Thread 149441762

JUGHEAD NO!

>>149441762 (OP)
There was once a time in which portraying the American Civil War in a "muh both sides" way was considered acceptable.

>>149444301
Indeed, quite naive in hindsight. Knowing what we know now, it's clear that Lincoln irrevocably poisoned the social and political fabric of the nation with his unnecessary war of aggression.

does Jughead have the pass?

>>149441762 (OP)
>Veronica confirmed best girl

>>149444301
It was 15 years ago

>>149444745
Always true

>>149441762 (OP)
>It was about States' Rights, Arch. And slavery was legal in the North after the Emancipation Proclamation.

>>149445295
I think the idea that there would have been no conflict between State and Federal power without slavery as a flash point to be kind of ludicrous.
It just expedited matters.
The New England states threatened to succeed over the war of 1812.

....

>>149444745
What a smart boy!

>>149444562
Lincoln's plan was to send all the blacks to Liberia. The confederacy was jew-run and wanted America filled with blacks. When they lost they had him killed as a plan B.

>>149445431
Not necessarily

>>149444301
Yes, in a time before the false narrative that the war was about slavery got popular.

>>149445439
The confederate secretary of state was jewish. All the slaves ships that brought blacks to America in the first place were owned by jews.

>>149445463
No I mean Lincoln wasn't necessary planning to repatriate all the slaves.

Enough /pol/ content.
Start posting Betty and Veronica shipping.
We got enough material to rival Maersk.

>>149445431
Sending +4 million blacks to Africa would have been financially and logistically impossible. The best that Republicans could hope for was to contain slavery in the south. Which ironically they could have achieved if they simply allowed the southern states to secede peacefully. Instead they destroyed their own ambitions by turning the black population into a voting bloc and destroying the institutions that maintained the nation's social stability. Jew-run or not, sperging out on the south was the wrong decision and America got the worst possible ending from the Lincoln administration.

>>149445295
>Jughead eating all them hamburgers
he HAS to be fucking some other girl we don't know about

>>149445704
I nominate Forsythe Pendleton "Jughead" Jones III as the next Green Lantern.

>>149441762 (OP)
>choosing the confederate side because it means he'll get to spend more time playing dead and napping on the field
classic jughead

>>149441762 (OP)
Well, what did you expect from a furry?

It's odd how northern slaves got freed last...

The Union was in the right, because they have snazzier uniforms.
Which is also why the Nazis were in the right.

>>149445700
>Sending +4 million blacks to Africa would have been financially and logistically impossible
This is never addressed enough as why american wignatism will never work

>>149445745
>gay blue uniforms
>snazzier than grey and red
The confederats had the better drip and that's why they were the wrong side, same as the nazis and the cold war communists.

Finally, an opportunity to post this.

Fuck France and Britain, they could’ve saved the west if they’d kept their promise to btfo Gaybraham but faggot ass Yuros always chicken out

I love Jug

>>149441762 (OP)
>veronica a yankee
Doesn't she have a southern belle voice? She did in the radio show and cartoons
You know that bitch would have owned slaves

>>149445813
Is this older than the Police Academy scene?

>>149445926
She's roleplaying as a confederate spy infiltrating the yankee lines to gain intelligence from the wounded.

Archie stories and covers that will never be included in ombivus ever again thread?

>>149445964
Sure

>>149445431
>we have circled back to the Right defending Lincoln because the CSA didn't go far enough
it's an abstract kind of feel

>>149445975
The hell is Moose letting Midge getting sold as a slave for? Everybody knows he wallop anyone who even touches her!

>>149445992
He has already beaten up everyone so only he can bid on her

>>149445989
>Fat Ronnie
Assemble the Drawfags.

>>149445328
and South Carolina came inches from seceding in the 1830s, too. just how much authority the feds had over states had been a hot point in American politics since federation. Hamilton and his ideology of federal supremacy vs Jefferson and his of state sovereignty was THE political debate of the early US. Hamilton faction won out between 1780 and 1800, Jefferson faction between 1800 and 1860, and since then the Hamiltonian ideology has mostly reigned supreme. even modern republicans are more Hamiltonian than Jeffersonian (befitting the fact the party descends from an overtly Hamiltonian ethos with Lincoln).

>>149445970
fucking poser mall goths

>>149445760
just use the funds that currently go towards paying their unemployment and food stamps

>>149445765
>cold war communists
Not sure, unless you're talking about some obscure bloc nation. Because soviet slave soldiers were dressed in rags with the worst helmets ever made.

>Archie has the capacity to go full bore ecchi and match Japan blow for blow, even has the appealing cartoony art style to do it
>instead spends 40 years burning their wheels doing nothing

>>149446065
That would have only have worked, if Archie was a manga, not a comic. And the puritanical reign of the mothers of middle America would stop such a thing from happening.

>>149445447
Ah, yes, that "false narrative" openly stated by many Confederate leaders when they explained why they supported secession.

>>149446065
>>149446105
Just read Cherry Comix

I share a birthday with a dictator... But at least he got a fancy statue.

>>149446105
meanwhile in reality Japanese comics about 14 year old titties blow the entire American industry out of the water in the US. what's it like still living in 1997?

>>149445370
It's like that episode of the Outer Limits

>>149446132
what they said was the North's (or rather, the Republican party's) stance on slavery was incongruent with the constitution. the subject is the constitution, slavery is the operator.

>>149445370
Put him in the colored troops.

>>149446207
>"We've put these coloreds in white clothes so the secessionist's shoot them first."

>>149446148
Cherry Poptart is 18+. the point I was making is there's a gap between kiddy shit and NC18 art in the US; anything that isn't Superman on a wheaties box is only available in a head shop that requires an ID to enter. We collectively pretend that male sex drive doesn't exist until our 18th birthday, so boys aged 12-17 are left out in the cold for content. which is why they all went to anime and manga.

>>149446223
They're grey for the same reason the confederates wore grey: no expensive dyes.

>>149444562
This except Lincoln doomed American society by not rounding up the traitorous planter class of the South and having them collectively thrown into the ocean.

>>149445431
>Send freed slaves to Liberia
>They start raiding and slaving the neighbors
Well, would you look at that...

>>149446296
Easy there MovieBob.

>>149446253
Grey got too pricy by the end and they ended up using baby puke brown, or officially "butternut"

>>149446042
Yeah that's nowhere near enough. Do you know how much funding is going to ICE vs how many people theyre managing to deport, vs the undocumented immigrant population? Sort of a different issue, but it can give an idea of how much it would cost.

>>149446195
So they were fighting for the continued existence of slavery.

>>149446296
Brazil was willing to take them.

>slavery is le bad!
No one has ever been able to actually explain why, they just resort to ad hominem and other cheap tricks

>>149446307
Not sure how wanting to execute traitors that got a million Americans killed and who then got off scot-free so they could ferment their putrid ideology within American society has anything to do with MovieBlob.

>>149446366
Lincoln was killed tho.

>>149446313
>google it
>immediately find this
>it costs 50 second life bucks, whatever that's worth
lmao

Sic Semper Tyrannis!

IS THIS AN ARCHIE THREAD OR A /POL/ THREAD?!

>>149446319
because ICE is (supposedly) trying to abide by the rule of law, clothing and housing them and generally respect their human rights. when people say "send them back to Africa", what they mean is 'every single person with nappy hair is unilaterally rounded up and put on a boat, fuck courts and fuck what the citizenship laws say. if they die in custody, GOOD'.

>>149446335
they were fighting for the right to make the decision for themselves whether slavery should continue to exist, rather than have it decreed to them by people who had never even set foot in South.

>>149446355
Fun fact: to Brazilians, the so-called "Confederate flag" lacks the racial connotations it normally has, precisely because of Confederates relocating there. To someone from the Queen of the Tropics, it's an identifier for a specific ethnocultural group.

>>149446412
Racial relations in Brazil is a whole 'nother can of worms I'm sure.

>>149446406
>they were fighting for the right to make the decision for themselves whether slavery should continue to exist, rather than have it decreed to them by people who had never even set foot in South.
Lincoln was literally born in Kentucky.

>>149446406
>they were fighting for the right to make the decision for themselves whether slavery should continue to exist, rather than have it decreed to them by people who had never even set foot in South.
So were they also mad about every other federal law or was it just the attempt to outlaw slavery?

>>149446355
and now their descendants are portuguese-speaking octoroons.

Don't look-up what Lincoln thought of Native Americans.

>>149446444
He was right about that at least

>>149446406
>they were fighting for the right to make the decision for themselves whether slavery should continue to exist, rather than have it decreed to them by people who had never even set foot in South.
You know a lot of abolitionists were Southerners, right?

>>149446427
Kentucky sided with the Union, and Lincoln moved to Indiana when he was 7.

>>149446467
the overwhelming majority were northerners. remember, Lincoln did not carry a single southern state in the 1860 election.

>>149446473
>white
in Brazilian parlance means "majority European descent", not purely.

>>149446355
It’s understandable that they’d be forced to take refuge there, Brazil still practiced slavery and if they’re emperor wasn’t a cuck they could’ve kept that institution going

>>149446444
That doesn't prove the gray rebels were justified.

>>149446515
Yeah, the threshold to be considered "white" is lower in much of Latin America.

>>149446605
Lincoln forced public schools to include him in morning prayers.

>>149446296
I would rather have a planter class than a federally subsidized industrialist class that steals money from taxpayers by using government contracts for projects that go nowhere.

>>149446638
This is not true.

>>149446638
Davis forced 4 Million people to be disposable farm equipment.

>>149446784
at the time, they weren't legally people.

>>149446683
This, of anything the rest of the century pretty much vindicated the supposedly “evil” planters with all the morally bankrupt stuff the godless northern industrialists got up to

>>149446429
Southern states got mad every time a new federal tariff bill was passed, so it wasn't strictly about slavery. Central banking and internal projects were also a huge component for secession. The CSA explicitly prohibited all three (protectionism, central banking, and internal projects) in their constitution.

>>149446017
That's pretty fun. And it manages to combine the 50s aesthetics of Archie with 90s era stuff well!

>>149446380
The South started the war.

>>149446319
True, it would be far cheaper to kill them all and burn the bodies, but the right is too weak for that and insists on treating invaders with dignity.

>>149446683
>I'd rather have a tiny class of rich pseudo-aristocrats that deliberately keep the majority of whites impoverished and stupid and use race as a distraction to keep them complacent and will use any and all means at their disposal to eliminate any threats to their grip on the gears that turn the country.
>No, you can't also be opposed to sociopathic industrialists, you need to have one or the other.
You're the kind of idiot that will rationalize Trump being a pedophile rapist because "at least he's better than the other pedophile rapists."

>>149446195
Nah, the confederates were pretty openly anti constitution.
>"The US was founded, it's cornerstone laid, on the notion that all men were created equal. This was an error." - Jefferson Davis

The Northern debate was between the "radical" abolitionists who believed that the founding documents of the US including pro-slavery elements irrevocably poisoned them, and the "moderates" who believed that it was possible to excise slavery from US politics and law without overturning the system. Incidentally, Lincoln was very firmly in the latter camp, and his basic platform was allowing the southern states to maintain slavery (under the assumption that slavery would die off due to a combination of economic inefficiency and social unacceptability), but not expand it to the new western territories.

>>149446917
Lincoln did when he invaded a sovereign nation.

>>149447032
>men
not slaves. you're applying modern reason to the 18th century. at the time, black people/slaves were not considered men, or human. Whether you find that agreeable or not is another discussion, within the context of the late 18th and early 19th century that was the norm.

>>149447032
and the argument from the south was that Lincoln refusing to allow more slaveholding states was a shrewd political move to expand his party's voter base (a primordial version of gerrymandering) by only allowing into the country people who sided with him.

>>149446361
Even without appealing to morality, it's economically outdated and drives wages down for the free populace. Slavery in the Deep South kept a lot of whites impoverished and unemployed, because landowners could use slaves as a cheaper workforce, and the jobs they did have were dangerous occupations like mining for low pay.

>>149447087
The South fired the first shot when they attacked and occupied Federal property.

this thread sucks cock.

>>149447162
it was South Carolingian property leased to the feds, and the lease was revoked after SC seceded. the feds refused to leave, and instead sent naval ships south (into Southern waters) to reinforce the garrison. Violation of national sovereignty is an act of war.

Lincoln was a radical unelected tyrant who literally imported German marxists to push his dangerous ideology down America’s throat, I don’t know how anyone can unironically defend him

>>149447190
It wasn't leased, it was sold by the state of South Carolina to the Federal government in perpetuity. When it made that transaction, South Carolina relinquished all right, title and claim to the site. It no longer belonged to the state of South Carolina in any way shape or form, and if they wanted it back so much, they should have negotiated for it, instead of chimping out and firing cannons at it.

Remember when this was an Archie thread?

Now it's a damned /pol/ vs /his/ with no conclusion other than
>No u!
>No, u!
>NO U!
>NO, U!
I'm just gonna start dumping an Archie comic, try and silence these self claimed genius'.

>>149447285
did girls really used to be this horny for kisses

>>149447331
>>149447335
Maybe

>>149447110
Doesn't matter, the statement is still "the founding documents were wrong".

And slaves were considered human, just... "less" human, "Some animals are more equal than others" style. The predominant rationale for slavery at the time was that god ordained slavery as an institution, and it was necessary as "moral education" for black people and they should accept their "natural place". This philosophy is obviously incompatible with the enlightenment idea that "all men are created equal", since one presumes a natural god-ordained hierarchy wherein some are masters and some are slaves, while the other assumes that all are equal before god and that hierarchical systems like slavery or feudalism are human artifice.

>>149447134
Sure, but slavery wasn't popular in the new territories. Even in the deep south, planters and overseers were a tiny minority, and only maintained political dominance through a combination of terrorism and being absurdly richer than everyone else. "You can keep doing that, but not do it MORE" was the best deal they could or would get, which is why they rebelled.

>>149447349
>>149447350
Oh god, they're still at it

>>149447242
>postwar judicial ruling
it was not sold, it was given as a gesture of goodwill. which waa rendered null and void by SC leaving the Union. further, does not excuse the feds sailing the US Navy into Carolingian waters.

>>149447360
>>149447361
Arguing 19th century politics on a Mongolian Basket Weavfing forum, was X or Reddit full?

>>149444745
>gives it a playful bite when it stops like it’s trying to get its attention to get more pet
I love dogs

If anyone else has a trove of Archie comics, dump them all here now and drown out the pointless argument that was settled centuries ago.

>>149447143
The Arabs haves managed to build some of the richest states off the back of modern slavery AND keep their native population prosperous there’s literally no reason why the South couldn’t have done the same.

>>149447350
the context of that statement was him addressing the claim that it inherently called for the abolition of slavery.

>it wasn't popular
then let those states decide for themselves whether they should be slaveholding or not. we circle back to the state's rights issue. fundamentally, the argument was about whether states have primacy or the federal government. it just happened to be the slavery question that sparked the argument. 30 years prior it was nearly over tariffs. 30 years before that it was nearly over military intervention. it was going to happen eventually, if not slavery then something else.

>>149447349
>>149447360
Does the girl in glasses have a name, or is she just an extra?

Sorry, but I can't help it. History is one of my special interests.

>>149441762 (OP)
This is from Jackpot Comics #4

Kek I got a warning... This zogbot of board is cute.

dunno what book it's from but it's a great exploitable

>>149447521
Yeah, mention Der Juden once and you get a week long ban.

>>149447361
https://www.carolana.com/SC/Legislators/Documents/Reports_and_Resolutions_of_the_General_Assembly_of_South_Carolina_1836.pdf
It was ceded, and you and everybody else can read about it on page 115, and how South Carolina cedes all rights, titles and claims to the site of Fort Sumter. This is in writing.

>>149445865
Archie was the original
>No way fag

>>149447613
This page is probably part of the reason why you'll never see this reprinted in the digests.

>>149447422
First of all, you're conflating modern slavery with what the South is practicing. Second of all, the Arabs are rich entirely because of the socio-economic factor of fossil fuels, and would irrelevant, poor shitholes if and when the rest of the world advanced past needing petro for fuel and materials. King Cotton was not nearly enough make up for the stress slavery had on the Southern economy, and that was made evident when the South's plan of appealing to the international market with its cotton fell flat, and other countries just ignored the blockade the U.S. had on Confederate ports by buying their cotton from Egypt.

>>149447624
It did get reprinted in an Archie Archives from Dark Horse, though

>>149441762 (OP)
Where to start with Archie, any recommended runs? Very old stuff is fine.

>>149447752
Just grab some digests and start reading. You can usually find them cheap at comic shops or even goodwill. Ebay is also a good place for them.

>>149446105
>>149446065
Believe it or not the publisher that would eventually become Archie Comics got their start selling Bible comics.

>>149447475
what the fuck jay you can't just pimp out your own kid

>>149447564
>null and void with the secession of the state from the Union
unless you would like to argue the US owes the French monarchy something like 50 trillion in back payments and interest on the loan the King of France extended to the revolutionaries.

>>149447143
which is a solid argument to make for why slavery is dumb and was on borrowed time. it's not a solid argument for the feds unilaterally ignoring the constitution to force the South to do its bidding.
Nobody arguing for the CSA will in good faith defend slavery as a concept, you should erase that strawman from your mind immediately.

>>149447752
there is no linear plot, it's highly episodic. Maybe the first half decade or so back in the 50s there was a semblance of progression as the main cast and setting got introduced, but that's it. You can read a strip from 1973 back to back with one from 2023 and not miss anything.

>>149447847
and in the 70s they licensed the characters out to some religious comic publisher who ran a series of books on the characters becoming born-again evangelicals going on moral crusades to teach children how to be good Christians.
meanwhile in the mainline Archie comics the 70s-80s books were probably the raunchiest the franchise ever got.

Dan frickin DeCarlo, what a legend

>>149447506
Howdy Doody ass proto-Archie is creepy as hell.

Let's Pitch some crazy Archie Crossovers.

Archie meet Panty and Stocking With Garterbelt: When Ghosts invade Riverdale it's up to the Anarchy sister to save the day... or not. Panty keeps stealing peoples boyfriends and Stocking is threatening to leave the town dry of milkshakes. Can Archie and Sabrina get these bitches back on track or will Riverdale descend into chaos.

Best of Archie Americana - Silver Age

>>149443207
>Approved by the comics code authority..
No, seriously.
This is really FAKE, AND GAY!

>>149448155
Screw that. If you're doing an anime crossover, it needs to be Archiegelion.

>>149447475
This is an edit, right?

>>149447869
>>149447889
This makes it seem like "Jughead" is some kind of spirit, which must be appeased by an avatar.

>>149448502
No, it's a real crossover

>>149448502
No sir, that is the actual dialog

>>149448530
>>149448534
I didn't realize these comics were this good. I now desperately want to see more of this kind of Archie, in which the characters are allowed to swear and explicitly reference sex. It's fucking hilarious, and does a great job selling Archie as a hapless victim of Betty and Veronica's hi-jinks.

how accurately does Archie capture middle class 1950’s America?

>>149448906
I'm pretty sure no-one on /co/ was around to experience the 1950s.

>>149448214
the CCA was more or less created by the Archie company. The CCA as a result let Archie get away with a lot of stuff that Marvel and DC couldn't

>>149448609
The majority of the archie readerbase is female these days, not surprised they've taken it into a more feminist direction.

>>149448906
>>149448936
Archie himself is pretty middle class, but Riverdale is definitely intended to be a more Upper Crust new england town. like New Haven or something.

>>149441762 (OP)
Civil War reenactments were such a common thing that The Simpsons did a joke toward the end of the 20th century about Apu playing a Confederate General in the Springfield version, which I guess now is considered their most politically incorrect joke online (or maybe not, I'm tired of following what's in and what's out).

I'm enough of a squish that I don't mind people pointing out that Confederate nostalgia is kind of fucked up (though I guess if you're anti-capitalist and anti-socialist then the old slave society is the only thing to be nostalgic for), but Archie was just describing the Civil War centennial celebrations that existed.

>>149447389
best girl wins again

>>149441762 (OP)
I always knew Veronica was better

>>149445447
You're a fucking retard you know that right

>>149449538
>Implied
Virginia succeeded because Lincoln was building an army to invade the South

Real talk: Whats a good entry into Archie comics? Is there a certain era/run/writer?

>>149449094
What? Archie was always the hapless victim to Betty and Veronica's schemes, that's the central dynamic of the comic. The stock Archie story is those two plotting against each other to win Archie's attention, Archie offends them both somehow, then they team up to take it out on him.

>>149449559
Lincoln only called for the formation of an army AFTER fort Sumter was fired upon by the south, beginning hostilities. Virginia, like the rest of the late-joining confederate states, seceded (which is what you meant to say) because the rich plantation owners believed that fighting a bloody war to tear apart the US was preferable to having to pivot their investments. It was the archetypal rich man's war.

>>149449959
Do white women really?

>>149449917
they're weren't quite so mean-spirited as to engage in CBT

>>149441762 (OP)
LONG LIVE THE CENTRAL

>>149445463
*the third and final csa secretary of state

>>149446434
Octoroons are my favorite cookie.

Storytime anon, do you have a Josie comic, preferably one with the pussycats (or at least Melody)? I'd love to read one.

>>149444562
>Indeed, quite naive in hindsight.
Yes the further away we are from the actual events the more we are better at pretending to care about it.

>>149445977
>>we have circled back to the Right defending Lincoln
The "right" (in the American sense) always supported Lincoln since he was a Republican and he won

>>149451164
Thanks anon, especially for using one that has Alexandra in it.

>>149451161
I was humorously comparing the mainstream "kosher" right with the alt right. for decades the claim has been that the latter are Lost Causers who despise Lincoln and his legacy, and that supposedly a shadowy cabal of them control the GOP from behind the veil.

>>149448214
It's not gay. Archie's merely being feminized. He's still straight. It only becomes gay when, say, Betty's done destroying his masculine self-identity, obliterating any respect his family and friends had for him, leaving him utterly dependent on her, and then finally betraying him by selling him off to Mister Lodge to be his sissy maid for life. THEN it becomes gay. Archie probably holds out for a while, but when he's forced to be a bridesmaid at Veronica and Reggie's wedding, he finally breaks down and accepts his fate.

Next season on Riverdale.

>>149445760
Just convince them to go willingly. Change the propaganda, and in a few generations they'll have all sent themselves back. Enough of them will have, anyway.

>>149452296
I'd be fine meeting them in the middle and just giving them the state of Mississippi like how Oklahoma was supposed to be a state for the red Indians.

>>149449538
>I want to secede
>Why?
>Because fuck you that's why
What's these guys' deal?

>>149452365
>What's these guys' deal?
Half of the state wanted to stay and the other half didn't, instead of getting carved up like Virginia they speedran leaving basically faster than even the other states just to ensure the ones that wanted the state to stay didn't get a say

I'm surprised nobody posted the Razorfist video yet

>>149447630
>socio-economic factor of fossil fuels
That is not a socio-economic factor, you pseudolitterate.
>>149452321
I'd actually also be okay with this. I say that as someone who's family is largely from there. But, I think convincing them to relocate themselves would be worth it in the long run, as once it's done, it's done. Just set up a proper puppet state in Africa, convince them it's paradise, offer them to go instead of receiving aid, then start slowly and indirectly stripping them of rights. 7 generations, tops, they're all gone.

>>149446648
Which issue is this from?

>>149452774
I believe it is "Archie Meets Riverdale"

>>149446597
source?

>>149445431
No the confederacy's longterm plan was to slowly make slavery obsolete by industrializing.
Theres some debate about if they would use slaves in some simple labor factories still or not or ship them back to africa.

>>149449917
The garrison at Sumpter was not its regular garrison. Lincoln himself had specifically send that garrison there knowing they were northern loyalists.

>>149446007
it's been done

>>149452613
I unironically liked this series

>>149449244
>Although most common in the United States, there are also American Civil War reenactors in Canada, the United Kingdom,[1] Germany,[2] Australia,[3] Italy,[4] Denmark,[5] Sweden, and Poland.[6]
GET YOU OWN WAR TO LARP YOU EUROSHITS

>>149447630
>socio-economic factor
I-.. what? Do you mean Geo-political?
>stress slavery had on the Southern economy,
I think you mean the lack of industrial strength which was not fully on the south. The northern states had used lawfair and regulation to make opening industry in the south alot more expensive. I mean, why else do you think all the cottom mills were in the north insead of the south which was much closer, and thus cheaper transport.
I cant recall the exact names of the legal fuckery, but the idea behind it was to keep the northern trade ports stronger than the southern ones I believe.

i only know archie from pictures I found looking up t-buckets, how much screen time does the model t get in the comic

>>149445729
Nonsense, he's an honorable aztec jaguar warrior.

>>149453702
Not much. There are stories where it's in a lot of it but it's not typical if I remember right

>>149447335
Everyone is horny for kisses anon

>>149447389
That’s a little gay betty…

>>149453903
lol that's a good one

>>149453055
Is that why they fought as hard as possible to expand slavery to new states, because they were just trying to make it obsolete?

>>149451164
I love that the Pussycats retool took place in that brief period where Alexandra had magic powers. I think that’s one reason her powers keep coming back after being retired, because this is the most reprinted Josie issue so her witchery always has some public recognition.

Also kudos to whoever made the [retroactive] credits for getting the writing credit right. It’s sometimes misattributed to Frank Doyle because he wrote all the issues before this and most of them after, but this one is not his writing style, it’s Dick Malmgren, who had a very distinctively stilted style.

>>149454368
No that was due to political partisan BS.
Both the north and south did this. Its why new england is divided into so many small states, and why california and texas are two single large states.
In the case of texas, voted slave state so they were kept as a single state to prevent multiple slave states getting representation. California was the opposite. Voted free, but now the congress were led by the south, so they did what the north did to texas and kept it a single state to deny more free states upsetting things.
Yes, it was a singular vote for free or slave across the territory instead of just region by region that would have become states. Why? I dont fucking know.
Basically to be a 'slave or free' state showed political leanings at the time.

>>149446421
It is, and that anon is speaking out of his ass. People either think the Confederate flag = racism or don't recognize it at all (to the point I once saw a popular store selling a shirt with the flag on it some decades ago).
Things in Brazil will depend if you're looking at more rural areas or the urban centers, which have more of the activist types, even more/louder than the U.S. ones. You also have the dilemma where there aren't a lot of pure whites (the south of the country have some of them), but there are a lot of mutts that are called white. And activists will often group them with "white oppression", to the point where it seems like parody, where you see 2 brown mutts beating eachother but activists will scream that it's a white man beating a black man. I feel like Brazil has a stronger divide between economic classes, although this has been shifting to "Right VS Left" pop politics, akin to the U.S.'s. Where you end up with a bunch of rich kids defending Leftist ideals and shitting on poor people who want to believe in a "Capitalistic dream" and escaping the dangerous shit neighborhoods. There's also the Geolocational divide, the South has more white people and a better quality of life, the Northeast is Hell on Earth. The lact of a system similar to the electoral college means the Northeast pretty much decides who wins National elections. And since their education system sucks (we're talking full blown illiteracy) it's comes down to which Politician can lie the most. For example they completely forgot about all the deeds of the previous president, such as fixing the drought that had been going on over there for decades, simply because his opponent promised them free meat.

checked out the New Archies. Betty is as moe as you'd expect, Ronnie is prime msgk material, but otherwise it's pretty mediocre. 3.5/10

Boy has this been a whirlwind thread

>>149444301
Yes, back when there was a major historical revision effort by southern conservatives and offspring of confederates to whitewash their family history and erect as many statues and monuments to glorify confederate soldiers and generals.

>>149446406
The confederacy literally wrote in, nay, enshrined slavery to their constitution.

>>149447565
Wish there was more of Wendy

>>149441762 (OP)
>>149444301
Well, that... And the fact that in a re-enactment someone needs to play the confederates, it doesn't say anything about what Jughead thinks about the civil war because he's just playing a role.

>>149456946
they wrote that the confederate federal (as silly as that phrase sounds) government could not unilaterally ban it. it did not forbid individual States from doing so, and several considered it duringnthe course of the civil war as a means of convincing the Union to call a ceasefire.

>>149444562
If it was so unnecessary, why did the south fire on a US military base? Seems like the south didn't think the "aggression" was unnecessary until they lost.

>>149457025
where was that fort located? in whose territorial waters?

>>149446406
>rather than have it decreed to them by people who had never even set foot in South.
Many northern abolitionists had in fact set foot in the South.

>>149445447
1) cornerstone speech

2) confederate constitution is a word for word copy of the original but with extra federal protections for slavery

3) slavery is literally the stated reason given in the articles of secession from most of the southern states, Texas specifically mentions "slavery" like 30 times

>>149457037
Within the territory of the United States, where the US constitution is the supreme law of the land. No state has the right to tell the federal government it needs to uproot a military installation based on an illegitimate political action.

>>149457041
and the vast majority had not.

>>149457048
>illegitimate
the Confederacy disagreed.

>>149457042
see >>149456999

>/pol/
God I hate these bizaaro saturdays

>>149457263
The confederacy lost.

>>149458410
>he didn’t start with loomis

>>149444301
Isn’t it surprising that the men who actually fought the Confederacy ended up mostly forgiving them and seeking reunion, but as times goes on people only get more and more butthurt about it? You’d think that it would be the other way around, with Union people being angry at first due to proximity to the war and actually fighting it but being at peace as the years go by. It’s almost like Ellis Islanders are self-inserting as Union troops and projecting their anachronous thoughts and intentions into them

>>149444301
>>149444562
Both sides were retards and Lincoln making it about slavery towards the end ruined the actual point of the war and just made it so hundreds of thousands of whites died for a bunch of niggers instead of the fundamental state of the nation and its economy

>>149458557
Lee was very smart in that he surrendered when he knew the jig was up instead of continuing into a extended guerilla conflict.
It was a surrender with half decent terms, not a fight to the bitter end.

>>149446319
That’s all complete BS. The pro-immigration side just sets up legal architecture to make it as difficult and costly as possible to deport anyone and then throws their hands up and says “it’s not my fault, it’s just too expensive!”. Fact is, yes, under the current legal and human rights paradigm in the Western world they are correct. But if those were changed deportations could be made vastly cheaper. Third world countries do mass deportations regularly. Iran just deported millions of Afghanis in a few months, 500,000 in the last 5 weeks. The cost is mostly a fabrication of the legal system and human rights industries which can both be thrown in the trash in a crisis

>>149447968
The only things that change in the Archie is technology and fashions.

>>149458557
The Civil War was fought between white men who opposed keeping black men as slaves and other white men who didn't. The actual black slaves' opinions on subject was not considered important at the time. It took about 100 years for that to change.

>>149458612
>We shouldn’t care about rules and regulations that exist to protect people! Fuck people’s rights!

So you think ICE should just willy nilly deport people and you don’t care at all when they make mistakes and deport wrong people, even American citizens, because you just want to hurt people you despise. It’s a pretty psychotic stance to take, anon. But I bet you wouldn’t complain when the government ignored your rights and did whatever the hell it wanted with you? That would be hypocritical.

>>149456979
He’s also a Union war hero due to time travel shenanigans

I love 4chan. We start an Archie thread with a few covers and panels and it devolves into cute girls and fierce discussion of the Civil War and how the South was REALLY trying to end slavery. 21 years of this place and this is why I'll never leave.

>>149458700
>That would be hypocritical.
I don't care.

>>149446886
funny how the same guy waiving confederate flags now call themselfs patriots while cheering for Trumps protectionist policies

>>149458444
and if they had won, the Union that existed between 1789 and 1865 would be treated in history textbooks the same way we treat the Articles of Confederation that formed the original USA; as a failed and faulty step leading towards the "perfect union that exists today". If the British won during the revolution, the attempt at a republic would be considered a silly failed experiment by a pack of traitors with minimal public support. History has a way of glorifying the winners and vilifying the losers.

>>149458759
Great, then you don’t have a problem relinquishing all your rights.

>>149458808
Not him, but I only care about my rights and not yours, because the individual is the smallest unit of society and the self is naturally more important than the other. I'm not a hypocrite, I'm just selfish, which is the best way to survive in the brownoid-flooded, boomer-built hellscape that is the USA now.

>>149458893
and what if someone feels the same about you? what if they're stronger than you?

>>149456999
>it did not forbid individual States from doing so
It did so explicitly!
>The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
The confederate constitution explicitly forbade states from unilaterally banning slavery. What’s the point in lying about something so easily disprovable?

>>149459820
>I don't know how confederations work
the confederate constitution forbids the confederate government from passing laws. it has no authority over state governments. that was literally the entire point of secession and setting up a confederation, to prevent the (con)feds from unilaterally dictating from on high what state laws can be.

>>149459863
>”the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the territorial government”
If your constitution explicitly charges congress with protecting the institution of slavery, you are by definition restricting the rights of states to ban it.

never met a black person thankful white union soldiers saved their ancestors from slavery

>>149459939
That something you go around asking them often?

>>149459939
You feel personally entitled for thanks over something you never did yourself?

I blame Woodrow Wilson for this thread.

>>149460159
You blame Woodrow Wilson for this thread.

Remember Meridian.

>>149448609
It's from Kevin Smith's Archie/Jay and Silent Bob crossover, which he wrote