Thread 149442665

Budget: 225 million

Box Office: 314 million

We did it superbros. We saved DC

>>149442665 (OP)
>studios get 100% of the gross
>marketting budgets don't exist

>>149442739
40 more and it will be a success

>>149442739
It used to need to make double, but now people are telling me it needs to do more.

>>149442665 (OP)
It deserves it despite what YOU shitters here think.
It's a great movie and, to be blunt it is the only good capeshit movie we have had in over a decade.
And now thanks to its success we will get a Kara and Krypto movie.
As usual /co/ was wrong about everything and got blown the fuck out.

>>149443322
>the only good capeshit movie we have had in over a decade.
Delusional

>>149442739
cope

>>149443326
False. They have all been dogshit. If you enjoyed them, you enjoy dogshit. Sucks to be you.

>>149443305
You're a fucking retard you who this same stupid fallacy about Thunderbolts.

>>149443305
You're a fucking retard who made this same stupid fallacy about Thunderbolts.

>>149442665 (OP)
>officially a success
This person is an obvious imbecile >>149442739 but makes one valid point, which is that studios do not make 100% of the gross.
However, they are stupid in that they don't acknowledge that costs get shared, that films in particular in the USA get tax credits and also promotional support, or any other factors.

We won't really know for certain until 2026, when Deadline does their annual box office tournament, and we learn about things like profit participation (which I doubt Gunn got on this and no one else would have merited this early, but Gunn was certainly overpaid at getting his standard $15M quote, especially when he was also a producer, got paid for the scripts and collects a paycheck for being head of DC Studios.

tl;dr not yet, friend, not yet

>>149443314
>need
>double
>telling me
>needs
>more
this is also imbecilic stupidity

>>149443314
It depends on the type of movie. As a rule of thumb a blockbuster needs to pull in somewhere between 2 and 2.5 times it's budget, depending on the advertisement budget.
Smaller movies can often get by on 1.5 times the budget due to smaller distribution costs, and less advertisement.
It's hard to gauge the advertisement budget for this movie, but I'd say somewhere between 450 million and 500 million should land it squarely in the green. Not a roaring success, but still good enough for WB to want to build upon it.
For comparison Ironman had a budget of 140 million and pulled in 585 million at the box office, though that was obviously during a very different movie landscape.

It needs 750 million minimum to break even

Oh are we just throwing out stupid made up numbers now?
It needs 4.8 sextillion to make $1.

>>149443435
This is you>>149443343

Snyderjeets really are crying over Superman succeeding

>>149443426
This is unironically true with a 225m budget and over 200 for advertising
225 + 200 × 2 = 850 million

>>149443741
>and over 200 for advertising
There's no fucking way that's real, right?

>>149443452
You keep crying about "Snyderjeets" when it's already confirmed this movie won't make as much as Man of Steel. It's going to end it's box office in the 500 million range
And that's without adjusting inflation, in today dollars Man of Steel made around 900 million. So either way this is a failure

>>149443741
Why would you double the advertisement?

>>149443753
With an extensive world tour in several countries, including showing 30 minutes of the movie everywhere before the premiere, it sounds reasonable to me

>That doesn’t include marketing costs, which sources said could be as much as $200 million.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-gunn-superman-doesnt-need-make-700-million-successful-1236308516/

>>149443772
>which sources said could be as much as $200 million.
Jesus Christ...

>>149443763
Because you need to break even on P&A as well for these big budget movies.
I thought WB was going to control their spending because they decided to not do a Super Bowl ad, but clearly they should have because Superman is successful domestically while flopping overseas where they did most of the marketing

>>149443790
I literally hear no one say this except for basedjack youtubers

>>149442665 (OP)
>Box Office: 314 million
oh... you don't know...

>>149443772
>>149443782
I haven't even seen a single youtube add for it.
Where the fuck did the money go?
Did they use it on infinite monkeys to shill it for them?

>>149443867
Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there

>>149443875
...What am I looking at?

>>149443889
the greatest marketing event in the history of the world.

they say this act of genius cost about seven figures. money well spent if you ask me

>>149443905
>The shard is over 300 meters tall, so to even be able to have an angle from which you could see it from the ground, you would need to be pretty far away
>If you're pretty far away, the chance of you being able to make it out as being anything but a random splotch is slim to none, let alone actually being able to tell it's Superman
>Even if you ignore all of the above, it's still blocked from multiple angles
That has got to be one of the dumbest marketing stunts I've ever seen, that isn't a "Pepsi accidentally printing thousands of winning caps" or "McDonald's meals for Gold medals" level of fuck-up.

Capeshit is for jeets.

>>149442665 (OP)
>314 million
That's a quarter of your average MCU joint

>>149442665 (OP)
It needs 10 billion just to break even

Theaters take half the cut. You don't even start to make profit until you've earned 2x your budget (assuming no advertisement cost).

It flopped already.

>>149442739
>the movie will magically drop to 0 viewers starting tomorrow
You've ever heard of projections, mongoloid?

I'm amazed there are still Snyderfags around to seethe at this movie succeeding like we're seeing in these comments.

>>149445342
Trying to understand the Indian brain will not get you anywhere good

>>149445342
A lot of the criticism is coming from Marvel zombies who can't stand that Superman looks like a success while Thunderbolts and Brave New World under-performed.

>>149444339
>You don't even start to make profit until you've earned 2x your budget
So what's gonna be the cope once it crosses $450 million?

>>149444339
>Theaters take half the cut
actually it's the distributors, theater take is negligible, they make their money primarily through concessions

>>149445416
Lets take that hurdle if we get there, especially since we also have the supposed 200 million on advertisement which needs to factored in too.
That said, I think WB might be willing to take a loss on this one if the buzz is good enough to build an expanded universe on.
But they clearly need to do something to either capture overseas crowds, or scale back if that's the case.

>>149445474
>supposed 200 million
More Snyderjeet lies.
https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/superman-box-office-opening-weekend-1236459080/

>>149442665 (OP)
Niggas say every single fucking movie flopped these days because it didnt make 900 million dollars and that it needs to make atleast triple its budget to make profit somehow

>>149445487
so it cost $350 altogether
that means it needs to make $700 million to break even
yeah it's not gonna happen lmao
>>149445496
it's simple math, retard. you take the production and marketing budgets and add them together, then double that number because you have to pay off investors and distributors, and then profit begins after 2.5x is reached

now you'll realize the vast majority of films have been flops or disappointments and will be in the red forever unless they recouped through home media sales (which are no longer a contributing factor due to the rise of streaming)

>>149445487
So between 550k and 600k it seems.

>>149445496
It's because movie budgets have ballooned enormously, even when adjusted for inflation, especially for special effects heavy movies.
Take the recent Elio. That thing, when adjusted for inflation cost the same as 3 Disney renaissance movies. And it couldn't even make back what one of them made, even without adjusting for inflation, and with all the new markets that have opened up since.

>>149443790
>no they also need to make back the pee pee poo poo budget
you fags are gonna keep raising the number every time superman makes you eat crow

So it's been a week now. How much more do you think it'll gain? Does it have the legs for 500k?

>>149445342
And they have the most braindead takes. I saw someone posting, saying Superman doesn't have political/social commentary stories. Someone posted Superman Smashes the Clan, and the snyderfag said since it was based on a golden age story, it itself is a Golden Age Story, and didn't count as a modern day Superman story.

>>149442665 (OP)
the obsession with box office, even for shit movies like this one, is insane discourse from retards that have nothing of value to discuss and barely watch movies with no knowledge with which to dispense actual critique. is the movie good? LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE BOX OFFICE DC IS FINISHED THEY HATE THIS FANS WALK AWAY THE BOX OFFICE IS NOT GOOD OH I ALSO KNOW FROM SOMEONE ELSE SAYING THEY SPEND THIS MUCH ON THE AD BUDGET NO MATTER WHAT SO IT MEANS THIS MOVIE DIDNT MAKE THIS MUCH MONEY YET ITS OVERRRRRRR

thats fucking retarded to listen to. avatar is a shit film that makes billions somehow. literal garbage. lilo & stitch completely destroyed the entire theme of the original and was a horrible live action adaptation. billion dollars. box office is a meaningless metric. any mention of box office is from a retard that wants you to take them serious because you can quote a fact that has no baring on quality of the film. they cant tell you why it was bad or good, so just say box office bad, movie bad or box office good, movie good.

>>149445966
I don't see a single person claiming that Box Office = Quality in this thread.
People seem to pretty much just debate on wether it'll make money or not.

>>149445966
superman is a bad movie though
- too many characters
- hamfisted plot that's essentially a mashup of reeve & cavill
- pathetic attempt at messaging and cringe depictions of real-world events/characters
- unnecessary amount of shitskins (this is just a joke but how can i feel bad for the hot dog vendor who has 30 seconds of screen time that gets killed 20 minutes later and then i forget all about 5 minutes after?)

i'm not one of those "gunn doesn't understand" idiots, it's just an overstuffed film and it suffers for it.

>>149443376
>>need
>>double
>>telling me
>>needs
>>more
>this is also imbecilic stupidity
Wut?

>>149443305
More like.double that.
It will be a flop if it makes less than 500mill in box office

>>149446095
it needs to make 700 to fully recover

>>149443741
Never understood why they spend more then 1 million on advertising.

Use social media - official DC/WB facebook/teitter/tictoc/instagram + youtube channel and thats it. Why promote a movie anywhere else and pay $$$m

>>149442665 (OP)
I'm an hour in when does it get good?

>>149442739
>moving the goalposts right out of the gate

You don't paid enough for this, Patel.

>>149446131
because vendors charge through the nose for that advertising space
if you want your trailer to reach serious numbers that's $10,000 for one hit per video per day/hour/etc, so they go apeshit and pay millions to have it dumped in your face for two weeks straight

>>149445320
Usually after a week-two, viewership is maybe 10% of what was.
You.make.most of the.money opening week

Superman is pathetic. Manchildren cuckolds versus pajeets. lmao

>>149446131
I mean they took the "Make a big ass statue and put it in a public place where people can't avoid to see it" and fucking suspended it 300 meters above everyone heads, ensuring that no one would actually see it.
Who knows what the fuck goes on in the heads of marketeers.

>>149446137
Once you learn that you have to press the play button, dumbass.

>>149446232
i press play on superman and superman 2 and it gets good
i press play on man of steel, bvs ue and zsjl and it gets good
i press play on jewperman and i want to claw my fucking eyes out

>>149446131
Bog budget movies have entire planned out campaigns in terms of advertising. The investment is already so large that paying 100-200 million to advertise becomes obligatory. Lest you have a bomb simply because not enough people realise your movie exists

>>149446232
It got good for a bit when Mr terrific showed up actually I'm waiting for it to get good again though

>>149446152
Why? Just put it on your socials, youtube and assune people you want to get to will watch it. Nothing more.
You just saved 200$ mill and a lot of work

>>149443426>>149443426
Yeah and I don't think it has the legs to do so.
Domestically the studio is currently taking home $88m , and Internationally if it reaches $120m it only gets back $72m. Meaning the film has only netted $160m, with product placements it might have made back its production Budget but not its total budget.

>>149447015
I will be suprised if it will makes more than 400 mill

>>149447015
>>149447030
Is there any markets it's still waiting to be released in?

>>149444302
Actually it needs 100 billion to break even. DC/Warner is fucked. The Snyderverse's return is inevitable at this point.

>>149446145
Indians loved the new Superman. It's one of the only countries where it didn't flop.

>>149446041
>W
>U
>T
>?

>>149447284
>it's FLOPPING in INDIA
>no it's ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY in INDIA
Pick a lane, you stupid Indian

>>149446027
>superman is a bad movie though
I hate to disappoint you sister, but this is what most folks will term an 'unpopular' opinion:
Only you and many delusional cultists to a Hack filmmaker (who are calling a movie they have not seen, not even a pirated cam rip, 'bad' so they really shouldn't count), and the same several dozen Superman haters who so reflexively hate that they would chime up no matter who made this movie or even if there was no movie at all, but something else (comic book, cartoon, play, song, etc.)

Most people who HAVE seen the movie are recommending it. Therefore, they don't think it's "BAD."

Most critics have praised it and recommended it. Therefore, they don't think it's "BAD."

tl;dr 'unpopular opinion.'

>>149442665 (OP)
At least it's success means we'll get more from DC comics films than just more Batman movies. If this movie had failed. It'd be nothing but The Batman and The Batman spinoffs about penguin and Catwoman from now until the sun explodes, and Superman and the rest of the DC universe would never have been given another chance in live action film ever.
>>149446027
So are the bayformers films and those got five movies and a reboot coming up.

>>149446027
On the other hand. They actually gave us a Jimmy Olsen who's a ginger when we all thought they were going to make him black like the supergirl Tv show or My Adventures With Superman.

>>149443753
Nah that's pretty standard, studios never reveal how much they spend on marketing but we know that for this kind of movie is 150-200 million usually. Some people say the most expensive ever was Force Awakens, some say it got to nearly 400 million and I don't doubt, that shit was everywhere.

>>149442665 (OP)
What I don't understand is how Batman V Superman can be considered a 'financial disappointment for WB' (exact words from Entertainment when the movie came out) despite making eight hundred Million dollars on a two hundred million budget. But this is considered a success despite likely only being able to make only about half that when the box office is over.

>>149447770
It's about cope. WB after several failures isn't going to admit that Superman is underperforming. Like the DCEU though, future returns will get so low that they will have to admit it.

>>149447770
>First live-action crossover with Batman and Superman
>Cinematic debut of Wonder Woman
>reception is so bad that it can't even reach 900 million after making 421 million OW.
>Fucking Aquaman reaches it later
That´s why, it could have made much more.

>>149447770
>>149447846
>"Superman is pacing ahead of the first week of Matt Reeves’ The Batman by 3% ($172.5M, final domestic $369.3M), 16% ahead of Gunn’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 ($152.7M first week, $359M final domestic) and 3% behind the first week of GOTG Vol. 2 ($183.1M, final domestic $389.3M)."
https://deadline.com/2025/07/box-office-superman-i-know-what-you-did-smurfs-1236462233/

>>149442665 (OP)
snydersisters i don't feel so good...

>>149443314
2.5x is the standard guestimate rule of thumb for blockbusters, so Superman needs about 550m to make that. So it's more than likely to profit at this point given how much its making domestically. Also studios get a much higher cut of the domestic gross than international, so the fact that Superman is flopping internationally but doing great domestically is much better than the inverse. Obviously you'd rather both do great but hey, at this point beggars can't be choosers.

>>149448025
Looks like it's going to do worse than all of them then, unless overseas happen to turn around in the weekend.
I do wonder what's causing it to do so poorly outside of the US.

>>149447770
Because it should've done a lot more than that. If Batman v. Superman didn't have a catastrophic like 70% second weekend dropoff it would've easily cracked a billion. Hell, it should've made like 1.4 billion if it was at all well received. All the money was on hype alone.

Also WB really panicked over how bad the reviews were for it. According to Ayer, all the critical reception to BvS is what made WB take control from the Suicide Squad from him and try to make it lighter.

They're probably more likely to consider Superman a success because

1. It has an abnormally large domestic/international split. The 2-2.5x rule that people normally float about is assuming the Dom/INT is 50:50. This is good for Superman, as studios take a lot more of the cut from domestic profits.

2. It has good critical reception so it doesn't taint the brand like BvS.

3. It has strong legs for a comic book movie (at least domestically), meaning audiences actually like it and it has good word of mouth. Nobody wants to make a sequel for a movie that has a 70% dropoff like BvS did, because that means audiences hated it, and probably won't come back for the sequel now that they're not duped by marketing hype.

>>149448178
>2. It has good critical reception so it doesn't taint the brand like BvS.
This is probably the biggest reason. It's better to have a small group of people who thinks something is just okay to good, than to have a massive group of people who thinks it's just okay to bad.
Even if it's not as big of a profit, it's far more secure off a ground to build followups on.

>>149443971
>>149443905
There's no way this is real. This has to be one of the most wasteful advertisment stunts possible.

>>149447030
As will I.

>>149447071
I don't think so.

>>149447240
Given the Global BO the Snyderverse films netted, I'd seriously consider doing so, even if it's as an elseworlds

>>149448178
A larger domestic take for a $150m or more movie is a bad thing, because yes studios take a larger cut from Domestic Profits, but the INT Profits usually result in more money.

>>149448299
Not really.

>>149448163
International Movie Goers like there DC Movies to be Dark, Edgy and introspective. if they want lighthearted CBMS they go to Marvel.

>>149448178
these points are whats being missed. even if the movie is only a small success, it clearly steered public perception away from DC being a forest fire of Batman to something that they can spin.

also the box office is only going to get worse from here on out. big budget movies were already bombing more than they were succeeding, and with the chinese market likely completely drying up for hollywood films, its going to get rough if studios don't cull expectations

>>149448828
The thing is until Man Of Steel, International Audiences really didn't give a fuck about DC outside of Batman and unless Zack Snyder gets to complete his vision for DC, they will continue not to give a fuck about DC outside of Batman.

>>149446095
>>149446110
it's on track to finish in the 600 range unless that international's been seriously underreported

that's assuming it makes 50% of week 1 in week 2, which is never a given with a big opener; man of steel got fucked by that, hard

>>149448163
Non-Americans don't care about Superman. They never did and never will.

>>149449767
They did care breifly with MOS and BVS.

>>149448683
Typically blockbusters are assumed to be 50% DOM/INT split on average. Obviously you'd like to have your INT also make a ton of money, but if you had to choose, every studio is going to choose domestic success over INT.

>>149449091
Man of Steel only had a higher international split, like all capeshit did at the time, due to the rising Chinese market. Now that China is making their own movies and is less and less interested in Hollywood stuff outside of things with universal appeal (Dinosaur movies), it's unlikely to happen again with capeshit. It was just a bubble that was always going to pop. The Raimi Spider-Man movies for example had 50/50 splits, which is standard, and Superman Returns was the same.

>>149448683
>but the INT Profits usually result in more money.
That was only really the case briefly in the early 2010s due to China, which isn't really true anymore of most Hollywood blockbusters. Otherwise, barring the rare aberration, studios almost always make more from domestic profits.

>>149442739
It's not even the second weekend yet

Had a look at how it was performing and compared to some other movies, and I noticed that they all seem to get a bump on Tuesday in the US.
Now I get Friday and Saturday, but why Tuesday of all days?

Another day another blatant racism thread

>>149449949
A lot of Theater chains offer discounted tickets on Tuesday.

>>149449973
Ah okay, that makes sense then.
Do you know a reason why specifically Tuesday?
Just an otherwise dead day if they didn't?

>>149450026
no clue, probably like you said just because people are less likely to see a movie on tuesday since it's early in the week so they want to incentivize the day. i'm sure there's some reason they do tuesday and not monday

>>149442665 (OP)
the budget is over 300 mil btw

>>149449853
I don't want to hear your excuses. The International Split fell significantly after Zack Snyder left that's what the data shows us.


>>149449892
Even so, they still need the International BO to be profitable.

>>149450026
Because Tuesday and Wednesday is when most Domestic Theaters have discount tickets.

>>149447770
Bomb=lost money (keep in mind films need to make back 150%-200%+ of their budget to actually return a profit when you factor in marketing and other expenses)
Financial disappointment=underperformed the expectations of the suits, generally explained as the suits are convinced they could have gotten a better return on a different investment

Something can bomb and not be a financial disappointment, eg cheap pile of shit films just made to retain film rights.

Something can be a financial disappointment and not bomb, eg way too damn many films. Fuck the suits.

If a midsummer blockbuster meant to kick off an entirely new cinematic universe titled after a world famous established IP doesn't do gangbusters, it will be a financial disappointment. Expect the studio to "scale back future plans".

If it bombs, expect heads to roll.

>>149450388
>overspend on movie
>lie about it
>claim you have a good box office

>>149450388
I assume that with the advertisement added on top since they call it out, but still.
>10 million
>For what is basically a glorified billboard put in a place where no one would be able to see it
Handing those 10 mil over to a hobo and have them stand on a random corner in some city in the US with the poster on a sign, would have been better use of that money.

>>149450495
>I don't want to hear your excuses. The International Split fell significantly after Zack Snyder left that's what the data shows us.
The international split fell for all movies after Zack Snyder left, again, because China grew less and less interested in Hollywood.
>they still need international BO to be profitable
Not exactly, and it's not like the INT BO is 0, it'll still probably limp to at least 200m, that combined with a 350m or so domestic gross will make the movie break even.

>>149450538
>>149450388
you guys know it's a joke account right? holy shit how are you people this gullible no wonder this country is doomed. this is the actual article it links to, which says nothing about a $363 budget (quite the opposite it says $220m) and nothing about a 10m dollar ad.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/superman-success-budget-cast-salaries-1236462393/

>>149450588
>you guys know it's a joke account right?
No, why would we?

>>149442739
>No it didn't make a quintillion dollars so me and me UK faggots say it was a bomb

>>149450607
>realize that a random twitter account titled "Fantastic 4 updates @comicxbook" probably isn't a reliable source of info
>take 2 seconds to google account or the article in the image

>>149450641
That didn't really explain why we should now it's a parody account.
You could just have said it was fake.

>>149450659
>look at the twitter account
>it literally says "parody account" on it
anon..

>>149450681
And I should be able to tell that from a screen shot because...?

>>149450719
see
>>149450641

>>149448163
trump went full retarded

>>149442665 (OP)
It'll end with at least $500 mil.

>>149450727
That still doesn't explain why I should implicitly know it's a parody account.
Again, you could have stated that it's a parody account, and called me an idiot for not checking the source, which would have been completely fair, but saying "you guys know it's a joke account right?" would imply that it's either common knowledge, or that it should be easily discernible just from the context at hand, which would be that picture.
Also, almost all twitter accounts that actually reports on shit like this is named something equally as stupid these days.

>>149450405
I don't think I've ever disliked a version of super girl more than this

>Snyderfags use China as some gotcha
>back in 2013, China wasn't a geopolitical opponent
2025, China is now a chief opponent
>B-but other countries
Yeah, The same ones with Tarrifs and All-time low perception of America.

>>149450967
I'm not going to argue against the China thing, but other US movies are still doing completely fine internationally, so there has to be more to it than just that.

>>149448163
>Looks like it's going to do worse than all of them then
I'm glad you have your fast food job to fall back on, sister, because no one is going to hire you at some movie studio, theatrical exhibition or industry trade for your knowledge of audiences, or your ability to predict film grosses.

>>149449767
>>149449797
>the delusions of the deluded and the cultist

>>149451238
Nigga if it's tracking to do roughly the same or slightly better domestically, but is lacking behind massively internationally, it's obviously going to do worse than all of them.
What the fuck are you smoking?

I thought the movie was very good but Supes pretty much got his ass kicked the entire time, right up until he took out Lex's drones.

>>149450588
The 300 mil budget comes from the tax credit in Ohio where they were filming and there is no way with how heavily marketed this movie is that and additional 200 mil at least isnt on top of that

The plot should've been Lex trying to get funding to create his clone. Thats a lot more interesting as a subject that the bullshit in this movie.

>>149442665 (OP)
The budget is almost $350 OP

>Black Adam:
Budget: 200M
Box Office: 400M

>>149450388
>the budget is over 300 mil btw
The problem is that people still trust Gunn's tweet despite being a perpetual liar.

>>149451286
>lacking behind massively internationally,
It's not. It had a slightly softer opening by a FEW million than MoS. It's doing better than everything else, including being the top film in most markets except for the dinos, in which is it is doing second best in gross receipts, which is not "lacking" massively by any reasonable measurement.

Once again, stick to frying up those potato sticks.

You can come back in August or September, once final figures are done and make a thread about it but right now, you're not correct - not even close.

>>149447603
And he's a player to boot

>>149450388
Gunn more than anyone deserves the highest money from this movie. It wouldn't have worked without him.

>>149454264
Black Adam needed to make 600M to break even.

>>149442739
only disney gets 100 of the gross, warner bros only get 5%

I'm not American and I, as most non Americans, found the movie awful (although I admittedly watched the cam rip on my laptop and that obviously takes away from the experience), but apparently Americans are loving it as if it were crack. This should genuinely be a case of sociological study. I know some people are saying it is because America as a country is disliked at the moment, and some of that may be true, but I don't think it's that relevant. The Captain America one with the black guy was also panned and didn't do great, but I wouldn't say it was as disliked as this, and that one was far more American coded. I just found this Superman movie to be very, very stupid and uncinematic and the charm of some of the characters wasn't enough to make up for what was overall an aggressively crappy movie. But Americans are loving it. It's wild.

>>149455491
>It's not.
It is. It's not even pulling half of what The Batman pulled in during the same time.
I know you really want this movie to do well, and it does seem to do so in the US, but everywhere else it's floping.

>>149456937
>although I admittedly watched the cam rip on my laptop
pirate opinions don't matter

>>149457444
>everywhere else it’s flopping
That doesn’t matter. The US is still the leader in pop culture, not the UK, nor China. The DCU has legs

>>149442665 (OP)
Nice

>>149457496
>That doesn’t matter.
It does if we're talking about wether it's going to make more money that any of the movies in >>149448025
This is not a conversation about wether the movie is good, or wether it'll succeed in in launching a DCU. This is purely about wether it'll make more money, and currently it's tracking not to.

>>149445966
It’s sad as fuck. Company wars was bad enough, but we’re now at the point of accountancy wars instead of actually discussing whether people enjoyed something as entertainment.

>>149456937
There's a false earnestness to it that a lot of countries associate with America. Real black and white morality too. I'm not surprised this is doing poorly in Europe

The reason it’s succeeding in America but bombing elsewhere is that this is Donald Trump’s superman.

>>149457750
Don't associate orange jesus with this lefist fag propaganda.

>>149445966
The box office is important. It dictates whether we get sequels. Let alone an entire cinematic universe that’s planned and relies on this one movie doing well enough to justify investing in it

If snyders movies did better in the box office we’d have seen his stories ending. And by better I just mean batman V superman breaking a billion. That would have led to his justice league not being completely reworked by Whedon because they lost faith in it. If his justice league also did well then we’d have seen whatever they had next planned

>>149457636
As a non-murrican, I don’t really think that’s true. If it were, most MCU movies would have done a lot worse than this Superman. I think international audiences are just tired of capes while Americans aren’t yet. It’s not that international audiences dislike the movies, they’re just not even watching them in the first place.

>>149457764
>The box office is important. It dictates whether we get sequels. Let alone an entire cinematic universe that’s planned and relies on this one movie doing well enough to justify investing in it
okay but is the movie good?
>If snyders movies did better in the box office we’d have seen his stories ending.
yeah but his movies weren't good

The Dom/Int split this movie has is definitely one of the more interesting aspects of the movie, since we haven't really seen something like it for a blockbuster since well before the MCU. I think we have to go all the way back to the 90s for domestic to dominate like that.
It'll be interesting to see if it's just this movie, or if it's just the start of a wider trend.

>>149458011
I think it’s a mix of people not liking America right now, and superman not actually being that popular, more “iconic” than an actual draw like batman

Superman is westernized imperial power fantasies. It's American chauvinist propaganda and should be destroyed. Superman is the villain, superman is a fascist, a stand in for the normalization of global oppression.

>>149443452
We're weeping for the death of the cinema if anything. We're never gonna get something as bold as MoS ever again.

>>149458169
MoS was a terrible movie, though.

>>149458142
I see you read that post. >>149458125

>>149456147
He deserves investigation for the noncy shit he used to post.

>>149457764
>That would have led to his justice league not being completely reworked by Whedon because they lost faith in it
Didn't Snyder leave the project because of his daughter's death or some such?

>>149458174
And they'll never have the balls to make something like it ever again. Maybe that's why MCU succeeded in the first place, playing it safe. There were like what, 4 or 5 permanent deaths in it's entire run?

>>149458261
>And they'll never have the balls to make something like it ever again
And that's a good thing!

>>149458270
Sure, just look at all those wonderful movies DC made since they've moved away from Snyder's vision, like...Um...

>>149458219
This is the PR explanation

True story was that yes, his daughter committed suicide. But Snyder was going to just talk a few weeks off before returning

However WB was already very antagonistic and pushy in their demands for the movie, and took this opportunity to try and replace him. So when they asked Snyder if Whedon could just “finish what you’ve got planned” anyway. He didn’t mind because of course his daughters suicide and the effect it had on his family mattered more

Whedon then proceeded to completely alter the movie on the request of WB studio heads, despite telling Snyder he was just finishing his planned scenes.

And we can see just how different they are now we actually have the two different cuts available

If snyder didn’t have his tragedy happen, I do wonder what his cut would have been though. Clearly you wouldn’t have seen a four hour long movie in cinemas

>>149458291
If Snyder ever gets out of Netflix jail (lol), let's pray he's never allowed anywhere near any popular IP again.

>>149442665 (OP)
okay but genuinely why the fuck is this movie holding so well what is WRONG WITH AMERICANS

>>149458011
>since we haven't really seen something like it for a blockbuster since well before the MCU.
Nah, we have. Twisters and Wicked had the same thing happen. It's just rarer for capeshit. Though like you said it was more or less the standard before Avengers.

>>149458311
Gunn's brother said something along the line of "If you don't like our movie you're not American." so the american are watching it, and to not become American everyone else stays away.

>>149458311
A lot of people are talking about it. Word of mouth is carrying it.

>>149458311
india and America stand behind Superman

>>149447338
And your point is?

>>149458326
>Though like you said it was more or less the standard before Avengers.
I wouldn't exactly call is standard pre-Avengers. All the non-MCU Spider-man and Xmen movies has similar or larger international gain than domestic, even the pre-Ironman ones.

>>149448121
>so the fact that Superman is flopping internationally
Is it, though?

>>149458407
well I want it to

>>149458407
mostly, yes. Outside a few markets in SA, Australia and such it's not doing great. It's getting hard carried by Americhads.

>>149458407
It definitely isn't doing great. Currently the split is roughly 2/3rds domestic.

>>149458407
It's not. Everyone arguing otherwise is just a coping faggot who's already self-harming now that the movie already hit $300 million yesterday.

>>149458470
there's no cope and I love the movie, it's still going to make a profit but if you just look at international it's not doing great. This movie would've popped a billy if it was doing as well internationally as it was domestically. mostly Asia.

as it stands it'll just be a decent success.

Not even broke even yet

It’s so over

>>149456937
You mentioned America 7 time in one post.

>>149458311
Israel Fatigue is at an all time high

>>149442665 (OP)
Not impressed. Even blue beetle met this estimate.

>>149449907
Most superhero movies make their profit during the first weekend

>>149460120
That was only true during the China bubble. Right now, Superman 2025 is doing about as good as Batman Begins.

>>149442665 (OP)
Considering the ad-spending and how studios don't get all of the gross, I think Superman needs to make about 700 million to break even.
Granted, since this is a film which was meant to be a launching off point for the new DCU, I think WB is willing to tolerate a loss as long as it builds momentum and is well received.

>>149443322
It's was really good. I haven't seen any of the Marvel films, because I don't really care for the characters they've made movies of so far, but yeah I really thought Superman was great.
>Krypto movie
I think they already did that. "Legion of SuperPets" or something.

>>149443753
Given that this wasn't just any random blockbuster, but a full debuting of an entire cinematic universe, it is very possible that 200 million or more was spent on advertising it.

Though, one must assume at that point that WB would probably be expecting/planning on a 'loss leader' to build credibility and excitement for later, more profitable movies.
Therefore making back its budget wouldn't be the be-all-end-all for the success of the film or the nascent DCU

>>149444339
In that case all of the MCU movies this year also likely lost tens of millions (perhaps even over 100 million) dollars.
Given that Thunderbolts and Brave New World didn't crack 400 mil and probably took 250ish million to make. Divide the gross by 2, and Disney has lost money on every Marvel film since Deadpool and Wolverine.

I expect given by how hard the Fantastic 4 are being advertised, that it too will lose money.

>>149442739
>>149443426
>>149443741
These are the absolute worst part of these box office autist threads, where if someone does not like something that is so far succeeding they simply bring up a marketing cost or theater share or something else to make it "break even" that is always out of the reach of its estimate. Tax credits also don't exist or any other revenue source, that way that the film they hate they claim bombs and the rival studio/culture war side/side against the one you picked/etc is "losing" and you are "winning"
Really if films worked the way /tv/ and other basement fags with no economic insights think they do then

>>149445966
Look, retard. If you find these movies shit, then you should be very interested in how Superman and Fantastic 4 do at the box office.
Because if they lose hand over fist, that may mean Hollywood will finally move away from the superhero genre after nearly two decades of total reliance on them.

Also you are on the 'comics' board. Yeah people are going to care how the new DC superhero movie does because people here care about DC comics.

>>149446027
>Superman is a bad movie though
I saw it again after thinking it was mostly just okay on the first go around, and ended up really enjoying it.
>- too many characters
I mean I guess maybe some of the subplots for characters like Mr. Terrific or Jimmy Olsen distract the story away from some of the core themes, but I don't see why having a lot of characters is a bad thing. The movie works, it's emotional core lands even with this supporting cast.
A big thing which is fun and interesting about this movie is how it depicts a world where superheroes are nothing new, and Superman 2025 did that
>- hamfisted plot that's essentially a mashup of reeve & cavill
The fuck are you talking about they're nothing alike. Which Reeve Superman film was about stopping a foreign war, facing public backlash, or existing in a world filled with superheroes?
Which Snyder Superman film was about those things? I guess there's a similar beat in Batman V Superman. Kind of.
>- pathetic attempt at messaging and cringe depictions of real-world events/characters
What were you offended by the 'Putin/Netanyahu bad' aspect? Perhaps it merited something more serious where the plot was more dedicated to just that.
>- unnecessary amount of shitskins
Grow up and touch grass.

>>149448683
A larger domestic take percentage-wise can mean good or bad news depending on how good the domestic take was.
Superman 2025 is having a better domestic opening than either MoS or Superman Returns, so having a higher domestic is a sign that the movie is doing well.

The international market is fucked for Hollywood in general.
The last two decades saw the international scene be a huge base for Hollywood since the Chinese comprise half of (or more) world wide film-goers.
At the time China had a very weak domestic film scene.

But now the Chinese watch and enjoy primarily Chinese-made films.
So the international market which could make something like Aquaman a billion dollar success, is dried up.
With China out, Hollywood really only has America.

>>149458311
>what is WRONG WITH AMERICANS
cry more snyderjeet
This supes is legit a godsend as a comic fan.

>>149450516
>Expect the studio to "scale back future plans".
So far WB has been ramping things up. Fast tracking a new Wonder Woman movie, talking about making TV shows for Jimmy Olsen and Mr. Terrific.
Which seems that, even if Superman 2025 is a bomb, it isn't a financial disappointment.

Though this is all probably very tenuous, I imagine now WB are waiting to see if Clayface and Supergirl will make money to see if they want to continue pushing hard.
And it could be that this initial ramping up is just to save face.

>>149456937
>I just found this Superman movie to be very, very stupid and uncinematic
#restoretrhecrappyverse SIRS
just stick with rebel slop you goddam tardo
>it needs to be edgy and muh realistic to be le good for mature kidsdults like myself!!

>>149451037
Perhaps the wider world is just done with superheroes.
They are mainly an American phenomenon. Well Anglosphere most broadly.
Maybe they have more legs domestically since they're as ingrained in American culture as cowboys and indians, but abroad they're tired of them.

This would explain why all of Marvel's films this year have also bombed.

>>149458311
>WRONG WITH AMERICANS
Superman is an american icon

>>149461240
>Perhaps the wider world is just done with superheroes.
they only care about notalgiabaits and spiderman and for dc , batman.