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Anonymous No.149390510 >>149390535 >>149390828 >>149391145 >>149391175 >>149391540 >>149392254 >>149392276 >>149392350 >>149396433 >>149397814 >>149399142 >>149399512
How different would our current industry be if these four shows never existed?
Regardless of what you think of these shows you can’t deny the fact that they’re basically the four horsemen of the apocalypse for western cartoons

>Flapjack, great show, but it was the starting point of the careers for many beanmouth artists in the industry. (the 'Flapjack Family Tree')
>Adventure Time, introduced simplistic artstyles to the industry, which would become the norm cause of how much cheaper they are to animate, also introduced the story-driven format which would cause toon critics to push any episodic shit like Uncle Grandpa to the side cause it wasn’t serialized loreshit.
>Steven Universe, fully semented in beanmouth as the norm, causing networks to still try to replicate the success of it to this day by forcing the beanmouth style onto any new IP. (Wylde Pak had much more unique designs in concept art, seems like the network forced them to become beanmouth)
>Ricky & Morty, caused storylines to become nothing but meta and cynical trash, also probably the reason why most adult cartoons have that cheap Family Guy-like artstyle so fuck em for that.

You can argue that the issue seems to be moreso how stagnant our current industry has become, these shows were all seen as fresh and new things when they first came out but now we’re all tired of it. So it’s time for alternate history discussion, what would our industry be like in a timeline without these shows?
Anonymous No.149390535 >>149390688 >>149390756
>>149390510 (OP)
Sym-Bionic Titan defines the 2010s
Anonymous No.149390688 >>149390756 >>149396239
>>149390535
So I’m guessing we’d get the whole wave of 2020’s comic/anime inspired cartoons earlier huh
truteal !!r6dgSKY2bVh No.149390714 >>149393325
>Robotomy and Secret Mountain Fort Awesome survive longer
>Total Drama gets more seasons due to the above two and Regular Show never becoming AT/SU-level hits
>Adult Swim continues like it did before Rick and Morty premiered
Anonymous No.149390756
>>149390535
>>149390688
This would be actually for the best for everyone.

Can you imagine if Ben 10 continued with no reboots?
Anonymous No.149390803 >>149390868
>without flapjack AT and SU would not exist, CN Real would go for longer and eventually the network would be just another nickelodeon with all of its live action shows because there's no big shows bringing in the views

>without AT , SU would not exist, Bravest Warriors would still exist and probably takes its place over it, but Rebecca would never have the connections to make SU

>without SU, we would only have more adventure time clones assuming AT gets done, a lot of spin offs too
Anonymous No.149390828
>>149390510 (OP)
We’d probably still get beanmouth one way or another, in the earliest works of Rebecca Sugar and Alex Hirsch you can see the artstyle beginning to develop. Though due to there being no Adventure Time or Steven Universe it probably wouldn’t be as widespread. We gotta keep in mind that Gumball, one of the most well-known beanmouth shows (yes, despite the mixed media gimmick most of Gumballs designs give off that beanmouth energy) wasn’t made by Flapjack alumni, though it’d probably look closer to how it did in the pilot.
Anonymous No.149390868 >>149391352
>>149390803
I think Adventure Time would still have existed even if Flapjack didn't. The original short was made because a Frederator executive saw one of Pen Ward's college films and told him to consider pitching something to Frederator around 2006 or 2007.
Anonymous No.149390936
I wonder what failed pilots would’ve been picked up in this alternate timeline
Anonymous No.149391145
>>149390510 (OP)
The world would be pretty different I'm sure..
Anonymous No.149391175 >>149391228 >>149391255 >>149391269
>>149390510 (OP)
MLP started it all, AT is overstated when it comes to influencing the pastel hordes....

It was too boy oriented, even if beta boy oriented, and its art and aesthetics were more hipster irony, in line with regular show and uncle grandpa. It's MLP g4 that truly ushered in pastel girly shows with rainbows and blah blah featuring the "OH WOW" combination of lighthearted SoL with "deepest lore and epic villains".

it also did it best, and toy shows were the best of the 2010s in general, 80s comeback ten years after 80s nostalgia
Anonymous No.149391228
>>149391175
There is nothing wrong with girly shows being being pastel and rainbows. They are for girls after all. The problem is when they leak into boys' shows.
Anonymous No.149391255
>>149391175
I wouldn’t say My Little Pony paved the way for the serialized shows that followed but it and Adventure Time definitely did influence cartoon reviewers opinions on shows, notice a pattern with well-known cartoon critics like SaberSpark, Mr. Enter, and PhantomStrider? They’re all bronies
Anonymous No.149391269
>>149391175
If mlp definitely absolutely made one thing popular, it was musicals. You cant tell me Sugar wasnt a "pegasister", no cartoons were musical before mlp for a long time unless it was an ironic gag making fun of musicals
Anonymous No.149391352
>>149390868
Unless Adventure Time was successfully pitched to Nickelodeon in this timeline and was fucked over by that network somehow
Anonymous No.149391540 >>149391576 >>149396299
>>149390510 (OP)
>beanmouth doesn't happen
>TTG style becomes the rule
Anonymous No.149391576 >>149391598 >>149391624 >>149392073
>>149391540
The TTG style seems like it would just be yet another continuation of this flat thickline UPA-like style

>Starts in the 90’s with UPA-inspired shows like 2 Stupid Dogs, Dexters Lab, and The PowerPuff Girls

>Continues throughout the 2000’s with shows like My Life as a Teenage Robot, Clone High, as well as rigged shows like Total Drama due to it being cheaper

>Teen Titans go sements yet another stylistic evolution of it to become the norm

3 decades of thickline everybody, fuck yeah!
Anonymous No.149391598 >>149393872
>>149391576
I like the thickline style
Anonymous No.149391624 >>149395956
>>149391576
Reminder that the guy who designed the Titans worked in Dexters Lab and PowerPuff Girls
Anonymous No.149392073
>>149391576
That would make cartoon critic nostalgiafags seethe so hard
Anonymous No.149392181 >>149392900
How come no one other than TTG is using the thickline style? Is it expensive or something?
Anonymous No.149392254 >>149392375
>>149390510 (OP)
Family guy killed adult animation before rick and morty was even thought of
Anonymous No.149392276 >>149392695
>>149390510 (OP)
They'd still be cheap trash that no one outside of autists care about.
Anonymous No.149392350
>>149390510 (OP)
>also probably the reason why most adult cartoons have that cheap Family Guy-like artstyle so fuck em for that.
>Family Guy-like art style
>Blames Rick and Morty instead of Family Guy
Anonymous No.149392375
>>149392254
Yeah but adult animated sitcoms before R&M at least looked distinctive, Sit Down Shut Up, Drawn Together, but then as soon as Bobs Burgers and Rick & Morty blew up in the early 2010’s adult cartoons being motion tweeted circle eyed small pupil cheap slop became the norm. Coincidence? I think not
Anonymous No.149392695
>>149392276
Shut up fag
Anonymous No.149392900
>>149392181
I guess beanmouth is more appealing according to corporate suits, the only thickline shows of this decade have been the Clone High and Total Drama revivals. I guess it’s more expensive in traditional animation because studios like rough draft Korea still animate on paper and scan their stuff in, drawing thicker outlines probably takes more money, which is funny because that style was so common because it was cheaper back in the 2000’s
Anonymous No.149393325 >>149393374 >>149397043
>>149390714
I wonder if Uncle Grandpa would be more popular in this timeline, seeing how people shat on it just because it was a goofy cartoon and not story-driven shit
Anonymous No.149393374 >>149393718
>>149393325
Gumball wasn't story-driven yet people like it. I think UG's problem was the the main character was "ugly".
Anonymous No.149393718 >>149394286
>>149393374
So natural cartoony looks are bad and ugly but Gumballs forced attempts at making memes aren’t, yep, sounds like average toon critics these days
Anonymous No.149393872 >>149394106
>>149391598
Funny how the Teen Titans had thicker lines than the 2016 Powerpuff Girls

Artstyle downgrade, pedophilic themes, 2016 culture war shit, what a fucking shitshow of a reboot that was god, say what you want about Teen Titans Go but at least it didn’t do any of that shit
Anonymous No.149394106
>>149393872
Still would’ve been nothing compared to the utter garbage that was the cancelled CW adaptation
Anonymous No.149394286 >>149394436
>>149393718
The memes faces were a later addition. The show started with a cute and cartoony style (S1) then changed into a stiffer, a bit less expressive yet still good looking style (S2) and then changed again into an even less expressive style that didn't use forces faces (S3). It was the four season the one that started this trend and now the writers and the animators of the show think this shit is an essential part of the show. Damn, the new opening starts with a giant meme face.
Anonymous No.149394436 >>149394766
>>149394286
Season one did expressive animation correctly, people need to learn that there’s a difference between naturally expressive animation and meme faces. I find it funny how the term "meme faces" was coined by retard LS Mark when criticizing modern SpongeBob rather than criticizing something that actually does it like Gumball.
Anonymous No.149394766 >>149394835 >>149395438
>>149394436
You know what is funny? The current animators say the old style limited the expressiveness of the characters and that the post season 2 style with circular eyes and tiny circular eyes let them draw better expressions. It's insane.
Anonymous No.149394835
>>149394766
>and tiny circular eyes
Tiny circular PUPILS. I hate phoneposting.
Anonymous No.149395438
>>149394766
Modern Gumballs expressions would look better if they made the full body or head emote rather than just the faces. The stiff rigged artstyle makes it look like the faces are just pasted on which kills the point of having expressive animation
Anonymous No.149395956
>>149391624
Unfortunately Teen Titans Go has the issue where the UPA revival style is only used just so the show could use rigged animation without looking like pure shit, the animation looks pretty cheap.

At least it’s more expressive than Total Drama though…
Anonymous No.149396239 >>149396297
>>149390688
Kinda but a huge amount of that is a combination of desperately trying to refloat the industry and relegitimize it after bauhaus faggotry like OP's line up devastated it, along with Japan/Korean studios being some of the only ones that still know how to animate semi-coherent action shows so you get shit like Studio MIR animating half of everything or being some of the only active, easily accessed studios to go to with institutional knowledge on how to animate or storyboard well for westerners that isn't just more Bauhaus faggotry these days so even when it's not them it looks like them.

Another part of it is indies or "built from ground up" corporate studios having to basically reinvent swathes of basic skills for it themselves and anime is, again, one of the only still active references they have for anything more intensive or higher effort than "If its recognizable, it's on model" shit like Steven universe.
Anonymous No.149396297 >>149396372 >>149396443
>>149396239
>bauhaus faggotry
Kys retard
Anonymous No.149396299 >>149396331 >>149396553
>>149391540
TTG is unironically still beanmouth in the same way that Sailor Moon and DBZ still share a lot of foundational design philosophy, they just differ enough to be visibly different at a glance. The underlying aesthetic identity and design philosophy is still Bauhaus, it just borrows a tiny bit more from americanized Chibi and CN's own general harder angle, thick line look they had during their heyday. But the fundamentals and principles are all still very much the same.
Anonymous No.149396331 >>149396443
>>149396299
Shut up fag
Anonymous No.149396372 >>149396381
>>149396297
>Anon is mad someone used the actual term for where this aesthetic design school actually comes from.
Go back to cradling your copy of marx or some shit, fag.
Anonymous No.149396381 >>149396443 >>149396445 >>149396491
>>149396372
Bauhas doens't have anything to with this, faggot-kun
Anonymous No.149396433 >>149396506 >>149396790
>>149390510 (OP)
>Our current industry
What industry? And half of those Flapjack beanmouth artists actually got their start on Camp Lazlo
Anonymous No.149396443 >>149396466
>>149396297
>>149396331
>>149396381

>Seething this hard because you're retarded.
It can't be easy being an uneducated faggot, but you probably deserve it for being this much of a worthless bitch.
Anonymous No.149396445 >>149396641
>>149396381
It's where the underlying design principles of the beanmouth slop you're randomly coming to bat for comes from, pretty obviously to anyone who's ever even opened a book of art theory or looked into how various schools of aesthetic design work and look when applied to differing mediums at that,
Anonymous No.149396466 >>149396716
>>149396443
Cope
Anonymous No.149396491 >>149396641 >>149396709 >>149396777
>>149396381
Is this some kind of namefag? I’ve seen Adventure Time referred to as "Bauhaus style" on this board before but I just don’t see it, I hate beanmouth but if I’d associate any artstyle with Bauhaus it’d be thickline UPA stuff. Fuck it let’s call him Bauhausfag
Anonymous No.149396506
>>149396433
The animation industry, what else would it be, retard
Anonymous No.149396553
>>149396299
You are fucking stupid
Anonymous No.149396641
>>149396445
>>149396491
Read
Anonymous No.149396709
>>149396491
>anon doesn't understand the concept of design principles or theory, only looks at surface level details because he's retarded.
Sad.
Anonymous No.149396716 >>149396747
>>149396466
Seethe harder.
Anonymous No.149396747
>>149396716
That's what you are doing
Anonymous No.149396777 >>149396800 >>149397383
>>149396491
Animation artists famously don’t finish school or read but remember the Art History I slide that said all modern 2D design principles are descended from the Bauhaus
Anonymous No.149396790 >>149396823 >>149396931 >>149399234 >>149401345
>>149396433
Technically, you have 2 Stupid Dogs to thank for starting the big family tree, and Donovan Cook, you can see it diverge into the Dexters Lab Family Tree and Flapjack Family Tree

Fuck the Flapjack tree, why couldn’t we have something awesome like the Ren & Stimpy family tree or the SpongeBob family tree? I hate how shows made by SpongeBob alumni like Billy Dilly and MiddleMost Post go under the radar because they aren’t loreshit. The one show I can think of made by R&S alumni is Cow & Chicken.
Anonymous No.149396800 >>149396969
>>149396777
This but unironically.
Anonymous No.149396823 >>149396954 >>149396997
>>149396790
>Fuck the retard boogerhumor slop family tree why couldn't we have had the retard faghumor slop family tree or the plain retard humor slop family tree.
Come on now.
Anonymous No.149396931
>>149396790
Every cartoon has a family tree, ever hear of the South Park family tree? For as different as that shows production is compared to other cartoons it surprisingly gave us:

>Amy Winfrey, creator of Making Fiends
>Vernon Chatman, creator of Xavier Renegade Angel, Wonder Showzen, and The Shivering Truth
and *sigh*
>Natasha Kline, creator of Primos, I’m not fucking joking
Anonymous No.149396954 >>149397013
>>149396823
Talk like a human
Anonymous No.149396969
>>149396800
Unironically retarded
Anonymous No.149396997 >>149397013
>>149396823
Anonymous No.149397013 >>149397071 >>149397073
>>149396954
>>149396997
I was attempting to communicate on your level, but if you insist.
>I wish instead of the godawful low quality garbage catering to actual retards with zero ambition or effort, we instead had gotten one of two other flavors of that exact same fucking thing, just maybe either a little more blatantly gay, or alternatively just doubling up on the "It's funny because they're retarded" instead.
Does that make it clear, assuming you can actually read english, I mean.
truteal !!r6dgSKY2bVh No.149397043
>>149393325
It might not have existed if Secret Mountain Fort Awesome is popular enough
Anonymous No.149397071
>>149397013
I assume you are gay
Anonymous No.149397073
>>149397013
Faggot, imagine hating cartoons in general on a board about cartoons, shit on beanmouth all you want but Spumco is based AF
Anonymous No.149397383
>>149396777
Even the worst beanmouth artists go to art school, why else do you think the term "Calarts Style" was used a lot?
Anonymous No.149397814 >>149399662
>>149390510 (OP)
Those were the only shows that survived, so the industry might be a shadow of itself.
Anonymous No.149399142
>>149390510 (OP)
How different you say?
Anonymous No.149399234 >>149399260 >>149399316
>>149396790
What kind of pretentious faggot names his kid "Pendleton"?
Anonymous No.149399260
>>149399234
It's a cool name, retard
Anonymous No.149399316
>>149399234
His parents were Jojo fans
Anonymous No.149399512 >>149399669
>>149390510 (OP)
May Allah forgive me for ever being a fan of SU, looking back there was so much blatant sex shit/political pandering
tried to get a friend into it and the newest episode was the one where steven crossdressed for that play... yeah couldnt blame them for not being interested after that
Anonymous No.149399662
>>149397814
Except for Flapjack, AT and SU are coming back because this decade in animation must always milk the shit out of pre-existing IPs rather than support original shit, and Rick & Morty has now joined the "adult animated shows that will never end" club with Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad.
Anonymous No.149399669
>>149399512
Shut up turd worldler
Anonymous No.149400728 >>149401345
When did it become "hip" to hate 2 Stupid Dogs?
Anonymous No.149401345
>>149400728
The moment people began to only know about it from >>149396790