I've come to a realization why these sorts of retcons happen. It's the only form of permanent change that can occur in the Big 2 anymore. Usually when you make some new plot development, a disrespectful new writer can come along and undo/subert your work just to prop up their own, relegating it to a footnote curiosity or "era" at best (even popular changes like Sandman being a good guy). But becoming part of the LGBT comes with so many connotations, anyone who tries to shove it under the rug would fall victim to any number of anti-discrimination laws or at the very least would be blacklisted from the industry because any google search of their name will show a hundred news article vultures pouncing on the drama.

It's the final answer to the "revolving capeshit writer door" that allows you to actually make your mark.

>>149439724 (OP)
whatever helps you cope with whatever this thread is.

>>149439724 (OP)
If that's your hypothesis, why are the only successful cases of gay retcons B-List or below?

>>149439724 (OP)
Yeah, no shit.
I think reading X-Men post-90s, especially a Bendis-penned X-Men, is asking for trouble.

>>149439724 (OP)
I think that is a pretty good point.

>>149439772
Because once you annul the the risk of being removed "later", the only obstacle left is editorial - which requires playing to their biases and apathy.

>>149439724 (OP)
After all these years, it still makes me mad along to what happened to alan scott and tim drake.

>>149439724 (OP)
I mean if someone wants to do that you can just say that you’re putting your own spin to the character and thus they have to now attempt to argue the very thing they always say. They won’t of course. They will just say you’re a bigot and attack you. But in the end no actual legal repercussions will come of it. It’s like making Black Panther white. People will bitch but at the end of the day all it does is show their hypocrisy. And as for the industry, does it really matter? I mean you do your thing, tell your stories, and get out with as much as you can. You might think that’s reductive or bad but in the end you don’t want this, it is merely the response to people pushing you out. So the best you can do is make them look like fools while getting as much out of it as you can. Be the jester that outs them as clowns so to speak.

Actually it's because the last new character to catch on was introduced 12 years ago and short of rebooting your universe and pissing everyone off, this is the only way to introduce diversity into your comics.

The problem with comics being a decades old dying medium is they're mostly written by old cishet white dudes for old cishet white dudes about old cishet white dudes, but the people making them would like for them to not be dying, and part of that involves introducing characters of diverse backgrounds for new fans to get invested in.

But then the old cishet white dudes don't buy that shit, so they have to shove that shit in some other way and the only way to do that shit is retcon characters the old cishet white dudes are already invested in. If you'd just buy the books about new characters, they wouldn't be resorting to this shit. Instead they could just casually kill off their characters like Iceman to be replaced instead of turning him gay. But you all don't want to help bring in new readers by keeping new characters afloat.

>But the writing for the new characters is shit
The writing for the old characters is literally just as shit. You just don't notice/care cause you're being pandered too. They want to pander to new customers just as dumb as you.

The moral of the story is if you want more dead classic characters instead of gay classic characters you should be buying shitty books you hate.

>>149439724 (OP)

>>149442579
>cishet

They should just put that stuff in their own comics and if there is market for that they will exist.
Crowbarring diversity in normal stuff will do nothing but limit your audience. For 1 gay you bring on board, you lose God knows how many normal readers

Diversity should be "everyone has his own product", never "everyone should be in every product"

>>149442579
>Spend money on shitty books you don't care about or else we'll make your favorite characters gay or black or women
This strategy seems retarded. It seems like it'd be easier to just write """""""""""""""""""""""""""diverse""""""""""""""""""""""" characters well instead of handing them off to fat retards like Gabby Rivera or petty fags like Sina Grace. Mr. Terrific is black and he stole the show in the new Superman movie. More importantly, no normalfag on the planet had ever heard of him so he might as well have been a new character.

>>149442672
>For 1 gay you bring on board, you lose God knows how many normal readers
Okay, let's say your correct. Everyone that reads shit with gay or lesbian characters in it is gay.

By that logic gays wildly outnumber normal readers and it's worth losing every "normal reader" they have to get the gay audience via pandering if they're able. In their minds they just need to keep bringing on gays until that ratio becomes favorable.

>Diversity should be "everyone has his own product", never "everyone should be in every product"
This has literally fuck all to do with promoting diversity. It's about fucking making money. If you haven't noticed, income from "normal readers" is dying off. Also you aren't entitled to a product, ass-hat.

God entitled fans are obnoxious as fuck. Especially when they aren't even spending enough money to keep the product they feel entitled to alive and healthy.

>>149442685
>This strategy seems retarded
It's a desperation play.

>It seems like it'd be easier to just write """""""""""""""""""""""""""diverse""""""""""""""""""""""" characters well
If comic book writers could write well, comic books wouldn't be in the state they're in, not to mention relying on pandering.

You all have been reading horse shit for decades. You only notice when they stop pandering to you and try to start pandering to someone else.

>>149442746
Wtf are you even saying?
Gays are minuscule fraction of people. If normal audience dies off, gay audience dies off 100 times so.
Diversishit should just be allowed, not promoted. Because the audience is king, and said king is 99% normal and is incompatible with gayshit.
Gays, like anyone else aren't entitled to a product, just like those making products aren't entiled to money. But money is into normal people, therefore most product most be for them. If, and it's a big if, there is money in other microaudiences, niche products will exists, otherwise the marked has spoken.
We have internet now. If some stupid concept has a potential audience of 100 people, those 100 people can make it happen, no big deal.
>By that logic gays wildly outnumber normal readers and it's worth losing every "normal reader" they have to get the gay audience via pandering if they're able.
wtf