Thread 149374943

Why not just have him be Bizarro?
The "twist" was not at all surprising and there was no reason to keep everything about the character exactly the same except the design and name. It's the only choice in this movie I genuinely can't understand. I disagree with some other choices, sure, this one I don't even get why they did it

>>149374943 (OP)
Lex did make a point to say “he’s somehow dumber than you” which leads me to believe they plan on having him go “me do opposite” in the future installments. I think they just needed a physical threat to give Clark.

>>149374987
I agree completely but it's very silly to me that they tried to make it a twist. Just have him be a pale, deformed Superman in a crash test summy type version of the Superman suit. Or just go all out with the purple since it's on his suit already.
The pocket dimension was filled with cubes so I'm guessing that'll eventually become Bizarro World

>>149374943 (OP)
>make him look like Bizarro
>call him 'Experiment-14 Beta' or something instead of 'Ultraman'
And I would be ok with this.

I do think he's probably going to come back as Bizarro proper though.

>>149374943 (OP)
What is Bizarros origin anyway? That has never been made clear to me.

>>149374943 (OP)
He fell into a Black Hole in a sci-fi flick, which is basically code for "he's coming back"
He most likely building bizarro earth somewhere, capeshit movies love merging several characters into one

>>149374943 (OP)
I think they're setting up him devolving into Bizarro for a return appearance. He's clearly a flawed clone, and the dimension he was thrown into had cubic matter implying Bizarro world. Would be cool if he returned with inverted powers
>>149375040
There's two actually; clone Bizarro and Bizarro World Bizarro. The former is a failed clone Lex grew that deteriorated over time, while the latter is from another dimension where everything is topsy turvy

>>149375028
>>149375038
Yeah calling him “Ultraman” gives the impression Lex is trying to market him when “Subject B-0” also gets the point across without the need for secrecy.

>>149375040
Created by Luthor but too caothic to control, at least in most continuities

>>149375040
It depends
Originally he was a riff on Frankenstein because Superboy got hit with a duplication ray

>>149375082
It also doesn't make things confusing if they ever do Crime Syndicate
Just a bad idea overall

>>149375074
>There's two actually; clone Bizarro and Bizarro World Bizarro. The former is a failed clone Lex grew that deteriorated over time, while the latter is from another dimension where everything is topsy turvy
The clone Bizarro is also post-Crisis I believe.

>>149375111
That was my exact process. You may as well have used a different name.

>>149375152
No it was a clone at first too

>>149375082
>>149375111
>>149375152
I don't believe we're getting The Crime Syndicate. Not unless Lex got the name by observing other universes when creating his pocket dimension prison. I think people want to see The Legion of Doom before The Crime Syndicate anyway.

>>149375184
They could always do Justice Lords as well

>>149375111
>Ultraman becomes Bizarro but the black hole also takes him to another dimension with a Crime Syndicate

>>149375082
>“Subject B-0”
That stinks

>>149375167
Huh, how about that.

>>149375184
I really hope we get the Crime Syndicate. The Legion of Doom would be sweet too. We haven't really seen either concept in live-action, so this would be a chance either way to see something somewhat fresh. Though I would like to see them do the Crime Syndicate, maybe leading up to a Crisis movie, because they never seem to get their due.

On that note, I really hope they don't just introduce iconic villains, and then kill them off.

>They got the location of Metropolis and Gotham right
Gunn you have earned your place

>>149375222
Fine then nigga give me your pun if you think you’re so smart

>>149375235
Nasthalthia takes a selfie with it and just calls him Bizarro Superman

>>149375259
The word “Bizarro” exists cause of the character you can’t just throw the adjective onto him like it’s a preexisting word

>>149375028
I think the only reason they keep his face covered all the time is that Lex doesn't like seeing it.

>>149375276
The original authors did

>>149375040
He's always a failed clone of Superman, but the how he is made is constantly changing.

>Special raygun that makes retard clones was the thing in the 60s
>Lex makes an old fashioned clone but it degrades
>Mxy makes a copy of Superman but it's retarded and mas reverse powers because Mxy is stupid like that
>Alternate universe where everything is the opposite and Bizarro is just their Superman
>Lex clone experiment he had to release early before it was done in an emergency and it came out stupid.

>>149374987
My problem with Bizarro in the sequel is I'm tired of the physical villains always being Kryptonians. I'd much rather we get something more unique.

>>149375593
I don't disagree with this but one thing that really helped this movie in particular was that Superman had other bad guys/threats to fight, like the Engineer, the kaiju, and the security dudes.

>>149375593
>>149375610
This is implying Bizarro is a villain in a sequel. He'd be more of a one off fight stepping stone to a bigger issue. In a lot of versions hes just a big child that can be reasoned with. Or maybe we wont see him in a Superman movie after this, but instead falls into The Legion of Doom as Lex's bodyguard
>"This is Ultram-"
>"Bizarro..."
>"...What?"
>"Me....Am....Bizarro! Me choose own name!"
>".....Sure, whatever. Bizarro here will kill anyone here who tries to be funny. We work together towards a common goal"
>Joker: "But Lex, I'm all about funny!"

>>149375593
I would put money on the next villain being Brainiac
After that I could see them doing Legion of Superheroes

>>149375648
>What's that... "Kryptonite" stuff called?
>It's called Kryptonite.
God I love this Lex

>>149375652
>After that I could see them doing Legion of Superheroes
I'd be very fucking happy to finally see the LoSH on the big screen.

>>149375184
The Legion of Doom is the #1 thing I wanna see in this universe. Would be fun as hell to see a group of villains work together. IIRC, Gunn wants the first team-up movie to be like JL: The New Frontier, so The Legion of Doom would be a good sequel to that. Also, I haven't gotten around to watching Creature Commandos yet, but I heard Circe gets thrown into Belle Reve too so I can already see some pieces forming since Lex also got sent there at the end. Maybe have Captain Cold and The Rogues fight Flash in his solo movie. That, plus we're getting Sinestro in that Lanterns show and we're getting a Clayface movie. Those 5 are already matchups for the main 5 League members (though, I'd swap Clayface out with a different Batman villain). Add in some other characters like Bizarro, Cheetah, Scarecrow, and the Legion will look nice.

>>149374987
Posted this in another thread but you can read this both ways. Both are possible. For example Luthor is stated to work in high level science projects with chaotic possibilities. In addition to that Luthor writes off information that doesn't match his goals. Also, Luthor states that Ultraman is slow and too stupid to function without his direction, going so fare as to tell Ultraman how to fight, but part way through the movie we seen Ultraman making decisions and by the end of the movie he is fighting Superman even though Luthor can no longer command him. Using these scenes you could argue that he is developing Bizarro level of intelligence and the black hole will change his physical appearance. But you could also argue that due to Luthor's obsession to destory and pettiness towards Superman is blinding him to Ultraman's development. Luthor is right that he is slow but maybe he's not the type of "slow" he thinks he is. His mind is trying to catch up with his body. So what you have is a Ultraman that is similar to the comics because not as smart as Superman and prone to emotional outburst which is explained because he has the mind of a mean child.

>>149375652
>After that I could see them doing Legion of Superheroes
>>149375929
>finally see the LoSH on the big screen.
they could barely do an animated adaptation as part of the last universe and that one character only use of Thom with what was essentially a Jess GL movie and neither of those did well, comparatively, for the animated direct to DVD releases

>>149375229
Based Gunn, I never doubted him even once.

>>149376898
All DC animated movies after Timm are shit

>>149374943 (OP)
>Movie makes a point of having Lex create a pocket dimension full of cubist architecture
>In the end, Ultraman gets sucked into a black hole created by said pocket dimension
They're so obviously setting up Bizarro World. He'll probably have degenerated into a full on Bizarro by the time we see him next

>>149374943 (OP)
He was Bizarro. He was called Ultraman because Lex was marketing him as a replacement for Superman so naturally he'd have a name that sounds "better" than Superman. The twist is really only for the characters and a few normies, remember that Bizarro isn't exactly the most well known character

>>149374943 (OP)
Anyone else think at first he was supposed to be Superboy?

>>149378564
Definitely, but I just feel like there was no reason to hide it. Just have him be a degenerated Superman clone from moment one

>>149374943 (OP)
It doesn't matter because he was just an extension of Lex's fighting game number pad. We can get Bizarro later.

>>149375040
he's like Doomsday in that the origin is often different and usually modified to fit the continuity it's in, but he's usually either A) a Superman from another dimension where everything is reversed, or B) a failed/unfinished clone who deteriorates and gets worse over time.

the Superman & Lois show is interesting in that regard, because in it Lex creates Doomsday out of Bizarro. he has a sad story in that show.

>>149375593
i would have liked lobo but they're going to give him to super slut to hang around with.

>>149378564
>>149378967
The point of an oblique reference is that not everyone will get it.

>>149375652
Movie 2 ends with Brainiac giving Luthor the plans to Solaris before dying

>>149374943 (OP)
Gunn is smart enough to keep Bizarro for actual Bizarro.
The faceless bland Superman clone let acted as a cypher for Luthor, keeping the focus on him.

>>149374943 (OP)
>Why not just have him be Bizarro?
>>149375038
>I do think he's probably going to come back as Bizarro proper though.

Hollywood never does obvious things like this

how do you write a whole script about a villain clone Superman and not make it Bizarro

>>149378967
I see people saying this, Lex was trying to advertise him for military applications, to fight against Superman. Why would they call a military asset named Bizarro, and how would they sell an anti Superman measure, that is basically a Duperman clone?

>>149380141
You know, that's a good point. They got their physical threat in without taking anything from Luthor. This was a smart move.

I hope the sequel gives us Bizarro proper but still does unexpected things in terms of bad guys. Brainiac would be amazing but it'd be cool if they threw another wrench in there, just to keep things interesting.

>>149378612
no but it definitely sets up Superboy for later, the "he's even dumber than you comment" can hint at both Bizarro's stupidity but also Lex combining Kryptonian genetics with his own intelligence

>>149378158
*after McDuffie

>>149374943 (OP)
Why him specifically?

>>149375038
The point of the Ultraman was because he was trying to Market him, engineer and his raptor goons to the US government as a state sponsored alternative to metahuman superheroes

>>149384200
Black Panther

>>149375229
I cheered a bit when I saw the Delaware license plates.

>>149380328
As long as they don't use Zod again, I'm happy.
Bizarro and the 5th Dimensional Imps should be saved for World's Finest, if it ever happens.
A follow-up Superman film should do Brainiac or Mongul.

>>149374943 (OP)
>The "twist" was not at all surprising
That's because you already know who Ultraman is.

>>149384549
I would love them to adapt "For the Man Who Has Everything", but I feel like it can't work with the current iteration of Jor-El, and Superman's perception of him

>>149384549
As much as I love Zod, I think they should just not use him again, unless they think of a really clever use for him or do something like World of New Krypton. Alternatively, they could use Jax-Ur or something.

>>149385036
I've been wanting to see an adaptation of that story fin a movie or years now but I agree that unless it's revealed there's something up with the recording, they should do something differently.

>>149378564
>pocket dimension
will we get matrix dating Lex II?

I’ve never read a Superman comic, isn’t bizarro basically down syndrome Superman?