Transformers: The Movie (1986)

Talk about dull, Danno

Dinobots, destroy Devestator!

>Soundwave superior; Constructicons inferior

>>149395413

Oh how it pains me to do this

YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH
YOU'VE GOT THE POWER

>>149397279
TRANSFORMEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
MORE THAN MEEEETS THE EEEEEEEEYE
TRANSFORMEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
ROBOTS IN DISGUIIIIIIIISE
TRANSFORMEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
AUTOBOTS WAGE THEIR
BATTLE TO
DESTROY THE EVIL
FORCES OOOOOOOF
THE DECEPTICOOOOOONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVcpfncOWs

Autobots are always more dull than Decepticons, so they were never the draw of the series to me

That being said, I don't get why some people hate the 86 cast so much. Yeah, childhood nostalgia and bias is one thing, but on an objective level people tend to say they're lesser characters but idk if I agree with that......

Like who even are the "main cast" prior? TF switched out characters too much for any of them to get much development. Wheeljack? Prowl? Ratchet? etc etc Just kinda typical characters based on cliches, just like the 86 Autobots. Only ones besides Prime I can say ever really felt that noteworthy to me were Iron Hide and Bumblebee

>>149397928
The G1 Autobots are basically Optimus, Bumblebee, Ironhide, and then Some Guys. I guess Jazz, too? As far as characters who were memorable and got memorable onscreen moments.

>>149394900

>>149397967
Hound, Mirage, Chuffpumper, the Dinobots

>>149397928
Which Hot Rod is that? It's not masterpiece of power of primes.

>>149398384
Studio Series

I am not Hot Rod's biggest fan, but I thing IDW butchered the poor guy.

>>149397365
DARE
DARE TO BELIEVE YOU CAN SURVIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjNVVmLCGQ

Who the fuck names an autobot Reacharound?

>>149397928
> TF switched out characters too much for any of them to get much development.
The charm is that the little they get is great if the episode they get is. Beachcomber and Brawn are two of my favorites because they were the mains in two of my favorite episodes.

The problem with the season 3 cast is that, despite it being more focused and standard, it didn't just get that many good episodes.
People are correct in hating Rodimus primer because they didn't even attempt at making him likable.

>>149397928
>not liking Automommy

>>149397928
Idk, my "starting autobot dream team" for a hypothetical show was always a mixup of the older cast and 86
>Optimus Prime, the Optimus Prime
>Bumblebee, the nice guy/human relations
>Trailbreaker, given Ironhide's personality as the rough tough guy, because sorry Ironhide but we don't need more red guys
>Prowl, the serious stick in the mud
>Hot Rod, the teen coded guy/hothead
>Springer, the battle expert
>Arcee, the hot mommy

Hot Rod is here to be Cheetor, aka mostly annoying. He condescends to Bumblebee who he sees as a little brother, he undermines Primes authority, he competes with Springer for Arcee's affection, and he fights with Prowl over idealogical differences

>>149397365
>>149399299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqoX7Dbpf4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_u7u6qZicg

Cyberverse Arcee was prime hot

man this cat faced lookin ass motherfucker
i really want to race him

>>149399868
she was good in war for cybertron too

speaking of the 86 team, how is it that Blurr never gets a major role in anything? you'd think having superspeed would be a pretty useful ability, especially when most other characters don't have any unique abilities like that. despite that, he's usually just a side-character like in the current Skybound comics or in Animated

>>149401158
Transformers unfortunately usually forgets/ditches the individual powers thing of Gen1, when's the last time you saw Skywarp teleport? Hell when's the last time you saw Skywarp not just be a BG character anyway

>>149394893 (OP)
Absolute kinema

>>149401427
Skybound

>>149401158
Speaking of the 86 cast, is Springer like the only one that hasn't appeared outside of comics and S3-4. I genuinely don't remember him showing up in any other cartoon compared to the rest of the cast who have shown up at least once in other cartoons

>Want to start Transformers franchise, really get into it
>Okay, well I can watch The Transformers, Beast Wars, Beast Machines...
>Oh wait Robots in Disguise is anime, and even with the carried over voices from previous Transformers series, it's meant to be watched in Japanese
>Actually there are a significant number of Transformers anime before this released only in Japan, and their continuity matters
>And there's Beast Wars II and Beast Wars NEO
>Nobody can agree on what the fuck is going on with Armada, Energon, and Cybertron
>Oh fuck I have to watch everything in English and Japanese
>Wait what about the comics
>Wait what about the manga
>Wait what about the toy bios
>Wait what about the conventions and interviews
>Ah fuck it

>>149397967
If you actually watched the show, you'd mention Wheeljack and THE MOTHERFUCKING DINOBOTS.

>>149403277
just stay away from the wiki

>>149403277
>and their continuity matters
Transformer continuity is mushier than Super Sentai continuity

>>149403277
Transformer the Movie is a good starting spot because 99% of Transformers lore spins out from it.

>>149403277
just start with G1
>season 1 and 2
>movie
>season 3
>rebirth if you're interested otherwise.........
>headmasters
>super god masterforce
>victory

>>149403277
They're all different continuity

If you want to be on par with the average fan, G1, G1 movie, beast wars, animated, prime, and some Bayformers just for reference are all you really need as a basis, everything else is more niche, irrelevant to most discussions, or generational

>>149403367
This. But beware, once the action starts it doesn't take a break. Only a couple of breaks occur, so just know what you're getting into. It's good if you like the battles.

>>149403277
consider the aligned continuity
>WFC and FOC
>novels
>Prime
>RID2015
>Rescue Bots and Rescue Bots Academy

>>149397928
The season 3 main group is more fun aside from Wheelie. Would to see a group based on it, with Cheetor and Hot Shot added to see Rodimus interact with characters of the archetype he used to belong.

>>149401158
Armada Blurr is prominent and has a miniarc about overcoling his racism, but he is extremely different from G1 anyway.
He has a cooler design though.

>>149403902
I want a see a story with Hot Rod, Bumblebee and Hot Shot all together like Huey, Dewey, and Louis

>>149403909
Actually, I envisioned Hot Shot as a genderswapped tomboy to avoid redundancy. She would have a rivalry with Cheetor (who in my cont is a triplechanger who has a sport car and a cheetah alt modes) and Rodimus ironically takes the role of their wranglers.

>>149403277

>>149404034
>an idw fans idea of a starter pack
Nah go with this >>149403614
It's the non woke/tumblr version

>>149403739
the games, novels, and tv shows occupy three different universes. They aren't one single universe.

Pretenders are cool. They should ditch the disguise part and just focus on the Guyver like biomechanical aspect.

>>149404051
buddy I think you have significant reading comprehension issues

>>149404051
literally only one thing in that list is from IDW and it's widely considered to be one of the best transformers comics of all time
not to mention, nothing on that list is "woke" or "tumblr".
what the actual fuck are schizoing out about

>>149403277
just watch g1 multipart episodes, the movie and beast wars. you will know if you want more

>>149404081
>widely considered to be one of the best transformers comics of all time
Only by IDW fans, G1 and Dreamwave are better

>>149404104
>Dreamwave

ah I see, the problem is you were blind from birth

>>149404517
Dreamwave gave us The Fallen
IDW gave us Soi Thundercracker, Tranny Arcee, Gay Blastoff, and a bunch of shitty anime aesthetics that don't fit with the toys

>>149394893 (OP)
PURE kino.

>>149403277
Watch G1 cartoon S1 and S2 until you get bored, then watch the movie. Then watch S3 until you get bored. If you end up craving more G1 then pick up Skybound's TF comic series that's currently ongoing. If you want something different then watch Beast Wars. If you can't get pass the PS1 CGI or if you're a trukk not munky then watch Animated instead. If you want Bayformers but good watch Prime. Everything else you can watch later if you still want to get balls deep into the franchise.

>>149404570
>If you want Bayformers but good watch Prime.
I mean it was only mildly influenced by it, and 90 percent of that was just Bumblebee's story and design lol

>>149401427
>Hell when's the last time you saw Skywarp not just be a BG character anyway
IDW2? He was a very different character there though. Also very early Energon Universe, like the first two or three issues.

Skywarp used to be the second most popular Seeker, largely on cool powers and color scheme, and the cartoon managing to give him more of a defined personality early on than Thundercracker or the coneheads got. IDW1 pushed Thundercracker really hard and elevated him to being the 2nd most popular Seeker, but somehow that's led to Skywarp being either neglected or horribly abused ever since, like only one can get handled well at a time.

>>149404570
I feel like I'm gonna get my shit pushed in, but I think ONE is a good starting point. I genuinely enjoyed that movie enough to get me interested in Transformers and I'm watching G1 right now. I only saw the first two Bayformers movies before that and I didn't care for them.

>>149404527
the Fallen is just an update of Hook, Line and Sinker

>>149404639
ONE isn't a terrible movie, it's just a kids' movie that exists in a space a lot of pushy, wealthy adults who spend a lot on the franchise also want to inhabit

>>149404639
TF One is only representative of IDW and Earthspark though, its nothing like everything else in this fuckhuge franchise

>>149404660
I suppose that's fair, I just wish Transformers as a brand could get away from the ideas of Optimus and Megatron being friends before the war, pre-war Cybertron being awful and oppressive, and Megatron being a well-intentioned freedom fighter who just goes too far. A lot of it just seems like trying to turn Transformers into recycled X-Men stories.

>>149398286
I always liked how they kidnapped this kid from his own planet to be hunted across the galaxy with them.

>>149404670
I haven't read a single IDW issue and I don't even know what Earthspark is but I think you're tripping, the G1 cartoon is as kiddy and as silly as ONE.

>>149404691
It's not about how kiddy it is, it's about the themes. All three of those things turn Megatron into Magneto and Transformers into a series about like minority oppression, which is just weird and like >>149404671 says, nothing else is like that

A reminder if you are going to watch Armada, for the love of god watch the original dub. It is a completely different show.

>>149404551
>good guys are weak and go down in a few shots
>they hit no one
WTF that was a little much. fuck you megatron fuck you in your gunhole

I wouldn’t give a shit about Transformers if not for the Michael Bay movies. Just putting this out there.

>>149404690
why don't you take a seat over here

>>149404784
True, it would be a sad and forgotten franchise without the Hollywood movies.

>>149395413
>JOBastator

>>149404784
>>149404903
That's good for you. I don't hate Bayformers, they're fun on the same level Armageddon and Independance Day are fun, but it's not Transformers that 80s or 90s kids grew up with, so respect our shit since you're treading on our turf.

Also, it's true Bayformers brought the franchise TONS of cash and also ushered in a new gold era for Hasbro because of it like MLP G4, another goldmine for a while, Transformers was also....fine without it. It was at the level it is now, the eternal toy still surviving on shelves because the concept is cool. Anime era TF wasn't ideal nor beloved by most of the fandom but it DID just fine, the brand wasn't dying, it was just existing to kids and diehards.

>>149403909
funnily enough Danny Pudi and Ben Schwartz both have been Bumblebee voices

>>149399287
IDW Rodimus post-AHM was fucking insufferable. I don't know how he was so popular beyond robo-fujoshis

>>149399455
I think that Pointlesshub guy did a good analysis of Rodimus in his video on the 86 movie

>>149404714
Micron Legend is so much more enjoyable than Armada but it's still like a 6/10 until the last third with Unicron

>>149404714
>for the love of god watch the original dub
I watched the sub

>>149406337
That's what anon meant

>>149399340
or erector?

>>149397928
Growing up is realizing that not a single character from an American children's cartoon in the 80s was good or well-written, so who fucking cares? You're arguing about toy commercials, you dolts.

>>149404527
I can understand trooned out arcee and the creepy blastoff/onslaught ship but Thundercracker's characterization is directly based off his original g1 bio. and the "anime" aesthetics has been engraved in the franchise since day one. The characters are all based on anime mechs.

>>149401158
>you'd think having superspeed would be a pretty useful ability
that's the problem superspeed is too OP

>>149406457
Yeah,70s super robots not eva style mechs,they stop looking like robots and begin to look and feel like humans with steel skin.
Thundercracker was far too tumblry.

>>149404690
In the Marvel comics Sky Lynx accidentally got himself and like three or four kids abducted by a space circus and Optimus Prime and Goldbug (Bumblebee with a makeover) had to go rescue them.

>>149406457
>but Thundercracker's characterization is directly based off his original g1 bio.
Thundercracker being a Decepticon who has doubts about the cause was part of his bio that nobody had really done anything with before, but there's so much you could do with that without speedrunning straight to 'Thundercracker leaves the Decepticons'.

If anon wants to complain about Thundercracker becoming an ally of the Autobots, getting a dog and trying to write movies, he's welcome to dislike all of that, none of that comes from the original bio.

>>149406568
This was shortly after Optimus came back to life and had to duel Grimlock to regain leadership of the Autobots.

>>149406574
IDW Arcee and Blast Off were ALSO based of their original G1/Marvel bios. Arcee is described as a fierce, fearsome warrior and Blast Off as a lonely guy. They obviously took more liberties with other aspects of the characters but people bitching about those specific aspects of the characters are dumbasses.

>>149404696
that's because IDW went into full pander mode.

>>149404696
>and Transformers into a series about like minority oppression, which is just weird
Transformers being an oppressed slave race is LITERALLY their 80's cartoon origin story

>>149406653
Anon, if you read those bios and you honestly think that "psychotic murderous troon" and "gay robot" are reasonable, tolerable, acceptable extrapolations rather than insane bastardizations of them, please seek help.

>>149406656
IDW didn't sell as well as traditional Transformers did and is over, there's no reason for any of this to keep happening in other adaptations.

>>149397928
>Kup is my favourite because I like grumpy old men
>Kup is also the least popular
Dang.

>>149406698
Anon
it's fun when things are different for a while
we wouldn't have gotten beast wars if things were the always the same
also arcee was only psychotic for like, 5 issues

>>149406679
It's an origin that's so ancient that 99.9% of them don't even remember it happened, and don't even know or recognize the race that once enslaved them. It's backstory, but it doesn't make G1 Transformers cartoons ABOUT oppression and slavery and minorities the way we're seeing modern attempts at turning Transformers into off-brand X-Men, and at a time when the actual X-Men are firmly in decline. Transformers should be more like Transformers.

>>149406726
Transformers has literally always been off-brand X-Men. Everyone in the original cast had a special personal superpower.

>>149406741
Well the more correct answer would Star Wars considering it derived more from Mobile Suit Gundam and that was heavily based on Star Wars and WWII.

>>149406741
Shifting the goalpost

>>149406722
He was psychotic transvestite for whole run and then lesbian.

>>149406741
>>149406748
Hell even G1 using Star Wars sound effects due to Marvel having both the licenses for Transformers and Star Wars to make comics at the time.

>>149406699
Kup's more popular than Blurr or Wheelie, surely?

>>149406722
>it's fun when things are different for a while
Not when you're turning characters into gays or troons. That's the kind of thing that can ruin a character forever.

>>149406768
>That's the kind of thing that can ruin a character forever.
Except that didn't even happen with the examples you're crying about so... keep crying I guess? You're weird, dude.

>>149406741
Superpowers didn't originate with X-Men, anon. Characters having powers doesn't make Transformers specifically like X-Men over any other superhero property.

>>149406790
>just shut up and let me ruin things
>it might not be forever
>you're weird if you don't just shut up and accept it
Why are you like this? Why are you so passionately defending things that so obviously should never have been allowed in the first place?

>people are bitching that modern comics depict Megatron as a oppressed victim before the war, and that things like the Marvel and Dreamwave comics are better.
>when Megatron being an oppressed victim before the war originated from the Marvel comics, and was reused in the Dreamwave comics
what the FUCK are you idiots arguing about

More like Megatroon, amirite?

>>149406859
Silence TRANScream.

>>149406821
Hes american so circumcised and evil

>>149406874
nope

>>149406880
So Indian it is

>>149406871
That's Starskween to you

>>149406902
nope

>>149406908
YAS

>>149406768
>than Blurr or Wheelie
Blurr gets toys semi-regularly and he was in Animated.
>Wheelie
I don't know what the fuck Wheelie is. Wasn't he another species of robot alien like those things that transform into piranha shark gators?

>>149406971
Wheelie was the orange robot that encountered Grimlock and spoke in rhymes.

>>149394893 (OP)
I only saw it once on a Greyhound bus.

>>149406925
Thats what a jeet would say

>>149406908
Silence starsqueer

>>149406768
Blurr, Ultra Magnus, and Arcee are like...the only Autobots that have appeared in cartoons without the rest of the '86 cast being involved.
>Rodimus
only thing I can recall Rodimus being in outside G1 and comics is a small appearance in Animated (note that the three mentioned above were ALSO in Animated but weren't just cameos and had a role in the story)
>Wheelie
was in the movies for a bit
>Springer
hasn't really shown up in anything
>Kup
also has nothing

meanwhile, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, and Arcee manage to make appearances in cartoons without needing the rest of the '86 group. Blurr has a cool gimmick, both in his superspeed and fast speaking quirk. Ultra Magnus is a good commander type, a general that's not Optimus Prime. and Arcee.....well, Arcee just gets the push because she's the most popular fembot. but imo, those three are the actual most popular characters from the '86 group (maaaaaybe switch Blurr with Rodimus, even if Rodimus doesn't get pushed that often, he's still pretty popular 'cuz of stuff like IDW. Blurr's still one of the more popular ones though imo)

>>149403277 here
Not gonna mass reply, but I've seen Beast Wars, the original movie, Beast Machines, some of the Bay movies, One, some of the dubbed anime, and some of G1. I'm just complaining that if I want to do everything properly, it's a lot of effort because Hasbro-formers and Takara-formers are essentially two different schools that occasionally adapt the same shows.

Weird idea, but what if Prime and Bayverse's Megatron's swapped elites (Starscream, Soundwave, Knock Out and Breakdown for... Starscream, Blackout, Barricade and Brawl)?For Bayverse, use the DS game's characterization because it's there and because Barricade's voiced by fucking Keith David

>>149407811
Rodimus would be there if they what to do with him.
One of energon trilogy had him as a jet boosted truck who was leading splinter of autobots.
Otherwise they are afraid to prime him or make him a retard (idw) competent silent type (animated and iirc the energon one)

>>149408691
*Knew what to with
Otherwise bumblebee or hot shot

>>149394893 (OP)
"Dare" started playing in my head the second I saw this. I may lose every single fact in my head to dementia someday, but I will bet you a thousand dollars that if you show me this scene, that is what you will get out of me.

>>149407811
>>Kup
>also has nothing

*ahem* i will not stand for Cyberverse Kup erasure, especially when they had him homage Patton.

>>149406847
Megatron is supposed to be a tyrant not a victim, he's not "turned evil", he just is power hungry as a core personality trait

>>149409990
He was always a victim, even without the comics.

Hot Shot is best Transformer.

>>149409990
The "Megatron being oppressed" and "Megatron was just created evil" origin stories were both released in the same month: September 1986. You aren't winning this argument, my guy.

>>149410623
The next move will be to say the Megatron gladiator story was super obscure and no one cared ( even though it became double down on as soon as we started getting new G1 fiction)

>>149409995
Megatron was raped in steely summer of -9999999991992

>>149409627
He could use an arc or a new diffrent toy.
Make a toy of rebuilt kup that looks like sherman tank with an eyepatch like the 1st draft of 86 movie.
Lots of cool untapped stuff there.

Megatron can be a natural power-hungry tyrannical asshole only interested in his own glory in some continuities, and he can be a rebellious violent revolutionary who aims to mercilessly crush a corrupt hierarchy. Because there are multiple continuities and universes and writers, there is no definitive Megatron. Most of the time, I can't imagine something like Optimus and Megatron setting everything aside and shaking hands, because I can't imagine Megatron wanting peace. I think he wants submission and to be worshipped as a god. Generally speaking, he doesn't care about a single being other than himself outside of how useful they can be in the moment. He is entirely self-serving with no sense of honor, he'll kill noncombatants without a second though.

But sometimes Megatron is a warrior who sees Optimus as a worthy rival, someone he longs to clash with, someone who makes him feel alive.
Sometimes Megatron is upset at the injustices of the world, and his anger and pain lead him to rise up to never be hurt again.
Sometimes Megatron is fighting because he sees Decepticons as an oppressed class.

>>149411347
The thing is, even G1 Megatron and those directly inspired by him as being more cold and heartless, you can take an undertone away from

That he views his way as right, that being cold and dominant is the only way to ensure your own survival, even if he is inherently selfish in his desire to be the one ruling, it's still another side to it that makes it interesting

You don't need to pull the subtlety or nuance away from that by LITERALLY making him right because he's actually fighting worse guys or blah blah

>>149410623
Megatron in both the G1 show and comics, initially is fighting against people above him

The difference between that and modern ones, is that he's painted as "the next bad guy tearing down the old ones", not a guy you're supposed to ever see as being "the good guy", the kind of people who like modern media that always leans into racial/lgbt shit like this lazier morality, because their entire worldview is based around thinking morals are black and white, and they always only want to like characters who have no moral blemishes, it's childish and lazy brained (yes im talking about the average self procclaimed leftist)

>>149411542

>>149411543
fucking Springer, if he'd shot Megatron with that thing the fight would have been over

>>149409995
Not in the original cartoon.

>>149412183
Not quite due to the whole Quintesson retcon bullshit. Making them servants from their very conception.

Zoomers are born closer to the Micheal Bay movie than the 1986 animated movie. sad!

>>149412213
anon, that scene is FROM the quintesson origin explanation

>>149412183
what happened with the other two constructicons?

>>149412233
That I am well aware of, but doesn't that make him a victim from his birth? Like every other iteration? Not having free will of his own and being a servant to a higher being that keeps him oppressed?

>>149412235
they say one was Hauler and the other Gravedigger.

>>149412235
>On top of that, there's eight Constructicons! None of them are really on-model; three appear to be entirely made up. Many years later, Japanese continuity would retroactively assign the identities of Hauler and Gravedigger to the two extra members of the group, while Fun Publications' "Wings Universe" would present all eight as being new, unnamed characters who belonged to the same pre-Decepticon faction as the main six.

Gravedigger himself is a character born of errors:

>"Gravedigger" came about by accident. The name was a preliminary one for the Constructicon Scrapper, as indicated by both the original The Transformers cartoon series bible and the shooting script for the episode "Heavy Metal War" (which includes the line "Gravedigger, I'm picking up computer signals from above!"). "Dinobots Strike Back" writer Casey Todd was evidently working from that outdated guideline when he wrote the book; most instances of the name were switched to "Scrapper" for the finished product, but one errant use of "Gravedigger" remained. Artist William Schmidt compounded the error by drawing Long Haul instead of Scrapper into the illustration for this scene, which led to fans—at the time unaware of the origin of the "Gravedigger" name—having a bit of fun with it and imagining that Gravedigger was a unique character.
>Nearly three decades later, writer Andrew Hall properly canonized the idea of Gravedigger as his own character in the United EX toyline, opting to assign his identity to the Buildmaster toy. With this addition of an eighth named Construction to the Japanese cartoon continuity, an identity was at last provided for the long-mysterious "eighth Constructicon" who appeared with the others in a dodgily-animated scene in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4" (the seventh having been retroactively designated as Hauler in 2003).

>>149412249
he was built by deceptions long after the quintessons were driven away.

and War Dawn shows that he was quite capable of living a peaceful life but chose to stir shit up again. He was never a victim in the old cartoon.

>>149412308
Ah I see, yeah I concede. Thank you.

>>149410685
>The next move will be to say the Megatron gladiator story was super obscure and no one cared
In the 1980s this was absolutely true thoughever. It was a prose story from a British Transformers annual. It had no influence on the cartoon or the US comics at all, and it's unlikely any of the writers for them even knew about it at the time.

The one writer who would have been aware of it was Furman, who'd written a comic story for the previous year's annual which depicted Optimus and Megatron meeting for the first time after the war had already started. The Megatron gladiator story contradicted that by having them know each other before the war, and Furman never referenced the gladiator story at all during Marvel G1 or G2.

>( even though it became double down on as soon as we started getting new G1 fiction)
That's the result of the early online Transformers fandom having a large contingent of British fans sharing lore from comics stories that hadn't been reprinted elsewhere yet, both the big popular stories like Target 2006 and Legacy of Unicron, and relatively obscure stories from the annuals as well. During the ten years with no new G1 fiction, people who were immersed in the online fandom would have had some level of awareness of characters and plot points from the British comics that they'd never even seen for themselves at the time. We're talking about a bunch of adult Transformers fans in the days when G1 was a dead brand, clinging desperately onto the thing they loved and for better or worse, stories that could be used to make Transformers seem more 'deep' or 'mature' would be exactly the kind of things they'd latch on to, things that would help justify them still being so into what they loved as kids, so no matter how minor or obscure they actually were in the 80s, the fandom focusing on them would lead to the new G1 fiction in the 2000s recycling it.

>>149412443
To follow on from this, we now live in a time where IDW released trades reprinting all of the UK Transformers stories, and some of them have several other reprints as well, and you can just read scans of them all online on various sites, or download them all. It might seem inconceivable to people now that there was ever a time when you might hear about these comics online but not be able to read them for yourself, or that there was even a time before that, where there'd be no internet access for most people, and you wouldn't even know these comics existed unless you were British. Instead, you can just assume the entire Transformers fandom had read 'State Games' in 1986 and Megatron being a gladiator keeps coming up in later versions of G1 because this was a huge story everyone knew about immediately, which just isn't true.

>>149397928
>Autobots designed to be a supportive family
>Optimus Prime is Big Daddy
>Decepticons designed to be a dysfunctional family
>Megatron is Bad Daddy
Rough home life, anon?

>>149412566
I just like their characters more cause I like villains and alt modes more cause I don't care much about cars and I like their usual color schemes more too

Also I agree with true Megatrons, self preservation is the only purpose of existence and if you need to eliminate others to achieve it, you should if you can. Rights are social constructs and sentience is fleeting

>>149409627

>>149412786
Kupbros.... what are they going to do to us?

>>149413170
Never knew Kup was such an Autobotlet. He might break both legs if Skywarp drops him from that height.

>>149413170
They are going to kupcheck us...

what did he mean with that

Can someone explain Megatron's "side" in Beast Machines? Out of nowhere, he becomes anti-organic, he despises his beast mode (a dragon form he couldn't stop praising when it was introduced). Now he's just Naraku trying to get rid of his "impure" self. Why? Why did Rhinox agree that a purely technological Cybertron was the correct choice? Their beast modes were just ways to cloak themselves from energon exposure, I never got the impression that they could never change themselves back to pure machine. Optimus trying to make Cybertron purely organic was misguided, but I just don't see any ideological reason for an all-machine Cybertron.

>>149414123
>Why did Rhinox agree that a purely technological Cybertron was the correct choice?

His spark was scrambled with Tankor's programming beyond any chance of recovery. I just finished the entire series recently I that's the one criticism I don't get why everyone is so obsessed about, yeah I don't like to see Rhinox as a villain, but it's not like his change of heart doesn't make sense in context. And yeah, Megatron's obsession with technological purity coming from nowhere(and how he made the virus with no explanation other than he had lots of free time) is never explained and that's the series biggest flaw.

>>149414123
The beast modes in BW were just skin deep in BW too- the toys idea was that the Transmetals would mesh with the robotics, but the show never addressed that.
A lot of Beast Machines is basically Hasbro pushing their ideas(even Cheetor being a leader is something they wanted in BW that the writers never wanted)
Here's my cope at least
>after suffering constant betrayals from his sentient minions, down to dinobot II losing him the Beast Wars, Megatron starts hating any sort of sentience as he blames it for his failures and sees himself as the only worthy individual intelligence. His distaste of organics is just part of that since organic life can't be controlled like technology
>Rhinox appreciates nature but also feels like Cybertron shouldn't be altered from it's traditional state(in the same way he wouldn't want Cybertron to overtake other planets)

>>149414123
Simple: the storywriters were ordered by Dan DiDio to not watch the series they were making a sequel to.

As someone who didn't grow up with this movie, it has a really awesome opening, a really awesome climax, and between that.... some shit happens.

>>149414213
>2) Tankorrhinox was a largely unexpected twist, and while I do like the character (especially the fact that he acts just like evil-Rhinox in "Dark Designs"), we haven't really gotten an explanation of how he went bad. *Is* Rhinox's spark corrupted, as Cheetor suggested, or are we meant to believe Primal when he says that the decision to side with the Vehicons was based on free will? It wasn't really clear in the context of the story, especially since both Cheetor and Primal have been wrong so often recently. So what should we-the-viewers think? Has Rhinox been reprogrammed? Is this meant to be character progression and the same guy we knew from the Beast Wars? Or is the truth a mystery which will be revealed later on?
>Rhinox has seen all sides of the argument, and chose to go more in Megatron's direction (which, quite frankly, puts him in good company considering the reviews I've read from certain quarters -- who would like to perpetrate violence on me for introducing the idea that Cybertron may have been organic in the dim, dark past!)
>In # 9, Rhinox explains that he disagrees with Optimus. The reading from the actor has Rhinox growling and shouting these lines, which makes him seem corrupted (or, at the very least, not in his right mind). It was my *actually* intent for the lines to be read SADLY, to give the turnabout a poignant tone! But I wasn't there, so what can you do? I wanted the friends to be reunited... only to part company. But the "angry" reading makes it look almost like Optimus is abandoning his friend just when he needs Optimus the most! (This isn't a complaint against the actor or the director, just an observation on intent versus execution.)

>Rhinox's subsequent activities will show the lengths to which he will go in order to see *his* vision of a perfect Cybertron come to fruition. And the net-effect is that certain forms of fanaticism can be even more dangerous than Megatron's megalomanica.

>>149412786
somebody better whip out the energon goodies and pretty damn fast...

People who are nostalgic for this movie. Did you like TF ONE?

>>149404551
Still hurts that they killed off those Autobots

Giving Kup a cigar is the best and only design change he needs.
>>149415380
I did. It's not going to dethrone '86 for me, but it's the best theatrical Transformers project in recent memory

>>149416222
Ypu mean cy-gar?

>>149415380
yeah it was alright

>>149415380
It has not even been a full year since it released. I liked it. Was a good starting point for anyone interested in the franchise.

>>149415380
I haven't liked anything after Cybertron

>>149404551
IRON BIRDS OF FORTUUUUUUUUNE

>>149394893 (OP)
Objectively the best version of the Transformers theme

>>149404784
This.

I loved Michael Bay's Transformers movies. They're fun, especially the first one.

>>149415380
It has some problems but yeah I liked it

>>149404903
Nah that's dumb, and just makes it sound like Bayformers was just your first experience with the franchise. It had been doing solid saleswise since Robots in Disguise in 2001, and only had a brief setback with Beast Machines because BW had been selling well since '96. It's not a GI Joe situation where the franchise hasn't been able to find footing since the late 80's/early 90's.

>>149418146
Ditching in-house Hasbro/Takara designs for American animator created ones really sapped a lot of my interest. even if the shows are ok, they just don't look like cool robots. American cartoon designers largely can't do cool mecha- the comic guys can at times but even Prime was just ok at best to me.
Meanwhile I look at something like the 80's animes, even with their limted animation, and Star saber looks cooler than anything in the last 20 years to me.