, in case that wasn't obvious.

>>149372349 (OP)
>space rapists
Jor-El just said make a harem, could all be consensual.

So was Kara given these orders as well?

Reminder that we still don't know if the message was real or not and the fact that so many people here still don't get that is proof of this site's lack of media literacy.

>b-b-but Luthor and Terrific said it was real
Luthor could've doctored it, Holt may have missed that, or the message could've been faked by Brainiac before the ship even landed on Earth. We'll never know until the sequel, probably.

>>149372349 (OP)
when they made Superman 1978 the US space program was still running, not some privately-provided joke being undermined by private interests who want private space travel to be a reality (in spite of their inability to provide it in any realistic scale)

when they were making this movie it was clearly obvious to anybody with eyes that the only people who'll be going to other planets are slavers, because that's literally the manifesto of the would-be martian colonists who are hollowing out public-owned space exploration and replacing it with junk halos and exploding dickships, to go to mars etc with a million poor people and have them work off their travel debt (protip: they never would even if they weren't facing incredibly hostile conditions, they'd be there as breeding stock for the next generation of colonists and free labor for the colony owners); whether it ends up being chattel slavery, bonded servitude or simple truck, it's clear that the only people who'll be making decisions on mars will be the owners of the colony, and nobody will be coming to help the colonists themselves (though apparently we might just nuke them quietly)

of course if we were going to an inhabited human-like planet, there wouldn't be much point sending many colonists (expensive) when you can just send a guy or two to breed with the population (if you've seen Man of Steel, Invincible etc and don't know how genes actually work) or lord it over them and make them change the world to your liking

and that's why there will never be benevolent Kryptonians again, because nobody now believes in the dream of peaceful space exploration, because the reality is, it's for-profit and fuck-you

>>149372349 (OP)
I dont see it as evil but just the parents being well meaning in a kryptonian way. "Son you are gonna be the last of your kind I hope you live a good life and have a harem with lots of children"

Lex Luthor made it sound evil but in the end it's just a different culture.

>>149372349 (OP)
So if that's what Jor-El was like what's Dru-Zod gonna be like?

I've always cared more about the Kents. My only problem with it is I want the bottle of Kandor to show up eventually and I don't know how much Clark wants to have a whole city of breeding stock enthusiasts.

>>149372349 (OP)
It seemed like the most obvious fix was to reveal that Lex doctored the message. Done and dusted. It was a lie. Instead they doubled down on it because Gunn is a fucking retard.

>>149372421
>media literacy
People who unironically use this phrase more often than not have objectively incorrect takes about media. And just look at your entire post.

>>149372811
This is how I took it too, like that Boondocks with MLK where he says we should forgive the terrorists and the media twists it into he hates America

>>149372369
>>149372374
I want to think that Luthor did a biased translation and since there are not current people that can speak Kryptonian, there is not a way to check out. Imagine the early states of MTL and their shoddy results,

>>149372349 (OP)
I have to imagine the sequel will dig deeper into Krypton lore through Brainiac or some shit and possibly showing them in a better light

>>149372374
I can believe that, but I feel like they would've revealed it at some point in this movie, why end this movie with the message that Clark is right to denounce his birth parents if they're just going to walk back on it later?

>>149373470
>sequel
Lmao

>>149372349 (OP)
Was very clear and obvious that he saw Invincible and decided to rip off Viltrumites, not sure why anyone is pretending it could possibly be anything else. It's the easiest and most logical explanation at the same time, stop sucking Gunn's dick, he's just a human being, he watched a TV show and thought it was cool and decided to steal the idea, simple as.

>>149372349 (OP)
>>149373599
Kryptonians being assholes isn't a new concept. Read a book

>>149373626
No, but specifically the "rape and supplant the planet" is ripped right from the Viltrumite playbook.

playing devils advocate here. The khryptonians being evil works well thematically.
The fact that clark chooses to be good even after learning about the true message says a lot. And it sets up the scene later where he ends up seeing the kents as his real parents.

>>149372792
Fuck Musk. It took a turbo memelord dipshit to make robots and space uncool.

>>149373639
>"rape and supplant the planet" is ripped right from the Viltrumite playbook.
Jor-El didn't ask him to conquer and rape. This is the same race that went on a galactic conquest with crystal technology in comics I might add. You're only complaining about it because its the most familiar comparison you are able to make, casual

>>149373665
>The fact that clark chooses to be good even after learning about the true message says a lot.
No, the fuck it doesn't, if anything, it just means Clark is constantly having to make up for his parents' evil intentions, now it's "oh, I have to be good because I can't be like my evil dead parents".
It also makes their deaths less of a tragedy, because now it's actually a good thing that they died, since they apparently weren't good people at all.
>it sets up the scene later where he ends up seeing the kents as his real parents.
Clark can have two sets of real parents, you shouldn't have to villainize the Els to make the Kents look good.

>>149373599
Current Jor-El is a demented villain that abducted his grandson for years or a guy with a cuck fetish. I don't see how you need to bring Invincible when Jor-el characterization flip flops between villanious and benign

>>149372349 (OP)
Didn’t the same thing happen in Smallville?

>>149374152
Yeah, and after who knows how many seasons it was retconned to finally end up being a benevolent presence. So the same can happen with the gunnverse on future movies.

>>149374130
>Current
I know you gave up comics when Bendis started writing Superman, but they've already been trying to walk back on that.
A bit too much if you ask me, I don't like Jor-El being evil, but I also think that as a scientist, he should be allowed to push science a little too much, like with the Phantom Zone Projector.

I can’t wait for the hd release online, i want to look back over the mural in the hall of justice

>>149373599
It's closer to dragon ball, and is funnier
>Goku's alien origin is inspired by superman, with a distinction that he was sent to destroy earth
>Superman now more closely resembles Goku's, being sent down to conquer earth

I liked it for the sole reason of seeing some parents cringe a little whenever they said haram

>>149372349 (OP)
Give me one solid, airtight moral argument against the super-harem.

>>149373228
>People who unironically use this phrase more often than not have objectively incorrect takes about media. And just look at your entire post.
Kek, maybe any of this is true if you're an idiot.

>>149372406
No bc she's a woman and maybe Krypton is kinda like Pakistan and they sent her to be Supes first wife

>Power Girl is given the same orders and is making a harem

How do you respond?

>>149374844
I'm doing my part!

>>149374844
Idk shit about irl actors who would be a good pick for peej?

>>149373475
Maybe that's something Kara will address in her movie, or maybe it'll be something for season 2.

I mean, Kara probably has a message from her father too, and I doubt it was something like, "Get pregnant as many times as you can and kill all your children who aren't genetically perfect or weak."

>>149374270
>Bendis started writing Superman
>>149374130
>when Jor-el characterization flip flops
Blame Cereal Lord for that more than Bendis but in any event, in multiples of decades of being written, Jor El was only RECENTLY "evil" and that's just using your word since most people wouldn't use it.

>>149374130
Why are so many comic characters cucks???

Especially at marvel, with DC i see more cuckqeans however

>>149375073
Anon mentioned what Bendis did specifically, that's why I mentioned him.
They already had Jor-El back for a while before that, but their excuse for that was that he had brain poisoning from Kryptonite, Bendis just forgot about that, said he was like that normally, and even said he created that Rogol Zaar faggot too without elaborating, so I guess he was responsible for the death of Krypton too.
Again, I don't know how much of this bullshit that Bendis did is even canon anymore, specially since Waid has been doing so much damage control lately, but that is DC's latest attempt in the comics at making mainline Jor-El morally questionable, or even outright evil.

>>149372406
nah shes from Kandor. If Supes was from Space Saudi Arabia shes from Space Turkey

>>149373188
lol, they might do a New Krypton story adaptation

>>149374844
this was unironically an idea i had for re-introducing PG and not having her be Superman's cousin from an alternate universe but instead an unrelated female Kryptonian that Clark of course gets to know and begins to develop feelings for (and Her for him) but her deal is she remembers and lived on Krypton so comes off strange, cold and a bit authoritarian to the humans of earth and when they are seen flying around, kissing in the sky and having dates on the moon people start getting very freaked out because of the implications. What if these two kryptonians start having kids and now we have 3 or 4 or 5 more invincible beings on earth, will they all be good? what do we do? what if she changes Superman to be more like her? (western humans are not a big fan of how stand offish and rutheless she can be) and a lot of conflict came from that aspect.

>>149374888
Sydney Sweeny lel

>>149372421
Media literacy would be knowing that Superman disowning them for his birth parents in the final scene is proof, because it serves the themes of the film. What you’re talking about is cinemasins continuity autism and it’s done by people who have no fucking media literacy.

>>149375828
>Media literacy would be knowing that Superman disowning them for his birth parents in the final scene is proof, because it serves the themes of the film.
>What you’re talking about is cinemasins continuity autism
These two things are not mutually exclusive, you idiot.

You also mean his adopted parents and not his birth parents.

>>149374622
You don't even have regular literacy, friend

>>149375912
Oh yeah, adoptive
> These two things are not mutually exclusive, you idiot.
In this case it is, pretty flatly.

>>149373453
Clark's robots at the Fortress of Solitude told him what the first half of the message said. Lex never asked them, and Clark never asks them either. It would have been so easy for a robot to speak up and say Jor-El wants Clark to find a family on earth. It would have been touching and sweet, but instead they just gloss over the whole thing.

>>149373453
I wish they didn't have Mr Terrific doubling down on it saying "Naw dawg, trust the experts", as if that was supposed to make it indisputable.

>>149376158
How would that scene serve the narrative of "you are the choices you make" for the movie? Scenes need to have a purpose, after all.

>>149372349 (OP)
Gunn wanted to reuse the same tired "found family" message he wrote into GotG 2. He couldn't figure out how to craft a sympathetic twist from the source material so he demonized the El's and turned the Kents into stupid hicks. Simple as that.

>>149372349 (OP)
I just assumed the second half of the message was messed around with to make Superman look bad. A lie is more convincing if there's some truth mixed into it.

>>149372349 (OP)
In one of the DCAU comics, Lara El survived with others on Argo, brainwashed Superman and Supergirl and planned on killing every human so that Kryptonians could inherit the Earth.

>>149374903
I dunno, her dad is a dick in most interpretations

>>149372349 (OP)
jewish allegory
jor el was telling superman to make the goyim/palestinians submit
it's a second parallel to israel to the more overt one found in the movie

>>149377693
I agree. The damaged message sent back with Kal was so insanely jewish zionist, the glowing chosen ones, telling him its his role to bring light to the world. I was shocked they ended up vilifying them.

>"Superman is an immigrant"
>"oh but also he completely rejects the horrible, disgusting, rapey culture that his birth parentd tried to instill on him and instead embraces the glorious, wholesome, All-American teachings of his adoptive Kansas parents"
And they said this movie was woke.

James Goon when I fucking get you.

Superman isn't a hero because he has super powers on Earth. He's a hero because of his moral character. Other Kryptonians are just like humans in the sense that some are good people, some are assholes.

>>149372349 (OP)
Seeding planets with genetic super rulers who are tasked with helping stupid and weak people while repopulating through the use of harems (a dated concept, but once moree common for the elite) isn't necessarily evil and you can see how his people's culture can create baggage rather than them being just genuinely benevolent by our standards. That darkness helps to show Superman's light.

>>149372406
I have a theory, She know having sex with everyone on Earth to make new kryptontians would make her cousin very angry so she decided to go to other planet and fuck other aliens. Superman assume she just goes out to Party but it much worse than that.

>>149377907
I agree, but also, he isnt an immigrant, and immigrant chooses to go to another country, hes a refugee with nowhere to go back to.

>see memes of people seeing the movie and wanting to or being inspired to do good with there fellow man
>People on this board see the movie and double down on wanting to kill all non-white people

>>149374293
Same, I know I saw Wildcat and Atom but I wanna see who else got on there

>>149376201
Yeah Terrific saying that felt really weird, like it doesn't really fit very well with the rest of the narrative

>>149377770
plus, superman's origin is in many ways a moses allegory

>>149372421
>>149372811
Yeah I think that's the route Gunn might go with it, assuming he decides to retcon it, in that Lex deliberately misinterpreted the translation and what they're actually trying to say is much better than we were led to believe

>>149372421
lol complain about media literacy while failing to read the media.

I actually bet they will retcon it; the chosen people can NOT be happy with the overall subtext.

>>149372349 (OP)
I think it will be retconned as Kara can say that's not the actual translation or it's been doctored.