Why no sports comics in the West? They're so big in Japan. WTF?

>>149418412 (OP)
>They're so big in Japan.
Okay? They're not big here. People would rather watch real sports.

>>149418412 (OP)
Because Americans are fat and lazy, that's why.

>>149418412 (OP)
Because the kinds of people who make comics are the kinds of people who, generally, neither play nor watch sports.

>>149418412 (OP)
Peanuts/Charlie Brown is not from le epic manchild paradise Japan retard

>>149419696
Uh, why would that be less true in Japan?

>>149419665
>fat third worlder goes with the laziest answer his retarded brain can muster

>>149419754
Because Japan fully expects everyone to at least be moderately physically healthy

>>149419745
Peanuts ended 25 years ago.

>>149419745
Peanuts isn't a sports comic. I used it because manga images can get you a ban.

Less diversity (lol) among creatives in America these days.
Western comic creatives have kind of the same interests and don't really branch out of those interests very often.
You won't see comics about sports, farming, guns, delinquents, actual gangbangers (as in the real side, not hollywood shit or made up garbage by some boomer idolizing old Italian mobsters while leaving out all the child abuse, rape, and drug-addled murder/rape combos) because the people making comics generally aren't interested in those things. The west used to have a very robust scene of live action directors and writers who were more willing/able to tackle these things, but now even that is dying out since the corporations who control western entertainment realized that it's way more profitable to just not make any of that shit and just license out foreign shit instead.

I don’t think people would get excited about a fictional super star athlete, it would be like asking someone to get excited about the dream you had last night.
A comic about a real-life athlete would only appeal to niche markets and probably only garner interest among sports memorabilia collectors rather than casual readers.

>>149418412 (OP)
Cause the American ones follow the rules. Japan ones make characters have supernatural abilities or make it way more serious than it needs to be. Literally saw a golfing anime where a kid was near dying and was doing the "No, I can't let it end like this!" before swinging.

>>149418412 (OP)
Sports people are chads who think anime is for pedophiles.

>>149420418
New York Jets would like to have a word

>>149418412 (OP)
Western comics are really samey and very few genres are allowed to live.

>>149418412 (OP)
I've always loved the way Charlie Brown's cap is drawn, how it's a little loose-fitting around his head

>>149420418
>Sports people are chads
Quite the number of sport stars are fans of specific battle shounen.

>>149418412 (OP)
The only sports-related stuff I see that isn't an oscarbait underdog movie is directed at kids, usually educational, animated or loaded with real-life athlete cameos, or any mix of the three. Something like a Backyard Sports cartoon would be nice.

>>149419665
Americans just watch real sports or sports dramas. Sports culture is massive here.

>>149418412 (OP)
Because.

>>149420259
Slam Dunk often beat Dragon Ball in reader polls in the 80s and 90s.

>>149418412 (OP)
Only ones I can think of Are Strange Sports Stories and the Warriors Of Plasm Splatterball one-shot.

Meanwhile you at least had some western sports-themed cartoons, even if few of them were serious.

>>149424072
>Sports culture is massive here.
So are the fans.

>>149420141
>as in the real side, not hollywood shit or made up garbage by some boomer idolizing old Italian mobsters while leaving out all the child abuse, rape, and drug-addled murder/rape combos
Never seen Scorcese?

>>149420418
sports people watch real cp

>>149425512
Scorsese is too based for /co/.

>>149425467
kek

>>149418412 (OP)
Tank McNamara.

>>149418412 (OP)
Only popular sports content in "fandom" spaces right now is gay fiction like that one hockey novel that led to actual hockey players being harrassed by mentally ill women. Sport comics need artists to be extra good at both paneling and anatomy to convey the sport well and artists as a whole in the West just don't have that skill. There are probably some graphic novels out there that are about sports but actually more about romance that are too shoddily drawn and written to have made a cultural impact.

>>149418412 (OP)
Watch a bit of Japanese spectator sports and you'll know why. It's all chill and don't stand out from the crowd and be quiet and so on. So they look at sports comics for the excitement they don't get from being at the game in person.

>>149428315
Seriously? That's nuts.

>>149418412 (OP)
No clue. Sports manga comes hand in hand work shonen and that's one of the largest markets. That it never caught on in the west is strange.

>>149420259
Sounds like a presentation problem. If you presented your dream with enough flare a lot of people would be interested. Storytelling is a skill.

>>149428315
>>149428920
That is absolutely not true. You're talking out of your ass. I've been to Japanese baseball and soccer games in person and Japs go absolutely wild when it comes to sports and cheering for their favorite teams, especially when it comes to baseball. They don't act like chimps and start fights and wreck things, but they still get very hyped with cheering and making noise and celebrating. It's one of the few times when they don't act reserved.
The only sport that applies too is Sumo wrestling and that's because it has a very traditional and old-fashioned culture surrounding it with most of the spectators being on the older side and treating it very respectfully.

>>149425527
wtf

>>149420259
Sports manga and anime are giant industries in Japan, Asia in particular is in love with Slam Dunk and still wanks it to this day

>>149418412 (OP)
Can't have a comic where the blacks are superior to everyone else

>>149431541
That's all they do now, tho.

I would argue sports culture is already so saturated in America that there’s no need for fictionalization. Nearly every major sport is year round now with summer leagues, spring training, etc.
>>149420259
I would agree with you but the F1 movie somehow pulled this off and got the public interested so go figure.

>>149430482
>NI HON RAH-RAH-RAH
You can see this in the US with how every jap gets a nosebleed over Ohtani

>>149418412 (OP)
a chunk of those fans are just fujos

>>149419793
Or because a wider variety of people read and write manga than comics. There's also a lot more successful manga for girls than comics for girls.

>>149433026
This. It's a perfect opportunity to fellate them.

Any UK Peanuts fans?

>>149418412 (OP)
Because melodrama in sports is tedious and boring, South Park showed us that Baseball is boring

>>149431541
>Can't have a comic where the blacks are sup- ACK!

what's the point of sports in fiction when the real deal is infinitely more entertaining

Anyone else play Snoopy's Town Tale?

Sports have no point in fiction. They're repetitive and formulaic in nature, and there's only so many ways you can write them before it becomes dull. Not to mention the appeal they have irl is completely gone. You can't root for the team representing your nation/town/whatever community you belong to when you know it's a fake game.
They only way you can make them slighty interesting is by adding fantasy elements, like Inazuma Eleven where there are superpowers and shit. And even those have an expiration date.

>>149435438
a couple I'm sure

>>149436659
Fighting is a sport

>>149437582
Raping is a sport

>>149418412 (OP)
Ahem

I think that's check and mate atheists.
America wins again

>>149436659
This. It's a boring genre with no audience.

Manga genres:
>Battle Shonen
>Sports
>Romance
>Cooking
>Sci-Fi
Comic genres:
>Capeshit
>Capeshit about a sports player
>Capeshit with love drama
>Capeshit about a cook
>Capeshit with sci-fi elements

>>149438596
Imagine living your entire life being this retarded.

>>149436440
I haven't, how is it?

>>149439118
Yeah, he forgot all entire "queer" subsection of the Western comics industry

>>149438596
>Battle Shonen
superheros
>Sports
>Romance
>Cooking
>Sci-Fi
all that shit is just drama with power levels, which you can also find in superhero comics

>>149435536
There is GOLF manga that's run for 42 volumes.

>>149440262
Cope

>>149438596
Let me fix it for you.
Manga genres:
>Battle Shonen
>Battle Shonen Sports
>Romance
>Battle Shonen Cooking
>Battle Shonen Sci-Fi
Comic genres:
>Capeshit
>Capeshit about a sports player
>love drama
>Capeshit about a cook
>Capeshit with sci-fi elements

>>149440262
Don't embarrass yourself like this. Just because the shonen section of Japan outsells the entire American comics industry by orders of magnitude doesn't mean there aren't other genres like romance, fantasy, thriller, and slice of life that also outsell the entire industry as well.

>I wanna be the strongest chef! believe it!
>no, I'm the strongest chef!
>actually I am the strongest chef!

>>149441312
Except there are a lot of non-shounen with cooking, sci-fi and sports. Hell most cooking manga are seinen since it's a hobby enjoyed by adults you retard. Battle shounen makes for a small part of the market.

>>149419342
Blue Lock is popular everywhere.

>>149420418
Haha I remember loving these games

>>149441312
You should be able to admit manga has more variety at least and it's not even close

Honestly it's just a matter of overlap. People who buy comics don't really watch sports in th US, while they do in Japan.
Some western places DO have comics about sports, though. Ronaldinho Gaúcho and Pelé both had moderately popular comics of their own. Neymar had one for a while but it went nowhere.

>>149444376
>Neymar
Interesting, I didn't know there was a comic about diving.

>>149444376
Nobody brings up Blue Lock in a Japanese soccer forum, though. Japanese (male) sports fans act like those mangas don't exist because they think it's mega cringe if they bring them up when they talk about real sports.
I was kinda surprised by non-Jap soccer fans that casually mention Blue Lock.

>>149419665
There are also manga about middle-aged men going to restaurants and eating.

>>149444476
You spend a lot of time on Japanese soccer forums I'm sure.

>>149425512
lol Scorcese is HEAVILY idolized, yes the characters often end up paying for crimes but they're still portrayed as having codes of honor and never touching heckin' women or kids or doggerinos. Sopranos is closer to what reality would be like, even if it does take liberties
Scorcese had that whole thing where he couldn't relate to the Sopranos because the mobsters were vulgar, but Scorcese himself grew up sickly and bedridden and didn't really have much personal experience.

>>149418412 (OP)
American comics are largely the domain of nerds with not a lot of interest in sports, fans who mostly only care about superheroes, and hipsters who think genre fiction is the worst thing ever.

A lot of it has to do with how Japanese storytelling and art techniques embellish it
The tl;dr is that a lot of sports manga use similar formulas to shonen.
A lot of the tension and excitement in sports manga comes from using realism as a jump, but then using the advantage of a drawn page to exaggerate the action and really extend what we're seeing to be more than just still images.
American comic art, generally, doesn't use the same techniques and pacing.
Like take basketball, the American approach would largely be something like a few shots of taking the ball, dunking it, maybe a few times. There's this rushed feeling not to dwell on it and just show the most exciting thing, the dunk, more series of snapshots than a sequence.
in manga the action is slowed down, something like trying to get the ball in the air is shown as a big epic chase- something that's done in seconds, will be treated as an important action none the less.
And the speedlines- not just in the background, but the way characters will warp with them to depict speed. It's not something traditionally seen in American comics.
And then in terms of writing, American stories(even in sports movies) sees the plot driven between the game, where as manga uses the games to show character. It's stylized, because games are fast, but in manga they can slow down the action to see how a character's approach to getting a ball shows their personality through their playing style.
Or for an example, if an American show or movie wants to show a player being reckless or wild, they'll just show them drinking or partying after the game. If a manga shows a reckless player, it's through their technique while playing and allowing the characters to note that.
Unless you do that, American comic depictions of sports just won't be exciting enough.

>>149418412 (OP)
Sports manga is just an excuse for gay shit

>>149444561
Well, yeah, I'm a Jap soccer fag. I don't really care about manga and comics, actually.

>>149444858
And while it's not the same, since this is just a sequence and not a sports comic, this is how a basketball game is shown in American comics. There's some sequence, but it's largely just snapshots of big moments, without a moment by moment feel, very quick and fast.

>>149444875
depends. some are for fujoshis, some are for males.

>>149437628
That might be fun. A NFL team that are super heroes.

>>149444376
>>149444476
I think a lot of people assume sports manga appeals to sports fans, when in truth a lot of them work by making sports exciting to people who wouldn't be as invested in them. They're action stories.

>>149444858
Excellent analysis.

>>149445060
It's true. I don't watch basketball but I loved Slam Dunk.

>>149444533
Titles? Sounds interesting.

>>149444875
This. Free, Haikyuu, Yuri on Ice, Blue Lock, the successful sports anime are all just yaoi bait

>>149445551
Haikyuu and Blue Lock are not yaoi bait, the fuck are you talking about?
You might as well say that every action movie from the 80s and 90s was yaoibait because they featured in-shape dudes beating the fuck out of each other (often shirtless).

>>149446108
You cannot tell me the character designs in those shows weren’t made with the fujoshi audience in mind.
>m-muh muscle men 80s films!!!
Arnold Schwarzenegger didn’t look like an androgynous twink.

>>149446564
>Arnold Schwarzenegger didn’t look like an androgynous twink.
If those characters are your idea of an "androgynous twink" then I can only assume you're either an obese American or a zoomer retard.

>>149436659
You clearly don't understand fiction then if you say this.

>>149444858
I really wish comics had a more artistic approach to action like this. They kind of attempted something with decompression, but they didn't pull it off. Even the manga-influenced artists like DWJ and Tradd Moore don't have it.

>>149445590
Damn. What happened?

>>149443205
>soccer
im no longer interested in sports in comics/cartoons thanks for destroying this tiny spark i had when i entered this thread

>>149446606
>this long haired man with thick eyelashes and painted fingernails isn’t pandering to yaoifags at all
keep coping with your tranime.

>>149436659
Focus on the relationships between the players. Friendship having.

>>149447901
>has a meltdown because people enjoy CHADnime
Kek, imagine being such a sad bitch.
>>149445551
>>149446564
Funny how you didn't mention Slam Dunk.

>>149418412 (OP)
Because it is a cartoon? The characters can fucking fly if they flap their arms. Why would I invest in the stakes inherent to Sport, if they could win be ripping the screen off of itself like paper, and drawing themselves winning?

>>149446931
The Radiant comic author has it, but /co/ seethes at the mere mention of a white guy being good at doing manga

>>149447952
But why would people invest themselves in capeshit if the characters could win by ripping the screen off of itself like paper, and drawing themselves winning?

>>149447961
I think it's more that americans can't stand a frog beat them at making manga.

>>149447961
Not really. This is more of the big wacky action as opposed to the artful approach of manga. It doesn't have it either, despite it looking exactly like manga.

>>149448029
There are no stakes in Superhero media?

The good guy will always win. The bad guy will always lose.

>>149448033
Big action sure, wacky only in your eyes anon This is excellent action just like other famous shonen manga
I read this and I don't american comics so you can cope and seethe

>>149448105
I'm sorry, but it's lacking as well.
I think the fact that it's emulating battle shonen is part of the problem.

>>149418412 (OP)
They existed in newspaper strips for a time. Joe Palooka was a popular boxing comic. Actually one of the few remaining long running "soap opera" comics, Gil Thorp, is a sports/teen drama comic about a football coach.
Also in the UK they have a very successful comic called Roy of the Rovers about a soccer player, and probably others.

>>149448137
Battle shonen is never a problem
t. millions who love battle shonen.

Keep being wrong and supporting comics that don't sell though, hollywood money will keep your industry afloat anyway

>>149448137
>being part of the most popular genre out there enjoyed by billions of people is a problem
Is this seriously the state of /co/?

>>149418412 (OP)
no one reads comics

>>149448209
I read comics that look like this
not my fault they are 99% japanese and 1% french
americans should do better

>>149446931
The big problem with decompression is that it was lead by people who were used to the "snapshot" system. Instead of trying to decompress the snapshots, it's more like they stretched out those snapshots to more pages with less panesl.
A lot of the big decompressed comics are so visually dense. Authority is a "decompressed" comic but will have 4 panels of a detailed ship, a cityscape, a crowd of people, and a detailed closeup in the same page.
Manga decompression will have pages of just heads in different angles, arms and legs flying with no background but some speedlines, very light stuff, but done so because those pages are meant to move.
A lot of "rules" american comics get imposed on are just plain antagonistic to what makes manga readable to people. Rules like always needing backgrounds, always needing full figures, always showing the outfits, only showing anticipation or action. They're not bad ideas, but they're so hard set when there's other ways of approaching it.

>>149447961
Euro weebs tend to be more embarrassing than American weebs, so that's understandable.

>>149448330
nothing's more embarrassing than americans that seethe at non-americans having success

>>149444875

>>149448490
It is interesting Blue Box is close to 80% men. It seems like something that would appeal to women and men equally.

>>149448160
>>149448183
That's a nasty case of MPD you've got there.
It's a problem because it's much too reliant on big action, and someone copying it will inherit this reliance.
The pages that are posted constantly don't capture the more understated aspects of manga.
>Keep being wrong and supporting comics
I support manga.
>>149448257
That makes sense. Though it is harder to get away with because the pages in comics are bigger and longer. They'd need to clip the pages or bundle stories in anthology form or something.

>>149449101
I read manga myself and I have no idea what you are talking about, anon. I only see a comic with art that looks awesome, that looks cool and makes me want to read it, just like with other manga I enjoy. It sounds like you are grasping at bullshit because you don't want to accept I, and other manga readers, love this comic even though it's not japanese.

nerds don't write sports comic books
mangakas probably do because all sports have great westaboo appeal

>>149449274
>I have no idea what you are talking about
I figured.

>>149449613
No you didn't really. I told you what I'm reading and what I like to read. I'm not special, I'm quite the NPC in fact, I like popular series. The more you deny that's what you need if you want to attract readers, the more you will keep posting East vs West threads "why nobody reads western bullshit and why do you only buy manga"?

>>149448109
most of these don't look "cool". Which is a big issue. They're more like stories of the characters who play sports than cool sports action.

>>149446678
Explain.
>>149447913
Other genres already do this and better.

>>149449588
>>149449588
>mangakas probably do because all sports have great westaboo appeal
Probably not the case since there are manga about niche Japanese/Asian sports too

>>149449798
>I'm quite the NPC in fact
That's quite obvious.

>>149444875
>>149445551
You do realize that the most well-known sports manga author in Japan besides Inoue (Slam Dunk which is known for having appeal to men as well) is Mitsuru Adachi, who made like 7 baseball and boxing manga all focusing on heterosexual couples that are extremely mainstream? If you go to Japan and ask someone to name a sports manga author they would either name Inoue or Adachi. Stop trying to claim you know what you're talking about just based on chatter you've seen secondhand on social media.

>>149444924
Marvel already made that book in the 80's

>>149418412 (OP)
the west mentioned


God you're pathetic

You're just some guy from Idaho who probably has never seen an asian person in your life, stop trying to be anything more than yourself and maybe embrace your own culture instead of leeching on to Japanese culture like it's yours

Off topic thread
Anime is garbage

>>149454324
It's so strange to me that "the west" just became an accepted term to refer to America 90% of the time on this website, or by weebs in general.

>>149454393
Finally

some one who is making sense in this trainwreck

>>149420296
>Literally saw a golfing anime where a kid was near dying and was doing the "No, I can't let it end like this!" before swinging.

>>149418412 (OP)
Closest thing I remember was reading Matt Christopher books growing up

>>149444858
Great analysis. I wonder why American comics tend to not focus on the action itself so much. Is the fact that they're colored really that much of a factor?

>>149454324
Not Op but there is nothing wrong with desiring more variety in western comics.

>>149418412 (OP)
CHADnime and CHADnga have always had more interesting people working on it and are less stiff when it comes to portraying motion.
>>149444858
The best post itt. Very nice breakdown.
>>149445101
Kodoku no Gourmet

>>149418412 (OP)
CHADnime and CHADnga have always had more interesting people working on it and are less stiff when it comes to portraying motion.
>>149444858
The best post itt. Very nice breakdown.
>>149445101
Kodoku no Gourmet.

>>149455086
It's everything. The floppy format begets books that have to appear more or less fully formed and dense, plot and art wise, to distract from the fact that it's a flimsy 30-page installment that you won't see a continuation to in about a month. So it has to be filled with story, words words words, and full-color pictures with full backgrounds. No lingering shots, no lengthy action sequences, just cut to the chase. This works sometimes, but not most of the time. A fight sequence shouldn't have the same pacing as a page of talking heads.
Also, the American industry is a shit. The seem to enforce terrible comic-making procedures.

>>149455086
A large part of it is that American comic page counts tend to be smaller, even in OGNs you're really planning aroudn that hard page number. Those extended sequences in manga come from being installments with no set ending expected. I'm sure many cases it's to give some breathing room to write plot, but fans like it.
If you need to make a battle/game take place for multiple chapters,you have way more leeway.
Plus I think expectations for American comics tend to be for more story- and price probably has a part of that too. Manga is just cheaper overall than comics by a large margin. Big 500 page shonen jump books are barely $3. There's factors for that ofc, cheaper paper, no color, but the biggest will always be that they just plain sell so much they can sell for less and break even and then some.
You pay $3 for a SJ chapter light on plot to be a long fight sequence, and you still have other things to read, and it wasn't much of an expense anyway.
If you pay $5 for an American comic and just get minimal story and you can read it in a few minutes, it feels like it was overpriced.

>>149455655
>If you pay $5 for an American comic and just get minimal story and you can read it in a few minutes, it feels like it was overpriced.
Sadly, some comic readers believe that the solution is to make comics wordy like they used to be, not realizing that nobody but them and their grandpa wants that shit. Not even me, and I read novels every day.

>>149454393
It's because burgers are so obnoxious throughout the Internet that when people have an issue with the West they don't realize that most of the time it's a burger they're thinking about.

>>149418412 (OP)
Because I'm a 49ers fan and my sports team is already a comical mess.

>>149452399
If you want people to read non-japanese comics, insulting readers and dismissing what large sections of the population enjoy is not going to get people to read your comics.

Radiant is the only successful non-japanese manga out there. Manga readers read Radiant, but no other western comic. You can either learn from the author or you can keep making whiny threads on 4chan.

>>149455770
kek

>>149455673
Thing is, people would still gladly read the same amount of words across more pages, like they do with manga. It's a presentation thing, you need to let the lettering breath too.

>>149457536
Yeah

>>149418412 (OP)
The actual answer is that retards think a spokon series' main appeal is about the actual games and contests and thus go "durr why read about it when I can just watch it instead" when the actual appeal of spokon to anyone who's not a fujo is the sport being used as a vehicle for a character's personal growth.

>>149455624
The current style is the worst of both worlds. It's decompression stolen from manga but welded onto more traditional storytelling techniques so a lot of times you just get issues that are complete nothing. There's no actual storytelling or advancement like you'd get in a manga (especially as it's 20ish pages a month vs. 70-80 pages a month) and none of the dense and full storytelling you'd get out of, say, a Shooter era comic.

>>149459130
It really sucks balls. I wish they pumped money into learning how to do it properly, whatever the format.

east vs west troll threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=149418412

>>149418412 (OP)
Think it's just cause the games still doesn't have that many weeks,but i'm sure we'll get more poc characters soon enough