Thread 149425834

>both black
>both are supposed to be tech geniuses
Why is left based and right is cringe?

>>149425834 (OP)
Idk I didn't watch Ironheart.
But Terrific was cool.

>>149425834 (OP)
One is a stoic chad, while the other insists upon itself

>>149425834 (OP)
Simple, right was made by Bendis where as left wasn't.

>>149425834 (OP)
One's a fucking adult.

>>149425834 (OP)
Does the right spend every scene talking to other characters with contempt?

>>149425834 (OP)
>Why is left based and right is cringe?
and what is your reasoning for this?

>>149425834 (OP)
Terrific is cool because he's a very tactical dude and does his own shit. Riri just cries.

>>149425834 (OP)
Left was written good. Right was written poorly.

>>149425834 (OP)
those are very superficial similarities

>>149425834 (OP)
i liked both to be honest. IronHeart is fun I just wish it wasn't magitech AGAIN but magic as substitute for Tony's perfect fuel source makes sense at least.

>>149425834 (OP)
Because left isn't a horrible person nor mary sue

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is just a nigga existing.
Right stole someone else’s identity.

>>149426278
About that

>>149425834 (OP)
Right is "supposed to be smart" but does some of the most retarded things imaginable without a second thought. Left actually is shown to be smart through his actions, by both not listening to fucking Guy Gardner and unfucking Lex's world ending portal dimension.

>>149425834 (OP)
Ironheart was great and I still don't understand the hate. Riri was an actually realistic flawed protagonist because she became a fucking villain and didn't realize it.

>>149426337
Hi Brian, how’s Dark Horse going for ya?

>>149426309
Left is a guy who took on the identity of long-dead hero to find a new direction for his life following the death of his wife and in a time-travel adventure got the approval of the original who was glad that his actions could inspire a legacy of heroics.

Right got mailed an AI copy of a hero to keep an eye on her because she was flagged as a potential danger.

>>149426370
K

Mr. Terrific: Introduced by John Ostrander a legend with comic book writing chops.

Iron Fart: written by DEI Ewing because "OMG we have the same hair gurl."

We may never know anon. We may never know.

>>149425834 (OP)
Riri is supposed to be Iron Man but a black woman and falls so far deep into this one trait its actually a bad parody.

Other guy isn't relying on any pre-existing characters for reference and while still kind of an arrogant ass at times was not the star of the show despite playing a major role and having fun scenes. If he had his own series it'd probably be terrible but as a side character he's doing fine.

Plus dude flys around in a chair, that's funny and cool.

>>149425834 (OP)
I honestly forgot Ironheart existed and thought she was Engineer

>>149426450
Iron Heart was created by Brian Michael Bendis, retard.
>>149426356
Bendis' version wasn't stealing shit, killing people, and making deals with the devil, retard.

>>149425834 (OP)
because he's terrific and ironheart is terrible

>>149425834 (OP)
>Terrific
Didn't come out of nowhere and wasn't trying to be someone he's not. He at least got a better backstory and reason to want to be a hero

>>149426454
>>149426370

Mr. Terrific was BASED and cool.

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is Terrific.

>>149425870
I think it’s because marvel evil or some anti marvel buzz word/words

>>149425834 (OP)
One of them is DEI: didn't earn it.

>>149425834 (OP)
Terrific had the funniest scene post the credits.

and in superman's defense, it was a little off.

>>149426481
I kinda want to watch that video just to hear that uncle Tom's arguments

>>149426473
>Bendis' version wasn't stealing shit,
Yeah she was, she stole (borrowed) all the components for her first suit from the school. She just put them together in the shape of a suit.

>>149425834 (OP)
Because right acts like a cringelord and left doesn't.

Left is a man
Right is a woman
/thread

>>149426752
Both are legacies of white heroes, one of them has just been a legacy for longer, and the original was pretty obscure.

>>149425834 (OP)
I'm never watching gunnslop so I can't comment on Terrific, I honestly thought his name was Fairplay and i still think that's a better name.

Riri is not cringe. she's extremely cute and has a sexy tummy capable and talented but she lives in the post-Iron Man world where every tech miracle might as well be trash unless you have Stark/Holt money. I believe there was another person who felt the same way and fell into villainous ways, except Riri didn't do anything out of spite or jealousy and redeem herself when the opportunity presented itself.

The reason people hate characters like Riri is because they can't exist without tearing down and shitting on what came before. In this case Iron Man and Tony Stark. Riri can't just be her own character, she has to establish why she's better than Tony. Regardless of what happens with that character's arc you instantly lose a connection with a legacy character when they're spending time shitting on the legacy that came before.

A character like Mr. Terrific is free from this baggage. He's a legacy character, but he honors, respects, and loves the original Mr. Terrific in the comics and Gunn will surely keep that element of his character in the DCU moving forward if it were to come up. He never upstages Superman, he never has a scene that shows he's better than any of the characters in the film while the movie smugly points it out. He's a character in a movie doing his part in a movie where every character gets their moment and is allowed to shine in their own unique way thanks to their own unique skill set. The reason non-white male characters have become so divisive is because so many of them are written as smug underdogs that are actually better than the white characters everyone grew up loving but because they're a woman/not white/whatever they can only fail. No one wants to see that shit. No one wants to watch a movie to get lectured about how the thing they love was bad actually and it needs to be fixed. Mr. Terrific is just allowed to be a character without any real world political baggage attached to him. The way things were before smug meta-irony overtook media.

>>149425834 (OP)
Terrific has a good origin story that makes him compelling qnd cool. Ironheart is a mary sue and a derivative character that adds nothing other than a raceswap of an already existing character

>>149425834 (OP)
Terrific did hero shot and was good at what he did.

>>149425834 (OP)
/co/ hated Riri, is similar to Miles in that she had a lot of haters and bad press before getting a series that carries over to other media. Mr. Terrific flies under the radar because it feels like people remember he exist once a year.

>>149426903
>>149426912

>Riri shits on Stark
no she didn't.

>>149425834 (OP)
Because Mr Terrific is based and Riri is cringe.

>>149426942
Fag

Riri haters probably know less about Terrific than they do Riri.

>>149426370
That sounds interesting. I never really looked much into Terrific. That's the backstory of Terrific then?

>>149425834 (OP)
>one is a character who's been around for decades and has a dedicated fanbase due to his long history in the comics
>the other is a "LOOK WE MAKE BLACK CHARACTERS!" nothing of a character that's only existed for a handful of years and has very few actual fans yet is propped up in comics and now films as though she's supposed to be everyone's favorite new character despite literally nobody wanting it
yeah I wonder why

>>149425834 (OP)
Mr. T is autistic, which is inherently hilarious

Black characters are only acceptable if they were made before the year 2000 in 4chan's eyes.

>>149427020
Comic Riri is dangerously autistic

MCU Riri just... is

Terrific is like Steel. Kind of a lot like Steel come to think of it. But anyways the point is that he's just dude trying to do right and live up to the people who inspired him. He works well on a team and lets his actions speak louder than words. Iron Heart is a petulant brat looking for head pats who caused a stink before she ever picked up the mantle.

>>149427011
not everyone is brain rotten enough to come to the same conclusions as you.

>>149426996
>>149426942
this is the actual truth.

>>149427027
Because they are better

>>149427052
Go back to l*ddit

>>149427060
>self-censorship
go back to youtube

>>149427087
It’s the only way to post it

>>149427053
They're better because they existed before political brainrot, self-victimisation and paranoia turned your entire personality into much white genocidea

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is a man, and right is a woman.

>>149426874
They stole money. The whole blackmail heist with Hood's dad's company?

>>149427108
Kys tranny

>>149427146
See what I mean? All you think about is trannies and blacked porn and all the other scary things you've had drilled into your consciousness to supplant your personality.

>>149427167
Nah, I’m just insulting you

>>149425834 (OP)
One is more likable than the other due to writing and acting charisma. Simple as. People are overthinking it.

>>149425834 (OP)
I didn't know basically anything about Mr Terrific going into the movie but remembering how in JLU he took over control of operations & deployment in the Watchtower after J'onn left was enough for me to give him respect going in, and he more than proved that was warranted in the actual film. Sometimes you just need that one positive connection to give a character the benefit of the doubt, no matter how small.

>>149427179
By bringing up trannies even though no one was talking about them. /v/irgins do that a lot too - constantly drawing reference to trannies and interracial porn appropos of nothing because it's always at the forefront of their minds.

>>149427137
>The whole blackmail heist with Hood's dad's company?
I don't know what you're talking about exactly but that shit was dumb as fuck.

>>149425834 (OP)
Left was written by a man who reads comic books. Right was written by a woman who hates comic books.

>>149427216
Ok, fag

>>149425834 (OP)
The were both cringe, Shuri, too.

>>149427027
Most white men created after then are also awful.

>>149426154
Sounds like a pretty accurate and true to life story for the demographic.

>>149427322
Learn to spell, tard

>>149427330
Yeah, but they don't make people literally start crying and screaming and kicking

>>149425834 (OP)
Riri Williams spends the entire show building amazing inventions -wristwatches that emit personal safety bubbles, holographic projectors the size of a small necklace, an emergent AI that fits on a shitty laptop, tiny fucking wind turbines and solar panels with such an efficient energy conversion rate that they can power a fucking Iron Man suit- and rather than patenting any of these ideas and becoming a literal MULTIBILLIONAIRE overnight she instead takes up with an obvious criminal organization to steal mere thousands of dollars.

Crimes she commits while wearing an easily identifiable suit of flying armor that everyone in Chicago has seen her wearing and that MIT knows she stole, by the way.

And to add to the bullshit sundae, her first suit requires her to defraud MIT for four years to be able to build it and make it functional and requires extremely rare and expensive components from a black arms dealer to repair... yet somehow she's able to build an entirely new and far more advanced suit in a few hours using only parts from a fucking 1971 Cuda 440. Now, I'm no automotive expert, but I'm pretty sure your average Plymouth doesn't contain the kind of shit you'd need to make a functional Iron Man suit.

>>149426904
>extremely cute and has a sexy tummy

Neither of those things are true. Her actress has a fucking sloped ape skull and every time she mover her mouth it looks like the act is causing her physical pain.

The girls who play Natalie and the witch girl are both ten times more attractive than Riri. Hell, Clown is hotter than Riri, even with that retarded fucking nose ring.

Is it actually true Ironheart makes a deal with the Devil because she wants to be ICONIC?

>>149427034
okay retard

>>149426686
Yeah man poor Didney is so persecuted, they only have all of mainstream media glazing them 24/7 and every review site and even fucking Wikipedia constantly sweeping for them.

>>149427864
Worse. She makes a deal with the devil to get the AI that looks liker her sister back. Only Mephisto doesn't seem to understand the request and brings her actual dead stepsister back to life.

>>149427350
t. Too new to remember the reaction to Alpha

>>149425834 (OP)
I don't know what kind of bullshit ragebaiting you're trying to do, but that is what the right always wanted. stop being hoodlums, start being civilized. and that goes for everybody, that's not a color thing.
I'm reminded of that one Static Shock episode, Virgil's able to initially brush off Richie's dad's gruffness about the rap saying "that's not a black/white thing, that's an OLD thing" like yeah.. old people like music with actual tunes.

>>149428166
Making deals with the devil is what a Marvel hero does

>>149426904
This whole post is so bad it has to be bait.

>>149425834 (OP)
Sexisms trumps racism 10/10 times

>>149428576
Speak for yourself.

>>149426481
A basedgro if you could imagine

>>149426481
>wearing a Star Wars t-shirt in le current year
He's definitely a Disney paid reviewer

>>149428606
riding that Disney MUHvel train till the coal runs out

>>149426441
lmao that passive aggressive "k"

>>149426315
She's supposed to be good at tech, not "wise" smart.

>>149428802
See the thing is everyone likes to pretend "book" smarts dont apply to "street" smarts, but pretty much every person Ive ever met who says theyre street smart but not book smart tends to be a fucking idiot. Anyone smart enough to plan years ahead in terms of tech development should be able to plan 3 months ahead in their life.

>>149425834 (OP)
riri was never liked even in the comics, its amazing how they adapted that unlikeable character into the live action.

>>149425834 (OP)
Based autist vs cringe autist
it's that simple

>>149425853
/thread

>>149426835
>Black person disagrees with me?!
>Fucking nigger needs to stay on the plantation!!!

>>149425834 (OP)
One is a dumb Mary Sue and condescending bitch who looks about 12. She actively ignores and demeans others, never learns from her mistakes, and fails upwards and grows more powerful for no other reason than that she's a DEI character.

The other has clear limitations, at no point was condescending to anyone but some of Lex's goons - and his design is much cooler.

Mr. Terrific is fucking cool and I hope we see more of him. I couldn't care less about Ironshart and hope she gets retired as a character. I'm sure she could be retooled into an interesting character but I think we need like 7-10 years to take a break from her first she is unlikable.

>>149426904
You had me at Gunnslop and then immediently lost me again with your shitty defense of Iron Shart. Please deep throat a shot gun.

>>149426942
She had a lot of bad comics and a shitty TV series to you disingenous shit skull.

>>149426956
Yes she did.
>"No disrespect..."
>She said disrespectfully.

>>149427146
Like always, the left can't meme, so they steal from everyone else.

>>149425834 (OP)
For the same reason that wakanda is fucking cringe but gorilla city is awesome.

>>149427031
Steel is so cool. I'd love to see him in a DCU movie.

>>149429321 (me)
Meant to also say that the rocket hammer could be used in such a cool way for cinematography

>>149427454
you actually watched it? wtf is wrong with you

>>149425834 (OP)
They dropped the ball hard with Riri, she should've been Tony Stark's illegitimate daughter. It was right there in front of them.

I like Mr Terrific because he’s his own character and not just piggy backing off of some white character. Also helps his design is cool as fuck

Also enjoyed the blaxploitation style he had in the movie.

>>149429400
>I like Mr Terrific because he’s his own character and not just piggy backing off of some white character.

So you like Mr. Terrific because he’s a legacy character of a white character but dislike Iron Heart because she’s a legacy character to a white character..? Yeah that’s entirely logical and consistent.

Not a single thing current MCU shit likes to tote as impressive is even half as impressive as iron man building a miniature fusion reactor in a fucking cave in afghanistan

>>149426481
>>149426835
>>149428598
Earlier today I wore a Superman t-shirt while at college. I was approached by an old black man who told me not to watch the new Superman movie. He said it was too kiddie while the Snyder films were more adult. He complained Lois Lane wasn't attractive. He said that he's been watching Superman before I was even born, and that Lois Lane has always been a bitch. He said that Superman could do better, and could have any woman he wants or even multiple women. He also disagreed with me when I said Wonder Woman is as strong as Superman. I was and still am fucking gobmacked a near-elderly black guy would tell a complete stranger that he judges the quality of a movie based on how hot the female lead is, that Superman should have a harem, and powerscaling debates. I can only aspire to be so based.

>>149429438
The truth is that if it wasn't for the race rhetoric affecting their voting patterns, the majority of black people over the age of 40 would be viewed as conservatives.

>>149429413
>terry Sloane hasn’t been a major character for decades
>riri Williams became ironheart while Tony stark was in the pop culture zeitgeist

It’s the heckin same!

>>149429477
Easy with the mental gymnastics there, buddy

>>149429413
>So you like Mr. Terrific because he’s a legacy character of a white character but dislike Iron Heart because she’s a legacy character to a white character..? Yeah that’s entirely logical and consistent.
Mr. Terrific is a legacy character in that he took up an old defunct heroes ideals for inspiration.
Riri WIlliams took up a living white heroes name so she could join a criminal band and steal from people.
No difference at all, nope.

>>149429473
>If it weren’t for the republican policies directly affecting their lives negatively all the time black voters they wouldn’t vote this way

>>149429486
>mental gymnastics is pointing out differences

So what isn’t mental gymnastics in the context of disagreements?

>>149429390
No. She should have been related to Rhodey in some capacity.

>>149427135
A woman who isn't particularly pleasant, warm, affectionate or loving. She isn't a woman a guy would want to be in a romantic relationship or marry and that is why her and every single written female hero utterly fails. If I don't want to be with this woman then I don't want her on my screen. Move over so the men can do cool stuff.

>>149425834 (OP)
She's not terrific

Paraplegics can self insert onto Mr. Terrific and I think that's cool. He flies around and does cool stuff in his flying wheelchair thing.

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is an adult making his skills and knowledge much more reasonable to believe. Plus, he's Terrific.

Because most of those people aren't aware that Michael Holt is a legacy character and those who are aware never cared about Terry Sloane and don't care enough to pretend they do care about him.

>>149429438
Should've said that both suck and you're a Donnerchad.

>>149429574
>Tony Stark's illegitimate daughter with Rhodey
Y'know what, that might be an improvement.

Just don't like Bendis.
Simple as.

>>149425834 (OP)
>Law Abiding (except for when the law goes against his morals)
>smug but secure
>willing to admit when he's in over his head and ask for help
>takes care of his friends
Vs
>Self-absorbed Criminal
>Arrogant and insecure
>Will not admit to needing help until maybe the last minute
>Replaces her friend with an AI yes-man based on her memories of her friend

>>149429088
What?

I want his jacket. Its sick drip.

>>149428785
Tard

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is an OG original character and right is trying to be a replacement for Iron Man.

Right is also more poorly written than Left.

>>149425834 (OP)
left is a character (and a cool one), right is woke (also ugly)

>>149430147
Michael is a legacy character. The original Mr Terrific was a white guy named Terry Sloane.

>>149425834 (OP)
Well, Mister Terrific didn't get into MIT and pretend that wasn't as good of an opportunity as joining up with gangsters or making deals with demons... Are there any other questions?

>>149429438
>Lois Lane wasn't attractive
Was he gay?
She's the msot attractive Lois so far. This movie has no ugly women, and doesn't look like a movie made in current era

>>149430272
when cat grant first came on screen her boobs bounced so much and i was like holy fuck maybe we'll get accurate power girl

Since Riri is such good villain material, they may as well use her as such. Perhaps then people would watch her.

>>149430239
Say what you will about selling your soul, you only have to sell it once.

>>149430374
I think our best bet is that Supergirl has a costume/dress up montage where Kara wears the Power Girl costume and maybe makes a joke about it.

>>149427031
He's really not like Steel at all.
Steel is like Iron Man if he made it out the mud instead of being a silver-spoon trust fund kid.
He made weapons till he saw what they were being used for, then made a suit and started fighting the monster he created. He still has his own company.
Mister Terrific's origin is different. Suicidal widower ex-olympian tech genius meets the angel of vengeance and becomes a vigilante.

>>149429438
Now imagine he's white.

>>149430272
She's too skinny, no black man would hit that

>>149425834 (OP)
Left is a superhero, right is a dindu.

>>149429438
>I was and still am fucking gobmacked a near-elderly black guy would tell a complete stranger that he judges the quality of a movie based on how hot the female lead is
Black people do not give a single shit about white woman tumblr nonsense, they want to see ass and titties and aren't afraid to say so. They also overwhelmingly hate gay people and other minorities.

>>149429495
well no that's not what he said, because they like most people don't actually understand or pay any attention to how policies will actually affect their lives. Literally if democrats and republicans weren't constantly TALKING about race as an issue then a huge number of black people would blindly vote republican based on how much they hate gay people.

>>149430791
>Riri dindu nuffin heroic

T-spheres are cool and identifiable.
Replacement Tony Stark is cringe and boring.

Terrific is cool and do cool thing

Riri is cringe and do cringe thing

>>149425834 (OP)
black tech geniuses just dont exists. I have met plenty of black developers who can do good work, but I cant think about a black person who ever made a massive independent contribution to the field.

>>149430413
Well there's also the DCAU path where Power Girl is actually a clone of her, just like how Ultraman is a Superman clone in the new movie.

>>149425834 (OP)
i really liked him, cyborg felt weird being an adult and in the justice league
What's with this weird leftist "we need to play minorities against each other"? People just liked one over the other, there isn't any grander political message. Just make iron heart cooler and more likable if they want her to be more liked

>>149425834 (OP)
Mr. Terrific is just cool and badass while Iron Fart is gay and sucks. It's really that simple.

I pity the fool who makes deals with the literal devil!

>>149429587
>If I don't want to be with this woman then I don't want her on my screen.
that's how a lot of women feel about male characters

>>149425834 (OP)
One isn't a half-assed variant of a well-known existing one.
Granted there was a white, golden age Mr. Terrific but nobody cared about him anyway.

>>149430168
Did they have anything in common besides the name?

>>149428847
People think they're street smart, but they're just too poor to be targeted by scammers.

>>149425853
This. Left was made by Ostrander & Mandrake, making him kino by default