Shipping Culture comic storytime

Sure why not...

What the hell is this?

>>149421038
Let people ship how does if affect you

>>149421029 (OP)
>>149421038
>>149421049
>>149421065
>>149421076
>>149421087
>>149421101
The pink character lack male libido and the blue character is homosexual, both unrelatable.

>>149421065
I do sympathize with what the artist is saying but more in a generalist sense. As a writer an important skill you'll have to develop is ignoring the fans and this doesn't just apply to shipping. You wouldn't want fans to impact up coming plot beats because they were able to guess a plot point you were setting up like who the killer was or affect how you interprate a character because they they meme a minor aspect into being their most defining character trait in the general headcannon.

>>149421049
this isn't unreasonable.

>>149421159
>disrespectful
There's no respect warranted for imagined relationships.

This comic is gay but I agree with the pink thing. Death to yaoi/yuritards.

>>149421131
Maybe it’s just because I’m older and I don’t really hang out in those spaces anymore, but I haven’t seen people being pissy about the existence of straight ships in YEARS (except when the characters are canonically gay, which I think is fair to be annoyed about). Like I guess there must be a few "het is ew" pockets still out but nowhere as much as there used to be.

Shipping is for the mentally ill.

I'm not reading that shit

>>149421197
then leave or suck my balls.

>>149421186
Oh wait this is an excuse for some zoomer to whine about fucking proshipping Damn it, I was actually about to waste time genuinely engaging with this trash.

>>149421200
Watch it punk or else I'll oversexualize you!

>>149421186
>There's nothing wrong with it until you do something I don't like.
Fucking fruitcake.

>>149421200
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T SEXUALIZE THIS CHARACTER, IT MAKES ME FEEL ICKY.
What a chode.

I like how every image has TWO watermarks, as though somebody else is going to try to steal this dogshit and claim they made it.

>>149421186
>There's nothing wrong with shipping
True
>Until
And... I see now.

>>149421029 (OP)
Oh hey, it's this guy.

>wordswordswords trauma dump
no thanks

>>149421200
>WHY IS THE PORN ARTIST DRAWING PORN?!!!!!
Is this faggot for real?

>>149421216
>>149421226

Let's ship these two out of spite

>>149421087
>some characters are literally asexual
i can't think of even one

I only ship side characters I don’t think I’ve ever shipped a main character. Also I hate comic relief ships and anything with
Manlets and kids.

>>149421159
>>149421186
>>149421200
>I think you're insane to say I'm to blame for people's prudishness, as if pearl clutching hasn't been around for decades. I just wanna enjoy my porn without people being so disrespectful about it.

>There's nothing wrong with porn fanart, until it gets weird and you have coombrains + people who bash & harass others for simply not liking their kinks.
>Fetish wars and kink culture is toxic and chaotic, but you can be one of the good apples.
I'm confused by this "it's about porn, too" twist. Is it saying that gross, niche porn should not be discussed in public spaces because it bothers people?

>>149421382
Spongebob. He reproduces by budding.

>>149421029 (OP)
I came here to escape this fucking comic?

>>149421345

>>149421029 (OP)
This shit is made by a woman. Ignore.

>>149421382
gwenpool

>>149421382

Spongebob and .... *sigh* Alastor

>>149421200
Unless I'm missing something, this is directly contradictory to his message. He claims that shippers are the issue for creating ships and then starting autistic wars over them and that they should just keep it to themselves and enjoy their ship without getting onto anyone else, but then turns around and gives porn artists shit, despite them not harassing people who don't like porn. If anything, it's puritans that are constantly giving coomers shit just like he is right here.

>>149421197
don't worry I've got the tl;dr version

This is awesome.

why do all these people know how to do is "I AM SILLY" when they try to argue something?

>>149422245
not everyone has the self awareness to keep their shower thoughts in their head where they belong

>>149421187
Yes, it's because you're old.

It's insane how I can't find any western artists who just think shippers are annoying cunts without them inevitably devolving into bitching about porn or "problematic" people.
This is why I stick to Asian fanart.

>I AM SILLY

>>149421345

>>149422245
I think they are aware that they have no actual argument

>Stop doing things I don't like or you're a creep
Riveting stuff. This shit is way longer than it needs to be for being such a generic strawman argument.

Who would write these leftist walls of text for this inane bullshit? Who cares?
>it's a message written by a woman directed towards other women
oh now it makes sense

>>149421187
As someone that uses Xitter, I have indeed seen people be mad at the existence of straight ships. They push the idea that since the characters never confirmed that they're straight, the characters are actually bisexual, or they'll just straight up harass and bully you for liking anything other than yaoi or yuri ships. I've seen my fair share of both scenarios play out.

>>149421382
Todd and his bunny girlfriend/assistant from Bojack Horseman.

>>149421110
>fanfiction.net makes people homophobic
Thats a leap

>>149422913
Yeah. FF.net actually has fics that aren't about sucking cock and getting toxically, psychotically upset at the existence of straight people or stories about something other than 30 year old children projecting their politics and trauma onto their favorite anime characters or band for teenage girls.

Now, if the claim was "AO3 makes people homophobic" then that'd be 100% accurate because I've seen that happen in real time.

>>149422913
No, no, the comic's got a point. Seeing how utterly fucking insufferable fujoshits and yurifags would drive anyone who's not one of them to become homophobic

>>149422785
Oh right, I forgot for a second that most fandom bullshit have taken place on Twitter for the last ten years now. I don’t really use that site because I’ve never enjoyed the feeling of pounding nails through my dick so I wouldn’t have known.

>>149421286
wow foreal?

>>149421029 (OP)
People who post colored woobie templates should be raped
Go back to tumblr

>>149421200
The exact moment this person needed to be beaten to death with hammers

>>149422913
I'll be honest, seeing how utterly deranged yurifags and yaoifags are has definitely made me avoid any media with anything gay or seemingly gay in it when it comes to discussion.
It's especially true of yurifags on 4chan, those cunts are fucking nutcases and discussion for that shit is so bad that I've just filtered all yuri-related terms on both /a/ and /v/ because every single one of them is only ever attached to shitposts these days.
Even the /tv/ yurifags are fucking basket cases.

>>149423570
The only thing I ever see is the one schizo that shits his pants about yuri banter until the cows come home, with yaoi mysteriously ignored entirely.

I think you fags just take this shit too seriously.

>>149423667
Nah, you definitely don't browse /a/.
Entire shows will have discussion completely nuked thanks to the whims of one or two schizos.
I'm done with it, I just filter the shit nowadays since mods will never do their jobs, I'm not missing out on anything anyways.
Now, outside of 4chan all yurifags and yaoifags are annoying in general (as are most animation fans in general honestly), so I don't engage with them regardless.

WORDS WORDS WORDS

>>149423713
Yeah that would be this guy, he's been at it for a very long time and isn't contained to only /a/ anymore. Just further proof of my point that lunatics take shipping and dumb banter as if their life depended on the reputation of fictional characters.

>>149421065
If someone shipped two of my platonic characters together I'd be absolutely stoked that something I made inspired someone to create a derivative work that made them happy. People who make these retarded comics do not have the creator brain and it shows with the simple blob art style.

>>149423769
Yes, the deranged schizos are just annoying, I can't deal with the shit anymore, so I filter all of it.
Any of their favorite terms to spam go straight into my filter list these days, if it hits some other thread for some show, I don't care, I'm going to avoid that thread anyways since it'll probably be inundated with schizo shit.

>>149421038
i say this and look like this

Did I just read a schizo comic
>>149421200
Even his characters are afraid of them, fuck.

Always the women making crap like this, never men.

>>149421049
Why is this framed like there's something wrong with thinking like this

>>149421029 (OP)
Remember to always get consent before shipping your favorite characters.

>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

>>149421029 (OP)
Shipfags are cancer. Appealing to them always ruins whatever media you do it for.

The only thing I would ask as a creator is for people not to bother me with their ships or attack others for their ships, outside of that they can pair whoever the fuck they want.
You'd be surprised how many break that simple rule.

>>149422553
Cute bum

>>149423976
Nice tits

>>149423976
I feel like this could just be summarized as "Try to keep your characters in-character" without all the preachy bullshit.

>>149424391
I agree.
But I understand not everyone can perfect a character without added in their own bias, purposeful or not.
Sometimes you just want to see that grown ass man pregnant.

>>149421029 (OP)
Are there insane people out there who will harass you over art depicting a canonically gay character being shipped with a character of the opposite gender? Yes.

We all know how annoying those people can get, but it's equally as cringe to complain about people who ship two same- sex characters you see as platonic. It's just adding a layer on the shit cake.

>>149421186
>until it gets weird and you have proshippers
>people who bash & harass others

Proshipping literally means being anti-harassment... So which side are they on?

>>149424410
Where do the baby exit ? From the urethra or from the anus ?

>>149424568
By "proshippers" they mean "people who like ships I think are icky."

>>149424598
From the little femboy pregnancy porn I've seen on the subject, the anus.

>>149421029 (OP)
This whole things a real roller coaster:
Yeah, shipping all friendships as relationships is annoying when it takes over the general community discussion, and accusations of homophobia for disliking this is retarded
But at the same time, yeah getting so worked up over shipping is pointless, for either side here.
>>149421200
I don't even know what this is getting at, unless it's expressing annoyance at off-model, which I understand

>>149424733
>Born covered in shit
Imagine

>>149421049
>>149421065
Even in his own comic, with the way he's drawing them here, this makes him look like he's still the unreasonable one here.

>>149421233
Now make porn of Pink and Blue having sex!

>>149421029 (OP)
Shipping is just powerscaling for women.

>>149426182
I guess that explains the Japanese crowd being so anal on who tops and bottoms.

>>149424312
After seeing the creator of Mouthwashing catching shit because he told his fans to just block and ignore the people that ship the rapist and the raped, I don't think that works these days.

>>149426304
>Most popular pairing is the Rapist and his slab of meat BF.
Women are scary...

>>149424893
Babies are already born covered in blood, shit, and scraps of tortured uterus.

I feel bad for zoomers fujos desu.
Back in 2005, the most you had to deal with is underage bitching that NarutoxSasuke is retarded in the comment section of a dA page.

Now they're dealing with schizos who will legit stalk/harass them and publically shame them for just participating in trivial fangirl activity.
wtf happened to just ignoring shit you don't like.

>>149421038
>Skim profile
>This is actually a remake of another comic he did
>Basically the exact same thing, blue is bad because they make scary rape faces
Some people really do only have one niche.

>>149423570
To be fair, going retardly agressive after being targeted as "troon groomer number 1" makes sense.

>>149426398
I wonder how many people who repost that image actually know what that quote is about?

Pandering to shippers ruins shows.

>>149426590
CS Lewis would denounce faggotry, so it still works.

>>149426623
creators should stay off social media while their show is airing but they can't resist

>>149421049
I don't see why you would need to engage with someone past this point.
They didn't say anything unreasonable, honestly, and I don't even give a shit about shipping. At most you'd just say "alright, well.... have fun" and then move on.

>>149421200
Babe your comfort character *Does* eat shit directly from the butts of donkeys
Nothing will change this

>>149426515
I tried to find the source for this image and I found this shit. Am I supposed to disagree with the blue guy? He’s 100% correct, they’re fictional so who gives a fuck? And I’m saying this as someone who (correctly) thinks incestfags are a bunch of degenerates because as long as they’re keeping their degeneracy away from me, I don’t fucking care. I’m not trapped in a room with them, I can just block them and move on with my life.

>Artist can police what other grown ass adults do
>Makes a comic where they're the victim because of it
>Instead of just clicking a different tab or turning the computer off.

woman brain thread.

>>149426590
does it matter what it's "about" the quote still works

>>149427152
I'm actually surprised they put JOJO in here.

>>149427152
there are people who ship mario and luigi?

nothing wrong with shipping just don't be overzealous about it. same with people who force headcanons on others or spam ai or demand xyz representation or clutter boards with multiple threads

>>149426422
>dealing with schizos who will legit stalk/harass them and publically shame them for just participating in trivial fangirl activity
that's just crazy fandoms in general. the SU tumblrfags harassed a fanartist into a suicide attempt for just drawing connie's nose "too small"
moral of the story: like what you like but don't be crazy

>>149427415
That’s pretty normie in terms of incest ships.

>>149421286
I should know better than to trust X users on stuff like this, but given this dude's general demeanor yeah I totally buy it

>>149421110
Pink is a retard. Actually unhinged to say shipping a same-sex pairing causes homophobia

>>149427152
https://x.com/halosonhorns/status/1945484661251043436/

>>149427861
oh my

>>149421029 (OP)
I'm not sure I want to take relationship advice from this guy...

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>>149427974
>Black
Explains so much.

>>149427974
>>149427966
Why are antis always such awful fucking people?

>>149422825
>Someone can be be A)s exual or B) asexual and be A) romantic or B) aromantic. As for me, see B A.

One of his best bits.

>>149427966
seems strange that this person is trying to police what ships people can like even though it's all fiction

First time I've seen one of these where both the artist's avatar and the strawman are amazingly obnoxious.

>>149421200
Holy shit and i thought fuckers here needed to get laid

Fucking over shippers is easy. All you have to do is just not put their characters together. All they are there for is to play dolls with their favorite characters and make them kiss. So just do the opposite of what they would. They will bitch but in the end they don’t care about the media outside of their own ability to play folks with it.

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>>149427974
I'll give it 2 years and he gets cancelled for being an asshole at best, being a groomer at worst.

>>149427966
>>149427974
based

>>149421222
>proshippers?
The fuck is that?

this is fucking cringe
crackshippers don't deserve respect, FUCK fujos
>>149421200
If he's talking about some /d/ CUBED/horse zelda shit I'd understand, but if he's talking about off-model big titty bitches, that tail's getting ripped out of his ass

>>149427966
lol, what a piece of shit. He has some nerve moralfagging to anyone.

>>149428562
To put it into simple definitions, an "Antishipper" is someone who goes out of their way to stop/cancel people producing content for ships they find problematic (or just don't like). "Proshippers" are the opposite, they generally support the idea all shipping is okay, regardless of it being problematic (or that they don't like it).

For example, an antishipper may try to shut down people talking about Dipper/Mabel (from Gravity Falls if you don't know) content, because it's incestual, Mabel's abusive, they don't like those stupid names - whatever. A proshipper, even if they don't personally ship Dipper/Mabel - and they might - would be okay with other people doing it.

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>>149427152
oh, he's a child diddler.

>>149427884
me getting his cookie stolen

>>149428562
It depends on who you ask. The people who call themselves proshippers say it means that they are "pro shipping" aka "People should ship whoever and whatever they want because shipping is fun". The other group say it’s short for "PROblematic shipping" aka it’s specifically about ships that have problematic elements like the characters being related or having an age gap or being underage. Both groups are kinda annoying desu, but the people who whine about "proshippers" tend to be massive virtue signaling moralfags and are way, way, WAY more obnoxious than the other group.

>>149427263
If you're completely missing the meaning then it's not going to work. Unless the only goal is to post something and get replies, in which case words aren't actually needed at all.

>>149428318
Or, alternatively, they can just do, I don’t know, the smart thing and just not give a fuck. It’s like you autists forget that we aren’t really in the same room together, but on the internet, where at any moment any of us can just close the tab and fuck off to whatever corner of the internet that you feel like.
Here’s a quick incest pro-ship or whatever you gonna call it loud house sketch that I’m currently working on. What are you gonna do about it, bitch boy?

>>149428921
I'm going to thank you for putting Luan in it

>>149428921
>Or, alternatively, they can just do, I don’t know, the smart thing and just not give a fuck
did not even need to read the entire post to agree
its fucking drawings

>>149421076
Accurate

>>149428943
No problem, but it was just the initial sketch, and I’ve already switched Luan for Lynn jr - I’m more of a Lynn and Luna gang, other sisters just don’t have that “oomf” appeal. I can’t even imagine that some have attraction to leni - she is a complete retard in adult body, but to each their own…

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>>149421076
>irrationally accuses red of being homophobic while their background and eyes go scary
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>>149421131
>turns out to be right
I feel like red is intended to be in the right in this conversation, which just makes the person writing this a fucking dipshit
>>149421200
>NSFW artist
>oversexualize
wat?
>>149421216
Just fuck already

>>149421038
This is where I usually get off when these cunts appear. Ignoring their lomg winded complaints and justifications gets me hard.

>>149426623
>Pandering to shippers ruins shows.
Depends on the show. Plenty of shows would have had much better endings if they'd pandered to (all the) shippers. We need more harem endings.

>>149426304
>everyone dies
>shipping
That's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I get fanfiction is a thing, but if you have to stray that far away from the story, you might as well get a new story.

>>149429113
Granted they were stuck on that ship for months so its possibly to have romance and sex in-between the loneliness of never being rescued.
Heck, sex is the reason everything got fucked.

i hate this art style so much. You can tell the artist is 16

>>149426627
From 'Surprised by Joy: The Shape of My Early Life' ([1955] 1966) by C. S. Lewis, pp. 87-88 and 109-110:

>A Tart is a pretty and effeminate-looking small boy who acts as a catamite to one or more of his seniors, usually Bloods. Usually, not always. Though our oligarchy kept most of the amenities of life to themselves, they were, on this point, liberal; they did not impose chastity on the middle-class boy in addition to all his other disabilities. Pederasty among the lower classes was not "side", or at least not serious side; not like putting one's hands in one's pockets or wearing one's coat unbuttoned. The gods had a sense of proportion.

>The Tarts had an important function to play in making school (what it was advertised to be) a preparation for public life. They were not like slaves, for their favours were (nearly always) solicited, not compelled. Nor were they exactly like prostitutes, for the liaison often had some permanence and, far from being merely sensual, was highly sentimentalised. Nor were they paid (in hard cash, I mean) for their services; though of course they had all the flattery, unofficial influence, favour, and privileges which the mistresses of the great have always enjoyed in adult society. [...]

>In his unnatural love-affairs, and perhaps only there, the Blood went a little out of himself, forgot for a few hours that he was One of the Most Important People There Are. It softens the picture. A perversion was the only chink left through which something spontaneous and uncalculating could creep in. Plato was right after all. Eros, turned upside down, blackened, distorted, and filthy, still bore the traces of his divinity.

>>149424391
>Try to keep your characters in-character
Eh, that's not really the same thing. It might be in character for a character to violate consent.

Although, to be frank, try to keep your characters in-character is probably better advice. That and try to write characters that would both pursue and require active consent unless you have a reason to write a character differently.

It's worth keeping in mind that "yes means yes" is a very modern take on sexual relations and despite the practical/ethical/legal/social reasons for it, some perfectly well meaning people still just practice "no means no" due to generational/social divides. If you're writing characters that aren't in a modern setting or a setting with equivalent etiquette, it may make more sense to not go with affirmative consent unless you're choosing to for the sake of your audience.

>>149429140
i hate 16 year olds. 13 and under please

>>149428921
Or I can and say that you’re a faggot that likes to play with dolls and cries when his favorite dollies don’t get treated the way you want in the show. What will you do? Cry about it? It wouldn’t be the first time, the zutarafags will keep you company.

>>149429378
You can, and that’s okay. It’s all about perspective: one can see it as playing with dolls while others view it as their self expression and symbol of their personal affection. And both sides will be correct.
The most retarded part is when one side of the dialogue starts to act like their position is the hot shit and disregard any other opinions on the matter as incorrect.

>>149429113
The niggas that ship Jimmy and Anya have a rape fetish. It's not that deep, but it's basically an abyss for late zoomers.

We can improve webcomics with violent boy rape, even if the author objects to it

>>149429504
This is a cope and you know it. You’re try to make it seem like what I’m saying isn’t bugging you while making the whole thing subjective. But if that were the case you never would have engaged in the first place.
>as their self expression and symbol of their personal affection
It’s expressing yourself in the most shallow and childish way possible because you’re just projecting your own feelings onto characters and making them act how you want with complete abandon for how they would behave normally. And personal affection? Is this a self insert thing as well.
>The most retarded part is when one side of the dialogue starts to act like their position is the hot shit and disregard any other opinions on the matter as incorrect
In layman’s terms this is you attempting to make a copout saying how both can be right despite both being contradictory to each other. And you have to say that any one that disagrees with you is retarded. Why the passive aggressive shit? Just say it outright? Do you need plausible deniability? Because you’ll just end up dropping the facade anyway?

>>149429600
I think Trey and Park would approve of this because they're filthy fudanshis.

>>149421029 (OP)
For me, i don't even bother to ship characters I like at all, I just have them force themselves on each other for no reason or get raped by their enemies or another external party (e.g. random ugly bastards). It avoids any drama

>>149429603
Anon, you do realize the vast majority of shippers don't care about the characters they ship and just like them for aesthetics. The person you replied to probably just thought that lincoln looked ht with luna and lynn and didn't put any actual thought into it beyond that point.

In fact, incest basically mandate you turn the characters ooc since most normal people do not have romantic interest in their family members.

>>149429687
>incest basically mandate you turn the characters ooc since most normal people do not have romantic interest in their family members
1 in 10 marriages worldwide are between 1st or 2nd cousins. Never confuse cultural norms with norms for a species.

>>149429193
Can someone give a rundown on what he is trying to say here other than how there were child serfs to other students in classical education that were sometimes molested? What is the conclusion he is drawing to about that

>>149429687
>Anon, you do realize the vast majority of shippers don't care about the characters they ship and just like them for aesthetics
Yes, that’s why I consider it playing with dolls.

>>149422985
>then that'd be 100% accurate because I've seen that happen in real time.

now you got to tell me some stories

>>149429722
>1 in 10 marriage worldwide are between 1st or 2nd cousins
I'm pretty sure fucking your literal sister is more extreme than your cousin

>never confuse cultural norms with norms for a species.
1 in 10 is not the majority, so I was in saying MOST normal people don't fuck their siblings

Also, the vast majority of those marriages come from third-world countries that have those cultures, usually the ones with polygamy. Which obviously doesn't apply to western media.

>>149429603
I wouldn’t call it a cope because whatever you write, at the end of the day I’ll have my position and you’ll have yours. And it doesn’t really matter what you or me write here. And I have decided to reply because I have a render cooking and have nothing to do in the meantime + perhaps I’ll be able to learn something new from your perspective.

> childish, self-inserting etc.
Shallowness and selfishness are extremely subjective terms which can be manipulated to retarded extremes. For example: I have audience that gobbles up my art and is pretty pleased with that because it resonates and satiates their personal tastes. Is it selfish to help people with similar tastes, while quenching my own thirst? One can argue that any work of fiction is an act of selfishness, because it abides to wishes and desires of the author first and foremost.

>contradictory

How the fuck do those positions contradict? Any fan work can be both interpreted as playing with dolls and self expression. Actually, any work of fiction can be interpreted in that way, because be it fan or the original author, both manipulate not real people, but imaginary characters that behave however the fuck the author wants them to without any connection to how real people may or may not react. Yeah, sometimes fans can get carried away and manipulate characters in a way that original author would never allow them to, but it doesn’t contradict original position in any way: it’s a make-believe play and self-expression.
> need plausible deniability
I don’t need any deniability. I personally don’t give a fuck what anyone would say about my works - I feel like making character do this or that and I make that happen. There will always be retarded purists that will say that I break some imaginary rules or something.
There’s no facade to that. It’s all very simple - like eating or drinking. I want. I do. That’s all there is to that.

>>149421200
I need nfsw of this bitch PRONTO

>>149429817
>I'm pretty sure fucking your literal sister is more extreme than your cousin
Sure, mathematically, but at this point you're just negotiating where the line should be

>1 in 10 is not the majority, so I was in saying MOST normal people don't fuck their siblings
>Also, the vast majority of those marriages come from third-world countries that have those cultures, usually the ones with polygamy. Which obviously doesn't apply to western media.
That obviously wasn't your initial point.

Also how many seasons did The Flash get?

These comics are insane because they can't even strawman right. The other person is being completely reasonable and the only argument against them is "but *I* don't like it!" and somehow the conclusion you're supposed to come away with is that the author is the victim and the hero for vilifying the other person, when literally all they want to do is be left alone with their weird stuff.

>>149429378
nothing more cringe than taking fanon seriously instead of sucking it up and ignoring it

>>149428921
It looks like the clown girl who replaced Harley Quinn. I don’t remember her name right now but you know who i mean

>>149429860
If everyone understood you shouldn't kink shame, nobody would kink shame, except for those weirdo foot fetishists.

>>149429600
Is this south park?

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>>149429860
If someone was making shitty stuff off my work, I as the creator have the right to dislike it and express it. It is a double edge sword. The creator can be okay about it or not. The whole concept of private property and art is for everyone is solely dependent the situation.

>>149429873
No, I really don’t. I’m not a fan of DC or marvel or even comics in general

>

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>>149429885
this is how I see fanon fag shippers in shounen
creepy pedophiles who feel victimized for not wanting to publicly ship two teenage boys/girls together
it is creepy and you just need to deal

>>149429887
>If someone was making shitty stuff off my work, I as the creator have the right to dislike it and express it
This conversation isn't about rights at all.

>>149429600
Based. Free will is one hell of a drug. And we should abuse it as much as possible.

>>149421133
I don't think its a writer i think its just another fan of the media in question trying to enjoy it then getting perverts and fetishists busting down the door. There are times I'd like to be able to discuss 2 characters and their relationship dynamic without it immediately becoming a romantic/sexual entanglement even if just because that immediately biases the discussion. As a random example, Look Outside (game) has a camera monster dude called Lyle who is an actual stalker of the protag and, if you look past the UwU nice boy shit he's a disgusting person. But since he's a dude crushing on the PC, who is also a dude, all the fujo fucks immediately ignore that he will try to steal your fucking soul if he feels like it because muh gaybois.
That being said anyone being this dedicated and performative about it also probably has some fucking issues as evidenced demonstrated in this image >>149421286

Homo shippers are annoying so i will just keep disliking them regardless.

>>149429780
>Have nerd friends
>Early 2000s to 2010s, everyone knows tumblr's a lil bit of a shithole, but wokefaggotry has not yet gone insane so most of us are like, broadly center left by the standards of the time.
>Except the one rich as fuck actual fag who eventually trooned out who is still pretty die hard ultrarightwing but that's complicated.
>There's also that one who's like...."Fascism Might Makes Right morality but it's glazing Globohomo?" IDK desu he used to be less weird, he's actually the more embarrassing australian than the one who's obsessed with Toku and has no filter.
>Anyway gigantic nerds, /a/ shit, /lit/, /m/, /tg/, /v/, /co/, etc, basically a collection of Venn diagrams on those spectrum
>Have long waded through FF.net, mastered its subsystems and learned its site culture to find appealing fics, learn to short the chaff, it's pretty easy since the limited definition options for shit like pairings and site culture scorns retards just enough to encourage an improve or die mentality. So blocking the most common fag pairing
>Other than that, forums for more reliable precurated fics too.
>AO3 is becoming the big new site, time is advancing.
>I could legit give an entire college course on the societal and cultural factors creating differences between early fanfic slop, middle era slop, and modern era slop btw
So we try to move to AO3
>Tag system is a fucking disaster, lazy moderators, improper usage, and a hugbox site culture combined with dogshit UI means finding what you want or successfully sorting out what you don't want is objectively impossible. >Remove m/m? Still get fag shit.
>On FF.net and fandoms during its heyday, those fags still got mocked and were pressured to have legs or relevance or die, basically just like everyone else.
>Ao3? hugboxed and zero pressure to properly ID, because "Muh homophobia", let alone improve or have a plot
cont.

>>149421029 (OP)
Retarded and schizophrenic. Why are w*men like this

>>149429723
He's saying that rich and powerful fucks solicited young boys for companionship/sex so they could occasionally forget their station and its politics to feel like a somewhat normal person. That even when love is so perverted, warped, and abused there is still some fragments of it within.
There is no conclusion drawn, just statements made

>>149429949
Makes sense, thanks anon

>>149429900
oof yikes fr fr won't somebody think of the heckin imaginary teenagers? it's icky and problematic af to say teens could be in a relationship and not a wholesome friendly ship. Those diddy ahh proshippers need to unalive themselves fr fr

>>149429925
Fuck, fragmented
>So blocking the most common fag pairing or character usually purges 99% of them, and putting in a preferred straight pairing will solve the rest.
There, anyway, continuing, and because it's relevant:
>Fags and most women who fetishized them are, objectively, terrible at writing fanfiction unless shamed and abused into improving. They can write lemons...eh...probably alright, I guess? Fagporn doesn't interest me, but everything else?.
>99.9% Coffee AUs, A/B/O fics, "What if weird trend AU" shit, and it's almost always centered on their favorite fag pairing being used for emotional porn and drain circling, plotless trauma therapy
>When it's not, well to use an example from a heavily "Post-Tumblrization" fandom, My hero Academia
>AU but they're college age because it's icky [they still act and are treated like teenagers], random shitty headcanons making random characters special needs or gay even when it's not relevant, infact, being gay or trannies will be the only thing relevant about them and take up screen time. Zero ambition or interest in anything but the most basic plot variations. Like even the Narutofags and Potterfags dared to ask what if the tournament arc was completely different or if he won a fight that he stalemated or lost in , expressing a basic interest in thinking about how the plot worked and why it happens how it does. The comparative arc in MHA basically is always identical almost word for word to a degree even the most railroaded of Wave Arcs never was. There's also in general a poorer understanding of character dynamics and how things affect people. Even the most retarded of 13 year olds for example, would think about how swapping a character's sex could change an entire dynamic, not really in Ao3, because unlike FF.net, nobody would call you a fag and tell you to die if you were shit and retarded on Ao3.
cont.2

>>149429819
It is a cope because you’re trying to make it seem like you don’t care about this and that no matter what you will be secure in your position but if that were actually the case the again. You wouldn’t need to say this. People that feel like how you say you do don’t need to do any of this. You’re trying to compensate for the fact you can’t actually argue anything I’ve said and are trying to create a copout scenario.
>have decided to reply because
Again a cope, you could have done literally anything else, even replied to another person or gone to another thread in the mean time. You need to do this because you don’t like what I have done but due to being unable to argue it you have to attempt to foster an air of calm in order to make yourself and by proxy your position look more reasonable.
>Shallowness and selfishness are extremely subjective terms which can be manipulated to retarded extremes
I see I struck a nerve with that one. And they’re not subjective give they have clear meaning and match what you’re doing. As another anon said you don’t care about the characters you’re just using them from a purely aesthetic standpoint they are dolls to you.
>Is it selfish to help people with similar tastes
You’re not doing it for them but yourself. It simultaneously feeds you ego and give you an excuse to play with your dolls. You need to present it as some kind of service in an attempt to make yourself look better. Rather narcissistic.
>How the fuck do those positions contradict
Because it’s utterly shallow like I said, you’re not actually expressing emotion but projecting what you want onto the characters. It’s not about art or creativity but you getting your dick hard.
>I don’t need any deniability. I personally don’t give a fuck
Again you wouldn’t be doing this if that were the case. Remember people that don’t care don’t need to say how much they don’t care.

>>149429872
>nothing more cringe
I can think of something, desperately telling people to ignore your faggotry while being unable to defend it.

>>149429969
This mindset has backfired on them because now there’s 17 year olds having mental breakdowns because the characters they kin are underage, and they’ll be turning 18 soon.

>>149429900
Good job agreeing with a sexual predator

>>149429899
Amogus porn

>>149429993
there was a really funny tumblr crashout where somebody turned 18 and thought you were a minor until 21 and had a giant meltdown and deleted all their stuff. These tumblr weirdos have built their whole identity on being minors and building up the idea of being a minor as some kind of untouchable internet superpower and when they lose that it breaks their brains.

There was a post on twitter where somebody was talking about throwing away a body pillow because the character was 16 when the owner became 18 and this was presented as something heroic and brave and not weird and pathetic.

>>149429975
>And yeah, shipping. There's a point where FF.net almost needed another tag for JUST Fem!Haku for example that narrowly didn't get made for the sake of fics shipping Haku-but-actually a chick, for example, and that was a super niche straight pairing. You can still find a decent chunk of them if you know where to look even after like 5873 purges of the archives catching strays.
>If it's not gay, you will struggle to find anything other than the most milquetoast of pairings.
>And purging the gay, is as I mentioned, nearly impossible.
>Imagine looking for something to read to kill time.
>You scroll through hundreds of fics in a terrible bloated UI
>Telling which ones are regularly updated is nearly impossible by design
>Every single one is bloated with dozens of tags, some of which are redundant, others do nothing, and also it's definitely missing some it actually needs.
>You use the filters to narrow things down
>The situation does not change
>Fagshit
>Fagshit
>Fagshit
>Yurishit [at the time, more tolerable, yuritardation had yet to infect those circles much]
>Fagshit
>Then you find something. Updated recently, as far as you can tell, 20k+ words so you're covered for the lunch hour.
>It's even a pairing that is nominally interesting
>12k words in theplot has not moved except slowly along rusted rails, pairing you were here for broke up in favor of fagshit, 6 other characters are gay and only here to tell you how much buttsex they're having, slowing the plot.
>Try again, maybe you haven't learned the system yet. Don't even hate fags, just the writing is always so bad 90% of the time
>Fagshit, fagshit, fagshit
>Realize that due to internet publicity, AO3 has become the hyperdominant platform
>FF.net and other enclaves however can't flood it and drown out and improve its site culture in an Eternal September even because it's being reinforced from Tumblr and Twitter ecosystems who just discovered fanfiction and are eager to feed.
Cont.3

>>149430011
>New fandoms are forming their internal cultures on the foundation of AO3's where you just be gay and get infinite praise, oppose this or critique quality and be lynched.
>Every fandom is going to be like this from now on.
>You can't find shit to read.
>No discussion will happen outside of sealclapping for the next episode or gay shipping or things used to support that.
>Search for fics?
>Fagshit
>Unfilterable, omnipresent. Choking out the majority of storytelling
>Faggotry Forever, Everywhere.
>A friend of mine realized this. Fond of gays, marched in a pride parade once, voted blue in like 2008. Worst swear I ever heard from her was a "Damn."
>We used to do this thing where we'd just randomly trawl fics with our friends for something to recommend to read later when we had the time.
>Deadsilence for 10 minutes of searching one day, before a "Oh this looks good"
>barely any time later.
>"Fucking faggots FUCK! Another fucking asshole sucking fake out oh my fucking God FUCK."
>Unironic meltdown for like 12 minutes because of SUPRISE! Unlabeled faggotry relationship swap excuse plot out of nowhere unprompted in what looked to be an alright fic
>7th one this week apparently
>Spends the next 10 minutes calling our gay friend a fag and telling him to bring "Writing for retards" and a powerpoint on proper organization and labeling to his next "Anal cancer and Aids appreciation meeting" at the Fudgepacker's Union.
>"Queer fuckules" and "Byzantine bottom bitch" got bandied around a bit

Was by far the most explosive of the bunch but by the end of it I honestly think the fag trooned out because they were sick of faggotry too, unironically.

>>149429977
Are you retarded or something? Did your keyboard stuck on “cope” shortcut?

Coping is an attempt to cover or justify something. I and people like me do what they do because they feel like it - and there is no need any justification for that. And those that try to justify it are idiots and apologists.

Again, almost any human action can be described as selfish, because almost everything that human does, he does for themselves. There’s nothing wrong with that - it’s just nature of every living creature. And about shallowness - there I am a bit lost. projecting personal feelings about any characters in form of their actions towards each other can be considered self-expression. Self-expression doesn’t have to be extremely intricate or that deep - it can be simple, unrealistic, or even vulgar. Yeah, it can be considered childish, impulsive and even, as you write, selfish, but where’s shallowness in that? Not everything has to have intricate metaphysical depth.

I reply because I still have a lingering feeling that I may learn something from it. Even though replying to you is a bit like talking to a wall, some self-reflection of what I wrote helped me to formulate my personal standing on the matter. Or is it cope? Are you cope?

>>149421110
Imagine making up a gay strawman to fight with and in the end it's you who ends up looking like a faggot

>>149423976
>it is the responsibility of the creator
T. Faggot

>>149424893
Sorry anon but they already do. Women shit when they push out the baby. Most women don't realise it though as the nurses hide it before she sees a lot of the time and shes more focused on pushing the baby out.

>>149428470
Already happening

>>149430073
You'll have an easier time finding good fics on Spacebattles, forumGODS stay winning

>>149430495
True but SB's moderators are increasing schizophrenic and insane, particularly the lolcow that is Qygibo. They aren't quiet Sufficient Velocity-tier retards but the line between "You can ONLY question our mod decisions or the like in the Special Fun Box where we're not subject to public scrutiny, and we mysteriously find ourselves to basically always be in the right and will punish you for pissing us off" and Ford and co.'s gay lawyer LARP that they openly disregard at will in the name their own seething is pretty thin.

Like if they could connect this post to an existing SB account it'd be considered grounds to ban said account because of how the current crop of mods have tortured and reinterpreted their own rules on top of giving themselves the right to ban people for their behavior on other sites violating their rules if they catch you.

>>149421286
Lol

>>149424598
Here's a shart.

I'm old enough to remember back in the day where nobody gave a fuck about how "problematic" a ship was, it was simply just "IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY SHIP DON'T LIKE DON'T READ" and "IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY SHIP YOU'RE WRONG".
Take me back. I hate the ridiculous faggot shit the shipping community has become now.

>>149426590
What is it actually about then?

>>149430746
not him but since this is c.s. lewis, probably about someone commenting on his friendship with alice liddell, a little girl, being weird

>>149421122
Good reaction image.

>>149428921
>that mess
damn bitch, you sketch like this?

>>149430770
never mind i'm retarded
disregard this, i suck cocks

>>149427152
Is this loss?

>>149427517
Yeah. Shame on the ones that redesign them as non mustached anime boys though. Cowards.

>>149430773
Yeah… later on I clean all that shit but yeah, I gotta work on consistency and stop scribbling like an absolute moron. My alma mater usually fucked up the ass anyone who tried pulling that shit. “One line one thought”. And I completely agree with them, but than again, I was among the weakest students…

>>149421216
>>149421226
>>149421233
I’m kinda surprised brought these last few parts up, I mean I get it’s part of his gimmick of always having his comics turn dark at the end, but…do you ever think “Blueberry” and “Raspberry” and nothing more than slaves to HoH’s power as their creator? Nothing more than his toys, and I like to imagine if anything, he always comes out of nothing freaking out time and time again, just to erase their memories and repeat the cycle.

Like imagine it turns out that school shooter wizard is just a slave too, forced to kill for his own sake?
Like animator vs animation but evil I guess and the animator is a pedo

>>149424733
Femboy cloaca?

>>149421131
>>149421110
That got real stupid real fast
Yeah, shippers can be annoying, but that's not causing homophobia you fuckin' terminally online weirdo
>That feels disrespectful to the characte-
They're not fucking real

All shippers are autist weirdos that joined the "shipper community" because they don't HAVE a community themselves. Expecting normal functional people is silly.

>>149430879
>school shooter wizard
The what? That sounds too stupid to take seriously but I also can’t see someone who whines about proshippers playing it as a joke either.

>>149427152
Now draw the blue one raping the pink one

>>149421029 (OP)
One panel in and I can already tell this person is going to passive aggressively play victim.
>>149421038
And yep. The artist is here to say, any person shipping their characters, is a total disgusting freak who turns more into a molesting monster every second they do it.
Fuckin prissy bitch. Some guy thinks your character is gay, oh no!

>>149421101
Fair

>>149421029 (OP)
>Made a comic about rape bad
>Makes new comic about shipping and porn bad
>Had a 14 year old Discord Kitten he sex role plays with and shares porn with
lol
lmao

>>149421110
Oh! What a fucking awful ability to represent his argument, this guy has!

>>149421159
Decades?

>>149421186
This guy is doing all the bashing himself. He’s alone in this comic, just bashing a type of shipper. And it’s hilarious he plays like he’s a ‘good apple’ yet it took him only about 8 panels from 0 to say homophobia is a rightful response to the culture and relationship-destroying perversions inherent in homosexuality. All in defense of… him liking that some fictional characters are friends. Like launching a nuke because another kid is playing toys differently than you
It’s homophobia. He pretty much point by point described the ideation

>>149421200
Samefagging in his own comic? Just a fucking panel that replies to the last, and says ‘true! And your porn is disgusting too!’ How goofy

>>149421233
His point is ‘quit being freaks’ and if he just said that plainly everyone would understand and clap

>>149421441
Yeah p much lol. Kids getting mad at the other kids because He-Man wouldnt 69 Barbie like that

>>149421029 (OP)
I disagree with both characters

>>149422433
Nigga annoying people exists no matter the country
Quit thinking asian people are special cuz you watch anime and jerk off to hentai

>>149421440
Theyre saying big boob edits are gross but big butt edits are heckin valid

>>149422785
I just write them off as weird and leave them to it, but a lot of people out there can’t handle that and feel the need to match the behavior of the people they hate in retaliation. Frankly, being a bitch is it’s own hobby to these people, so they subliminally flock to one another because when they meet someone making pissy bombastic demands, inside they know they’re actually meeting ‘their people’

>>149421029 (OP)
>Words words words words, words words - words words words: Words words; words words; words words. Words words!
Jesus Christ, if you want to write a novel write a novel, stop treating a visual medium as a nonvisual one.

corniest and most cringe shit i've ever read with twitterina artstyle to boot, kill yourself and do a favor to humanity.

>>149429925
>I could legit give an entire college course on the societal and cultural factors creating differences between early fanfic slop, middle era slop, and modern era slop btw
I would actually be really interested in hearing more about this.

>>149430542
Art...
This is art...

>>149421029 (OP)
Someone post the school shooter wizard comics this imp did.
They're so dogshit, its hilarious how the bastard thinks he's making a point with these.

>>149421122

Me when im horny and she's says that "im not in the mood tonight"

>>149421133
I absolutely agree. A creator must learn to ignore the fans. This doesn't mean to be rude with them, just to not let their input change the story you planned to tell, to alter the dynamics you planned to show.

>>149421382
Perry the Platypus is asexual/aromantic.

>>149421122
Me when my female dog won't get out of my way.

>>149421200
so like
is there porn of this thing yet

>>149421200
>oversexualize characters in gross ways
I wonder how one would ethically sexualize characters in a non-gross way.

>I AM SILLY!

They keep doing it.

>>149430112
>Coping is an attempt to cover or justify something. I and people like me do what they do because they feel like it
Which is what you’re doing and I even pointed out how you were doing it and all you can do is call it retarded to, well cope. You tried saying it was about expression, I explained how that was wrong, and you have nothing, then I called out how you tried saying you were doing a service and you have again, nothing.
>almost any human action can be described as selfish, because almost everything that human does, he does for themselves
Not really, you’re using this as a copout because you can’t argue how you’re not doing this for selfish reasons.
>there I am a bit lost. projecting personal feelings about any characters in form of their actions towards each other can be considered self-expression
It’s not, it’s utterly shallow and is less about making something and more about you just wanting to make your dolls kiss and fuck as you see fit. But you can’t admit that because then you would look like a pervert.
>can be simple, unrealistic, or even vulgar can be considered childish, impulsive and even, as you write, selfish, but where’s shallowness in that
Are you really asking where is the shallowness in a grown man acting like a child? And doing the writing equivalent of playing with dolls while not engaging with the characters at all outside of his superficial aesthetic interest in them? Are you playing ignorant now to turn this into a battle of attrition?
>I reply because I still have a lingering feeling that I may learn something from
You reply because you’re compelled to because what I said bruised your ego. You need to project an image of being rational and open minded but you can’t actually engage with what I am saying and instead have to create copious and excuses. You’ve done no self reflection since you’re still in the same place you were where you started you just keep shifting copes.

>>149428562
I was under the impression proshippers are basically those who ship whatever.
It can be something as relatively normal as a 5 year age gap, or something more problematic like incest or straight up pedophilia.

>>149433548
You seem very submissive and breedable today Mr.Perry

Gen Z are just total prudes for some reason.

>>149421216
They're making contact! I ship them.

>>149433842
Maybe dedicated a whole month to pride was a bad idea?

>>149433842
Almost like they were groomed since birth...

The only good shipping is shipping a character with a self-insert OC

>>149434366
>>149434381
Nah they just shouldn't have been allowed unfiltered internet access.

>>149421216
>>149421226

Poor guys even they are annoyed at the artist

>>149421110
this nigga must be hulk by the way he's leaping

>>149426590
It's about how Freudians are retards who have an unhealthy obsession with sex.

All that to say fandoms are shit

>>149435658
We didn't survive without straight people having brainless monkey sex.

>>149429925
>>149433145
Seconding this

>>149430011
>>149430073
Isn't A03 full of gay shit because FF.net tried purging that stuff ages ago and they had to make their own site?
This is like walking into a male gay bar and wondering where all the women are.

>>149436501
Close. FFN actually enforcing their "no porn" rule for a brief time in 2012 and deleting a lot of fics was what pushed a lot of people to AO3, or so I remember.

>>149430073
>telling him to bring "Writing for retards" and a powerpoint on proper organization and labeling to his next "Anal cancer and Aids appreciation meeting" at the Fudgepacker's Union.
holy fucking kek

>>149433842
"Fiction affects reality"

>>149436898
Fiction rights are human rights!

>>149433842
It honestly depends of the state where they're from, its the factor that determines they are a faggot or a resonable person.

>>149421286
rape storytime

>>149437494

>>149437509

>>149437527

>>149421065
>platonic
>not romantic
that word has lost all meaning hasn't it?

>>149437549

>>149421286
Getting outted as a pedo by twitter community notes is another level of humiliation.

>>149437556

>>149437556
Wouldn't that blob having a key mean he was given consent.
You just don't give your rapist a key.

>>149431160
Yeah he made a kid who was a wizard but got bullied and shit, so he dealt with his bullies at school with a gun, which in his eyes was a wand.

There were sequels where a cyberbully bullied him too leading to the wizkid to go to his home and kill him and his family.

OoOoOo, Edgy!

Kinda like if the wizkid was forced to or force a horrific erasure by hoh, aka horns.

>>149437571

>>149437591

>>149437571
No, don't show fear and hesitance, it makes you look weak!

>>149421382
digimons are asexual, and the deviants are the ones with romantic interest.
Other than that i can't, was going to say robots but transformers have romantic interests, maybe the star wars robots?

>>149437607

>>149421200
Tell me what kind of brush that is so I can draw some "art" of this character.

>>149437625
>>149437607
>>149437591
I can get off to this.

>>149437625
Ha, imagine if it didn't fit...that would be awkward.

>>149437625

>>149421131
>y'all
holy shit what a faggot

>Artist that gets stunlocked by a situation so hard that it's the only thing that they post out.
I hope this archetype dies out soon.

>>149429899
>>149437635

>>149421286
is that bubble buddy from spongebob?

>>149437720

>>149437731

>>149437747

>>149437754

>>149437765

>>149437765
THERE'S the face! I was having trouble telling who the bad guy was, but he really brought it home at the end.

>>149437765
Does it still count as rape if an eldritch demon does it?

>>149437772

>>149437786

>>149437797

>>149437815
The end

I ship white among us with scary rape demon

>>149437607
>>149437625
fuck that's hilarious

>>149437720
The
>Duplicate file bypass
makes this even funnier

New comic just dropped!
Apparently, he's taken the backlash into consideration and made some adjustments to his approach on the topic.

>>149438176

>>149438188

>>149438176
>>149438188
>different colored dolls than the characters
i thought the implication in the original was that the blue guy is being sneaky about wanting to fuck the pink dude.
So are you telling me there is literally, zero artistic value on this strawman shit?

>>149438195

>>149429880
Ghost Eyes. But still just as gay as South Park
>>149429635
Checks out. The niggas went to the Oscars in dresses while on LSD.
>>149429902
Yes. We must keep our free will but take it away from the weak. It is our responsibility as homothugs

>>149438206

>>149438218
>Beating a person into pulp for liking different pairings
>Underneath the words agree to disagree or just let it be
how is this not satire?

>>149437720

>>149438218
when you go beyond level 2 irony you stop making any sense and is just the artist essentially having an autistic meltdown. Don't try to make sense of it, is just some narcissist shit

>>149438269
meant for >>149438244

He's not wrong though? Shippers are fucking annoying and need the pushback.

>>149438188
>>149438195
Oh god there's even more text

>>149438218
Its always violence in the end for these freaks.

>>149438188

>>149438269
that's true.

>>149438311
Well, the artist is black, so I guess it's on brand.

>asshole uses twitter as a soapbox to virtue signal from

>>149437720
Holy shit. KEK

>>149433145
>>149436409
Alright where to begin.

So there's like roughly 4 eras of fanfiction objectively but we're mainly concerned with the 3 during the internet age.

You have the early era. Dominant fandoms were shit like Buffy, Ranma 1/2, etc. This era's notable for a few things.

1. Super granular, individual sites might exist for just one fandom, FF.net is new, and most other aggregate sites are harder to use.
2. more technically skilled writers who are under less outside pressure but are coming from experience or hobbyism. A lot of authors for it start in their like 20s+ and a lot of them have if not attended classes on the topic have at least studied it in their freetime or have it as a hobby. They're more experienced and, well, at least differently maladjusted.


Fics from this era tend to be more ambitious? As a rule, this is basically the only era of fanfic where massive multicrosses and fusions were ever consistently well written. Its a bit before even my time. There's plenty of its own kind of slop, but mostly it's higher quality, though part of that is survivorship bias.

In general, this era is a lot more relaxed and more broadly capable. It has its own cliches, Sailor Earth, YAH fics, so on, but there's broadly more skill and less insane bullshit without self awareness. Fics back then could be moody or dark without being just trauma or the like for example. In later eras, "Ranma gets fucked over" type plots will be either edgy slop that at least still has a plot or a trauma dump, but here it's liable to be a platform for something reasonably well written exploring some obscure part of the franchise or jumping off into an oddball crossover. Sailor Minimoon being raped would be either porn or insane slop, in this era it's probably gonna result in a surprisingly thoughtful piece about motherhood and overcoming personal trauma that actually goes somewhere. Basically? This is the era where writing ability was broadly high enough to make shit work.

>>149438584
kek

>>149438948
In general? It's kinda like the fanfiction equivalent of the like early bronze age, a lot of this is "This idea is stupid so if you can't write and have zero ambition it's not going anywhere."

You get a lot shit during this era that's interested in playing with canon but isn't afraid to go beyond it, and is good at capturing the *tone* of original works. In a lot of ways you can see shit like Superwholock or all that faggotry as degraded shadows of this era. Like the Orcs to this era's elves I guess.

Anyway this is like prehistory. The next two are gonna be more complex, lemme take a break.

>>149436501
Kind of but that's no justification to be literally nothing but retarded fagslop forever acting as a corrupting cesspit.

>>149438948
>>149439008
But yeah, anyway, 2nd era. We're getting into the point FF.net is dominant and there's huge demographic shifts and even underlying shifts in rational, things are more aggregated, concrete site culture is forming and it has a big effect on how fandom behaves because of how fanfiction becomes the biggest nucleus for fandoms to revolve around.

The biggest fandoms in this era are no doubt Harry Potter and Naruto. Population shift has also occurred, most claim that there's mostly women writing fanfiction, but that's kinda not true, they're just the only ones who reported it. The bulk of fanfiction content ends up coming from teenage guys in this era, who obviously don't answer surveys they don't know exist, particularly since most of them are a little embarrassed by it and do it for fun more than anything.

Quality is largely lower...but there's still ambition and the same massive audience size that enables more slop also means there's always somebody, rightly or wrongly, who will call you out for being shit and things are wild west enough that nobody other than your own maturity can protect you from it, meaning it's get good, hook people to hugbox you, or fuck off and die fag.

This era sees a lot of fag fanfics basically get soft quarantined, and the culture that builds is pretty good about at least having a focus. Even the most dogshit naruto betrayal fic is fundamentally thinking about what they see as either a problem or important part of the franchise and trying to tell what they think is a story with the goal of entertaining in some primitive way, and that's pretty important.

It spawns about a billion variations, cliches, stereotypes, and tons of fanon, and actually makes some pretty on spot commentary. FF.net was Rowling's original biggest critics for example and while a lot of their ideas were edgy or retarded in their own way, they did indicate some actual infamous narrative problems.

cont.

>>149430073
>Spends the next 10 minutes calling our gay friend a fag and telling him to bring "Writing for retards" and a powerpoint on proper organization and labeling to his next "Anal cancer and Aids appreciation meeting" at the Fudgepacker's Union.
Holy fuck, I wish I could have seen that exchange live

This guy is TWENTY FIVE.

>>149429880
>>149438208
>>149429600
I honestly thought it was these two gay bois.

>>149421286
>>149421029 (OP)
>anti shipper
>literal pedophile
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>149438311
god fucking damn it this actually triggers me. Jack isn't an edgy faggot that would say something like this, and actually would celebrate death because he thinks he is cool and is what he knows.
Klonoa however has destroyed entire dimensions in the past. Fuck these lunatics

>>149426515
>that pic
Based. He is right.

>>149421286
He's like those pedo hunters that turn out to be pedos as well

>>149421029 (OP)
>>149427152
>>149438176
Wait, has he made the same fucking comic whining about shipping three times? Why does he care so much?

>>149423976
HOLY TITS
I'M SHIPPING HER WITH MY DICK

>>149429900
They are not real, pedo.

>>149438195
TOGAAASHIII

>>149428000
you'd think someone who needs to virtue signal this hard wouldnt be hiding an awful personality

>>149439326
that explains everything actually. Is only the very obvious deranged people making these comics, imagine being on your late 20s trying to lecture teenagers, nobody fucking does that nor is obsessed with age unless you are hiding something.

>>149439937
Its a common thing if anything else I'm surprised it hasn't caught on as a negative.

>>149439867
That nigga is clearly a headcase

>>149437625
Bro thinks he's Tokyo Tribes 2

>>149438311
>Oh no not the cartoon violence oh what has civilization come too! I'm gonna have a meltdown UOOOWOOOOOH

>>149421200
>people can only depict fictional characters according to arbitrary limits I decided
>this is a rational, good mannered, idea for someone, somehow

>>149439287
You see a lot of underlying "Asshole meritocracy" here and goal focused writing. Plots exist, stories are dissected, experimented with, people. It's primitive, and usually has a dozen cults of personality at any given time, but there is actual thought going into this even if it's just "This would be cool."

The culture is a lot more willing to critique itself. Characterized by the fact that most complaints about fanfiction stems from this era even as it willingly indulges in harems and so on. Which is a notable difference, even relationship shit in this era usually has a desire to have an actual plot beyond that.

This is pretty different from the current era culturally.

The big change is that AO3 became majority dominant in fanfiction despite a terrible interface, boosting itself with the promise of essentially "no moderation", and got artificially signal boosted by a rash of news articles.

Increases in the centralization of the internet also saw it hooked into twitter and tumblr. This is pretty notable.

Eternal September events are when a community is flooded beyond its ability to initiate and process and self moderate. What *normally* happens with major platform shifts is they get flooded by users of the prior central platform, usually hybridizing their cultures. Instead, though, Tumblr and Twitter's cultural overlap immunized AO3 from an eternal september event and heavily politicized how it approaches fandom.

This era is characterized by lower effort fanfiction with writers that think more highly of themselves than the prior era, but who are far less ambitious. Fanfiction has no central function in fandom outside of a social talking point or short term work akin to masturbatory porn fics in prior eras, save for rare examples meant to be used for social clout long term or to provide replacement dopamine hits.

This is pretty notable because of how it impacts the way fandoms behave.

Cont.2

>>149440198
These same people you're defending would have a meltie over a 17 and 18 year old holding hands.
Have some fucking dignity.

>>149440298
Prior eras self-sustained, so much so that honestly? Even the pre-net centric era I didn't cover had significant overlap. The content they produced was enough for them to continue having a centralized and active fanbase with minimal external input from the original source for some time. Ranma 1/2 was receiving active fanfiction from the old guard as late as like 2010 for example. Modern fandoms usually die with their final episode since there's less social value in discussing them.

Fandom during this era lacks as much self-sustain because for whatever fucking reason, fags and fujos and shit like that lack the ability to maintain interest long term. /co/ is familiar with one expression of this since it's common among /co/ fandoms. RWBY, Steven Universe, Voltron:LD, She-Ra, etc all had their fandoms collapse fucking hard. Most of the most sustained were ones that bridged eras. RWBY cultivated a sizable male and straight fanbase who focused on narrative fics more than what is typical of this era.

Shipcentric rather than ship parallel fics where the only purpose is "To have this relationship" rather than "to tell a story about this relationship or with this relationship" became common. Critique became taboo unless its a politically approved topic. Pointless, short term AU fics meant to eye catch for fast dopamine hits became the most important thing, something you experience rather than engage with. And this has shaped fandoms that rose in this era.

Again, comparing Naruto and MHA, since a common accusation is MHA is "Green Naruto" due to a lot of shared structural elements, Naruto spawned thousands of fics with the bulk interested in telling a story in and about Naruto that usually engaged with either a watsonian or doylist aspect of the series, while this is far rarer for MHA, as a post-tumblrization era fandom, meaning it's fans are more interested in using it as a vehicle for emotional masturbation or social virtue signalling,

cont.3

>>149433192
Who's the female (from left, 2nd)

I think Sarah Z did a good video on proshippers and antishippers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcLDcg7UJw
>it's too long!
Then don't watch the whole thing in one sitting.

>>149440298
I was part of the Asshole meritocracy era of FF.net, it was hell but it made us all write our best. Back then you could stand only on your own writing and I must admit that it made me a vastly better writer than I would’ve been had I not been a part of it.

>>149440397
Which is another comparative aspect. Naruto's fanon and cliches are story or world building based in terms of events and things that happen. The Mist Civil War is completely unrelated to bloodlines as far as we know, we actually don't completely know who even was on what side, but the idea that it was a national policy and that Terumi Mei would have been opposed to Yagura on the topic is a synthesis of several datapoints that we're told about Kirigakure to get to a conclusion that, while almost certainly not actually *true* in canon at least is plausible from the outside that tries to piece together and understand the world of the narrative and how it fits together and functions.

MHA fanons are like...."Deku's shoes are red because they're special shoes for people with the extra toe joint and that's why they're red." or "Technology exists to let Momo or Hagakure cover up in canon it's just that people are sexist and retarded.", because something motivated by their political faggotry and agendas is the only thing that inspires consensus. Shallow and fundamentally not interested in the world building or engaging with the property outside of themselves and their social posturing.

This is typical of this kind of fandom and fanfiction in this era and it's heavily rooted in IRL political and propaganda spaces that parasitize it and it's highly representative of the lack of indepth commitment which is a noted thing with female and fag fiction. Chadicus thundercock, Bakugo, Dean and Sam Winchester, etc are fundamentally interchangeable stunt cocks with a coat of paint with the social experiences *around them* being what they actually care about, as compared to earlier era waifufags as a comparison who typically have ironclad fixations and preferences they return to without stimuli, see the infamously long NGE shipping wars.

cont.4

>>149421200
>no one has drawn porn of this avatar yet

>>149421110
I'm homophobic because I hate gay people, not because someone made yaoi fanfics

>>149440509
Based, I hope you learned well.

>>149440521
The NGE shipping war is another good data point. Compare even straight shipping wars by women that are infamously of comparable intensity...and they're all way shorter lived. Even after the events where "Mari Won" hit the fandom, fighting over Asuka and Rei [and Misato, and Mari, etc] has never stopped, with only the fag option only popular with, surprise surprise, fags and women, Kaworu, lacking strong support outside of the occasional shitpost.

Meanwhile Naruto's infamous shipping war between NaruSaku and NaruHina [itself a heavily gendered split with women overwhelmingly preferring Sakura?] and SasuSaku, or NaruSasu? That produced the cataclysmic monument to shipping insanity [that will be included at the end of this] that is the Hall of Anal Devastation?

Series ended, pretty much dead even with the occasional flare up from Boruto.

Kataang and Zutara? Series ended and it sputtered out, we shit post about it more than the people who ever actually cared back in the day do.

So it goes.

In essence it's an extreme example of the "Group gets colonized by fags here to smoke and drink and socialize" that happens now at lightning speed because they're constantly ravenously seeking new places to colonize because they produce the same interchangeable slop fandom material with less consideration or even caveman tier understanding from engaging with the work because the work doesn't really matter outside of something to talk about.

This impacts fic quality, because even the people who can tolerate fags and their associates either increasingly get fed up with them or are eventually driven off due to their volatility. This characterizing the current era of fanfiction heavily due to how locked in to social media it is. Meaning now you can have your life ruined over a fanfic and there's metaphorically nothing to eat to help motivate you to engage with the community beyond the surface level.

cont.5

>>149433548
I find it funny how adamant Dan and Swampy are about never giving Perry a love interest.

>>149440619
A good way to observe this for yourself however is , aside from deliberately hunting down old fanfics and archives or forum posts, is to look at fandoms that formed their core during specific eras and comparing their fandom culture and common trend. There's a moderate difference between early net and the FF.net era, but a HUGE shift you can actually trace through overlapping fandoms moving into the modern AO3 dominant era where the average quality and underlying fundamentals just crater so badly that you find yourself longing for swathes of garbage Dark! Powerful! Independent! Harry fics before long because you could be sure there'd be a pay off for diging through them.

Anyway, not much else to say without sitting down to put together notes instead of off the top of my head
>>149433145
>>149436409
Hope this was at least an interesting schizo rant.

Since it was the most entertaining thing I mentioned and a great way to entertain yourself for an hour while also getting a window into the kind of people who would come to dominate and form the culture of the AO3 era of fanfiction and fandom, I'll include some great reading

https://imgur.com/a/hall-of-devastation-now-reverse-chronological-order-because-imgur-sorting-is-fucked-XKwJ4/#0

The most iconic Hall of Anal Devastation from the end of Naruto. Enjoy.

>>149421029 (OP)
i assume people that really gaf about this are unemployed. it aint that deep bruv

How'd I do /co/?

>>149440867
Saved for blessed OC

Jesus Christ, go for a walk.

>>149440867
perfect

>>149440867
>HURRR DEATH OF THE AUTHOR
being a content creator these days must be hell

>>149440867
but the retards making gay porn doesn't stop you from continuing your own work

>>149440867
based
glasses deserved it
me bottom right

>>149441148
>making gay porn doesn't stop you from continuing your own work
The comic doesn't say otherwise. It suggests that if you're an annoying, goonerbrained shipping faggot, people might not want to put up with you. It could've ended at panel 3, that's really all people need to do when confronted with this behavior; however the original comic guy complained about shipping fags who are so retarded they would call you homophobic or try and harass you in real life, so the last panel the funny happen.
>>149441275
Fuck off retard.

>>149440198
>>149440358
Yeah, it's not about the violence, it's about their hypocresy.
It's very weird to me they're anxious about "problematic" proshipping (fiction), while also being so unapologetically violent towards the people they don't like (and analogically real)

>>149440867
me on the bottom righ-
oh dammit >>149441275 you beat me bro
you're based tho

>>149421200
>>149440524
Promises made. Promises kept.

>>149442830
eyup, it's tail time!

>>149421110
This guy seems like a faggot

>>149439854
Real child predators who try to "protect" fictional children are the dumbest fucking thing

>>149429722
But we’re not shipping indian or mormon characters???

‘But I was just sitting here enjoying myself’ fags are the worst, because the only reason they say it is to attack another user for doing what they want to do. ‘Me (innocent), just enjoying two characters engaging with eachother!’, and then this CREEP perverted it! No dude, you’re a fan seeking engagement, who went on a public forum, asked for a certain type of conversation, and you met someone in public there who wanted to have a different type of conversation, which you found gross. That’s fucking all. It’s not a fucking home invasion, you’re not a toddler with an ice cream at the park, you’re a fucking grown man

>>149437472
This is true actually

>>149433842

>>149421038
>>149421049
>>149421076
>>149421122
>>149421159
>I AM SILLY!!!

>>149443898
Edible

>>149421382
Deuce from Monster High G3....

>>149421062
Because we get Sucrose/SUFags, Brony/Pegacloppers, Dana Shitfaced and ND Cuckinsons when you don't weed it out early.
>Also Viziepop's start in a nutshell

>>149444612
most of those fandoms aren’t bad because of the shippers, they’re bad because of the self inserters

How are you going to need more engagement out of a show than simply being happy that the characters you like are friends, and go online trying to farm that satisfaction of them being friends, yet you’re going to act like the guys who like to think they fuck are doing something wrong, when you both showed up to ‘daydream about fictional relationships because it makes you giddy’ central station?

>>149421087
>>149421200
So this is just one of those asexual people who can't keep to themselves and wants to force people to think like them?

>>149446004
ah no, they fuck people in relationships.

>>149446004
Yes but more importantly a narcissist who thinks the only reason people don’t already agree with him is because they must not understanding what they’re trying to say. Like it’s not a discussion to him, it’s a bunch of bad people not understanding how right he is. I’m not one to throw around the homophobia label, but the accusation against him is pretty strong. I mean out of all the shit-eating and incest and male/female ooc insane shit out there, his only anger is towards the gay art of his characters, he accuses the gay shippers of ‘not understanding friendship’, but at the end of the day he’s going for total war against all gay shippers because some gay shippers bugged him.
Hate a fag all you want, but you’re better off saying ‘keep that gay shit out of my thread’ which everyone will ultimately understand, rather than writing such a self-righteous manifesto about it.

>>149443715
This idea of the "Politically incorrect zoomer" only exists in the fantasies of teachers writing fake stories on reddit about how le toxic internet is totally turning the hecking children into alt-right chuds. That's the only place I've ever seen these elusive nigger saying zoomers.
Most zoomers you meet online are brainwashed golems who unironically censor themselves to meet the tos of fucking TikTok.

>>149446262
Granted even people in this thread were doing gay art of his blob ocs, kek.

>>149446305
Yeah and I agree the constant perversion of everything even for a joke is obviously… perverse. But this whole ‘i just want to talk about my comfort characters (i imagine Phinaes and Ferb, because the idea is funny to me) being FRIENDS! Is that so much to ask?!’ thing is such horseshit. I’ll give you a ‘i just want to live’ or ‘i just want to see my baby’, but people use ‘i just want to…’ for the weakest fucking shit. A buddy of mine used to hit us with an unironic ‘I just want to play re5 co-op on steam with my friends ;_;’ all the time, it’s like shut the fuck up I am not swayed at all by you playing victim over such a particular recreational activity. Huge problem of crybabies on forums and chat rooms

>>149446297
My fiancée is a teacher and there’s all sorts of kids, same as always

I'm going to armchair diagnose. It seems like this guy is mentally ill and has issues with morality OCD. He feels compelled to constantly make comics where people explain their correctness against strawmen of people he finds morally incorrect, presumably out of a desire to both change these bad people's minds and explicitly distance himself from them in order to feel clean and correct. He also makes these comics where he painstakingly details his own wrongdoings and actions he feels guilty about, like he's on trial and the internet is his jury. It all reeks of someone who can't put the phone down because he thinks it's necessary to preach, repent, and confess to an audience that doesn't fucking care, yet in his mind it does.

>>149446440
I think so. In short words, he’s an antisocial spoiled kid. Lecturing the entire kindergarten on why they must only play his game

>>149446440
and his need to draw anyone he doesn't like as these sinister looking creatures. Feels like those old propaganda movies.

>>149446440
It’s a really sad condition but some people genuinely do not understand that not every conversation and statement is directed at them. It took me myself a long time to realize that not everyone who complaints or vents in my earshot is asking for my intervention. But this is a guy who thinks people daydreaming about his character being gay, makes that character gay (as much as he would deny it). He feels the need to intervene in the daydreams of others to preserve his own

>>149446440
I think I’ll drive him crazy now and armchair diagnose him as a closeted and neglected homosexual who is charmed by homosexual relationships but is so fearful of homosexuality that he actually defines his hobby and ‘taste in shipping’ as ‘when boys are the closest of friends but are certainly not gay’, and a voyeur too! Oh god I’m so entertained by these boys ‘engaging’ oh god yes they model chaste mutual love between men ooooohmigod

>>149440756
Why do you have to be british

>>149422433
You think Asians are not annoying because you aren't exposed to their moon runes

im not reading all this
shipping can be cute

>>149439844
It is a meme refering pic related, fagget.

>>149426398
Only opened the thread to post this.
Also Louis has a good quote on why porn is bad

>>149421076
>what are you homophobic?

>words words words words words

>>149442830
>>149442838
Holy based

They deleted their twitter

>>149437472
>this state voted blue = Faggot
>this state voted red = Resonable person
so it IS that simple

>>149448045
I wonder if he saw this thread. I actually kind of hope he read my diagnosis

>>149446611
THE TRIPLE DUBS HAVE SPOKEN

>>149448045
At least we got OC from this shitstain of a loser.
Good thread.

>>149437827

>>149448045
another piece of shit wiped clean

>>149447861
i know that, why are you defending such terrible fanart though, just copying a meme doesn't make it "funny" or valid

>>149448329
The joke is supossed to be the absudity of two totally distinct character about to kill someone for unknown reasons. Even if 99% of the time that format is used as an excuse to pair chars for autistic reasons.

>>149438188
>>149438321

>>149440867
saved

>>149442830
>>149442838
Slap some titties and curves and you'll have busting a fat one

>>149448353
sounds like the joke is so diluted is no longer there. Originally the comic is mocking steven for trying to change hittler into a good guy.

>>149448460
I was explaining the joke, not saying the joke was good especially when it derailed into autistic crossovers.

>>149439326
Is 25 really that old

>>149448787
Off the clock…

>>149448597
i don't think you understood. I'm saying there is no joke.
You think people misusing characters with a meme format is a ""joke"", is just the twitter people again hoping on trends drawing characters they don't even understand.

>>149448787
25 is when people used to have a long term career and/or their first child. Now they're indistinguishable from 14 year olds and care about what other people are doing with fictional characters on the internet instead of getting a college degree. Truly a generation of permanent children.
>>149429600
This comic feels like it was made by a deranged fujo in 2003 but the art style is a dead giveaway it's from 2014. The last bastion of based.

>>149448787
at 25 you are ancient granpa tier, and 30 you are a zombie, at 40 you are no longer human.
That is, according to 17 yo teenagers that think they are equal to 10 yo toddlers and are scared of getting a job.

>>149448787
Bro, you graduate with a bachelor's degree at 22.
This nigga is way too old to be engaging in this retardation. This is what happens when you're chronically unemployed at 25.

>>149448888
>quads + dubs
It's joever for us wizards...

>>149430495
They do give good fic recommendations

>>149448888
25 isn't ancient grandpa tier but if you still care about fandom drama at that age (outside of lol this is funny as fuck), you have failed at life. Either learn a trade or go into retail so you don't spend all day on twitter.

>>149448843
It is a lame joke, but a joke nontheless, even if that joke is "lol so randumb".

>>149448787
Not really but it's a big deal for that guy because his sex pest ways are only going to get creepier and more obvious. Not that you asked but if you wanna grow old the right way don't bother worrying about what is and isn't young.

I'm proship, but also, I hate how 2 men being on screen together leads to an explosion of fujo content. Like 80% of content on AO3 is m/m. I don't enjoy m/m so it pisses me off. A lot of them also attack F/M fans and content creators, even forming flame mobs.

Ultimately the only mature sensible solution is to let people ship what they want. Don't like, don't read/view. Just scroll past it. People bitching about age gaps, incest, "but they're sibling coded!", "b-but that character is gay you can't put him in a straight ship!", "nooooo you can't put the lesbians in straight ships wahhhhhh wwaaaaaahhhhh", etc need to shut the fuck up. Make the content you want to see. If you aren't making, then shut the fuck up.

"Aro/ace" is also bullshit. All these new flavors of sexuality is just MBTI for teenage girls.

>>149421186
Also going to point out that bitching about "proshippers" while in the same breath bitching about harassers is retarded. Proshipper means ship and let ship, it's an anti-harassment viewpoint. This dumb fucking retard IS a proshipper and just doesn't understand what the word means.

Teenagers shouldn't be allowed to post online. I do not want to read anything written by someone under the age of 24.

>>149434401
I like crossover crackship

>>149449043
Adding onto your post, I'd wish they just add a T/T category already.
When both characters have a vagina, it ain't fucking gay porn anymore. Its just lesbian porn. Stop putting that shit in the M/M category.
It's probably even worse for the M/F shippers, you guys don't expect the girl to suddenly have a cock.

>>149449043
>. Like 80% of content on AO3 is m/m. I don't enjoy m/m so it pisses me off.
>Don't like, don't read/view. Just scroll past it
How do you say these two things next to each other and not see the irony? I'm not a yaoifag either but it doesn't piss me off that women want to see two boys kissing. It's like getting angry that adult men who watch Owl House want to fuck the girls.

>>149438208
>Never question a white supremacists femboy husband races is

>>149421076
>What are you, homophobic?

Yes. What now?

>>149427461
The harassment is crazy. I've gotten hate comments for drawing character's skintones "too light" (spoiler: the skintone I drew was accurate.) people also go crazy about "ethnic" features in a no-win game. If you don't draw the ethnic features, you're a racist. if you do draw them, you're also a racist. it's just people using morality as a hall monitor badge to go out and bully people.

i also subscribe to "how is digital harassment real, just shut the phone off" but it does get annoying.

>>149440867
Yeah those are the average shippers same with yuricucks

>>149447804
Jessa is a shit ship

>>149430003
>>149429993
This phenomenon is so god damned weird. When millennials were teenagers online they shut the fuck up and kept it to themselves. There is something legitimately wrong with gen z, they're absolutely retarded and obsessed with age and youth and identifying as a young kid. They're throwing shit around calling people over 25 unc creeps who need to leave fandom spaces and acting like anyone over age 25 who exists online is a pedo, not realizing they themselves will get there in just a few years. They're extremely socially incompetent and immature and engage in magical thinking. I don't know the solution, i just think they need to be beaten up.

They crash out about a relationship between a 17 and 18 year old, or 2 16 year olds, or a 23 and 20 year old. it's crazy. the internet has actually melted their brains. they act like they've never gone outside and talked to a human IRL before, and the fact that their gen x parents never spend any time with them or have a functional relationship with them really shows. they're also obsessed over pedophiles to the point it's become a boogeyman, while not realize some early-30s fandom nerd is not likely to be a pedophile, that the actual pedophiles are epstein island client types and creepy old dudes living in trailers. they throw the word pedophile around so much that it's lost all meaning.

>>149449427
It's an issue all around. People these days have problems with their self worth and identity. Being a minor gives them worth in pretty much every social aspect even intimately (what I mean is that they know how dangerous some spaces are and like treading that thin line because it's attention nonetheless) though they won't admit it.

>>149448080
Fucked around and got one

>>149449427
>they're also obsessed over pedophiles to the point it's become a boogeyman
>they throw the word pedophile around so much that it's lost all meaning
because most of them ARE the pedophile and the ones that aren't are just parroting said pedophiles because they don't know any better or are afraid of the xitter moralfag mob

His characters are gay. How you gonna put blush stickers on your self insert like that?

>>149438176
Yeah man he’s right, it’s even better for nasty shippers when they’re offending someone and being nasty to something otherwise pure. But guess what? You can’t stop them lmfao and you’re on a pervert board. Get married for fucks sake! Not even kidding! She’ll probably when teach you to love sex!!!

>>149449107
Agree, I want to be able to quickly filter out tranny and pooner content. it's really getting out of hand in some fandoms. I search for f/m and then half the results are tranny shit, it makes me want to commit homicide. i can't understate how much troons ruined the planet. they had autism so they made it everyone else's problem. it's just shoving their fetish in other people's faces with no self awareness as to how inappropriate and disgusting it is. people used to jack off while cross dressing in their wives clothes and didn't make it into their entire personality. now i can't read fanfic without seeing 900 depictions of a character suddenly being a troon for no reason at all.
>>149449108
i pointed out the irony, i did that myself, i acknowledged that. mainly i just want to rant about fujos. the gay shit is out of control. i walk into a fandom where the canon content is 100% straight and then suddenly fan content is 99% faggotry. god damn.

objectively i'm still going to take a pro ship stance. but they make it difficult to retain my principles. it's the same way someone can defend free speech but still be angry that most people's speech is retarded.

>>149449601
You know, yeah. Because it's weird how antis rant about pedos and start witchhunts, but somehow always have a stash of shota/loli art on hand. or they rant about proshipping but somehow have stashes of incest/unhealthy relationships/rape fetish etc. content. antis seem to be groomers and groomees. i don't know what force compells them to be that retarded but there it is. normal people who aren't thinking about kid genitals 24/7 don't crusade the internet to call people shipping a 15 and 17 year old together a pedophile. call is coming from inside the house.

>>149449629
>the gay shit is out of control. i walk into a fandom where the canon content is 100% straight and then suddenly fan content is 99% faggotry. god damn.
You're going to have to accept that most fandoms online are a mostly female/gay thing. If you want to have only content that appeals to you and the canon, you should probably just avoid seeing fan content entirely. Anything with a cute boy is going to have female fans who want to see him fuck other boys or wear a dress.
The only fandoms exempt from this are extremely hyper masculine things that could only appeal to the subset of supremely dyke lesbians that self insert as men or books above high school reading level. Or gacha with only female characters like Uma Musume but I wouldn't wish gacha on my worst enemy.

>here's me arguing with a straw man for 10 panels where he is unreasonable and angry and I am calm and composed!

>>149448045
THEY SAW THIS THREAD KEKKK THEYRE A FAG LURKER

>>149449663
Haggard's Law is a fucking bitch. Nothing's more dangerous to a pervert than another pervert.

>>149449698
>Or gacha with only female characters like Uma Musume
Kek, for some reason this makes me think anon would have a meltie if he found out his favorite vtuber had a boyfriend.

>>149449950
What I don't get is what all these holier-than-thou niggers are doing in a place that they supposedly hate so much. They hate us so much and yet rather be here than reddit or twitter...

>>149449975
>keep your friends close, and your enemies closer

>>149449950
Nah, it’s because of community note right here: >>149421286. It links to his callout post and apparently he groomed or something I dunno, I didn’t really read the callout because a lot of actually bad shit he’s (allegedly) done is mixed with him just being a huge asshole and also the font choice is terrible. He could ignore it when it was just under his rape house comic but the shipping one broke containment and that meant in addition to people calling him a retard, he also had people posting "HEY THIS GUY’S A PREDATOR" in a thread with a lot more eyes on it so he probably deleted to hide until the heat dies down. I bet his account will be back before the month’s over (although can you still undeleted your account on Xitter? I don’t actually use it myself.).
One thing I did learn from his callout is that apparently he’s black and that makes this way weirder right? Like I don’t want to stereotype here but I’ve never seen a black guy care so much about shipping to make it three different comics whining about it (in fact I’ve never seen them care about shipping AT ALL). If there’s any black anons in the thread (preferably dudes, but I wouldn’t mind hearing from some black femanons either), how much presence do you guys actually have in shipping culture? Honestly curious here.

>>149450292
Considering he's into cheating woman and being black... yeah, it just writes itself.

>>149450292
As a black anon I don't know how this guy got so fucked up. (Probably terminal overuse of Tumblr/Twitter) I don't really engage in fandom culture much but like any person I have pairs I prefer greater than others and my presence is limited to that shit. Blacks are also poorer and more materialistic on average and as such don't really engage in overly online things like fandom and shipping culture, what we have here is a very rare breed of black not fully understood.
I can tell you that I am basically the silent grandfather of the identity of a ship, for a fandom that was just starting up. That identity endures to this day so I suppose just like how it is elsewhere, when a black person acts it usually makes waves for the femoids and the lefty whites. This guy just sounds like a fuckup though so I'm ultimately as clueless as you are.

>>149450292
>If there’s any black anons in the thread (preferably dudes, but I wouldn’t mind hearing from some black femanons either), how much presence do you guys actually have in shipping culture?
I personally do not give a fuck about shipping or shipping culture, I have no problem engaging with fan works, but it's mostly related to my fetishes, not so much specific relationships.
I do however hate people who bitch and moan about "problematic" art because
>It's not real
>They're annoying
>Just fucking close your eyes, cunt


That said, I don't really engage much with western fandoms these days, they're far too inundated with annoying retards, schizos, and mega-autists who throw a fit it someone doesn't validate their particular form of autism.

>>149450458
He was probably a weeb during the naruto/bleach era and stumbled into that crowd of terminally online, morally reprehensible lobotomites that populated the fandoms at the time. I've met a few black people that act exactly like him, including the predator tendencies, they where all women though, so its kinda weird seeing that this artist is a dude.

>>149428921
PLEASE tell me you have a twitter account or smth where you upload your art

>>149429925
if you think anything about ffn is better than ao3 except for possibly average fic quality then you should be shot
you’re given a shining example of classic web design that gives the reader all the tools they need and you shit on it
you disgust me

>>149427870
lol I like how this is the edited version

>>149437494
My favorite kind.

>>149448376
based reaction image

>>149448045
probably a 2/10 chance he actually seeks psychological help

>>149451215
>Dogshit UI
>Made even worse by intentionally cultivated site culture and rampant misuse of the tag system

VS.

>Simple but efficient UI, especially in mobile
>Cultivated site culture that makes it far more effective and useful despite being barebones

Consider not being a gigantic faggot.

>>149427152
"Forced ship", as if the fictional things are being held down and enslaved to hold hands with each other

>>149439808
Pip is not real. He never existed. If you say Pip was real, you will by lynched for lying.

his twitter account is already back

>>149453817
filtered

>>149433842
Honestly I blame how parental figures and the networks reacted to the 2000s, they over corrected from the culture of being offensive to being safe to the point everyone acts like a overly offensive schoolgirl or a sheltered faggot raised in homeschooling.
Unironically by the 2030s, expect people to be so embarrassingly crude and easily offended they'll even ban skirts that show knees

>>149455291
>easily offended they'll even ban skirts that show knees
But why DO you need to see a woman's knee that badly anon.
Kind sus

>>149433842
results of infantalization of the generation and a huge choice of diversions to both be distracted by and obsessed with, which led to them being generally intimidated by sex and an emotional acceptance of fiction as reality.

>>149427152
100000 Hours in MSPaint

>>149448045
Fucking made me look.
The fat cunt is still on twitter and not on meds they clearly fucking need.

>>149440692
Nice autistic rambling anon. On the fanfic topic, could you recommend me a fanfic with good power world building, and rationalist shit?

>>149455451
Kek

>>149421110
Fair point. Yuri and Yaoi fans are rather insufferable.

>>149421200
This artist has never been in a romantic relationship in their life I see.

>>149455746
Gen Z got a lot of psychopaths or maybe because they are more vocal about it, they're really do not care, it's usually just me needs

>>149421200
and yet this is how he draws Carrie from TAWOG

>>149455779
Social media was a mistake and Gen Y and Z are proof of that. They're afraid of building relationships with other people and thus failing to develop empathy and unspoken understanding. It's tragic.

>Hey, can I come in?

Trauma dump comics are fucking retarded. Gimme cartoon titties or gtfo

>>149449107
>It's probably even worse for the M/F shippers, you guys don't expect the girl to suddenly have a cock.
it’d be better if people were more consistent with using the futanari tag when they mean futanari and not having trans stuff mixed in?

>>149449975
never forget you are here forever.

>>149456020
>tfw trapped on an anime imageboard full of repressed transniggers forever
fuck

>>149421049
>>149421065
both of these are valid. I am free to ship whoever the fuck I want but seeing two characters together is no reason to fucking force the ship and relationship into the fucking fandom.
>>149427152
blue based and in the right. schizo chris chan levels from red

>>149456036

>>149438206
I had to look up why someone arguing for shipping would be against "proshipping" and discovered it isn't the opposite of "antishipping". That is a bad way to shorten problematic into your phrase btw.

>>149456457
>>149456457
>>149456457

>>149438195
It’s so feckless when people (like piratesoftware) get into fights and then deflect from the argument by claiming harassers represent your opposition. I think people who dox and shit are crazy, but as a passerby waiting to see who’s going to make the better argument, i just see someone throwing a tantrum and quitting by playing victim

>>149438206
And it just has gore at the end? Bloody strings from a face to a boot during a bloody stomping? This guy needs to control himself, he does not meet his own standard of temperance and avoiding the weird

>>149438206
>>149438218
So this guy really just wrote a small essay insisting that fan depictions of characters are imbued objects and carry some form of canonicity that needs to be respected, and then the first thing he does curb-stomp a character who represents my opinion, on panel? If he’s going to do that, he needs to clarify whats supposed to be reprehensible about that last statement, like if he said ‘even children’ then it doesn’t look like you’re murdering a guy for saying ‘live and let live’

>>149439326
Dude how is this person a male with the halo/devil tail motif in his logo and avatar? Does he not realize that’s the marketing of a seductress? Does he not realize his logo fully in the genre of onlyfans and sex toys? Someone back me up in this, you see that, right?

>>149456664
I believe the combo of horns and halo is meant to represent that he's done a lot of bad things in the past(>>149427966), but he's trying to do better now.

>>149450292
He’s black?!

>>149455480
So when he’s not sermonizing against gay shipping, he’s criticizing his stoner friend for smoking while they’re both smoking the same joint? This guy isn’t just a wet blanket, he’s a chronic belittler.

>>149455789
Hahahaha ewwwww

>>149456455
Jesus Christ took me like two days of following this thread before I learned that just now

>>149449128
>Yes. What now?
Now we have SEX!

>>149456683
Jesus Christ, that simultaneously doesn’t make a difference, and makes it worse. It doesn’t make a difference because that’s what the seductress types basically mean anyways with those logos (i am dirty but good and I want you to know it), and no matter his intent it’s still completely in the language of eroticism and nothing else - and it’s worse because he is announcing he is/has been some type of sexual abuser, while also declaring his own redemption, as his fucking branding! And in doing so, he’s essentially asking his audience to validate his self-assigned parole for some unknown crime against with unknown victims! I don’t know if he hurt someone or just feels guilty for being a perv, but this is BPD behavior and the thing is still nothing but a pornstar’s logo!

>>149456683
90% chance he obsessed over a girl who had put him in the friend zone, expressed his sexual frustration through a porn habit that led into fetishism (likely self-drawn gore of the subject, based on his interests and work), he eventually asked her out and she said no, which he perceives as a ‘punishment’ for being a pervert, so now his ‘redemption’ is making war against porn and ‘proshippers’, while both forgiving himself for ‘relapsing’ and dramatizing those relapses as his epic troubled dual nature

>>149453817
and there it is folks, the admission that he’s a mobilefag that can’t handle designs that aren’t “simplified” down into uselessness!