Thread 149413905

Honestly, if you remove the "maybe" it's perfectly fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEfoNXQDWBs

>What was I supposed to do? Just let them die?
>No, but Clark, you have to understand there's more at stake here than our lives or the lives of those around us. When the world... When the world finds out what you can do, it's gonna change everything; our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human, everything.

superfags are so annoying

>>149413905 (OP)
>it's gonna change everything; our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human, everything.

How?

Most people would get over aliens existing in a month

>>149413905 (OP)
Why is it so hard to accept that a father was thinking for a moment that in order to protect his son it was fine to not save a bus of kids? Is it a bad thought? Sure. But his son being taken from him was his greatest fear. The tornado scene was dumb though.

>>149414082
>The tornado scene was dumb though

It'd have been a little better if they had cast an actual teenager instead of making Cavill speak with a higher pitch to pretend he was 17 years old.

The Snyderverse is dead and now is a permanent butt of the jokes. Sorry, unc. Get with the times.

And then in Batman vs Superman you had the "I drowned those horses" line.

>>149413905 (OP)
Sorry anon.
I could never get over the ridiculousness of Costner Pa Kent stopping Clark from inferring so Pa himself could sacrifice himself saving a fucking dog from a tornado, something Clark could do in 10 seconds without exposing his identity because ITS A FUCKING DOG!!!!

>>149413905 (OP)
I like that dude's jacket

>>149413905 (OP)
It's crazy that the movie is mostly fine but Pa Kent's morality and the insane amount of over the top violence take center stage for all discussion. I like how weird and alien the Kryptonians were in this

>>149413905 (OP)
No it isn't, Pa Kent starts off the conversation with "We talked about this", once again reinforcing the importance of Clark's secrecy, even in the face of threats to human lives. And "You have to understand there's more at stake here than our lives or the lives of those around us" reinforces the central idea here: that some amount of life lost is justifiable when compared to Superman's grand destiny. The scene gets a lot better when they get to the garage and the discussion of who Clark is, his other father, and his other name, but even that is tainted by what came before, because when Jon says Clark should seek out that other father and that reason he was sent here, we know he's weighing that seeking out of destiny higher than or at least comparable to the lives of those schoolkids.

I want you to compare this scene to a similar one from 1978 Superman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUUGDRxJnFU
In this scene too, Pa alludes to the idea that Clark has a higher purpose. Here too he emphasizes that Clark needs to make sure not to expose his secret. Here too, he's unsure because he's just a man with a parenting challenge no man has had, in fact he's even more unsure, Snyder Kent seems philosophically resolute in comparison. But what he's pushing against is showing off, pointless uses of powers that are just to make you feel good, or because you can. He's not treating innocent lives like some twisted trolley problem. As a writing decision, it's bizarre anyone would want to put a scene that treats saving innocent human lives as sometimes morally in question in your Superman movie.

>>149413905 (OP)
>if you remove the part that makes it shit then it wouldn't be shit

Brilliant observation, anon.

>>149415546
>As a writing decision, it's bizarre anyone would want to put a scene that treats saving innocent human lives as sometimes morally in question in your Superman movie.

Snyder is on record stating that Superman needs an origin story for why he doesn't kill people. Snyder is a literal psychopath who doesn't understand the value of human life.

>>149415664
>Snyder is on record stating that Superman needs an origin story for why he doesn't kill people.
That feels like a cover story to me, because Superman definitely killed some guys in Batman v Superman.

>>149413905 (OP)
It's clunky, but this and the invincible son part exist to provide an explanation to adopting the Superman identity in a world where the concept of prior superheroes wasn't necessarily planned to exist(of course that would change the next movie). Superman exists as a way for Clark to do good without compromising his identity. It's not the kind of movie that would allow for it, but having him be superboy or adopting parts of his future costume in the aftermath would've worked better.

>>149415693
https://gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746

>The why of it for me was, well, if it’s truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained. It’s just in his DNA. And I felt like we needed him to do something—just like him putting on the glasses or going to the Daily Planet, or any of the other things that you’re sort of seeing for the first time, that you realize will then become sort of his thing.

>>149415664
>>149415360
I don't buy the idea that there was some great philosophical meaning to the violence in Man of Steel. Michael Bay was just past his peak of popularity when MoS was in production, and it seems obvious to me all the destruction was an attempt to ape the blockbuster action of those movies. There was a "need" to make Superman "cool," and not "lame," and that meant he was stoic, violent, and killed people.

>>149413905 (OP)
>Honestly, if you remove the "maybe" it's perfectly fine.
If you have to modify the dialogue to make it work, then it's not good, it's objectively bad.

>>149415851
>I don't buy the idea that there was some great philosophical meaning to the violence in Man of Steel.

You are correct, Snyder is just a psychopath and thinks killing people is fun.

>>149413905 (OP)
The whole point of Pa Kent is that he inspires Superman to use his powers to help people, having him instill doubt on whether Clark should use his powers at all is completely missing the point.
It's like doing a Batman origin story where Thomas Wayne commits suicide, may as well not even use the character if that's how you want to go about it.

>>149413905 (OP)
I'm fine with Pa Kent being a little unsure about the bus for fear of losing his son.
The tornado shit is inexcusable tho, should've just given him a heart attack or something.

What if Pa Kent knew about the Justice society existing?

>>149415928
It's not doubt to do it, it's just a need to find a way to use those powers without being found out. Which is why he becomes Superman.

>>149413905 (OP)
The scene is great as it is. Grow up. Take a shower. Have sex.

>>149414043
Because this movie was written in a vaccuum where Clark is the firs and only metahuman except oops the sequel says there's been tons over the centuries.

>>149415693
Yeah because Snyder is a hack that can't structure a narrative to save his life. He shoots his movies on the basis of "what would be cool right now" and doesn't bother with linking those scenes together. That's why Suckerpunch was just a mess of style over substance disjointed music videos, and why his retarded fanboys used to call his style "dream like"

>>149415750
>just like him putting on the glasses or going to the Daily Planet
This is extra funny because Clark just shows up at the Daily Planet with the glasses at the end of the movie,without bothering to explain why he wants to be a reporter or anything.

>>149413905 (OP)
>if you change the entire point of the scene and his entire character which would result in him taking a completely different action that wouldn't lead to his death and change the entire movie then it's perfectly fine
Yeah, I guess so

>>149416150
As I understand it, he spent most of his early directorial career doing commercials and music videos. And never really grew out of that style, it would seem.

>>149416191
You can see it in his color grading and especially in his overuse of ramping. Car commercials LOVE ramping.