Now that the dust has settled, why was this movie a failure?

>>149434516 (OP)
do you want a banana

>>149434516 (OP)
Wokeslop about immigration and super smart black man that we have seen over and over and over and over again from Hollywood....

>>149434516 (OP)
Superman hasn't been culturally relevant since the first Richard Donner movie.

I saw this on twitter about why it was a really wrongheaded approach to Superman, I agree with most of it.

>>149434575
Don't forget it also had a scene dedicated to showing off how evil and bad the evil bad white male was by shooting a random jeet for no special reason other than to show off how evil and bad the white male was.

>>149434594
mucho texto

>>149434516 (OP)
Failure?
FAILURE?!?!?!

What do you mean failure? It has everything! It has a hecking good story about how we should love immigrants, how white men are always evil, how black men are the smartest people in the universe. How Superman needs to rely on Lois to rescue him every single day, and how Europeans are evil invaders that invade people and kill them because they are wrongbad!

>>149434657
No more than you average Silver Age comic.

>>149434598
oy vey IDF is the most moral army fellow goy... i mean fellow based white men

>>149434516 (OP)
>why was this movie a failure?
You're not going to sperg this into reality, Rajesh.

>>149434716
why do jeets love hack snyder so much?

>>149434669
the only evil white man in the movie is lex. what, did you want them to race swap him?

>>149434750
the boravians where white

>>149434746
>manly men commit massacres while mewing set to Hans Zimmer's BWAAAAAAM score
It reminds them of Bollywood.

>>149434516 (OP)
You tell me.

>>149434764
>the boravians where white

Ban India

>>149434516 (OP)
Because YOU didn't like it. Just you.

>>149434594
>I'm a Last Jedi fan!
Immediately disregarded

Why does /co/ keep[ spamming the narrative that this movie is a failure?

>>149434841
>Why does /co/ keep spamming the narrative that this movie is a failure?
It's not nighttime in India yet. We could have a normal discussion about this movie if the mods just rangebanned India.

>>149434841
It's likely going to barely break even and it's a terrible foundation to build on for the character.

>>149434841
...because it is one?

>>149434716
James Gunn didn't say this.

>>149434898
I wish every isp rangebanned India....

>>149434516 (OP)
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>>149434841
>/co/

Not how you spell /tv/.

>>149434934
He did actually. And Indians like >>149434912
and >>149434933 just refuse to take a hint.

Wait is that why Gunn put that weird out of place scene of the random Indian guy getting shot in the head into the movie?

>>149434973
Can't blame. I'm fucking tired of these spergs shitting up every website with their Snyder nonsense.
>SUPERMAN FLOP IN GUJARAT! IT FLOP IN BIG COUNTRIES LIKE GUYANA AND AZERBAIJAN! IT'S MASSIVE FAILURE!

>>149434575
But smart mary-sue white men are okay, right? Don't be a chud.

>>149435004
Can't blame him*

>>149434716
>only character who dies is a pajeet
>snyderbros portrayed as literal monkeys
Uhh

>>149434841
Because it's on track to make less than Man of Steel, both adjusted for inflation and unadjusted.
Also you can't really do a "cinematic universe" if the rest of the planet you're marketing movies to doesn't give a shit. It's bombing everywhere except the USA.

Because James Gunn made fun of power scalers.

>>149434594
Oh hey, I also saw that tweet
https://twitter.com/D4hz4hn/status/1945859027163812182
It's from that one guy who believes the Kents should always be dead.

So is the movie right-wing or left-wing propaganda

>>149434594
>refuses to read anything post-crisis because of Byrne
>21
Opinion discarded!

>>149434594
Birthright was cringe and Secret Origin shits all over it
Tired of Waid worship

>>149436135
Total Kent Death.

>>149434841
>/co/

lol. These are snyderpajeets spinning damage control, have you not been paying attention these past few years?

>>149434516 (OP)
because it looks lame next to this. Superman in the movies should be epic and grandiose.

>>149434516 (OP)
Why does this fucker look drastically different in every picture.
The toy sculptors can’t get him right at all so I know it’s not just me.

>>149436245
Cavill's too pale and Brits just can't play American superheroes

>>149434594
Wild to link Byrne's reboot with the 'Jor-El is evil' angle when that's not a Byrne invention at all.

People who obsess over Henry Cavill are gay.

>>149434594
>Listening to a Zoomer ramble
He doesn't even know why Pre-Crisis Supes was good to begin with.

>>149436394
They didn't say that, just the Byrne foregrounded Superman's human (specifically American) side to the detriment of his Kryptonian heritage, the movie does the same thing but takes it even further by making Jor-El a fascist conqueror and Superman's evil origins are only redeemed by his human (American) upbringing.

>>149434716
>Rajesh.
I hate to tell you this but India is the only place besides the US were this movie is doing well

>>149436410
They self-insert as him because he's a nerd instead of just getting fit themselves. I doubt either Cavill or Corenswet would bother attacking a comic movie they didn't like

>>149436445
India is the only place besides the US where the DC brand isn't in complete shambles thanks to the shitty Snyderverse.

>>149434764
Jewish actually

>>149436246
It's the wide-angle lenses they used for the movie, distorting different parts of his face based on which way he's facing or angled to the camera.

I liked the film enough, but there 100% was an hour of it cut at the start of it. It REALLY feels like the middle of the film with the climax being half way through. It hurts the film heavily since I do not give a fuck about Superman and the film gives more screentime to the justice gang anyways. It's not insultingly bad, but it's obviously slop they wanted to push out and it really does feel AI written. I did look at my watch a couple of times during the climax too.

I hope the Green lantern films can be much better and Batman 2 will be good.

>>149434716
Shut up bitch, you're projecting

>>149434516 (OP)

>>149434516 (OP)
It wasn't a failure?

>>149436135
I generally agree with this.
The Superboy TV show had the only Ma and Pa Kent I actually liked, they were endearing characters, and the only version who actually seemed like farmers. I fucking hated the stock befuddled romantic comedy parents they became in Lois and Clark.

>>149436245
Corenswet tore Cavill’s puny super suit to shreds

>>149434516 (OP)
It was too soon for a reboot and people were still asking for more of the Snyderverse. Also Superman is lame.

>>149437127
Spoony should've been Superman

>>149434516 (OP)
The movie is a liberal cope for losing the election twice so it's doing great with upper-class Americans but the rest of the world don't get the message. Granted, TDK was really about the Bush invasions and how America was still right but it was an entertaining action thriller, until the last 20 minutes become nationalistic propaganda, but still the hype was big enough to secure a strong box office

>>149434516 (OP)
where are her wings?

>>149437279
bloatmaxxed

>Beat projected domestic gross for opening weekend
>Has the strongest Monday/Tuesday ticketsales of 2025
>The weekend to mid-week/Wednesday dropoff is only like -8%
>Is basically tracking the same as Batman Begins
>Has strong word of mouth and is expected to smash its second week projections (which were really low, WB expected a massive 52% drop-off for weekend two and that's looking unlikely now)
>Is showing strong retention in an era where movies are struggling hardcore to draw in theater audiences
Superman was anything but a failure.

>>149438339
you can see them shifting their cope from "it will flop" to "it's failing internationally" and now "it's doing well in india" because we kept calling them indians
it's a lose/lose situation for them.

>>149434516 (OP)
>Mr. Bighead thinks he's the son of krypton!

>>149438394
My favorite cope is that Man of Steel had a better first weekend. Man of Steel was released in an era where DC had good faith with audiences and people were actually going to see movies in theaters. In a post-Endgame box office Superman is seeing a positive response despite the negative reception of DC films.

Snyderfags were the laughing stock of the world like five of six times in a row. They wanted a win here and are desperate to not have definitive proof that we want fun movies

>>149434516 (OP)
>TOO many fucking characters in the movie
>pacing is fucked, the only scene with breathing room is the boring argument between Lois and Clark that gets dragged out
>getting the Flash director was a mistake with how he shoots flying and fighting scenes
>Marvel humor with serious scenes getting undermined with a joke
>Krypto is an annoying fuck
>dialogue is awful like that rant he has at the end describing his character
>worldbuilding drops a bunch of shit on you like pocket universes, multiple heroes and a fucking war
>uninteresting use of his powers and Gunn forgot he has super hearing
>Superman is just another over emotional manchild protag because thats all Gunn can make
>Superman spends more time getting his ass beat while side characters do the real work despite this being year 3 for him
many more problems to list but I'd be here all day, like this movie is gonna age like absolute shit

>>149438644
The jokes mostly sucked, everything else was fine. Superman lost once to Ultraman at the start and Kryptonite is his weakness so no, he didn't get his ass kicked the whole movie. He probably took the least humiliating loss of any onscreen Superman

>>149438669
He gets beat by Ultraman before the start of the film and the only time he's at full power after that is the fight with the Kaiju where he was more focused on saving people. He spends the entire back half of the movie at half strength because he was Kryptonite poisoned. Even then, he uses his brain and brawn to absolutely clown on them.

>>149438644
He has to be weak you see because if he was smart and had any level of competence then how else could Gunn justify the other characters he crammed in this movie including the stupid dog

>>149438703
The raptors even frantically point out they have to kill him while he's temporarily weakened. The giant monster didn't even hurt him. On top of that he beat the Engineer and Ultraman at the end.

>>149438725
He has to be weak you see because if he was smart and had any level of competence then how else could Snyder justify Superman continuing to eat Kryptonite rounds from slow ass weak ass Batman

Remember when he got a sink busted over his head like a fucking wrestling match? At least Routh had to be stabbed and poisoned by an entire island of Kryptonite

>>149438748
Yeah I really don't get the complaints about him not being competent. The Raptors went down easy despite him being weakened at the time. Engineer only got the upper hand on him because he was trying to talk her and Ultraman into betraying Lex. Once he realized that was pointless he took her down easy while choking on nanites. Ultraman went down easily once he had Krypto kill the cameras.
>>149438725
But the other characters never take from Superman. They fight fodder in the final act. And not even super powered fodder. I guess they kill the Kaiju but he was actively trying not to harm it. He could have beaten it if he actually tried but he was still reading the situation.

One of the best little details about the movie is that during the Kaiju fight no in the area panics because they all trust Superman to keep them safe. They keep working, they eat breakfast, they stand and watch him. How can you feel like Superman wasn't competent after seeing that level of trust from the people?

>>149438339
The movie cost over 300mil without marketing which would probably be like 200mil on top and WB wants it to make it to half a billion which unlikely at this point
It'd be lucky to break even if they leave it in theaters longer, I wouldn't say this is a complete failure but the cope that the most well known superhero in the world doesnt need to at least make it to bad dinosaur movie numbers which is already over 500 mil considering how much they put into it is ridiculous

>>149438854
He also immediately flew into space tanking a shitton of punches to the chest, head, and stomach and then divebombed back into Earth immediately stopping the Engineer and basically kneecapping Ultraman. He wasted no fucking time.

>>149438857
It is pretty likely it'll make 400-500 mil and people never take into account that marketing makes its own money back since companies like Dairy Queen and Spin Master pay millions to use the movie's license.

>>149438857
Source?

>>149438979
It depends on if it has legs, probably around 300 mil maybe 400 purely from domestically carrying it is my guess when its done
>>149438999
The movies tax credit from their filming in Ohio, marketing number is purely speculative

>>149439294
If it makes 300-400 domestic then it'll make 500mil since the international box office is going to make at most 150 million by the end of its run which will kick it over the edge with the strong domestic run. I think everything depends on Fantastic Four. I'm really not sure how well that movie will do. I don't see much actual hype for it. I think it'll do better internationally at least, but if WOM for Fantastic Four is bad I think Superman will have a strong fourth week since there are quite a few people that are waiting to see which film will be worth the money.

>India hates it
Explain the meme.

>>149436492
so white

>>149439711
It's vaguely anti-Israel (the secondary villain is kind of a Israel-Russia fusion) and Indian nationalists really love Israel for some reason.

>>149439783
>>149439711
Its because Indians love the Snyderverse and are convinced it was some huge success that was cut short because it was overtly masculine and not because it was the laughing stock of the free world.

>>149434516 (OP)
Fuck off monke.

>>149436492
Awfully fucking Slavic for a bunch of alleged Jews.

>>149439711
It's not a meme. They're literally all fucking Indians.
>>149436445
>India is the only place besides the US were this movie is doing well
>anti-Gunn Snydercultists are all Indian
Those two things are not mutually exclusive at all, Paneer. Your average jeet probably doesn't care about the drama and just consumes capeslop. But the terminally online Snyder cultists are pretty much all brown, jeet or beaner.

>>149434516 (OP)
Pro palishit propaganda
White man bad
brown man good

>>149434973
I liked that indian guy. He had no family so he's content to be a servant.

>>149436450
Corenswet is a nerd too, he just hasn't mentioned warhammer, which has one of the most degenerate and desperate fanbases around so they latched onto him. It's why there are so many grimdarkfags who want the snyderverse back

>>149436410
Cavil is the hotter man, but Corenswet was the better Clark Kent and Superman.

>>149438644
>TOO many fucking characters in the movie
No such thing, even in the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

>pacing is fucked, the only scene with breathing room is the boring argument between Lois and Clark that gets dragged out
It was paced just fine.

>getting the Flash director was a mistake with how he shoots flying and fighting scenes
Hell are you talking about?

>Marvel humor with serious scenes getting undermined with a joke
Pearlclutching about quips and "Marvel humor" is a meme.

>Krypto is an annoying fuck
Sounds like you're not a dog person, considering he's barely in the movie.

>dialogue is awful like that rant he has at the end describing his character
It's a comic book movie, not Werner Herzog.

>worldbuilding drops a bunch of shit on you like pocket universes, multiple heroes and a fucking war
Why are you going into a Superman movie to nitpick about shit you know nothing about?

>uninteresting use of his powers and Gunn forgot he has super hearing
nonissue

>Superman is just another over emotional manchild protag because thats all Gunn can make
false

>Superman spends more time getting his ass beat while side characters do the real work despite this being year 3 for him
If you can't see the point behind this, then the entire movie is lost on you.

>>149434516 (OP)
With International Audiences, well they love the Snyderverse and gravitate towards darker more nuanced and introspective DC Films. The fact that Joker and The Batman have been DC's only true internationally successful projects should make that pretty obvious to WB/DC. Yet somehow it doesn't.

Without Mr Terrific how would this version of superman close the rift?

>>149435019
this idiot got anxiety from flying into space. kek

>>149441110
I still find funny that Joker became a symbol of the radical left around the world but the director was mad for allegedelly giving a symbol to the alt right

>>149440799
such a weird scene.
>0 government officials present for this interrogation
>random pajeet street vender with 0 family and wishes to die cos he met superman
>Lex actually taking the interrogation seriously and not just lying to the government and killing superman on the spot

>>149438644
>>worldbuilding drops a bunch of shit on you
There is no worldbuilding. Nothing matters random shit just happens.

>>149434516 (OP)
I'd say the most glaring issue is that Superman loses every fight. The only one he wins, it's due to Krypto's intervention and even then it quickly turns back against him, and only due to a stroke of luck and debris he wins it in the end.
When I think Superman, I think the strongest hero. So if I watch a movie where his shit is constantly, CONSTANTLY getting pushed in, I just think this is superbitch instead.

Other than that, there was like 0 original soundtrack. Most of the film had the old theme on a loop to the point of being obnoxious. I got so fed up of hearing the same thing after 10 minutes. C'mon. It's a theme clearly meant for an intro or the climax, but they just play it all the time.

The outfit was ugly and baggy. I don't know if the actor trained for the role or not, but if he did then it's a shame because it didn't do his body justice at all. And the shorts kept looking like a miniskirt from the side.

And other than that, well, it was boring. It's AGAIN Superman fights an enemy with his same powers. They did it in MoS. I'd count Doomsday as that on steroids, so they did it in BvS. Do they really need to do that again? Is it that hard to write a villain for superman that isn't a carbon copy of the character? This shit has been done since Iron Man in 2008. Get new ideas. You have so many damn comics to pick from.

>>149434746
Seems he lives rent free in your head. You're the first to bring him up in the thread.

>>149434516 (OP)

Never planned on seeing this. But lil sis wanted to see it and was paying.
God this shit was mid.
Drop in the middle of a already developed universe fine. I'm game.

But God was it awful way to do it. Was this shit explained in Peacemaker or some shit?
Justice Gang are corporate heros. Why? How? Who's hall of justice is that? Why is it just those three. Where is their shit from who ever runs the show.

No breathing room. Everything is just constantly going and going. Superman has to do this and this. I Justice gang is just there to solve the Bolibior shit in the end.
Pocket dimension....sure. Just there to keep supes away when Ultraman could have done it with a fight in metropolis.

Civilians are stupid as shit. Why are they constantly just standing around in the big battles. Wasn't that something ppl complained about with MOS? That ppl were put in danger of is better cuz they showed the few folks he did save. Nevermind I'm sure ppl still got hurt.

It was. Mess and a clear overcorrection of complaints about Snyder instead of being it's own thing.

Jimmy is also a dick. Eve was a jem and doesn't need him. Cat Grant and Perry were wasted.
Jokes suck and feel first draft.

Pa Kent was alright but Ma Kent was a nothingburger. Just felt like Gunn was like "Jents equal old ppl" especially with ma.
Plotline about the message is dropped with no resolution. 3rd smartest man instantly believe Luthor. The whole shit was stupid.

I get what he's tried to do but if u introduced it and then make a clear line between how Supes is because of how the Jents actually raise him and make them appear more. Snyder made Ma Kent a compelling character at least.

>>149441111
He would have given a speech to Lex's people and let them do it. They wanted to do it anyway. Also outside of the silver age no version of Superman would be able to close the rift because he's not a tech-based character and it required a tech-based solution.

>>149441365
Ok so Lex is correct superman is all brawn and no brain. Why exactly is this version of Lex envious of this superman? Guy cant even use a tape recorder. Too dumb to save the day.

>>149441322
>But God was it awful way to do it. Was this shit explained in Peacemaker or some shit?
>Justice Gang are corporate heros. Why? How? Who's hall of justice is that? Why is it just those three. Where is their shit from who ever runs the show.
Peacemaker's trailer shows they're funded by Maxwell Lord. Ultimately, its not really important to the plot who funds them. Where did this obsession with every little unimportant detail needed to be explained come from?
>Why are they constantly just standing around in the big battles.
Because they trust Superman to keep them safe.
>Pa Kent was alright but Ma Kent was a nothingburger. Just felt like Gunn was like "Jents equal old ppl" especially with ma.
According to interviews he consulted actual Kansas farmers the age of the Kents to build their characters. I felt like both were highlights of the film. They were just good natured people that love their son.

Also Terrific didn't just believe Luthor. He said the message was real. He asked Superman for details but he never actually gave up on him, which is why he helped Lois.

>>149441427
And yet Lex was only ever able to beat him through a copy of Clark's brawn with no brains

>>149441427
Superman not knowing shit about pocket dimensions doesn't make him stupid. He was able to best Lex's strategies multiple times in the final act, showing his brains. But like I said Superman is not a tech-based character. Gunn created a tech-based problem for the tech-based character to solve while Superman solved other problems that were within his skillset.

lex just enters supermans fotress hacks his computer and leaves? He didn't get anymore info on superman being in his home? Nothing?

>>149441453
Yeah, literally everyone on the heroes side got something to do. Besides Hawkgirl being the least developed major character I can't understand the idea of complaining that the other cast members aren't just useless. Even the (well casted but not in the film as much as they should've been) daily planet guys got to do stuff to fast track an article on all of Lex's bullshit. Do people just want Superman to be the one to do literally everything in the movie?

>>149441466
Why is it so small. It's the size of an small outhouse. Everything was just right there.

Yes they said it's locked to his DNA but that's why I like the key only he or another Kryptonian can lift.

>>149434594
>>149436135
>>149436416
Say what you will about Dahzahn, he's read more Superman than most Anons
https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dazan

>>149434831
If he'd made this face in the movie while flying it would have been kino

>>149441501
Also the reason those characters act in the final act of the film is because they're motivated and inspired by Superman. Without him nothing would have been accomplished. Gunn told a story about how Superman inspires others to be better people.

>>149441501
superman spends the entire movie acting emotional and irrational. He needs mommy louis to explain to him geopolitics. I understand I would be pissed if some broke into my home and stool my dog. But in that moment you stay calm and think of a plan to get him back. Instead he gets angry and acts like an idiot. This is not a hero. Why is superman being portrayed as an motion l manchild? And why is Mr terrific a stoic calm and smart person who thinks things through? Why did Gunn turn superman into Star lord?

>>149441322
>Justice Gang are corporate heros. Why? How? Who's hall of justice is that?
This isn't The Boys. Guy, Terrific, and Hawkgirl might not play by Superman's rules, but they're not amoral corporate bastards.

>>149441466
You're just asking questions in search of answers.

>>149441562
Why are they motivated by superman metahumans have existed for 300 years. This is the only time this has happened? No metahumans joined in ww2?

>>149441501
Only Lois and Jimmy do anything. Grant and the other guys are just there for nerds to be distracted by that horrible wig they gave Cat's actress.

This movie has bloat to justify the fact Gunn cant focus on a single player story with a small supporting cast. Cut off the Justice gang and the pocket dimension shit.

Just have Supes trying to struggle on being the hero he wants to be with two hit pieces against him aka the message and the notirsreal plotline.

Rd b dhd

>>149441447
>Human clones a perfect copy of an alien.
Movie wants me to believe said Human is envious of retard alien who can't install his home with cameras or a chip to track his dog like 99% of humans do.

kek

>>149441570
Supes literally calls them the corporate heros. There is even tv screens that say corporate heros about what they did.

So again....where did the hall of justice come from. Why are they sitting in an empty event hall when Lois finds them.

>>149441576
Who said they didn't? Superman gives hope to the modern age and the people of Metropolis, his city. The JSA (who are referenced in the background) surly inspired people in their day but the movie isn't about them. Its about Superman inspiring others to make the right choice.
>>149441607
>Cut off the Justice gang and the pocket dimension shit.
Why? If the DCU is a fully fleshed out world filled with superheroes why shouldn't those heroes appear as minor supporting characters? I liked that Superman didn't just make the characters pointless cameos the way Marvel did during much of the MCU. I want to see the heroes interact with one another beyond just yelling at each other too. I hated that all the Marvel movies featured the characters just fighting with each other while telling us they were good friends.

>>149441607
The Israeli conflict should've been the main plotpoint with lex behind the scenes trying to kill supes.

>>149434594
are niggers so fucking retarded to not understand that the message was doctored? It literally starts with "We love you more than heaven, son" and ends with "fuck all the hoes you can get, make Krypton great again". It literally came from Lex Luthor, the guy that literally has trained monkeys to shitpost on twitter 24/7.

>>149441630
I dunno, OP. Who pumps the tires on the Batmobile?

>>149441649
>Why? If the DCU is a fully fleshed out world filled with superheroes why shouldn't those heroes appear as minor supporting characters?
They shouldn't take up so much space in a superman movie. Clark is a dumbass through and through. Why cant the justice Gang do all the work? They're smarter and more capable than Clark. Plus not dumb enough to hand themselves in to Lex Luthor.

>>149441676
The film itself reinforces that it's legit

>>149435019
There are at least many real world examples of smart White men. Smart black men are a fantasy which is why everyone takes note of them in fictional stories.

>>149441649
In Superman's first movie. I wanted the focus to be on him. And his mythos.Especially when they don't do shit.

Maybe terrific but that was just laughs at the straight man.

Again it just adds bloat. So much you are rushing to resolve so much shit alot doesn't matter. He's in jail for two minutes. A fucking baby is put in danger for laughs. Why are there two movies that do this with babies. The dog is so fucking annoying.
>>149441655
Yeah it should have been.

>>149441680
Batman. Like it's established lore that he finds the Justice League when he's on it. But here it's three guys. Does terrific fun this shit? He cried about his spheres being expensive.

>Yeah I put a tracker inside supermans blood stream without him knowing, plus all my crew
How convenient.
I guarantee this will never come up again in future movies.

>>149441697
Yeah and it's still FROM Luthor with "the language experts say it's real and legit".

>>149441718
Alot of shit isn't coming back again.

>>149441721
Luthor hasn't been established as untrustworthy tho. A hater but not untrustworthy.

>>149441680
>Who pumps the tires on the Batmobile?
Do you seriously think Batman doesn't know how to pump some fucking tires

>>149441742
Luthor argued with the US govt that Superman's popularity is tanking, all the while he has monkey shills posting negative posts about Superman. He IS untrustworthy when it comes to Superman, the film establishes that he will do anything to ruin Superman.

If you view this as a parody then it works. Otherwise its James Gunn taking the piss and being paid for it. I truly have not seen a director not give a fuck more than him. Uwe boll atleast seemed to care about Postal and those rampage movies.

>>149441766
To us the audience,but not the in universe
Us government.

Even that stupid as fuck. Cuz are they just allowing him to throw ppl in this pocket dimension? With no regulation.

Crossbones just walks him up to the thing. No one else goes with him. So Luthor clearly has unchecked power in contracts. Cuz he was in charge with the interogation.

>149441772
>Uwe boll

It's not 2006. Update your references.

>>149441795
I was going to say taika waititi but he does seem to actually care just not about super hero stuff. Gunn is Uwe Boll but with money.

>>149441437
This movies does a lot of talking a simple line about who funded them would make me happy.

It's not about them trusting him. Buildings are falling and shit. Why are they standing around. like even after getting fire blasted they stayed in that room. Why are you standing the battle zone. Trust him to give you time to get to safety.

Again I didn't have anything again Pa but Man did nothing. I don't think she had more then 10 lines. It was mostly Pa.

And saying the message is real and then following it up with experts tested it as well. He believed it but also doesn't like Luthor.

>>149438644
True, also to me it felt like the 3rd movie in a trilogy. Like if the MCU started with Cap 3: Civil War or some shit

>>149441790
>To us the audience,but not the in universe
In universe the proof should be the exposé published by the Daily Planet. I wish they expanded more on that.
>Even that stupid as fuck. Cuz are they just allowing him to throw ppl in this pocket dimension? With no regulation.
They were paying him to lmao

>Has a clone of superman
>Never uses said clone to frame superman for murder
>Instead breaks into his home for no reason
>Needs the governments permission to do the thing you were planning to do anyway

>>149441888
So before the message they were truly just "he's too popular to arrest or interrogate right now"

Yeah the ending expose should have been longer aftermath.

>>149441906
>So before the message they were truly just "he's too popular to arrest or interrogate right now"
Same as Superman before the whole "fuck all the bitches, son" fiasco.

>>149441625
Anon you fucking dumbass, Luthor literally sent in a woman made of fucking nanomachines to hack the place, do you really think she wouldn't have trashed the security recordings?
As for tracking Krypto, they literally made a whole plot point about how the Interdimensional Void cannot be tracked from within our universe. That's exactly where they sent Krypto.

>>149434844
based hope pilled

>>149441790
Lex is basically the president of this universe. He can do what ever he wants at any time. No one oversees the shit he does. He's told No on the superman kill plan only because it will look bad and they dont have enough evidence. The fact they allowed him to create his own death squad is alarming.

Is this how James Gunn views American politics? Bunch of brown people with sticks fighting US backed Allies?

>>149441701
>In Superman's first movie. I wanted the focus to be on him.
But none of them take focus away from Superman. They're supporting characters. The film never focuses on them over Superman and everything they do is in support of spotlighting Superman's character.
>The Justice Gang kills the Kaiju while Superman argues that it has a right to live, showing Superman's kindness
>Lois goes to see the Justice Gang for help but learns for the most part they don't entirely share Superman's values.
>Superman's grief for the dead citizen inspires Metamorpho to be brave enough to trust him.
>Guy Gardner, Hawkgirl, and Metamorpho appear to stop the war from breaking out because what Superman represents to the citizens inspires them to make the right choice. For Guy and Hawkgirl this also shows a bit of growth from earlier in the film where they didn't go help Lois.
Mr Terrific is a slight exception to this because he's the superhero supporting character with the most focus, but even he acts based on what Superman stands for in just about every scene. He NEVER overshadows Superman either. He gets his shit beat in by Ultraman and The Engineer and stays down until he shuts the rift down. And no shutting the rift down does not mean he's overshadowing Superman. Superman still did everything else. None of the hero characters ever take from Superman or overshadow him. This idea is absolutely a result of Marvel using heroes not as characters but as scene stealing cameo selling points for 99% of the MCU. The Justice Gang are just characters in the movie that only serve as a tool to move the themes and plot of the film forward.

I dont see how Supergirl is not gonna be an actual failure if Superman is mid, fast tracking Wonder Woman is what they shouldve did to begin with
Only core JL members should have movies

>>149441625
>Movie wants me to believe said Human is envious of retard alien
Lex Luthor

>>149439783
>some reason
India likes the enemy of their enemies. They like Israel for making Muslims mald like they like Nazi Germany for making the British mald.

>>149441900
>Has a clone of superman
>Never uses said clone to frame superman for murder
Literally just The Boys. But yeah, Superman shows up, and says "who cloned me" and the clone says nothing because it's retarded and can only punch.

>>149441945
They tracked superman using a device from Mr terrific. Something tard brain superman never thought of. Also this random earth person can hack kryptonation technology? kek

Movie is so dumb.

>>149441975
The Kaiju shit was stupid as well. Where was you gonna take it. He could barely lift it. How was he gonna take it off world. Call up Hal?

And it was a stupid way to show that superman doesn't kill. Which is why that whole scene exist. You don't need it. His previous actions show it fine.

it’s WOKE!
https://youtu.be/yj5veHv-Ylg

>>149442023
He says in the scene that he's trying to figure out a way because he can't lift it. He's idealistic and it informs his character. There was nothing wrong with the scene at all.
>>149442003
Because Mr. Terrific has microchipped Superman. He hasn't microchipped Krypto because the two had never met (something the movie makes sure to tell you) so he can't track Krypto.

>>149442023
Stuff like this is rather easy to solve. Writers are just lazy. This movie is already goofy why not just batman swing by with his kaiju repellant that puts it to sleep. Have the superman bots carry it away to some island with all the other kaiju monsters they saved. Is that any more dumb than what actually happens?

>>149442052
>He hasn't microchipped Krypto
Any good owner microchips their dog. Clark is a soi zoomer/millennial who follows all the rules. No way would he not chip Krypto.

>>149441977
Supergirl is rumored to only have a 45-50 million dollar budget. WB's hope with this movie is that good word of mouth and a serious of lower budget films will help build brand-faith for the DC brand so that the large budget projects do well. Clayface is confirmed to have a 40 million dollar budget. So they really only need to do 100-200 million to be financially successes in WB's eyes. Which is easily doable.

>>149442052
So if it gets back up again while trying to figure it out? Knock a few more building down and knock it out.
There are better ways to show it.
>>149442071
It didn't need to be a Kaiju. If we are showing an established world why not have someone like the royal flush for a nice nod or some shit or the hammer show up again.

>>149442089
>Clark
>Krypto's owner
You have not seen the movie.

>>149442104
Clayface is still to high budget. That shit has no hope of breaking even. It should be sold to prime to release

>>149442052
>There was nothing wrong with the scene at all.
Everything is wrong with that scene. He would have contingency plans for wild animals. Seriously why are superman writers afraid to give the guy some gadgets if they want him to be this faggot pacifist? We've solved these problems in the real world, we use dart guns and nets. Superman cant use these things?

>>149442121
>You have not seen the movie.
Thats more of a reason for him to chip the dog. "My dumb cousin is off drinking and is irresponsible she hasn't even chipped the dog".
I'm also shocked Gunn never made any dog poop jokes.

Unless its batman or spiderman. Writers dont even try. They really do not give a shit in trying to make a superman work. All these movie adaptations and he's still the same lug head moron who never thinks.

>>149442124
Why? A Batmail villain horror movie written by a writer who has some credit to his name seems like an easy sell for the public. I think the only thing holding it back is the subpar director they got to shoot the script but with a 40 million dollar budget they're easily going to make it back. The reason the Sony Spidervillain films failed was because none of those characters can be inserted into the generic superhero capeshit formual and work, nor do any of them work without Spider-Man. Clayface meanwhile can work in a horror film even without Batman. The shift in genre is the key.

>>149442047
Damn norwood reaper destroyed you.

>>149441977
>Superman
>Supergirl
>Clayface
>Swamp Thing
>The Authority
>Batman and Damien
>Wonder Woman
not even including shows, I dont know what hes doing. Zaslav or someone has to step in to trim some of this shit. Making the same mistake of giving every B to C lister a show like MCU. Just how are we getting an Authority movie before Justice League

To the people saying "The message was obviously fake" it's pretty much irrelevant. All the characters believe it's real and the resolution of the film treats it as being real. If they reveal that it's actually fake in the next movie that doesn't fix this movie.

>>149442230
Clayface isn't a very well known villain and most people don't have any interest of seeing a film with one of Batman's B or C list rogues if he's not a central element.

>>149442496
Clayface is absolutely one of Batman's most recognizable villains and the movie isn't looking to clear a billion. It's easily going to make 100-200 mil and make back its modest 40 million dollar budget because horror movies in October are insanely profitable.

>>149442559
>Clayface is absolutely one of Batman's most recognizable villains
Maybe to comic readers but certainly not to mainstream audiences. Many of Batman's villains are pop culture icons. The same cannot be said of Clayface.

Good. It deserves to fail for turning Kara from a wholesome teen Aryan to a cringe roastie party whore

>>149434516 (OP)
Give it another week & we'll see, but so far the movie is great

>>149434575
it wasn't woke and the black guy was cool.

>>149434594
>using Star Wars as a positive example
You people need to watch more films.

>>149436143
Only "political" things the movie do is when a journalist say: "finally something both dems and reps can agree with: Lex Luthor is an asshole" (praphrasing)
And there is no pro-immigrant narrative whatsoever. Online monkey just want to claim the movie, as usual

>>149436968
"In media res" has been a thing since things like "in media res" was current speech

>>149437905
Folded in her ass

>>149438644
>>TOO many fucking characters in the movie
Like... Superman, a side team of 3 people (only one who does plot stuff). 1 villain with a henchwoman and a plot device brute?
>>pacing is fucked, the only scene with breathing room is the boring argument between Lois and Clark that gets dragged out
The L&C argument good and one of the parts with a bit of actual substance
>>getting the Flash director was a mistake with how he shoots flying and fighting scenes
not a criticism. it wasn't a flaw, just a personal taste
>>Marvel humor with serious scenes getting undermined with a joke
not a thing. No scene was undermined the marvel way except see next point
>>Krypto is an annoying fuck
definitely overused. should have had a scene in the beginning to introduce it, go for the flying cameras win the final fight and the Luthor beating because the beast deserved retribution.
>>dialogue is awful like that rant he has at the end describing his character
what?
>>worldbuilding drops a bunch of shit on you like pocket universes, multiple heroes and a fucking war
he plot was fairly linear and the few concept introduced are simple too. Do you complain about evey movie with more than one but max 4 macguffins?
>>uninteresting use of his powers and Gunn forgot he has super hearing
it's the more interesting use of powers in a superman nomvie since the 80s. Returns just lifted things and snydershit just punched things.
>>Superman is just another over emotional manchild protag because thats all Gunn can make
No he wasn't?
>>Superman spends more time getting his ass beat while side characters do the real work despite this being year 3 for him
what?

What I concluded anwering your inane rant is that you only watched the trailer and were just prepared to hate it for no reasons. Of all the flaws the movie may or may not have, you only addressed bullshit that doesn't exist (exept the dog thing, that you still only say because trailer)

>>149440717
Where in the movie?

>>149441110
>With International Audiences, well they love the Snyderverse and gravitate towards darker more nuanced and introspective DC Films
Literally things that never happened.
Also snydershit isn't nuanced or introspective. Unless with that you mean frowning emotionally stunted adults and muddy color(less) palette
snydershit went down even at peak capeshit fad for a reason

>>149441845
>This movies does a lot of talking a simple line about who funded them would make me happy.
Literally their first appearance in the movie has Guy saying they're sponsored by LordTech as part of their introduction spiel.

>>149441204
The old theme is basically superman movie theme.
Blame that being that good and noone else being up to the task of making something better

Agree about the nu52 costume and anti-superman villains

He doesn't lose every fight, you are being hyperbolic. And winning thank to a debris during a fight in the mid of a debris storm doesn't count as luck. but yeah, the dog is overused

>>149436143
It's anti-israel

>>149441699
>There are at least many real world examples of smart White men
And you're not one of them.

>>149442966
That wasn't a journalist. That was Maxwell Lord.

>>149443071
How in tarnation did Israel manage to get the world against it in such a short period?
They REALLY can't help themselves, now can they?

>>149440320
Not a single name in that list is Indian

>>149441322
Most of this shit is nitpicking, hyperbole or never happened.
What made you that emotional, JC?

>>149443026
Learn english if youre gonna keep making worthless greentext post like this

>>149441427
>Why exactly is this version of Lex envious of this superman?
People loving Superman instead ot worshipping him?

>>149441564
You are writing and saying things like an emotional manchild

>>149441576
Because there wasn no Superman before 3 years ago in that universe, hellooo?

>>149441607
Wtf are you saying?
Are you complaining that the Daily Planet has a staff?
Stop complaining about things that aren't problems

>>149441676
Honestly you cannot know. It's possible that that part is just half assed writing-wise, but true

>>149442968
In media res implies there's a flashback. This one is practically Lost in Media Res trope, the one I remember that does this is roughly Final Fantasy XIII and even those eventually have flashbacks

>>149434516 (OP)
so is supergirl going to get black boyfriend? ngl sick of these messages

>>149438857

Marketing was apparently around 100 million since WB had a lot of it done by subsidiaries.

>>149443071
the furthest this movie's political message goes is "its bad to wantonly massacre civilians for no reason". boravia is very obviously telegraphed as Russia even.
Israelis getting mad at the movie are mostly just telling on themselves lol

>>149434716
I'm afraid it's already been spergened

>>149434516 (OP)
Because Hollywood in general is failing?

>>149434516 (OP)
Childish, it feels like what a Shazam movie should be instead, not all the characters in the movie have to have a big role>( Mr Terrific, Lois, Olsen, Krypto), Superman feels like a background character from time to time, the first half of the movie is rushed, it has lots of stupid shits that Gunn should have removed from the script, the ending with the dog vs Luthor is atrocious, Luthor shouldn't overact.

>>149441676
Idk made sense to me.
Why would the kryptonians care about an alien planet they know almost nothing about.
They care about their son, and that their legacy lives on through Kal.

Its like that twilight zone eps where Adam and Eve are two different aliens stranded on Earth. You would expect them to live on and repopulate the planet with their offspring.

>>149443046
The International BO says otherwise.

>>149434764
Russians aren't white.

I'm gonna blame Zack Snyder

> Superman earned around $11M on Thursday (-6.6% from Wednesday)
Practically a 0% drop from day to day. Superman is performing like a Tom Cruise movie, not capeshit.
What's the next cope, Snyderjeets? Are you going to tell me it's a failure because it flopped in Belarus and Zimbabwe?

>>149434516 (OP)
I don't go to the theaters often and I went to see it. It's pretty good. I thought Lex looked like Billy Corgan so the whole time I was waiting for him to say "the world is a vampire".

>>149443046
Regardless of your views on the Snyderverse, they made a lot of money in both International and domestic markets and the BO for DC Movies in both markets fell significantly after he was fired.
Only 4 Post-Snyder made over $300m combined at the BO. Those Being Shazam, Joker, The Batman, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom and of those 4 only Joker and The Batman were massive hits.
Bottom line is when Zack Snyder left DC, a significant chunk of movie goers left with him and DC films have suffered Internationally at the BO.

>>149442411
>Zaslav or someone has to step in to trim some of this shit.

After the Coyote VS Acme debacle, I think he's holding off on cutting.

>>149442559
There's two kinds of Clayface: the classic actor who can change appearances with really good movie makeup (also appeared in Caped Crusader), and the shapeshifting mud monster (the one from BTAS). Guess which one the audience will gravitate to?

>>149443026
>definitely overused
I didn't think he was that overused, but yes, I'd like to see another Superman movie that doesn't quite rely on the pairing as much.

>TOO many fucking characters in the movie
Not a rebuttal, but this anon would get confused watching Iron Man just because Nick Fury, Rhodey, Pepper, Happy, Black Widow, and Bruce Banner happen to also be in the movie.

>>149443119
Learn to refute arguments instead of just being an asshole. I followed that post just fine.

>>149434669
Honestly, if you'd changed the countries' names and put them in the Caucasus instead of Eastern Europe, it would've made far more sense.

>149441564
>Why did Gunn turn superman into Star lord?

They're nothing alike. What an absolutely stupid post.

>>149434516 (OP)
Rangeban India

>>149444371
>Luthor shouldn't overact.
He seethes eternally just because Superman shares the same planet with him. It's like not expecting Doctor Doom to take drastic actions that endanger the world just because Reed Richards could outthink or outmaneuver him.

>>149446965
>Luthor shouldn't overact
Snyderjeets will say shit like this and in the same breath defend Eisenberg's Luthor.

>>149446880
>Rangeban India
This I'm tired of hearing shills talk about how great this shit movie is

>>149434516 (OP)
Snyder made Superman too godlike and scary.
Gunn overcorrected because of the backlash and made him too human and relatable. In other words, just like every other Superhero we've ever seen in a movie since the first Iron Man.
Neither is the right way to go about writing Superman.

>>149447832
>Gunn overcorrected. Superman never has lover's spats with Lois.

He absolutely would, just because it's part of any relationship.

>>149434575
>>149434516 (OP)
>why movie a failure?
Only in your delusions, sister:

>"Superman is pacing ahead of the first week of Matt Reeves’ The Batman by 3% ($172.5M, final domestic $369.3M), 16% ahead of Gunn’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 ($152.7M first week, $359M final domestic) and 3% behind the first week of GOTG Vol. 2 ($183.1M, final domestic $389.3M). "
https://deadline.com/2025/07/box-office-superman-i-know-what-you-did-smurfs-1236462233/

>>149441964
>Bunch of brown people with sticks fighting US backed Allies?
Is he wrong?