Thread 149376701

I just don't think a misanthrope can or should write superheroes. I don't really blame Moore for hating superheroes' domination of Western comics since he's very ill-suited to them as a writer. You'll notice all his best stuff is very grim and gory, like From Hell and V For Vendetta.

I mean, what's the main theme of Watchmen? It's that a "real" superhero must be inhuman. The "real" superheroes of Watchmen are Rorschach, Ozymandias, and Dr. Manhattan. And all of them are removed from typical humanity in very fundamental ways. We're meant to see this as bad, as unnatural. The 'heroes' of Watchmen are Dan and Laurie, two flawed, troubled humans who are, nonetheless, human. They're the ones who survive and thrive in the end in the real world. All the "superhumans" either die or depart, since they're not fit for the normal world.

Is that really the sort of writer well-suited to writing Superman, or even Batman? I can't blame him for chafing under the prospect of it.

The only thing Alan Moore should write is a "WILL WORK FOR FOOD" sign!

DOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!

>>149376701 (OP)
>all his best stuff is very grim and gory, like From Hell and V For Vendetta

Those are crap though. His best stuff is his most traditional, like For the Man Who Has Everything, or Supreme, or the ABC books.

Why does this thread feel like a repeat? It's always the same misreadings of Moore that ignore the ass fucking DC gave him or his other works that show his appreciation of the genre. If you're focusing on capeshit then why not bring up the actual Superman and Batman stories he wrote for a start? Seems pretty obvious. These threads also always make the mistake of conflating an exasperated Alan Moore in 2025 being asked yet again about capeshit by an interviewer with Alan Moore in 1986 writing Watchmen. It's been 39 years. A lot has happened since then.

>>149376701 (OP)
>a misanthrope can or should write superheroes.
Why not. The question if he is a good writer, bitter sweet stories are alittle bit edgy or emo but can still be kino.

he read superhero books as a kid and has a vast knowledge of them. thats not a guy who hates them hes a guy who grew up and wrote them with a new lense

>>149377355
Because it’s considered “cool” by contrarians to hate Moore now

>>149377683
I honestly do wonder if Warner brothers dropped a couple thousand bucks somewhere to do some anti Moore astroturfing, but then I remember Americans are genuine dyed in the wool quislings who love the taste of corporate cock and will do it for free

>>149376701 (OP)
>a misantrope
Ad Hominem.

>>149376701 (OP)
I don't think Alan Moore is a misanthrope and your post gives me the impression that you've only read a fraction of his work and aren't qualified to initiate this discussion.

>>149377355
>the ass fucking DC gave him

I'll-take-shit-that-didn't-happen-for-$1000-Alex.jpg

>>149377736
>I honestly do wonder if Warner brothers dropped a couple thousand bucks somewhere to do some anti Moore astroturfing

Delusional. They're the ones who astroturfed his career in the first place to artificially build up his reputation and make money from his comics. The last thing they'd ever want to do is question the narrative that he's the greatest comic writer that ever lived.

>>149376701 (OP)
>thread #1949299492 complaining about Moore
>OP is a retard, again
I will say again how much I hate these dumb mongoloids keeps proving his pint.

Stan Lee is one of the most misanthropic comic book writers of all time and he revitalized superheroes in a big way in the 1960s. Moore's just a surly anarchist.

>>149377355
Because it is a good bait or opening statement for discussions?

>>149376701 (OP)
I agree 100% one of the reasons Jack Kirby was such a powerful force is he actually liked people and the human experience and people getting along was his ideal to strive toward. He wouldnt do deconstructions but he wasnt afraid of portraying evil via powerful villains, he didnt push any one ideology other than general humanistic virtues

>>149379029
Cause Jack Kirby had most of the dialogue and story worked out Stan just touched it up and most of his alterations made things worse albeit more commercially acceptable. I simply would say Kirby is more responsible for what youre saying here, he revitalized captain america and made like 80% of Silver Surfer.

>>149376701 (OP)
>Alan Moore is a misanthrope
Only saw the movie award!

>>149379538
>people dying horribly and senselessly is wholesome and positive actually!
Fat gay communist cultist award

>>149377736
>dumb tripfag loves geriatric commie grifter cock, hates Americans
Stereotypes continue to prove true

>>149376701 (OP)
Didn't this guy get cucked by his wife?

>>149379563
It’s a stranger trying to save another stranger’s life in the face of complete annihilation I’m sorry you’re too autistic to understand what a fat gay communist is trying to tell you through pictures

>>149379578
>no man it’s actually wholesome because they hugged before they were pointlessly annihilated by le bad superheroes
Gunt guarded a fat gay communist again award

>>149379578
I think the person you were responding to was noting that the plot centers around complete annihilation in the first place and the vague modest hope that justice will be restored via the free press. And you think we're too fucking stupid to understand people being shown hugging somehow makes it all ok.

>>149379591
That’s the point nigga even when all hope is lost people will still try to help each other

>>149379597
>the vague modest hope that justice will be restored via the free press.
The last line of the book is “I leave it all in your hands” there’s no incentive to believe that Ozy’s gonna get exposed

>>149379538
>Only saw the movie award
>Posts a scene that made it into the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kQImYo3Ww

>>149376701 (OP)
>I just don't think a misanthrope can or should write superheroes
I agree, we shouldn't let Zack Snyder do anything capeshit ever

>>149379516
Kirby plotted, but the dialogue was all Stan. Additionally while Kirby did draw the final issue of Silver Surfer, the entire series up to that point was drawn by Buscema, so he had nothing to do with its earlier misanthropy. Kirby's DC work was not misanthropic. Meanwhile Stan was full of it, whether he was working with Kirby, Ditko, Romita, Buscema, Heck, Colan, etc.

>>149379499
Than how do you explain Ditko?

>>149376701 (OP)
Power was an obivious choice for post lacanian frenchparlantes

>>149376701 (OP)
Alan Moore isn't misanthropic, he's a humanist. He doesn't ignore the darkness of human nature but still believe humans can do better. He just happen to have a rape fetish

>>149381437
This. He is just grumpy!

>>149376701 (OP)
He's not a misanthrope. Just British.
His are my favorite cape stories to date, because they have layers and other goodness.
>>149377215
From Hell and V for Vendetta are great. His best is Watchmen.
His best ABC book is the darkest, which is League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
>>149377355
It's complicated.
>>149381437
>He doesn't ignore the darkness of human nature
That's why the rape is in his comics. I think he attended too many feminist gatherings and heard boatloads of rape stories.

>>149376701 (OP)
>I just don't think
Yeah, we know.

>>149376769
Bro is set for life thanks to residuals, that joke doesn't make any sense

Today I will remind them.

>>149384414
Today you will remind them you are wrong. It's practically all incorrect.
You lost the entire argument when you brought up Polygon.

>>149384414
>Rorschach but Moore basically took the Shadow
lmao imagine being this blatantly wrong from the very beginning

>>149376701 (OP)
I miss him, but I wish cape comics had writers that vastly surpassed him. It was purported to be Morrison, but he's just a lesser Moore.

>>149376701 (OP)
>>149379538
STOP PRETENDING HE ONLY WROTE WATCHMEN

>>149386098
All comic writers are midwits at best, highbrow authors write books without pictures.

>>149377355
As much as I enjoy the Moon And Serpent Bumper Book Of Magic, the nigga is literally dying. The simulation has already signed off on him.

>>149386112
dude, what if Zack Snyder makes Alan Moore Miracleman movies?

>>149386502
Isn't Snyder done with Hollywood?

>>149382762
you have shit taste

>>149386098
you have slightly less shitty taste

>>149386215
you have even shittier taste

>>149388320
Fuck off, bot.

>>149376701 (OP)
Capeshitter mad that Moore (a certified capeshit lover) didn't fellate their genre or the retarded execs that run it for one second.
If you want real capeshit-hating Marshal Law and Brat Pack blow Watchmen out of the water in that department
>>149386112
D.R. & Quinch is kino (even if it's just O.C. and Stiggs)
>>149384414
>The Shadow
>Not Mr. A
Retard detected, ignoring the rest of the post

>>149378325
Golly, you sure are based anon! Want us to suck your dick too?

>>149376701 (OP)
It's funny that Neil gayman turned out to be the sex pest and not him

>>149377355
Fans of Watchmen have never read it. For the superhero fan, it is repugnant. For the superhero hater, it is unnecessary. For everyone else, it's a superhero comic.

>>149388466
>Mr. A

It's The Question, you absolute retard.

>>149378339
in the EIGHTIES?

for COMICS??

and you call ME delusional

>>149379576

I don't hate americans, I just wish you'd live up to your stereotypes more

>>149389367
It's both retard, Mr. A literally has a black and white morality.

>>149389367
It's The Question AND Mr. A.

>>149389206
couldn't have said it better.

>>149389206
>>149389862
It's pure nonsense.
I've read it several times and it's one of my favorites.

>>149378325
The loophole fuckery they pulled with Watchmen also happened with V for Vendetta, they're keeping the shit perpetually in print purely as a way of rights retention.

>>149389825
>>149389830
delusional

>>149389922
>implying this is some kind of scam

>>149389949
Ditko himself reportedly saw Rorschach as an insane version of Mr. A, this isn't exactly niche info. Not to mention Ditko wrote Mr. A as the Question but not restrained by the CCA. He's pretty much the Question but with his objectivist views on full display instead of muted.

>>149389955
I mean that's what loopholes are, aren't they? Corporate level scams? It's a shame that DC was so shortsighted, they should have allowed Moore and Gibbons to renegotiate in good faith with that Minutemen pitch when they still cared about it, instead they waited years later long after Moore stopped caring about Watchmen.

>>149389977
Don't respond to the bot. There's a bot here that just gainsays whatever you said or just insults you without elaborating.

So many Moore/Watchmen threads lately. I guess the spammer reached that part of his cycle.

>>149390176
Which cycle?

>>149389999
delusional

>>149390662
>>149390674
i hate how /co/ is a bunch of britbong writer fanboys and blindly likes all the dogshit they put out

>>149376701 (OP)
Alan Moore's not a misanthrope. He's just a guy who takes breakups extremely hard and won't get over them even after it's been decades. He's Bill Dauterive, and superheroes are his Lenore.

>>149390733
Britbong writers are better than burger writers. Even the bad ones are better than the good burgers!

>>149390733
It's not blind admiration. It's that Moore is better than most comic writers.

>>149390717
t.corporate welfare jew bootlicker