Thread 149406655

what superman villains do you wan't on the big screen?

Terra-Man

>>149406655 (OP)
Brainiac, if they don't fuck him up

>>149406655 (OP)
Brainiac is the obvious one for the sequel

>>149406655 (OP)
The Prankster

>>149407065
>>149406991
brainiac as lexcorps chatgpt gone sentient

>>149406655 (OP)
Nick O'Teen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqm9zqwDE0

>>149407178
wasn't it kinda harsh for superman to kill him for trying to sell cigarettes to kids?

>>149407162
No, it needs to.be Kryptonian

Keanu Reeves as Amazo.

>>149407205
why?

>>149407298
Because that's the point of the character

>>149406655 (OP)
Livewire is such a fun villain but I wish she was the enemy of a hero allowed to have a complicated romance with her. She's made for angry sex and Superman is too faithful for that.

>>149407389
no its an evil computerman

>>149407389
That isn't the point of the character. He wasn't even Kryptonian until the 90's cartoon, he's from a planet called Colu. And even then that's only been in two cartoons.

It's not hard. Make Braniac a Lexcorp AI, but you have the inciting incident being Lex adding Kyrptonian code and tech to the AI to enhance it, which provokes it to become Braniac.

>>149407205
brainiac isn't from krypton, he's coluan

>>149407543
this

livewire as a zoomer e-girl vlogger, influencer and Boravian disapora nationalist (probably funded by Boravian mossad) who gains superpowers

>>149406655 (OP)
Lex Luthor and Zod. The rest are too lame, except maybe Brainiac. Anything else interesting is dipping into Batman’s villains.

>>149406655 (OP)
Brainiac

>>149407162
Metallo can be Luther's fault.

>>149406655 (OP)
Brainiac from the Superman 78 comic would work well enough for a movie and since he was originally organic it could explain why he has a great great great grand kid in legion

Early movie villain Metallo, mastermind villain brainiac.

>>149406655 (OP)
>>149406991
These ones, but also my boy Mxyzptlk. I think casting John de Lancie would be super appropriate. Make him like Q from Star Trek. A mischievous prankster who's implied to actually be looking out for Superman and humanity's best interests, even if he goes about it in really twisted ways. Basically like the Superman 2000 pitch.

>>149407607
I like the idea of making her a shock jockey or a right-wing podcaster.

>>149406655 (OP)
>>14940760
Parasite would be visually cool and thematically in line with this Supes' struggles. Same goes for Livewire.


>>149406991
>>149407065
Brainiac is definitely the obvious sequel boss.

>>149407816
Metallo would be a great Dragon to a bigger enemy.

I'd also like to see a return of Ultraman as a proper Bizarro complete with Htrae after being stranded in the black hole by Clark.

so was Mxy referenced in the film or not?

>>149406991
Burton and Cage are still alive.

>>149407412
they'd fuck her all up anyway. no way she'd been like the show

livewire could be a supergirl villain

>>149407412
say no more, Jimmy Olsen is the man you're looking for!

>>149407607
That movie seriously should have started with the immediate aftermath of the Boravia incident, Superman says bye to the not neytanyahu then treats it like another adventure.

>>149406655 (OP)
I want Mongul to be the big giant epic third act villain.

>He has a giant Death Star he keeps gladiator slaves on, with lots of Warzoon minions
>It's actually a dyson sphere built around a red dwarf star
>The United Planets is scared shitless of him and they let him do what he wants
>He steals Sinestro Rings and keeps them getting the GLC and Sinestros on his ass, making his rep even more scary
>Good way to introduce some cameos of other lesser known guys in the Gladiator arena like Tygor, Arkillo, Titano, Amalak, Bolphunqa, and Kanjar Ro.

This franchise needs a 12 foot tall ripped yellow guy that shoots lasers out of his chest

>>149407674
That comic any good?

silver banshee

can even have a subplot of jimmy romancing her

>>149408472
Jimmy being the supervillainess fucker in Metropolis does sound nice.

do you guys think he'll cameo in the Supergirl movie?

>>149406655 (OP)
Parasyte would be insane, but I bet they'll go for brainiac

>>149406655 (OP)
Has to be someone he can brawl with, not a normal guy that makes land development schemes.

Metallo
Mongul
Parasite
Toyman in a giant robot

Anything but an evil Kryptonian again. No Zod, Bizarro, Jax Ur, Henshaw, Eradicator, or the knockoffs like H'ell

>>149406991
You ever read Superman 78

>>149407412
Maxima is better

>>149408472
>Livewire is Eve after being rejected by Jimmy Olsen
this actually works as a villain origin story, weirdly enough

>>149409280
even though her being a social media junkie influencer is a good translation for a modern Livewire, Eve is too nice and dumb to become her.

>>149409346
she gets brain implants from brainiac or something but her electrical powers fuck with the implant so it's not able to fully control her but it still makes her sadistic or something

>>149406655 (OP)
Titano

>>149409346
have her trying to be a hero in the hope that it'll make jimmy love her but she's so shit at it, she ends up looking like a villain

>>149408900
I did. Twas meh.

>>149407162
>>149407205
>>149407389
>people don't know Brainiac is actually supposed to be Coluan
Grim

>>149407674
>since he was originally organic
I mean, isn't Brainiac usually originally organic in the comics? He becomes a cyborg or a robot later on, but I believe he usually starts as just a green alien guy.
It's adaptations like the DCAU and MAWS that make him some Kryptonian AI for some reason.

>>149409634
>He becomes a cyborg or a robot later on, but I believe he usually starts as just a green alien guy.
I've always liked this about Brainiac, he's not actually a supercomputer, but he's so devoid of emotions and humanity that he might as well be, while Superman embraces his humanity, Brainiac outright rejects it, both physically and emotionally.
And yes, I know neither of them are "humans", but you know what I mean.

>>149406655 (OP)
They gotta bring back Ultraman as Bizarro, right? He was already pretty bizarre, and they could say that falling into the black hole just fucked him up even further.

>>149409695
>when Luthor finds the clone stranded and all fucked up in the pocket dimension
>"Ultraman? Do you remember your codes? B0! B0!"
>"Bee-zarro...?"

>>149409634
He is a robot from colu for most of pre crisis (I guess his first appearance he was supposed to be a green alien)
The Byrne era he was …I have no idea
Then he went on to being a robot again
I think it was Geoff John’s who made him the buff alien dude

>>149407524
One really shouldn't underestimate how adaptations can affect public perception of a character, sure Brainiac is Coluan in the comics, but comics are niche. For many people, Brainiac has always just been Kryptonian.

>>149409695
>Lex builds a new portal in secret in hopes of rescuing Ultraman
>Superboy steps out of it
>Lex suddenly remembers that he used to routinely fuck Ultraman for a little over two years.

>>149407607
Nnghh...i want it

>>149409634
Brainiac makes for a much much better smart guy brains over brawn rival for Superman than Lex.

While Lex is significantly easier to package and sell as a movie character. When Lex comes first, Brainiac becomes a bad alien knockoff of Lex so people rarely want to use him.

>>149409751
He was another pre crisis character that was considered to be too silly and stupid to use pose crisis so most writers did not bother with him in the 90s. The few times he appeared he was a robot of some kind tenuously related to Colu, and mostly because the Timm cartoon version was just a robot.

Johns brought him back as a green alien guy because he was consistently updating all the old 60s villains across the board. He made Sinestro and Zoom cool again so he kept on going.

>>149409634
The robot thing is usually just streamlining (especially most adaptations don't bother with the Legion anyway)
The Kryptonian thing is just, let's be real, nobody gives a shit about Colu and the Krypton connection gives some extra sauce.
I feel like they'll do Kryptonian Brainiac, simply because they need to go more into the 'what's up with Krypton' question people are gonna have and we already did a mirror match episode (and Zod also got a lot of DCEU usage).

>>149407412
>Heroic male x villainous female
>Absolutely despise each other's guts but can't stop thinking about their counterpart.
>Problem solved with the eventual outcome of rough hatesex that leads to marriage and then the former villainess gets pregnant.
Kino.

>>149406655 (OP)
Cyborg Superman or Metallo with Volcana

>>149409815
>Fucked up clone + Gay sex + Black Hole = Superboy

>>149409877
>nobody gives a shit about Colu
I do, makes the universe feel bigger, not everything has to tie into Krypton.
Also if we really need a Kryptonian robot and/or supremacist, why not just use the Eradicator and/or Zod?

>>149406991
>>149407065
the most overdue one for a live-action film easily.

>>149409877
Any more lore makes Colu seem worse.

It's an entire planet full of super geniuses but they never conquered the universe, and never really did much. While Earth humans can do shit like make Kryptonian equivalent or make reality warpers like Dr Manhattan and Captain Atom. Or top tier armor like Monarch Armor.

Ancient Krypton is still way waaaaay more advanced too, Colu seems tiny when you add in things like the growing all their cities out of crystals, Sunstone ships, genetically perfect engineered species, shunting criminals into a parallel dimension, and the 3 galaxy wide empire that needed the Guardians to stop.

>>149409963
if they do Zod again i'm not watching it

I really like Solaris and I think the whole existing in the year 853,000 is really cool. In my ideal trilogy, movie 2 ends with Brainiac giving Lex schematics to creating him before dying

What if Luthor summons a League of Luthors but the plot twist is that Kid Luthor and Kid Superman become pals while the elders duke it out?

>>149406655 (OP)
People act like Livewire's a staple of the franchise.

>>149409963
>Zod
We just had a universe that used him way too much and there's a bunch of evil Superman he could fight outside of him. Hell, we just had him fight one.
>Eradicator
This is just another case of 'nobody gives a shit about this one'. It's not like he's completely forgotten (MAWS had Brainiac have an 'Eradicator Protocol') but Brainiac is the more popular guy.
You know, this whole talk kinda made me think back to the idea that the Teen Titans movie is going to be the 2003 cartoon roster with Damian instead of Dick.

Engineer already made Metallo obsolete

madchester black, bizzaro, and mr.mxyzptlk

>>149410033
>Any more lore makes Colu seem worse.
I feel like that's kinda the point, I dunno why you would think a planet full of supergeniuses would necessarily be a good thing.

>>149410255
She's a great concept of a character that has never really been utilized to its full potential.

Bring back the clone, devolved into Bizarro, for Legion of Doom/Justice League film. For Superman 2 villains I'd love to see
>Livewire
>Parasite
>Atomic Skull
>Mister Myxzptlk
>Toyman
>Metallo
>Manchester Black
Along with Mercy Graves as Lex's new assistant

>>149410315
Manchester Black could be cool, but does he really fit into the sequel to this particular movie? We already have Justice Gang killing people, we can't just randomly do the Elite and pretend they're unforgivable, edgy monsters.

>>149406991
This or Metallo

>>149410487
Not him but the argument could be made that Manchester Black could serve as Superman's "legacy" in the manner of his actions inspiring misguided metahuman copycats. Black could even cite the Justice Gang as an example of how he's right. Perhaps this could serve as a catalyst for not only creating the Justice League, but for Superman to hold them all to the line to be better

Personal opinion but Metallo is coolest when he doesn't have fake human parts/skin. Just go full T-800

>>149410033
They're a bunch of insufferable geniuses with the decency to not be assholes to everyone else, barring one asshole. You might as well be complaining the Thanagarians didn't conquer Earth 3000 years ago.

>>149410278
>we can't use this guy because audiences know him
>we can't use that guy because audiences don't know him
>we have to use the guy who audiences know but change everything about him to the guy audiences don't know so they know what they don't know and don't know what they know
Holy shit, an actual studio exec posting on /co/.

>>149410345
She's cheap waifu bait and you just want your cartoon boner

Would love it if he teamed up with Dr Fate again like the animated series did to fight a different rogues gallery

>>149410554
Not him but I don't want fucking Zod again, and Eradicator is just more sins of Krypton that's just an essence stealing robot that looks like Superman.

Earth has a wide range of Superman bad guys we can still use

>>149406655 (OP)
Metallo definitely! After that Toyman and Mongrel

>>149410511
More to the point, Manchester Black and the Elite's MO was to literally show up and start killing without concern for collateral damage, and turn on anyone trying to stop them.

>>149410570
She's one of two frequently used female villains for Superman and the only one with a defined powerset and personality. And also doesn't look like she does disco covers of Norwegian death metal.

>>149409590
>>149409634
Comics Brainiac has the unfortunate fate of being inferior to an adaptation of him. DCAU Brainiac mogs him hard in terms of storytelling: the universe did a ton of interesting stuff with him, and him being personally responsible for the destruction of Krypton gave him a personal edge to his villainy with Clark.

He is, basically, a completely different character than mainstream DC Brainiac, and it's arguably the case that he's a BETTER character. This puts regular DCU Brainiac in a very tough spot.

>>149406655 (OP)
Toyman was badass in the animated show

I'll tell you what I DON'T want and we can work backwards. I don't want;

Luthor again
Zod again
Doomsday and anything relating to death and return
Anything from Krypton at all
Any "Evil" variant of Superman
Any deconstructive variant or allegory
Batman

>>149406655 (OP)
None, because most live action capeshit movies suck ass

If, hypothetically, the movie didn't suck, then Livewire and/or Volcana would be great. Mxyzptlk could be good if done well too

>>149410650
>More to the point, Manchester Black and the Elite's MO was to literally show up and start killing without concern for collateral damage, and turn on anyone trying to stop them.
His response would most likely be "I'm here to stop bad guys, get out of the way or face the consequences. The more time I spend saving people, the more people die because I didn't put down the other guy". And this could perhaps lead to a messy confrontation with Superman where Black is trying to prove a point, creating the most collateral damage fight he can until he forces Superman's hand.
>"Black, stop this! We don't have to do any of this!"
>"Oh but we DO! How many lives are lost because YOU can't do what needs to be done? How many people have to pick up the pieces, left behind, because YOU can't wrap things up? So either you kill me, or I kill you, along with anyone unfortunate enough to be in the crossfire"

>>149410698
Luthor is allowed to be an ongoing secondary threat, or at times a forced ally. It'd be a disservice not to have him in some shape or form moving forward

>>149406655 (OP)
Literally anyone who isn't Luthor or Zod. Or really any Kryptonian.

>>149406655 (OP)
can a parasite/brainiac movie work?

>>149407205
He's not Kryptonian

>>149408585
Well he did have a relationship with Silver Banshee in the comics.

>>149407205
>>149407162
the consecuences of a bad popular adaptation

>>149410745
Parasite is a pretty flexible villain. He can be a primary threat he can be a secondary. He can be an a tragic one or a complete monster. Just don't make him a goddamn giant monster.

The main man

>>149410769
I kind of like STAS' take on him: a totally ordinary and very petty crook who gets in a lab accident. I found the contrast between his extremely low-stakes and limited ambitions, and his theoretically limitless power, to be very enjoyable. And how he'd sometimes defeat Superman almost on accident, like he wasn't meaning to.

Okay here's my pitch
>Main antagonist is Toyman, costume inspired by the Jack Nimball puppet
>Opens up for a lot of creative visuals thanks to his deadly toys/gadgets
>He's manipulating various Superman bad guys via bombs/mind control/etc. Effectively they're his "toys" and he's entertaining himself. Parasite, Livewire, and Metallo specifically.
>Lois and crew basically have to uncover who Toyman truly is, and interview the captured bad guys to piece it together. Maybe even ask Lex for help
>Climax is Toyman having complete control over Metropolis's power and data grid. Cars, trains, everything is in chaos for his own amusement
>Superman has to fly around the city preventing disaster until the control is severed
>Superman ultimately pities and asks Toyman if he needs professional help given his trauma and childlike mentality
>Superman reflects on his father, and maybe one day considers starting his own family

>>149410791
he is on supergirl alredy

>>149410855
phrasing

>>149410707
I think it'd be more along the lines of:
>I had to use my telekinetic powers to collapse that section of the bridge otherwise the terrorists would have escaped with enough radioactive material to make a nuke.
>There were thirty other cars on that section, and everything plummeted onto an apartment complex beneath it.
>Yeah, and more people would have died if they set off a nuke!
>How were they going to escape from the police and superheroes chasing them? Why didn't you just use your powers to kill the engine and blow out the tires? You didn't have to kill dozens of people, cause billions in damages, and spread radioactive material across 3 city blocks.
>Fuck you, let's have ourselves a go.
Everyone forgets that deep down Manchester Black really just likes hurting people and uses superheroics to justify it.

>>149410893
Well that's my point, the post was to illustrate he is more concerned about being right than he is saving lives, hence why he would willingly cause severe collateral during their fight. It's a game to him, and he's approaching it thinking Superman won't give in

>>149408504
I always liked Mongul more then Darkseid, I think he just has more personality and flexibility as a character

Introduce magical elements or keep to super science and alien shit?

>>149410554
Eradicator is also another evil Superman. And Zod's problem isn't being known, it's that he was used a lot in the DCEU (MoS and Flash, and also as Doomsday).

>>149411002
>>149410576

>>149407412
It's so cute when she thirsts for the Supercock

Leslie x Clark

>>149410928
Darkseid is honestly TOO big for his own good. Mongul's that right mix of "pretty big deal" but also kind of petty.

What's a good comic with Metallo as the main villain? I've read Secret Origin

>>149406655 (OP)

That one racist guy who can teleport weapons into his hands.

>>149407389
Retard

>>149411910
>>149406655 (OP)
Man, livewire had such a cute desing originally, I will never understand why they tried to make her outfit and hairdo as if she was a metal music fan.

>>149411002
>>149411493
>tfw the Snyderverse already wasted a pretty cool take on Dr. Fate

The DCEU is littered with the smouldering ruins of ideas that deserved a better execution.

Solaris as the main invincible impending ticking-clock big evil final boss with somebody else like Metallo or Atomic Skull as the secondary villain who Superman also has to deal with while everyone prepares for the end of the world if Superman fails
Make it really feel oppressive and kinda sad as everyone wonders if Solaris can truly be beaten, even by Superman, lean into the whole "do people believe in him?" Thing, i dunno

>>149412949
tell me about it

>>149406655 (OP)
Manchester Black leading the Authority vs Superman
The regular Elite would also make sense but since Engineer was already set up, might as well lean into it. People were also talking shit about how Superman wasn't "badass" enough and complaining about how he wants to preserve all life so the sequel could address why he values all life.

>>149412946
Because everything has to be subversive.

>>149409634
>>149409751
>>149409877
>>149409963
I, too, like the Colu origin and feel like it makes the universe bigger.

That said, Brainiac would be amazing and I'd love to see Gunn's take on the character. Brainiac done right is wonderfully weird and creepy, but should also provide a physical threat that isn't just another strong guy.

>>149409664
It's one of the things that make Brainiac so good.

>>149412949
>>149412967
>Aquaman
>Shazam
>the Justice Society
Man I hope they do these concepts again but with greater justice.

>>149408504
this
mongul rocks

>>149409664
I hope Gunn uses this angle too. After emphasizing so much that Superman is human in the first movie, this would be a great foil to his morality, especially because he isn't like Lex who is envious of Superman's abilities

>>149408504
I just remembered that his sister was already in a James Gunn movie very very very briefly

>>149413280
*DAUGHTER

>>149413016
>Manchester Black leading the Authority vs Superman
They'd have to butcher them to coexist with superheroes willing to kill evil heads of state for engaging in invasions. Manchester Black's entire critique of superheroes is that they don't effect systemic change due to an unwillingness to cross legal or ethical lines and are completely shielded from the evils of the world going on right under their noses. Remove that and you just have Jupiter's Legacy.

I would take this fresh opportunity to slowly build up to a big villain we haven't seen. Have people like Maxima, Mongul etc get filtered in and then cap off with Imperiex. the previous justice league went too hard too fast.

>>149410849
Someone else who wants to see Toyman. Fucking awesome, anon.

It's not what I'd do with the character but I like a lot of these ideas a lot.

>>149410893
>Everyone forgets that deep down Manchester Black really just likes hurting people and uses superheroics to justify it.
Yeah, which makes it all the stupider that Superman doesn't actually successfully dispute any of his insincere points. I have no fucking idea why people like Manchester Black. Superman comes across as a fucking cog in the machine next to him in their original story and his later appearances drop any complexity in favor of complete nonsense.

That shit is genuinely one of the worst Superman stories if you look past Superman doing what is effectively shtick. I get it. Superman's shtick when done well is great in a vacuum. The problem is that story isn't a fucking vacuum.

>>149409837
To me Lex moreso represents corporate corruption. He’s essentially the personification of the capitalists, and crooked senators he would fight in the golden age

>>149413344
Mongul would work very well with Gunn's take of introducing characters into the bigger universe. Already is a good instrument to put Clark and Super Girl on an adventure together, as well as introducing Martian Manhunter or other Lanterns. Or tease the scale of other major threats across the universe. All while having an eaqually powerfull yet petty villian to vaunce of off Superman and keep the mood "light" before even naming ane of those greater Threats.

Also, lets be real, Mongul has like a time limit to appear on the big screen, as as soon as Apokolips or Brainiac are even name dropped in any of these movies or shows, is over for him as a "big villain" to sell to the mainstream.

>>149406655 (OP)
Clearly Ronnie Zarko needs to appear on screen.

>>149412967
I’m still mad about them wasting Mr Mind and I’ll die mad about it. To make it worse they didn’t even waste him in favor of doing something interesting, instead they went some lame ocs.

>>149410554
how did you hear "we just had Zod, I'd rather we get other beloved characters" and take THAT as the conclusion? you're the one with studio exec mentality here, projecting your shit on others

>>149412949
>>149412967
to be fair I prefer using the word DCEU and not Snyderverse for these two because it wasn't really Snyder's ideas; Shazam 1&2 and Black Adam were part of the weird limbo period between Snyder's stuff (or stuff with characters he introduced) and the new reboot

>>149410670
It's a sidegrade at best, just because you're more familiar with it, it doesn't make it better.
That's kinda how I feel about most of the DCAU in general, people act like it's the best version of the DC Universe, when they usually just mean it's the only version of the DC Universe they know, acting like it's better just cause it's not as complicated.

>>149406655 (OP)
He has never appeared in anything, it is time

>>149409877
Man, not everything has to be from Krypton, that's fucking lame.
Why not make Lobo Kryptonian too? Or Mongul some kind of ancient Kryptonian? Or Mxyzptlk just some Kryptonian god?

>>149413926
Well, in this case it's only Brainiac who's from Krypton, not "everything"

>>149413947
Well, yeah, but my point is that we don't have to make something from Krypton just for "extra sauce", the universe is a big place, Clark shouldn't always have to fight particularly personal enemies.
Also, isn't Brainiac stealing Kandor already enough of a connection? Have him try to do the same with Metropolis, with the logic that humans are eventually going to destroy themselves like Krypton, and he's just trying to preserve them.

>>149412949
What’s funny is Dr Fate and the JSA was the bigger standout in Black Adam

>>149414166
Oh, yeah, /ourguy/ Pierce stole the show there, unsurprisingly. I mean, when you're sharing a film with Dwayne "I can't act" Johnson it's hard not to look better than him.

>>149412949
Isn't Doctor Fate okay for a do-over?

>>149414192
Even Hawkman and Atom Smasher were better

I know everyone is sick and tired of evil Kryptonians, but I was thinking about how Kru-El could fit with the story they're giving the Els.

I agree with everyone saying No to Zod. I'm sick of Zod. Luthor was fine in this film because it's really the first time we've ever gotten a true comics-accurate Lex. But no more Zod. Zod's not even FROM the comics, as I recall.

>>149414206
The question is who do you get? Pierce did great as old Kent but he definitely needs to be a younger Fate and not job every single fight they always had Fate do when he’s around other heroes. Plus Fate’s rogues aren’t exactly the greatest unless you count Equinox the made up one for BATB

>>149414246
>Zod's not even FROM the comics, as I recall.
Actually, I'm pretty sure he is, Adventure Comics #283

>>149414260
Oh I'm not saying Fate has to be in a Superman sequel. I think he'd be fine in a JLU project, or a JLD film (needs better name). Don't know who you'd get though

>>149414222
Honestly? If we absolutely HAVE to use an evil Kryptonian, there are other options besides Zod, he's not the only Phantom Zoner.
Recently I learned about Ras-Krom, a magician from Krypton, I think he could be a fun one to adapt.

>>149414246
>>149414270
Zod is in fact from the comics but he was actually a pretty minor antagonist until the Richard Donner movies. iirc Jax-Ur was actually the bigger evil Kryptonian for years

>>149414328
I didn’t mean a sequel. I meant a standalone movie

>>149414246
Zod was a minor villain who was usually a lackey for one of the other evil Kryptonians. Donner movies made him more important.

I'm still kinda miffed that they used the Engineer as a villain, when they could've easily used Metallo or Mercy.
Like, is she even a villain in the comics? I know very little about Wildstorm, but I was always under the impression they were just anti-heroes.

>>149406665
I'll give you points for obscurity, but I don't see how that would make any sense.

>>149414390
I'm still hoping they'll introduce Mercy later
>>149414437
Not him but how about time travelling/space fairing bounty hunter hired by Bruno Mannheim to go on jobs. His future/alien tech can be a nuisance

>>149413926
Wait what if...everything was created by Lex Luthor!
Wouldn't that be great

>>149414331
I had an idea for a Kryptonite Lich.

>>149406655 (OP)
Bendis and the Warlock

>>149413901
Sorry anon but nobody reads comics, not here or anywhere.

>>149407412
Did you ever see the Reeve Superman era movies? Superman does have sex with Non Lois women. You can say he was under influence but he did it. And it made him more humane for it.

>>149406655 (OP)
Ultra humanite

>>149406655 (OP)
Since the movie already had Brainiac and Luthor by popular margin, I would suggest a two-team of Manchester Black and Metallo played by Plan B the rapper and either Malcolm McDowell or Sam Trammell respectively.

For side characters,
>Lobo by Omar Say
>Martian Manhunter by Harry Lennix (reprising role)
>Maxima by Sophie Turner

>>149410706
>Volcana would be great. Mxyzptlk could be good if done well too

These could be real good if done well. Especially Volcana since her existence puts a damper on Superman being patriotic. Right now Superman needs to disassociate from the American Government. Showing him helping a meta human from being captured by the government would boost his image right now. The last time Superman needs now is to be Uncle Sam's errand boy.

>>149406655 (OP)
Mr. Mdgjklsdgsjgd

>>149414460
How would you introduce Mercy without stepping on the Engineer's toes? She didn't die, and was pretty loyal towards Luthor.

>>149414880
You don't need a reason for more henchwomen

>>149412946
>tfw the most normal modern Livewire design is from Harley Quinn 2019, and she's a glorified background character.

>>149406655 (OP)
Volcana. I know she's outclassed by more than Maxima and Livewire, but I still think she's cool.

>>149414880
>>149414897
An irony in the film that isn't really commented on as much as I'd expect is that Luthor already has his own harem attained through entirely mundane wealth.

>>149413367
What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way is one of those stories where it accidentally makes side arguments for its point of view that are better than its main argument.

>>149413692
Because it's talking about Brainiac and the Eradicator.

>>149414331
Bronze Age accurate, kung fu misandrist serial killer Faora would be pretty great.

>>149414390
She's a member of the Authority, so a self-righteous asshole at minimum.

>>149414390
I think it's cool they used someone more out of left-field as a villain but what I hate is that it did kinda take away from Superman's actual rogues. But also she's pretty much an outright villain in the movie when from my understanding, she's more of a lighter shade of grey along with the rest of the Authority.

>>149414880
Engineer's loyalty might be tested once she wakes up and realizes maybe she didn't really hate Superman's guts and it was just Lex messing with her thoughts, leading into the Authority film
>>149414390
would be funny had we gotten this look for her and we had two superhero films with a fully-silver woman that were two weeks apart

>>149415158
>where it accidentally makes side arguments for its point of view that are better than its main argument
Pretty sure "Manchester Black has a point" is the opposite of the point of view of What's So Funny...

God the page with the alien weapons traffickers still pisses me off. Superman at his worst.

>>149415158
>Bronze Age accurate, kung fu misandrist serial killer Faora would be pretty great.
I would love to see this. I actually wouldn't mind seeing the other Phantom Zone villains again BUT with the caveat that they actually do something different with them instead of just retreading Superman 2. Like idk, adapt the New Krypton plotline and have them do something there. Do a plot where they somehow ended up on Warworld and want to usurp Mongul or something. I don't know just do SOMETHING other than Zod wanting to take over Earth again for the billionth time.

>>149415203
Manchester Black doesn't have a point. He believes everyone is actually an asshole like him and they're all just phonies. He believes he gets to do whatever he wants and has the right to kill anyone who disagrees with him. And he believes in might makes right but only goes after people he thinks he can kill. The moment that he's on the back foot he starts whining about fairness, the moment he thinks Superman has started playing by his rules he has a crying tantrum, and in his follow-up appearance the moment he's faced with a moral behavior that he can't spin as cynical self-service he blows his brains out. And the alien weapon traffickers page? Manchester is only going to kill the traffickers, he's not going to touch the DEO. Because he actually doesn't give a shit, he just wants blood on his boots and unlike Superman the government isn't going to pull their punches.

What's So Funny fails because for some reason those aren't the actual arguments of the work. Instead it's just whining about the Authority instead of making the salient point of "a better world, no matter what" is basically justification for them to murder anyone they feel like for whatever reason they decide. Something the Authority series itself later touched upon when they made an outright power grab.

>>149415185
Engineer wakes to find Lex has already replaced her with Mercy, a more advanced cyborg that wasn't in a coma.

>>149415508
>Engineer wakes to find Lex has already replaced her with Mercy, a more advanced cyborg that wasn't in a coma.
That is very simple, and I somehow didn't think of it, it could even set her up for the Authority.

>>149415508
>Manchester Black doesn't have a point
No, he does. Twice, specifically. The first time when he calls out Superman for being a sheltered prick blind to human suffering and the second when he calls him a cog in the machine.
>Manchester is only going to kill the traffickers
You say this like it's a bad thing. To be abundantly clear, Superman's plan on that page is insane if not sociopathic even when compared to Manchster's idea of simply killing them.

I don't need Superman to be like Manchester, but I at least need him to fucking be EFFECTIVE. I don't want to see Superman acknowledging evil people rule the world and the world's a cruel and unfair place and that's just the way shit is. And I especially don't want to see him let unrepentant mass murderers off with a warning because they have legal protection.

Manchester Black might represent moral degradation in the face of hardship in this story, but Superman represents something almost as repugnant, the status quo.

>>149410670
>>149414160
The problem is that now Brainiac is retreading old ground. He's another super smart bald guy that does wacky super science. And he would have to be insanely over the top to be a step above Lex's pocket dimensions and nano minions.

>>149406991
And stick to the STAS backstory of him being a rogue Kryptonian AI. He needs to represent Clark's struggles with his birth culture and what it means when it's reduced down to unemotional data rather than lived experiences.

>>149406655 (OP)
Gunn is really really likely to bring back some form of Terra Man just because he is just that level of fucking weird and crazy of a concept that Gunn goes for.

Space cowboy with laser six guns that rides a mutant alien pegasus would fit right in that universe.

>>149416141
But that's just the Eradicator.

>>149416098
>The first time when he calls out Superman for being a sheltered prick blind to human suffering and the second when he calls him a cog in the machine.

Those aren't points they're arguments. And they're both the kind of wrong that only a selfish twat could make.

>You say this like it's a bad thing.
That's not how justice works. There's laws and shit for a reason. The whole problem with Black is that his arguments only work until someone bigger pushes back. Call it a matter of precedence or the slippery slope but you're looking at shit in a very immature and very short term perspective.

racist 4channer e-girl livewire

>>149415508
>>149416098
I'm sorry, I really want to hammer this point home.

Superman is told this group fatally diseased tons of people, and in his explanation for what he'll do about that shit, he says, effectively "I'll keep arresting them no matter how many times they commit mass murder."

That is not a fucking sane response.

>>149416187
>That's not how justice works.
No. That's not how the law works. You've conflated the law and justice. The law seeks justice. It isn't itself justice.
>There's laws and shit for a reason.
Yeah, and Superman is putting the laws before that reason. Have you thought 5 seconds about why laws exist?

Hell, by Superman's own fucking admission, the law isn't fucking doing its job.

>The whole problem with Black is that his arguments only work until someone bigger pushes back
I got news for you dipshit, the same applies to all arguments. That's why the bigger guy pushing back needs to be a force for good. Justice if you will.

>>149416187
Bad men are in power and the world is not an equitable place and Superman is doing fuck all about it. How is justice working?

>>149416159
Nobody cares about the Eradicator

>>149406655 (OP)
You could have Parasite be a thrall of Brainiac where he absorbs Earth knowledge but can absorb powers as a defense mecha ism.

>>149416321
You all seem to like him when he's called Brainiac.

surprised nobodys said her.
Have her be a straight up hero, or she fancies herself a superhero, coming into stop the bad guys, but always ends up causing more damage, cause shes a clumsy girl failure

>>149416321
Eradicator is kind of cool but he's too intimately tied with a lot of external baggage I'd rather they avoid.

>>149416811
Isn’t that a Wonder Woman villain

>>149417129
i didnt read the title, but hey, theyve interacted together a good bit

>>149416511
Argue in good faith nigger

>>149406655 (OP)
Livewire