Thread 149442261

This storyline is the most shameless thing a superhero comic has ever done

Hey guys!
Heh
Hey guys!
What if we made a Superman story, where people distrust him????
It's super original!
Literally makes a movie about it.

The marketing around it is, the story itself is a fairly meat and potatoes DC story from the era. I can't imagine calling anything Dan jurgens was involved in as edgy or extreme, he's such a milquetoast creator. It make the whole situation kind of bizarre, the story doesn't pretend it's a permanent death because the resurrection is set up a few issues/weeks after the funeral. If not for the marketing it'd be another storyline from the time.

>>149442261 (OP)
It's super boring.

The entire superhero genre is a collection of "what-ifs" with no canon being the true canon.
So nobody cares. When a character in a shonen manga dies that is IT, they're GONE, because there's only one continuity.

God imagine how much better things would be if this was true. It'd be such a different industry, hell it might even still be an industry.

I actually like that story

>>149442261 (OP)
I wish that were true. There's been so much worse.

>>149442924
I personally can't think of a more transparent cash grab that didn't respect anyone's intelligence on the level of this

>>149442934
>The Dark Knight Strikes Again
>Before Watchmen

>>149442719
Tell that to Dragon Ball

>>149442261 (OP)
You have neither read this comic, nor many others. This is pretty tame. Any random issue with a variant cover or fill-in artist is more shameless.

Also fuck that gay ass Max Landis video. Nothing he says in it makes sense. They were killing off and reviving majorly important characters decades before this.

>>149443324
Dragon Ball is one manga nigga, every superhero comic is like this however.

>>149443407
Kinnikuman

I think it's pretty well done. I don't exactly like Doomsday as a character but the comic itself sold him pretty well. That moment where everyone's firing on him for like five minutes straight, exhaust their energy and then he just emerges unscathed was pretty kino

>>149442261 (OP)
This storyline led to the Year of EDGE, a year where every fucking single comic, cartoon, manga and anime went edgelord and gore to oblivion.

>>149444343
I don't think anything from the big two in the 90's feels close to how edgy things would actually get in the 2000's

>>149444343
Wasn't that way more Marvel's thing? The mullet-era that followed was arguably the best in Superman's entire history.

>>149444380
Anon, 1993 was the year everything changed.
the archive has post about all that happened from the first issue when doomsday showed up til dec 31 1993
is literally insane how most of the most stuff we know and all of the most darkest turns happened during the period superman died and we had reign and bloodlines to finish up.

>>149444395
Everything we know these days and praise happened that year, it was a game changer, the cell saga tournament darkest moments, dredd's most edge period, Booster Gold losing his arm, the most edgelord and darkest sailor moon movie, even the legacy virus debuted in 1993.

>>149442398
I don't think anyone reading comics at the time, myself included, ever thought they would leave him dead. It never even crossed my mind.
I like returns though and I enjoy the work of Dan Jurgens.

I dunno about shameless but it's really not very interesting or good.

>>149444469
None of that stuff comes close to shit like sue Dibny being raped or Wasp being eaten.
People talk about Kyle Rayner's girlfriend, but even that was handled tastefully compared to what would come.

>>149444935
Those were results from all that happened in 1993

>>149444970
12 years is a long time for results. And it's not like there hadn't been implied violent murders and deaths in superhero comics before then

>>149442710
>When a character in a shonen manga dies that is IT,
JoJo?
Dragon Ball?
Bleach?

>>149444587
this too

>>149444469
> it was a game changer, the cell saga tournament darkest moments, dredd's most edge period,

Nah, this is just silly. You're just picking two edgy things from likely the only two manga/anime you know. The manga industry and the American comics industry move completely differently, there wasn't an early-90s "grimdark" era in manga like there was in the US. There's just always been dark things in manga/anime in ways that couldn't exist in the mainstream US industry.

>>149442710
Death of Superman is an event/storyline that starts out bad but gets good. The actual Death event is retarded and boring, but the subsequent Reign of the Supermen storyline is great. It's kind of the opposite of Knightfall, which starts real good and ends real dumb.

>>149443329
>They were killing off and reviving majorly important characters decades before this.
really? As important as Superman?

>>149444970
Anon, you're caught up in confirmation bias here. You've clearly latched onto the 1993 IS EVERYTHING idea and are working backwards to fit everything into this idea.

>>149443329
>They were killing off and reviving majorly important characters decades before this.

They really weren't. The biggest death/rebirth before this was Jean Gray. Maybe you could argue Captain America in the Silver Age revival. It actually wasn't common to revive dead characters back then. If you disagree, feel free to provide examples.

>>149445004
Didn't JJK end with a few characters who were treated as dead coming back and shown to survive too?

All I'll say is that his death managed to get me crying even thought I first read like a year or two ago

Death - just ok, some moments of pathos but mostly rushed sloppy and unimaginative

Funeral for a Friend - absolute comic kinography, moving, reverent, just lovely

Reign/Return - a lotta fun, some great art, solid plotting, good times

>>149444469
Any idea when this thread was or how to search for it, like headline etc? Sounds interesting

>>149445558
The John Connor kid being an asshole to his mom gets to me :(

>>149445613
found the old death and return thread, the post is there
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/143857750/#143857750

>>149445783
Thanks anon>>149445783

>>149444469
>>149445783
It was, in hindsight, pretty heady to be 9 or ten years old at the time, in that there was that sort of breakthrough mass media buzz about this stuff, like Superman on the teevee news, not for a movie but for comics, your teacher starting class by asking how you felt about Superman dying, almost as if we were actually in Metropolis. Stuff like that. Batman and Spidey and others too. Now we're all acclimated to everything being a ruse and a fakeout, and I'm sure gen x was more astute. But it felt like this is how life would be, that what's happening in comic books is a big part of culture.

>>149445114
It’s such a bizarre status quo to step into for a new reader.
>Lex Luthor has hair, is dating Supergirl, and pretending to be his own son
>the Justice League is a bunch of characters you’ve never heard of (and Martian Manhunter disguised as another character you’ve never heard of)

>>149445919
It was genuinely puzzling as a lad. I mean, you went with it, it's fine. But sexy supergirl turning into a purple blob monster in the sexual servitude of this hirtstute redheaded guy, and yeah, some ragtag group of c listers, with Bats, Wondy etc nowhere in sight..
Even to some extent, his powers, I get that that nerfed him post crisis now and that he was tired, but Superman having the fight of his life, and death, in a Walmart electronics section? A gas station?

>>149445999
Everything about the way they did the actual death was bizarre. First, they chose to have a new enemy, Doomsday, appear out of nowhere and do the deed, not the obvious choice of Lex or some other old enemy that would make sense and have a bigger impact because of the history. Second, it's just so abrupt. Doomsday appears, they fight, and Supes is dead inside a month. Almost no foreshadowing or buildup in the comics beforehand.

>>149444469
>Bloodlines
Forgot about that. I'm due for a reread of hitman it's been decades.

>>149442719
Fire Force literally ends with the MC not just bringing back every notable character from the dead, but nerfing the concept of death entirely into a cheap joke.

>>149442719
>When a character in a shonen manga dies that is IT, they're GONE

Unless you're reading Dragon Ball, or Naruto, or One Piece

>>149447728
Other then Brook, when has a character been resurrected in One Piece?

>>149442261 (OP)
That's not even close to being true. You see the shit getting done now?

>>149448274
This
Death of Ms marvel for one