Why did it fail?

>>149409460 (OP)
Not enough sexy and/or furry characters to make fanart of

>>149409460 (OP)
No good shipping options

>>149409460 (OP)
> Two 15-16 living in a closed off area
> In the same house
> With no other humans their age around
> Both operating on gorillions of raging hormones
What a crazy setup for a kiddie cartoon really, ticking time bomb for a teen pregnancy.

>>149409734
One of the main characters is a literal redneck and the other is a greaser that probably will avoid paying child support, it fits.

> can't even have lasting thread
I feel bad for Zach and Tara

Sex with BW

>>149409460 (OP)
It's too bad I liked far more than any of those other indie cartoons

>>149409630
>>149409661
> Either make your show a goon/furry bait or shipping bait
The absolutely state of indie projects.

>>149409460 (OP)
It came in an era when YouTube animation was in a downspin.

>>149409460 (OP)
The voice acting didn't fit some of the characters and the emotional moments were basic and forgettable. Snag didn't get much in terms of good or funny moments and beyond that I can't remember much else without needing to re-watch the pilot again. Most people still remember it cause of the character design and the porn so that was a big plus.

https://litter.catbox.moe/8x0mba1p3dovjzyf.png

>>149410115
It's especially sad since they spent many sleepless nights trying to get the Long Gone Gulch pilot made, only for it to be completely forgotten within a year.

At the end of the day I suppose it's cool to have your passion project fully realized and out in the world, but it must also hurt to see first-hand how little impact it had, especially compared to other indie cartoons released around the same time.

I liked it, is there any reason it didn't gain massive traction? I could see this is as a series more than something like Gaslight district which could've worked as a movie.

Timing. This is kinda crucial for any show.

>>149409460 (OP)
it’s probably only me but it was uninteresting for me

>>149409460 (OP)
They got fucked by COVID. The show was apparently picked up. They'd worked out the next 5 episodes already, but then covid hit, budgets changed, management changed over, and LGG got lost in the shuffle.
Zach and Tara haven't written off doing something with it completely so there's still a glimmer of hope (albeit not a particularly bright one).
LGG would be such a fucking breath of fresh air. I'd love to see more done with it.

>>149412759
Their intent was always to try to get it picked up by a network. LGG was made well before the current indie boom and the idea of doing a long running series at the production level that Tara and Zach were shooting for as an indie was virtually unheard of.
If the same pilot was released today, I think it would get a TON more traction simply because there are far more people paying attention to indie productions.

>>149411123
My biggest problems voice-acting wise were the mayor jackelope, and BW. I think BW could fit, but Amber Midthunder didn't have much (if any) voice acting experience and unfortunately it shows. The sort of nuanced delivery that would work better in live action didn't translate well to animation and as a result, her character mostly seemed bored and sleepy.

The mayor character had awful pacing. I know some of that is due to how the radio play was edited (mostly the spaces between lines), but his actual line reads tended to be a bit too drawn out and his delivery kind of killed the gags.

Pacing in general was probably on of the biggest issues with the pilot. It needed to be a touch snappier. There were scenes and shots that would linger just a touch too long and that made the episode kind of drag. I think it could have been punched up a bit more. However, that sort of thing is fairly common for pilot episodes (actual pilots, not the ones that make it to air). I think if Zach and Tara had been able to make the series deal stick, most of that would have been ironed out by episode 2.

>>149409460 (OP)
>cartoon set on the wild west
>somehow there's a greaser in there
This shit triggers my autism so much

>>149414552
If you're into music, it makes sense. There are threads that tie surf rock to spaghetti westerns and rockabilly. 6 String Samurai kind of played with that crossover.

>>149414037
damn

>>149415007
while the bump is appreciated, you couldn't think of more to add than "damn"?

>>149415059
nope

>>149409630
One is all you should need

>>149415400
If nothing else, I hope people remember BW for years to come...

>>149409460 (OP)
not enough BWussy

>>149410843
same desu

>>149409460 (OP)
I saw the pilot, even if tha artstyle was kinda interesting and fun, the pilot was really boring.
They blew it too, with the mic of the Indian girl that was supposed to be pretty bait to make fanart, and said voice was terrible too, she always sounded so bored.
I cant even remember why there was a greaser there, as the main protagonist best friend.
In the end, the main problem is how boring the pilot it was, bummer, it had really good designs.

>>149414255
I recall somewhere in development, right after their first initial teasers for it, there was some pushback from tumblr and other groups over B.W's original name, 'Buffalo Wing'
To avoid backlash, they changed it and vowed to get authentic Native American representation for her by casting Midthunder.
But I agree 100% with you on how she didn't know how to approach VAing, and like the rest of the cast, sounded like she was recording her lines in a library and was too afraid to speak above a whisper tone.

>>149417217
Yeah, she was definitely a little quiet. The voice is fine but the acting isn't strong enough. She's a little bit above 'just reading the lines' but not much.

>>149416757
Snag is the other protagonist. There are two protagonists in this show. They are both sheriffs, though Rawhide is much more gung ho about it.

>>149417217
>>149417960
The volume thing is likely because she’s not used to hearing herself over headphones. Were used to hearing ourselves though our heads, so when we hear our own voice coming through our ears, it can seem like you’re being WAY louder than you are. It’s disorienting.
That’s something that VAs are used to, but in this case it’s very likely that she just popped some headphones on and did a few takes.
> She's a little bit above 'just reading the lines' but not much.
This is why voice acting is an actual skill aside from live action acting. What sounds right for an animated character (at least for kids stuff) tends to be something that would be “too much” for live action. Performances need to be dialed up to help bring the drawings to life.

>>149418169
The question was why he was a greaser, I know he was a coprotagonist.

>>149418285
>why would Tara and Zach create characters that look like that?
It's a mystery

>>149418207
If she does get the role again, my only hope is that she's given your feedback. Maybe have her listen without headphones, how her line sounded. She fits, the right amount of smug/sultry to her voice imo. I do like her character too. She starts off butting heads with Rawhide but she does have a heart with how she helped sheriff girl turn her attention back to her duty.

>>149418514
This stuff is easily fixed in direction. For the pilot, Zach and Tara were doing pretty much everything and they ended up wearing a lot of hats for the first time. Directing voice actors was one of those roles they had to cover with no previous experience and unfortunately it shows. The voices are recorded first, and without experience, it can be difficult to know if a take is any good or not without being able to see how it pairs with the actual movement of the character (which obviously happens much later). Plus, in the heat of the moment, you can kind of become shell-shocked during a recording session. It's exciting and nerve wracking and if you're not used to it, you feel like a fish out of water. You may feel uncomfortable giving direction, not know how to do it, or perhaps be so overwhelmed by the experience that you don't know whether a take was good or not.
Zach and Tara are both animators first, which is why the pilot LOOKS awesome, but was a little rough around the edges in other areas. Now that they've done it, it's a lot easier to approach the same task with more confidence and agency (and the knowledge of what not to do). That said, if the show got picked up, it's likely that a dedicated and experienced voice actor director would be there to help run sessions and translated notes from Tara and Zach to things the actors can use.

>>149418476
> The cuck "These are characters are not self inserts!!" Vs THE CHAD "Yeah those are our self inserts lmao"

>>149416757
>>149418285
>I cant even remember why there was a greaser there, as the main protagonist best friend.
He is the out-of-towner who just moved in so he is noticeably different than the rest of the town, Rawhide has been there her whole life.

>>149414130
>The show was apparently picked up. They'd worked out the next 5 episodes already, but then covid hit
Huh? First I've heard of this. Got any proof?

bit of sketching, thought swapping their outfits would be fun.
>"How hard can being a sheriff be?"
>*incomprehensible spooky gibberish due to ghastly possession*

>>149409630
I refuse to believe there aren't at least 10 pieces of that red bigfoot dude piping BW's cheeks.

>>149409630
Agreed. Sheriff Hayseed was WAY better.

>>149418930
They keep saying the characters aren't based on them, but they sure as fuck look like it. It's possible they designed the characters to subconsciously look like them. The resemblance is uncanny.

>>149419647
Yes. You can hear it out of their own mouth during an interview, but unfortunately you also have to deal with Daft Peñis.
https://youtu.be/CyUsnnuNlVo

>>149419647
>>149421663
I may have indicated an incorrect timeline btw. I didn't mean to imply that they had worked out the first 5 episodes BEFORE covid hit, but essentially, they got picked up, they started working and mapped out the next 5 episodes, but then through a chain reaction that started with covid, the deal fell through.

>>149420982
I'm kinda bummed Piemations abandoned that one so quickly, I wonder what happened..

>>149421663
god damnit, I wish there was a browser plugin that would filter out Daft Pina's voice from every video he's in. His speech mannerisms are extremely repetitive and autistic and it makes me want to claw my ears off.

>>149409460 (OP)
I want that redhead cowgirl to that scene from Blazing Saddles with all the cowboys eating beans

>>149422133
Delicious indigenous nips

>>149421879
Probably simply because how unkind YouTube is towards longer content and the amount of work probably didn't give much payoff. There was also the thing with his hands meaning short form content and that's been treating him a lot better.

>>149423856
Which is probably why the current meta for "successful" indies are patreons and merch sale... huh, things really haven't changed much since the 80's and 90's.

>>149423856
>the thing with his hands
qrd?

>>149423986
the difference is indie shows can get away with being less profitable since they don't have to contribute to a CEOs hundred million dollar salary and several dozen million dollar bonus. It's still really tough to hit funding goals, but indies don't need to be pulling spongebob numbers to be considered a success.

>>149409460 (OP)
I don't even know what this is...

>>149424898
It's Long Gone Gulch it literally says so in the picture and in the subject field are you stupid?

>>149424898
Jesus Christ, I hope the entire zoomer generation isn't this fucked, though considering everyone seems to be on board with using chat gpt to spoon feed them fucking EVERYTHING, I don't have any faith.
You didn't even have to google shit. The info is right in the thread, but here's a link to the pilot since you probably won't be able to find it otherwise, you absolute retard.
https://youtu.be/tmSx5Ywc_YI

Didn't this thing get in hot water because of the indian girl? Might not be the full picture but likely played a factor.

Didn't this thing get into hot water because of the native girl's design? Might not be the full picture but likely played a factor.

>>149425685
It wasn't her design, but I think people got huffy because her name was Buffalo Wing. Zach and Tara made amends by changing her name to BW, and promised that she would be voiced by an actual native american person which is partially why Amber Midthunder got cast.

>>149425685
>>149425865
I don't know if they got in "hot water" over it but they did tweak her design slightly from red face paint to red eyeshadow. Whether it was due to criticism or some other factor I don't know.

>>149426355
I think they got ahead of it. It's difficult finding actual criticism of the art or name, so while I'm sure it exists, it seems like they made the right amends to satisfy the cancel mob.

>>149424223
https://youtu.be/8zBO_Q8b9U8?si=kzq6IhFZG9Q4BS3s

>>149426626
actual QRD because anon is a fag:
drawing and constant mouse use fucked up his wrists. Treatment has made the pain bearable in day to day life, but animation has been heavily scaled back. He's going to work a lot slower now.

>>149409460 (OP)
It didn't fail, not in my heart.
or my bonar

also, they would never have gotten away with naming an Indian character "Buffalo Wing" even if they tried to hide it by calling her BW

>>149426757
Is bonar like sonar? Does your dick emit a signal that reflects off of things and bounces back into your pelvis indicating the direction of cheesecake?

>>149426672
...what is "qrd"?

>>149426778
quick rundown. It's usually a super brief overview just to get you up to speed if you're out of the loop. Posting a full video to a qrd request is kind of a dick move.

>>149409460 (OP)
The western influence isn't too appealing for a broad audience, especially online. You hardly see it in cartoons period.

>>149426830
I think there's a lot of work to be done in that genre. It could be incredibly badass and I think the popularity of the Red Dead Redemption games help prove that.

>>149427000
Maybe something more serious, sure. As a comedy cartoon? Eh.

>>149427551
I think it could work in a lot of contexts, including comedy. Tara and Zach had a good angle planning to use folkloric characters like sentient tumbleweeds, jackelopes, sasquatch, etc, making Rawhide and Snag of questionable skill at odds with the mayor. I could see the show working as a sort of "outlaw of the week" format with occasional dips into slice of life plots. If they wanted to, they could create a bigger season long arc that is teased here and there with a big bad, and there are plenty of lore elements to delve into should they decide to go that route. BW is an especially interesting character, but I'm even curious as to what Rawhide and Snag's backstory is.

>>149427551
>>149427784
Fwiw, a lot of the later spaghetti westerns are comedic.

>>149426830
Imagine an alternate universe where Bouchard kept making Saddle Rash instead of Bob's burgers.

>>149427000
>>149427551
>>149427784
The concept of a western cartoon is hampered because they can't show any gunslinging which is a big part of the appeal of a western setting.

>>149409460 (OP)
It was sure as hell better than Becky Prim.

>>149428466
I think they could get around it with slingshots or something. Rawhide could hit people with tomatoes or peas or something. I also don't think the gunslinging is absolutely necessary. It is a cool part of some westerns, but it isn't integral to all of them.
The show wouldn't even need to necessarily center around villains specifically. They could crop up from time to time, but there could just as easily be a reason to investigate a mysterious sound coming from a mine shaft, find a missing cow, or find a buried treasure.

>>149428645
No it wasn’t. Becky is more appealing than any Gulch character and has better humor.

>>149428908
>took the bait
kek

>>149428937
>need bait for a dead thread of a dead show
Oof

>>149429012
>still took the bait
kek

>>149419141
Which completely explains him belonging to another century
This was Zach's failed concept from some other show and Tara didn't have the brains to see he didn't belong there even as a WUH-HACKY idea
This Gorillaz reject bugged the fuck out of me

>>149429966
>>149418285
>>149416757
You guys must be turbo-autists. It's not like the show is striving for historical authenticity. I think Snag is a good counterpoint because he's not all in on the cowboy thing. He's a good foil.

>>149429988
It's not striving for ANYTHING, it's a bunch of random shit thrown together to the point only the setting made it a Western

>>149429996
Great, then why would Snag be a problem?

>>149426830
You can't do a western with nogunz, thats why so many of these fail

>>149430102
I never said that was a good thing
[Spoiler]make a better show next time Zach[/spoiler]

I personally never had a problem with snag because I always saw greasers, punks and other leather jacket elvis hair cultures as just modernized western style with bikes instead of horses.
To me it didn't felt to out of place, not on the same level as putting a borderline gothic matrix inspired shade's wearing guy into a hippie setting for example.

>>149430338
> Albert Wesker looking guy in trench coat and shades from the rising pessimism of 00s in the happy go lucky optimism times of 60s
Sounds like a fun idea

>>149426808
Oh. I didn't think I was being a dick, I just posted an explanation from the guy's own channel. That's an explanation from the guy himself rather than just me guessing and trying to sound like I knew something. I thought drawing a lot being hard and the hands and wrists was a no-brainer, and that I wouldn't have to explain something so basic. And I don't even draw, so I thought that kinda thing was common knowledge.

>>149409460 (OP)
>Why did this racist propaganda fail?
Don't know don't care.

>>149430128
adorable. man i hate the fact that i missed out on the chance for these. no way in hell i'm getting the figurine secondhand.

>>149409460 (OP)
There is no room for TV animation anymore

>>149411123
Winwinstudios?

Bump

>>149430128
>>149431184
I was SO tempted to buy both the Rawhide and Snag figurines, but I was tight on money when they were on sale.

>>149430143
I'm not Zach, schizo
learn how to spoiler next time, idiot

>>149430338
I'm with you in that it didn't feel out of place to me, but for a different reason. Musically, spaghetti westerns often occupy a similar space as surf rock and rockabilly. It's common for surf rockers to do covers of spaghetti western themes largely thanks to Ennio Morricone non-standard orchestrations and Allessandro Allessandroni's twangy jaguar guitar.
"For a Few Guitars More" is a compilation of surf covers of Spaghetti Western Themes.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLanyoplDfV69lXX5tkX5B5GZlUYkmI2Om&si=q1vxgQwr_UdVVuZ7
The Hellbenders (who took their name from the film) are a beloved band in the surf scene that is dedicated to Spaghetti Western music
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFs1BH8OgJM2XFFFXvWKszupCHvFUvxTU&si=atW8xi__mGbMdK9W

In both the surf and rockabilly scene, the classic greaser look is still very much en vogue. I know it might seem like a stretch, but the fact that Tara and Zach hired Dom Kreep to do the music for the pilot (which ended up being incredibly surfy), seems to indicate that they're clued into this connection. As someone who gets nerdy about this kind of music, I didn't find Snag's look to be anachronistic or out of place. I just thought he was cool.

>>149430793
bait used to be believable

>>149430139
>You can't do a western with nogunz
As a bonafide nerd of the genre, I disagree

>>149417217
As a native the name Buffalo Wing is retarded and doesn't make any sense. I don't hate them for it, it was obviously a mistake due to lack of research and wasn't done with any ill intent. I actually hope if they make more they include more cute native women.
And yeah I wasn't a big fan of the voice acting for her. I hope she's improved her va skills.

>>149432622
what tribe?

>>149430139
You can hardly do dick in a western without applying a secondary genre like sci-fi or fantasy

>>149433542
It really depends on how you define the Western genre and how strict you are about what constitutes genre crossing. To me, Westerns are primarily about the setting, but within that world, you can tell almost any story you want. It could be like Rocket Power where kids are competing against each other in the corral, one kid who is sick of losing decides to cheat to win and the rest of the episode is dealing with that. It could be like Gravity Falls where a bunch of sentient tumbleweeds abduct Snag and want to marry him and Rawhide needs to rescue him. It could be like Regular Show, but instead of a video game coming to life, perhaps it will turn out that a mechanical automaton actually contains the ghost of a 49er that died panning for the gold that was used to create some of the innards of the device.

If those ideas constitute genre crossing, then I'd argue that it's extremely rare that you find any genre that doesn't feel restricting without also delving into other genres. Sci fi often includes an element of mystery without being squarely in the mystery genre.

>>149434029
The problem is more of scope. If you're not familiar with the Western genre, it can feel restricting because all you know are the popular tropes - the duel at high noon, the train robbery, the dancing showgirls at the saloon and the inevitable drunken brawl. While some scenes depicting those moments are iconic, it's usually because there's a film that did it particularly well to the point that it became synonymous with the genre. But that's like thinking that all sci fi has spaceship battles and laser gun fights. While that does happen in quite a few sci fi films, there are loads of examples of sci fi stories that feature neither.

slingshots would be an easy way around the gun thing

Unironically it failed because it's the least gay show there is, main characters are straight, that's INSANE for nowadays standards.

>>149409460 (OP)
It didn't fail as much as it didn't succeed.

It was going to be picked up but then the triple whammy of WB merger, COVID, Streaming collapse in the span of two years killed all chances.

If it came out like two years earlier or before it would have been a huge success.

>>149419647
I recall Tara stating something like this in a tweet around 2021. She said a studio was interested in it but all talk vanished in 2020.

>>149409460 (OP)
I feel like this show could only work as a Nicktoon in the mid 00s at best. No one else really makes anything over the top wacky like this anymore.

>>149434322
The harpoon being slingshot back at Mako was fun.
>"You're weak. Just like your old man.That's why..."
>"I KILLED HIM."
>Rawhide gasps
>"Well not really."
>"But yea your daddy's dead!"
>BIFF

>>149435293
>No one else really makes anything over the top wacky like this anymore.
and that's precisely why this needs to be made. It would be nice to have something just be fun again.

>>149435141
Tara and Zach have been teasing that there will be forthcoming developments from Lopsided animation. It's unclear whether that means something is concretely in the works as we speak and they can't talk about it yet, or if they just have plans to do more.

>>149409460 (OP)
Needs more Chad/Stacy tier artists on it

>>149436436
Shut the fuck up, guy

There's no way those two are not just fucking 24/7 when they're not doing sheriff stuff, like what there's even to do for them outside of that?

>>149437203
Aren't they siblings?

>>149437213
No, snag was confirmed to be a random out of town guy so they're not related.

>>149437213
They're not siblings, but Tara and Zach have been very careful to avoid indicating that they're a couple. Fans were asking leading questions like "do they have any crushes" and Zach said Snag has only one love of his life...Ronnette (his switchblade comb).

Snag does VERY questionable things with Ronette.... Meanwhile Rawhide is carefully watching... On the SHERRIF'S CHAIR!

Who love and huge fan of this eel guy named Klaus?

>>149437252
> My cuck chair? You guessed it! SHERRIF'S CHAIR!!!!

>>149426355
I remember there being some people making a fuss about her name and face paint and then getting on top of that pretty quickly. They also made further changes on her design to simplify it for animation reasons.

>>149437347
I think the changes they made were tasteful yet sensitive to peoples' concerns. They were able to avoid serious backlash without sacrificing the overall feel of the character.

>>149419842
Nice sketches, anon!
Please post an update if you end up working more on this

>>149426355
Most of her design isn't particularly "native". Her clothing just makes her look like a hipster. The turquoise jewelry and the headband are probably the most stereotypical things and those are common enough that it doesn't particularly come across as a costume or appropriative. Kudos to Zach and Tara for making a character that reads as native without putting her in feathers and fringe.

>>149437326
Giving the characters 'canon ages' was a bitch move, and I'll never understand why Zach & Tara stooped to that level.

>>149437631
What? When was this?

I crappily drew a drunk, gun toting buffalo wing a while back and posted it on /k/. I like the sexy goth injun.

>>149425569
>Just like when I KILLED YOUR DADDY
>Well no not really.
>He's still dead though.
That got a chuckle out of me

>>149437631
huh. TIL

>>149438214

>>149438431
I wouldn't trust her with that pistol...

>>149437045
Are you upset that so many artists have benefited from my genius and I have also invented Catholic theology of the arts, bitch!

Btw, I say things like this instead of silly things just because you act like a shit stain

>>149439897
And BW is 21, so you can jack to her lewds with a clear conscience.

>>149441284
Not the real guy

>>149409460 (OP)
Lol I dunno

>>149442593
This is the real one. You can tell because I'm owning hard and about to do so more with art for this series

>>149409460 (OP)
All style, no substance.

>>149444238
not true

Self inserts

>>149444238
Disagree. There were growing pains for sure, but it wasn't anything that isn't typically ironed out after a pilot. Their biggest issue was pacing. Some of the gags needed snappier timing to land. The animation looks great because they're both animators, but the rest of the stuff had to be learned as they went. I suspect if we ever get an episode 2, we'll see vast improvements in the areas that were lacking.
Most importantly, they created a viable world that felt rich for storytelling.

>>149445993
Based ones

>>149409460 (OP)
How Long Gone Gulch was it?

>>149446236
Hi Zach (or Tara)

>>149447721
not so long

>>149448841
Or, Zach and Tara enjoyers

>>149443893
>and about to do so more with art for this series
That's how I KNOW you're LARPing. The real guy doesn't fucking draw. Ever.

>>149450435
I see you're spazzing out because of an independent brand flourishing and so seek to inflict your brain damage on others. Go flush yourself in a toilet shitty weenie

>>149450528
>because of an independent brand flourishing
I actually like Long Gone Gulch. I hope Tara and Zach make more. They're incredibly based.
I haven't seen a single thing that you've actually done. You just bitch.

>>149450551
If so, why are you being an obnoxious loudmouth in disrespect of them?
You're also inviting me to post my work in their thread so you can say I'm derailing it and jack off to ruining my reputation. Show you like their work instead of saying it by fucking off

>>149450598
show me where I disrespected them.

>>149414130
>They got fucked by COVID
God I swear one day I will kill every singe person responsible for the Covid hysteria then nuke china for creating it in the first place

>>149451384
>the Covid hysteria
Don't know if I'm just interpreting the words poorly, but a lot of people died. It was more than just hysteria. I was in NYC through it. The reports of having to pile dead bodies in trucks outside the hospitals because the morgue was filled were true. Shit was grim.

But it did give a lot of companies an excuse to pull some financial maneuvers they never would have been able to get away with before. Grocery prices got jacked and they never quite came down to what they were before. The egg farmers pulled a coo to increase their prices (that was before bird flu allowed them to crank them up even higher), and Hollywood studios cancelled projects left and right. It's not like we were swimming in amazing IPs before COVID, but after lockdown corpos seemed even more hesitant to take a risk on new ideas than ever before.

Sign of a quality thread.

>>149451705
kek. Filtering guy's accounts is the right move.

>>149451735
Sex with the natives

>>149452519
indeed

>>149437203
They don't really have sexual chemistry. Their vibe is more friendly or brother and sister.

Jesus Christ, guy really kills threads dead, huh?

>>149409460 (OP)
That art style looks bad even for whatever art style that is.

>>149456073
Yeah I already said that's what you were trying to pull dumbass. You're saying that I'm a genius but shitheads like you won’t support projects I'm on, showing you think I should be on long gone gulch.
>>149456336
“Looks bad” means nothing, your perception can be defined by the competition

>>149451270
Do you lack all literacy? Can you just vaguely grasp what i say?
>>149451705
>>149451735
You'll stop saying this after I send industry artists emails, wanking cockroaches.

>>149456336
Hard disagree. What art style do you actually like aside from anime?

>>149409460 (OP)
Has Danny Cooksey done any voice acting since this?

>>149460456
let me google that for you:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0177528/

>>149460456
>>149461321
Also, how did I not realize the voice of Snag was the angry Les Paul playing kid from Salute Your Shorts? Crazy.

>>149415249
>>149415278
Nice

>>149458215
spoiler: He only likes anime

>>149462220
Nice art

>>149421923
You can open up the transcript and just read the whole interview, no risk of actually hearing.

>>149462320
Pro move

Interview Transcript:
>it was our first attempt, we were still green naive and uncertain how this would really work. We thought we can't fail or lose all the funding if there was no deadline to hit, but since there wasn't any urgency at play, there was less people wanting to back it >After a bit of time we took it down. We made a good amount on there but not enough for us to really rev up a production. We hunkered down, brainstormed, and made a new game plan, put what we made from gofam in a safe place so we can add it to the new campaign funds later but we decided to get back to the drawing board and create a new campaign that took many many months to plan but this time with Kickstarter
>yeah it was amazing because we still have fans that say they donated to the original GoFundMe and loved what we made saying how they're happy it was completed and that it came out better than expected. We made sure the people who came to us about being a backer of the old go fundme got all the future rewards that the kickstarter would get. They were the first and we really do appreciate everyone who supported us that early into the idea and it's great when they they say like "I was the first, I did it, I remember."

Interview Transcript (Without Daft Peñis's Autism):

>it was our first attempt, we were still green naive and uncertain how this would really work. We thought we can't fail or lose all the funding if there was no deadline to hit, but since there wasn't any urgency at play, there was less people wanting to back it.

>After a bit of time we took it down. We made a good amount on there but not enough for us to really rev up a production. We hunkered down, brainstormed, and made a new game plan, put what we made from gofam in a safe place so we can add it to the new campaign funds later but we decided to get back to the drawing board and create a new campaign that took many many months to plan but this time with Kickstarter

>yeah it was amazing because we still have fans that say they donated to the original GoFundMe and loved what we made saying how they're happy it was completed and that it came out better than expected. We made sure the people who came to us about being a backer of the old go fundme got all the future rewards that the kickstarter would get. They were the first and we really do appreciate everyone who supported us that early into the idea and it's great when they they say like "I was the first, I did it, I remember."

>>149463608
In regards to merch/rewards:

>That was all me. I was the conveyor belt. We added a lot of rewards to the kickstarter since we weren't sure if people would fund something they never heard of so at least they'd get something cool and appealing out of it so I designed most of it and there was a lot. I just thought of whatever would be fun to do, and stuff that people would want. We got a bunch of novelty switchblade Combs that I painted the logo on every single one of them. There was hundreds of those. My favorite were these little raw hide hats that I sculpted little tiny skulls and I casted them in resin, made like a hundred of those, painted them, super glued, like hot glued them on each and every little hat so that people can have little raw hide hats. It was a lot of work. I remember our living room space at a time was just stacks and stacks of cardboard boxes that needed to be shipped out. I was
always happy sitting there just like among the mess that I created and seeing all the labels the names of everyone from all over the world supporting us so it all worked out with that. It was a great feeling seeing everyone take photos of their goodies and enjoying them once they got them because they always would put them with like their other collections or their other cartoons they enjoy, or on their cat's head. But yeah, maybe we went a little overboard because it was a lot. It was a lot but it helped people get interested in the project.

> It was insane! We made our budget two weeks before the campaign ended, and we just thought, "We did it! We did it! We can't believe we actually got the opportunity to make this thing." I think during the final minutes before the kickstarter ended we played Good the Bad the Ugly tracks in celebration. Yeah, yeah it was extremely validating to know that so many people saw what we saw in this project. It's cool to know others can be just as excited to see your idea as you are to make it.

>>149463608
In regards to merch/rewards:

>That was all me. I was the conveyor belt. We added a lot of rewards to the kickstarter since we weren't sure if people would fund something they never heard of so at least they'd get something cool and appealing out of it so I designed most of it and there was a lot. I just thought of whatever would be fun to do, and stuff that people would want. We got a bunch of novelty switchblade Combs that I painted the logo on every single one of them. There was hundreds of those. My favorite were these little raw hide hats that I sculpted little tiny skulls and I casted them in resin, made like a hundred of those, painted them, super glued, like hot glued them on each and every little hat so that people can have little raw hide hats. It was a lot of work. I remember our living room space at a time was just stacks and stacks of cardboard boxes that needed to be shipped out. I was always happy sitting there just like among the mess that I created and seeing all the labels the names of everyone from all over the world supporting us so it all worked out with that. It was a great feeling seeing everyone take photos of their goodies and enjoying them once they got them because they always would put them with like their other collections or their other cartoons they enjoy, or on their cat's head. But yeah, maybe we went a little overboard because it was a lot. It was a lot but it helped people get interested in the project.

> It was insane! We made our budget two weeks before the campaign ended, and we just thought, "We did it! We did it! We can't believe we actually got the opportunity to make this thing." I think during the final minutes before the kickstarter ended we played Good the Bad the Ugly tracks in celebration. Yeah, yeah it was extremely validating to know that so many people saw what we saw in this project. It's cool to know others can be just as excited to see your idea as you are to make it.

>>149463713
About the crew:

>I want to say half of our crew were just our friends that we knew from the industry already like Chris Arotas, Carl Megan, Gabe delal, Jeremy pogar, but we also had to find a lot of new people as well. Usually we just see their work online and send them a message asking if they were interested. We were very transparent with the amount of work and how much they would be paid too. We just had to gather up a team just by the internet.

>Yeah, we were very lucky that everyone was so easy to work with and very very talented. We would show our close friends early work. Every time we we'd show them something new they'd get excited to the point where some of them would say, "I want to work on that!", and we would let them.

>Yeah it was just like at work they I would be like,
>"hey check out this new little bit we did" and they'd be like
>"whoa yeah this is awesome!"
I'm like, you already have a job! It's like, you want to work on this?" like
>"yeah, I want to work on this"

>>149463762
>We knew we needed some help with figuring out the story. Story is the most important part. It really helped to have Carl and Megan to bounce ideas off of. We had some ideas and things we wanted to showcase in the story before we brought them on, but what it became after we had them was 100% better. They brought a lot of great things to this pilot including humor and personality. It was one of the most rewarding processes having them co-develop this giant Beast with us.
>yeah at a certain point the story was not working for a 10-minute format. We thought "well this may be our only chance to make something why not just extend it and make it exactly how we wanted it." With that being said we made sure the decision didn't affect our crew whatsoever.
>Yeah, we had to hire more people to help us finish it rather than give more work to the folks we had already. We also felt giving the fans and backers something bigger than what they expected would help make the wait worthwhile

>>149463857
About redesigns and lessons learned:

>When working in development you usually figure out things you wouldn't normally think about in your pitch drawings. Once you see the characters actually move you can feel the struggles and the triumphs. What works what doesn't. That's why a lot of cartoon pilots look different compared to the first episode. Just the jump from our teaser to the pilot is like light years apart. We knew we had to hit this deadline, so we had to make the decision to cut down unneeded pencil mileage for the crew.
>Yeah, so we got rid of Rawhide's dress had too many Frills or made less stripes on her jumper, got rid of excess detail and their clothing and hair - things that moved a lot like rawhide's little glove tassels or bw's pigtails were getting in the way. There were also a lot of things we'd have to track which would make it take longer to animate and color so we reduced and simplified.
>We thought, "do we really need these details? Would anyone miss them? Do they help the story? They look great as a still drawing but became too cluttered in motion. We wanted to make it easier for the animators and cleanup artists to work. One less thing to do.
>After completing the pilot, I feel we'd probably update the cast again to be more streamlined with the their details knowing what we know now. One of the worst things for yourself is having overly detailed characters the animators just have to deal with. I'm not going to give an example. You can just like think of one yourself. Even small details like Mayor Rubarb's mustache would have gone in the production if not for how much extra time would it take to animate it.

>>149463920
The Future of the Project:

>Right after we released the pilot to the public, a studio came to us directly to make it into a full-fledged series. We thought we were like in Dreamland! All our hard work was finally paying off. We had a contract written and we were set to negotiate. Negotiating was a long process and took nearly a year. In that time we mapped out the first five episodes, redesigned the cast a bit so that they were more streamlined, had bullet points for things we wanted to showcase - Everything was looking good. We polished so much and we were so eager to jump into this world again and get the opportunity to work with our crew on a bigger scale but then the pandemic was screwing the industry causing production to be put on hold including Gulch. We waited and waited until finally we heard back from them. Things shifted and things just didn't pan out in the end and they passed. We were gutted! We worked so hard preparing it for a series we felt like we failed the team. They were all equally excited to get started on this. So much time had passed since the pilot premiered on YouTube and everyone involved were already on new productions. By the time we got the news it was a huge blow for everyone.
>The good news is we still own the rights to LGG so we felt very lucky to have even that opportunity and gotten that close.
>Yeah, so the fate of LGG is still uncertain, but we know we definitely want to continue in some way. We want to keep showing it around the studios but at the moment the industry is a bit weird if you haven't noticed. We would absolutely love to make more Gulch however we can. The Indie way is another path but, takes a lot of time and resources. Maybe if there is enough fan support, we try to fund more episodes ourselves.
>Yeah, we have them planned out.
>Yeah, I'm sure we'll return to the world of The Gulch sometime in in the near future

>>149464086
About Lopside Animation:

>Lopside is our production company. Whatever Zach and I make will be under that Lopside umbrella. The name came from the fact that we like like lopsided characters. It's a design trait that we love using and I thought it'd be a unique name. Like, when we ever do character designs if you noticed with rawhide, she has hair over one eye. Snag has a tooth on one side. All the characters have like a lopsided like unsymmetrical feature which is really hard to track with animation and that's probably why a lot of people don't use it, but I find it appealing and unique and iconic so we try to do it whenever we can. We want to keep doing animated stuff whether it's like a tribute to something we love like our Gorillas "Ice Hockey" video or weirder original stuff like dark dark dark things don't quite sound the same when it's dark dark. The Cry of a cat may sound like wow.
>Yeah, we want to like showcase all the different things and genres and styles that isn't just a comedy slapstick Gulch type of cartoon but a little bit of everything.

>>149464164
About the Art Book:

>That in itself took some time to make. Just like the pilot, the book is being made and produced by us independently. It's another big project that took a long while to get right balancing all the art but also trying to give insights to the creative process of the pilot. I also had to dig through the catacombs of my parents basement to find some of the very early Raw Hide and Snag drawings. That's another reason why it took so long. What we love about it is that it's just a big old tribute to the amazing folks who helped us make the pilot all of their beautiful work is on display in this book. We made sure every part of the process was featured. We think it came out awesome and people are going to really enjoy it and we can technically say we wrote a book!
>Yeah, it'll be also cool for people that were unaware of all the work that went into it. They finally get to see the behind the scenes of like "oh wow they had to do all this or create this extra wheels in the machine to make this thing like chug along"

>>149462220
Sleek as ever, man.
Please consider doin' a shapely, anatomically upscaled Rawhide like picrel if ya got a moment.

>>149464222
Advice to other creators:

>So if you're pitching to studios, make sure your ideas are clear and concise. Organize your pitch and make sure it's written in a simple way to get the point across. For indie stuff, I'd say start small maybe make something on your own for free like a one minute short or an animatic. Don't just dive right into a fundraiser for a series.

>Yeah, for indie, say if you want to create something with a crew - be sure that you know you'll be doing all of or most of the heavy lifting. You can't just say you want this idea to happen and assume your crew will figure it out for you. This is your show and in the end you'll be putting in the most hours. If this sounds daunting then this might not be for you. The people surrounding you and helping you make your vision a reality are the reason you even get the chance to create at that scale so treat your staff well and fairly because this is a collaboration.

>>149464227
I did not draw that and do not deserve the credit or praise. I just saved it from a previous LGG thread. The anon drew a handful of requests that evening (A few of which have been reposted here). I asked if they could be credited somehow, but they preferred to remain anonymous (otherwise I'd credit them).

>>149463608
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>>149464258
This is handy in the event that anons ask for a source for LGG rumors in the future. These are direct quotes from Tara and Zach.

>>149464303
Thanks for the transcript. I really wish this fucker would have just posted the inteview he did with them instead of doing his little autistic voiceovers. It adds no value and his repetitively autistic cadence of speech makes me want to claw my ears off.

>>149409460 (OP)
>this failed
>TWO gay-ass Vivziepoop projects live on
There is no justice in this world.

>>149465868
LGG is better (obviously), but it doesn't have nearly as much autism bait. Vivzie's shows are polarizing because if it tickles your special interests, you'll be a die hard fan. If not, it just goes over like a wet fart.

>>149409460 (OP)
I forgot about this.

>>149458949
She grew an extra boob hand

>>149469200
I would too if I had a rack like that

Wait, will this show not get more episodes?

>>149469639
As far as the public knows, there is no current deal for more episodes, though Tara and Zach have expressed great interest in continuing the series somehow.

>>149456336
What a faggot

>>149409460 (OP)
It didn't

The entire premise of it seemed so unappealing to me that I've procrastinated it for so long after it came out that I literally still haven't bothered watching it.