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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:44:37 AM No.149450328
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Why do Spider-Man fans constantly complain about Peter being an immature loser that can't find a wife, when the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.

Status quo is what sells, Spider-Man isn't Spider-Man if he has a wife and kids.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:46:51 AM No.149450348
>>149450328 (OP)
Fuck that shit. I loved early 1989s Peter who matured and was a seasoned hero and was rewarded with not just a hot wife but one who was fully aware of both parts of his wife.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:53:36 AM No.149450413
>>149450328 (OP)
Incorrect. Spider-Man is liked not just for the powers and the adventures, but for the fact that he's just a normal guy when taking off the mask.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:55:02 AM No.149450427
>>149450348
Because you're a grown man, kids aren't going to find that relatable or care
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:01:52 AM No.149450523
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>>149450328 (OP)
I was born in 89 so the Spider-Man I liked was ChadPeter from the 90s cartoon and 90s comics, I never liked "kid Pete" and I hated Ultimate when it came out

Also, when I did go back and get an omnibus of the 60s comics, I liked how Peter wasn't like Toby, an affable dweeb, but rather an angsty potential school shooter
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:13:26 AM No.149450660
>>149450427
Kids are gonna relate to a fifty(?) year old property. It's too fucking old for them to care.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:14:59 AM No.149450686
>>149450328 (OP)
>graduates high school in less than 30 issues (currently approaching 1000
>"with great power, there must also come great responsibility"
>most famous storylines include his girlfriend dying, two different cops close to him dying, and a supervillain committing suicide
cArEfrEe tEenaGe fUn
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:15:27 AM No.149450695
>>149450660
Spider-Man has never stopped being popular with children. He's still one of the few heroes that can pull billions of dollars
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:19:44 AM No.149450756
>>149450427
Kids were reading Spider-Man comics when Peter was married, moreso than the BND era
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:21:35 AM No.149450784
>>149450695
Looks like Editorial and it's unpaid interns are still buying into the cope that the next generation will magically agree with their warped ways of thinking. Quesada lead you idiots down the Primrose Path and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:23:10 AM No.149450813
>>149450427
I was like 6 years old in 04 liking ASM more than USM precisely because he was married and a high school teacher. Then they ruined it and and I started liking Batman more
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:26:08 AM No.149450858
>>149450784
Where did you get that idea from the post that he was talking about anything that Spider-Man views in comic books that are being expelled are going to come from kids like in spider-man? Kids watch Spider-Man cartoon like they watch Batman cartoons that doesn't mean the philosophy being expressed by what happens to Spider-Man in the comic books right now in 616 is going to be believed by those same kids.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:26:25 AM No.149450866
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>>149450660
You're dumb. The biggest lie is that kids like kid characters, we don't, we like older teen and adult characters

Literally the only kids who liked Robin more than Batman, or at all, grew up to be gay. Everyone loves Optimus and Megatron, not fucking Bumblebee and Wheelie. Kid characters or kid appeal characters are always a crapshoot people look back on as hating as a kid

If you're gonna do it, they have to be teen, and older teen, not like "goofy young teen in school" but "rebellious hothead teen"
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:27:29 AM No.149450885
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>>149450328 (OP)
> when the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.

Because it wasn't, you absolute sped of a moron. the point was that he was the every man regular guy hero dealing with every man regular guy problems while balancing being a super hero. read a fucking comic.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:28:49 AM No.149450899
>>149450866
>Literally the only kids who liked Robin more than Batman, or at all, grew up to be gay. Everyone loves Optimus and Megatron, not fucking Bumblebee and Wheelie. Kid characters or kid appeal characters are always a crapshoot people look back on as hating as a kid
Okay now you need to go look online and TV and see how many kids cartoons actually have kids as the protagonist as compared to adults.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:31:29 AM No.149450934
>>149450858
Because this is the same bullshit spiel they use.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:32:02 AM No.149450938
>>149450784
I guess that Thinking Critical guy was right that ASM orders must've been around 48,000 if they're resorting to nonsense like OP's
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:33:25 AM No.149450961
>>149450899
>Okay now you need to go look online and TV and see how many kids cartoons actually have kids as the protagonist as compared to adults.

Kids as the protagonist not the kids standing next to the protagonist
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:33:30 AM No.149450963
>>149450934
What next, OP resorting to the "but Archie, Charlie Brown, and The Simpsons don't age!!!" shit?
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:36:13 AM No.149451003
>>149450963
More than likely. They are so predictable.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:40:06 AM No.149451074
>>149450899
And how many actually act like kids? Star Butterfly is 14 but acts 23,
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:46:31 AM No.149451199
>>149450866
Robin was so popular he single handedly made people care about Teen Titans
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:48:01 AM No.149451230
>>149451199
People only cared about Raven/Starfire, as you can see by this board and the mostly late millennials/early zoomer posterbase who grew up with that show, and it's literally all they discuss
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:50:48 AM No.149451264
>>149451230
Shut up, cartoon fag. The Titans comic was one of DCs big hitters.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:53:32 AM No.149451305
>>149450328 (OP)
Marvel employees aren't even hiding today
Straight up just telling us what we want
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:54:54 AM No.149451330
>>149451305
And they're failing at it
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:58:37 AM No.149451410
>>149450328 (OP)
Wrong. What people want is a competent writting. Teenager, bachelor or married, it doesn't matter if Peter is wrote by the same hacks of the last past 10 years.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:00:51 AM No.149451452
>>149451230
There's at least a couple of us mid/early millennials who don't give a fuck about the cartoon but read the Wolfman NTT and/or the Grayson Titans before 2003.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:38:06 AM No.149452041
>>149450328 (OP)
People in particular get attached to this specific character and somehow miss out on the fact that all other superheroes are also the same character they were 50 years ago
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:38:46 AM No.149452055
>>149450866
>The biggest lie is that kids like kid characters, we don't, we like older teen and adult characters
Tell that to 90's George Lucas.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:45:11 AM No.149452158
>>149450328 (OP)
Hello, Marvel employee
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:46:10 AM No.149452173
>>149450427
The second most popular superhero in the world is Batman, a forty year old trillionaire who knows every style of kung-fu and has read every book ever written. Kids don't care about 'relatability.'
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:04:54 AM No.149452455
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>>149450328 (OP)
>the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
Name 5 storylines that were about "carefree, teenager fun".
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:32:36 AM No.149452841
I want married Peter back
And Felicia threatens MJ that if she fucks up again sheโ€™ll never get him back
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:38:33 AM No.149452905
>>149450328 (OP)
>when the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
Have you ever read a single Spider-Man comic in your life?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:42:05 AM No.149452973
>>149450328 (OP)
Spider-Man appealed to me because he used to be the cool kids of the Marvel Heroee despite his nerdy and angst ridden problems, then Raimi movies happened and they ruined that edge he had that later hes been softened up for Ironman and Deadpool as Marvel's resident funny action Chad.

It didn't matter if he was a kid or a married man, he was always the scene stealer in a comic with his famous quips and brave feats.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:45:03 AM No.149453017
>>149450328 (OP)
>teenager
Peter's been an adult since 1965 and that was 3 years into publication.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:32:11 AM No.149454340
>>149452455
>South Park Fan
>Calls smart people retards

Get out of the Salty Spittoon little man
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:38:33 AM No.149454422
>>149450328 (OP)
I think it's a bunch of redditors or women, who the fuck wants to see a superhero play house lmao
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:22:22 AM No.149454846
I'm so tired of these awful intern threads trying to gaslight people
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:26:02 AM No.149454877
>>149450328 (OP)
His very first appearance is about him learning to grow up.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:32:14 AM No.149454919
>>149454846
I'm just glad more and more people are seeing through them
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:50:25 AM No.149455075
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>>149450328 (OP)
Theres too many Spider teenagers now.

He needs to move on and find a new status quo. And the best one is married with kids.

The same thing will happen to Nightwing as the Bat family begins to suffer from family bloat.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:54:25 AM No.149455117
>>149452841
Honestly at this point I think both Black Panther x Storm and Pete x MJ are unrepairable at this point.

Theyโ€™ve under-minded and ran those relationships thru the mud so harshly that putting them back together would make zero sense. It would only serve to make both of those relationships look stupid.

The only hope is making them work outside of main continuity and having them shack up with different heroes instead.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:56:44 AM No.149455135
>>149450427
I was a kid when Peter and MJ got married in 1987. And I loved it.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:10:37 AM No.149455253
>>149454422
OP you're not fooling anyone
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:37:06 AM No.149455446
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>>149450328 (OP)
Actually, what made Spidey so relatable was how he had to actually balance being a real person with a social life.. with being a superhero. He didn't have infinite funds, easily replaceable tech, indestructible gear, nor a stable consistent relationship with anyone, his lovelife was a mess and most often peter made himself a pariah as both the webhead and the reporter.

It wasn't him being a teen, a married man, these were just set dressings to the constant troubles life dished out to him just like the reader. People like the guy cause he was just like us, a person. Flawed, not perfect but not broken. When it rains, it pours and whatnot.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:37:00 AM No.149455835
>>149450328 (OP)
>t. Quesada
Dikto had him graduate into college in like 20 issue, and the iconic "If this be my destiny" happened between the graduation and entering college.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:23:18 AM No.149456079
>>149450328 (OP)
>when the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
This is an immature take, the one I would expect from people that are just guessing and haven't read more than the first 100 asm issues
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:54:31 AM No.149456236
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>>149450328 (OP)
eventually you realize only felicia makes sense for both peter and spider-man and they slowy building up to it, just very slowly.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:51:36 AM No.149456447
>>149450328 (OP)
>Right from his inception, Peter Parker is a too-serious, no time for fun teenager with no friends
>Uncle dies in first issue, "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" moral is learned
>Peter now has to work to support himself and his aunt
>While also still going to school
>Becomes even more serious and no fun
>Hur dur Spider-Man is all about youth and fun and carefree irresponsibility
Which Marvel editor are you, OP? Nobody else could possibly be this retarded.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:54:51 AM No.149456453
>>149456447
They posted Ultimate, theyre a 00s kid, which yeah....by then they turned Peter into an "everyboy" instead of an interesting character
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:13:27 AM No.149456526
>>149456453
Ultimate Peter was an angsty little shit with a temper and constantly snapped at people though.
And yeah, he also suffered a lot. "carefree fun" my ass
>obvious Uncle Ben thing and strained relationship with Aunt May because of it
>George Stacy is killed by a Spider-Man imposter, leading Gwen to hate Peter's alter-ego and blaming the real Spider-Man
>both his friends (Eddie and Harry) become his enemies. One , the other is killed by Norman
>Gwen Stacy dies because he went to Doc Connors to get patched up after a fight, leading to Connors creating Carnage out of his blood (no I do not accept that Carnage clone thing as a real Gwen)
Just off the top of my head.
I feel dirty for praising Bendis, but this is how bad Spider-Man comics have gotten. Not to mention as much as I loathe him, the bald faggot is pro-marriage and clearly saw Peter/MJ as the endgame in his book so he's already better than the current editorial and writers.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:15:41 AM No.149456534
>>149456526
>one becomes a mass murdering monster
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:16:18 AM No.149456539
>>149450427
kids don't read comic books anyone, they think they're too outdated, they just watch cartoons or youtube

there is ZERO reason not to have comic peter mature and to keep making endless "teenage peter" cartoons (like they've already been doing for like 20 fucking years, rebooting it to be exactly the same every fucking time except for the art style)
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:23:38 AM No.149456565
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This is better and has more soul than pretty much anything in 616 after OMD.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:27:33 AM No.149456575
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>>149456539
And yet, Peter wasn't a teen in TAS, and it's the most beloved cartoon by its kid demo to this day as we've seen every other ones fanbase come of age

Marvels Spider-Man viewers, at their oldest, are now 20, we'll see in five years or so if there is massive love from the younger ones
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:45:24 AM No.149456634
>>149450328 (OP)
That's never been true. All you have to do is read Spider-Man to know that. Pete graduates High School 28 issues into ASM and starts college by issue 31.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:46:05 AM No.149456637
>>149450328 (OP)
You are a retard who doesn't read those comics anyway, so why do you care?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:46:27 AM No.149456641
>>149450328 (OP)
Aunt May started nagging Peter about needing a wife and arranged his and Mary Jane's relationship in Amazing Spider-Man # 15 before he was even out of high school.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:00:42 PM No.149456679
>>149456236
Eventually you realize that introducing so many Bitches who Love Spider-Man means that he can never definitively get together with any of them without pissing off everyone who thinks he should be with [Insert Other Bitch Here] instead. It's the Archie problem times a dozen at least.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:03:09 PM No.149456691
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>>149450328 (OP)
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:05:22 PM No.149456693
>>149456679
he's burned quite a few bridges with love interests and most people just want MJ back or at least some development with Fel since they're fucking again(which was a weird thing to do after 8 deaths)

>>149456691
lol
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:13:29 PM No.149456713
>>149455117
Anon, BP/Storm was always dogshit and retarded, it *always* looked stupid because it only happened because of a conflux of racism from upper management, fetishism from some of the bullpen's louder influences, and some of BP's office, specifically the panafrican hotep fags who SI as him, lusting after Storm.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:14:37 PM No.149456717
>when the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
He hasn't been a teen for most of his existence. Although he does keep getting reset back to a loser in his mid20s for some fucking reason.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:20:39 PM No.149456736
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>>149456679
>Eventually you realize that introducing so many Bitches who Love Spider-Man means that he can never definitively get together with any of them without pissing off everyone who thinks he should be with [Insert Other Bitch Here] instead.
Polycules are a thing and at least 1 of his 3 main love interests is confirmed bi.

Reject western bullshit and embrace harem anime tropes.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:23:10 PM No.149456742
>>149456717
It's because of the state of modern comics internally.

The writers are nostalgic, but don't understand what they're nostalgic for, and they want to be big impressive successes like they remember Romita or Claremont or Priest being when they were younger, praised and making character defining books, but don't actually understand why that worked.

So, being retarded, they ape what they think was the case. They turn him back into a 20 something loser because that's how they "remember" him being when he was successful, without realizing that wasn't actually what made it work because it was actually his bonds with the cast and the fact that sometimes half an issue's plot would be "The rent is late" or "I need to get some photos to JJJ to sell him." even if it was resolved at the end. They write "Huge, world changing stories" with "Biggest/most important villains ever" just like Dark Phoenix or the Night Gwen Stacy Died where it's either a huge gigamonster or super personal and then when it flops and is forgotten about, they don't understand that it's because for every 1 of those stories they "remember" there were like 5 smaller ones that were just like bank robberies or attempted murders by like The Shocker or the Scorpion that established a status quo and built up characters so that the big shit actually had impact and mattered.

IE it's the same fucking problem plaguing the entire industry just expressing itself slightly differently.

>>149456736
The fact that we've gone from "Comics have lasting marriages that go somewhere and manga often have harems that just draincircle pointlessly forever" to "Most harems if they happen actually bite the bullet and become group marriages in the epilogue in manga and nobody other than Reed Richards and Clark Kent can keep their woman in comics." is depressing.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:26:55 PM No.149456760
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>>149450328 (OP)
I dont really care about his marriage or whatever
The problems with Amazing Spider-Man are the writing and the art. The writers constantly make him a retarded pussy and one-up him with endless alternate spider-people. The art looks like shit and they draw him like an idiot pussy. Fire everyone working on the book and give it to ANYONE else and it will be better even with the same retarded editorial constraints.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:47:18 PM No.149456840
>>149450328 (OP)
>the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
Why do you choose to lie?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:50:59 PM No.149456849
>>149450866
>The biggest lie is that kids like kid characters
I don't know anyone who liked Cheetor over, say, Dinobot.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:59:55 PM No.149456884
>>149450328 (OP)
>carefree
"Great power, great responsibility", retard
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:55:03 PM No.149457092
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>>149450328 (OP)
>Status quo is what sells
>meanwhile the games that are catered to zoomers who don't even read western comics
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:57:33 PM No.149457104
>>149450328 (OP)
Married Peter with kids could work, but fans don't want Parker family drama.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:00:51 PM No.149457116
>>149457092
aren't they together in the ps4 games as well after coming off another break?
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:06:40 PM No.149457132
>>149456760
>Fire everyone working on the book and give it to ANYONE else and it will be better even with the same retarded editorial constraints.
Anon, its because of those editorial constraint that he has to look and act like a wuss.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:07:55 PM No.149457138
>>149456736
I'd only accept them being a throuple because of how much shit they've all gone through together.
Really though, I'd rather just have him back with MJ after some couples counseling and more sessions with that superhero therapy group Jarvis and the others were part of.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:21:55 PM No.149457197
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>>149457116
Now that you mentioned it she also moved to Peter and May's apartment by the end of ps5 spiderman game. She doesn't wear the spidey shirt which explains why I haven't noticed it. Good thing there are mods to fix that.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:33:54 PM No.149457244
>>149454340
>didnt answer the question
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:02:28 PM No.149457737
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>>149457197
>she also moved to Peter and May's apartment by the end of ps5 spiderman game
Unintentional misinformations but you get the idea about MJ moving in.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:49:26 PM No.149459038
Peter has never been relatable because his fucking setting is centered around the most non sensible fantasy kitchen sink plot twists and shitty multi shared properties from other marvel franchises he openly explores his story with. And the fucking super sci stuff(plus magic spider god bs) makes Peter as grounded in reality as Batman, which is not very grounded in said reality.

Peter Parker/Spider-Man is just a superhero fantasy trying to be Charlie brown and Archie at the same fucking time. And to me, the whole series is casual elementary slop trying to be complex storytelling, its time to expose this sham character to what he truly is.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:54:30 PM No.149459087
>>149450328 (OP)
>the entire appeal of the character from its inception has always been the carefree, teenager fun aspects of it.
not true at all
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:59:43 PM No.149459758
>>149459038
OP, just because you're losing the argument doesn't mean you need to switch personas and go scorched earth
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:40:32 PM No.149460176
The relatable part was the fact he had a life outside Spider-man. Like, the main motivation behind "If this be my destiny...!" wasn't stopping Doc Ock, but saving Aunt May.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:15:02 PM No.149460586
poisoned
poisoned
md5: fb62b81efc607d5e92e7640c99b79320๐Ÿ”
Spider-Man is the only one of the "big three" that is still 100% relatable to a modern society.
Superman is associated with a jingoistic personality and being the hokey superhero, and Wayne was created in a time when being wealthy actually was considered a sign of responsibility and he wasn't occasionally framed as a self-indulgent larper.

Being young, poor and idealistic? Still very relatable to almost every demographic. Shonen is still a massive genre because its protagonists are young underdogs much of the time, it has flourished whilst comics just sort of linger.

So, of course, we look at what's happened and it turns out Spider-Man has to be replaced with a black diversity hire, stuck with kids, cucked, or in some cases replaced by his wife.
It's fucking INSANE when you think about it.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:19:28 PM No.149460643
>>149456679
I agree, Peter should marry Cissy Ironwood or I will storm Marvel HQ.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:25:07 PM No.149460712
>>149457116
Yeah but people hate that version of MJ. Tiktoks hating her consistently get 100K+ likes, it's like one of the most consistent things among the game's fan base lmao
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:17:38 PM No.149461393
Now that we btfo'd OP, what would be your Spider-man pitch. In the main universe of course.
>Peter Parker would come back as freelance photographer since he is already known in the field and it gives him a bit of liberty. However, being freelance comes with a lot of accountability, which would parallel his Spider-man activities nicely. He'll also have to take other photos than Spider-man.
>He would have a female rival photographer. Unlike him, she is in for the art rather than the money. Despite being 100% more talented than him in the field, she is actually less succesful than Peter because of her artist sensibilities taking over her professional side.
>Of course, the daily bugle will commission him.
>Plot thread about people figuring out who Peter is by observing how many of his friends and acquaintance became supes.
>Re-introduction of J.J.J as a recurring supporting character.
>Norman's past coming back to bite his ass, no Mephisto shit guaranteed btw.
>A less quippy, more focused Spider-man. Because lets be honest, he must tired of all of the shit that happened to him.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:33:51 PM No.149461590
>>149461393
I would go with:
Aunt May died in ASM #400
Norman stayed fucking dead
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:36:46 PM No.149461623
>>149461393
Peter gets raped by Doc Ock's rogue tentacles
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:37:14 PM No.149461627
spider-chad
spider-chad
md5: c3f3e8976c1c36e0df84dcc5feba3914๐Ÿ”
>>149450523
>I was born in 89 so the Spider-Man I liked was ChadPeter from the 90s cartoon and 90s comics, I never liked "kid Pete" and I hated Ultimate when it came out
88 here, I can confirm I grew up with the same impression of Spider-Man
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:37:19 PM No.149461631
>>149461590
I'm very split on Norman staying dead.
On one hand, Norman has some nice post-resurrection stories and he needed to be alive to canonize Mayday as he died in her origin story after his "resurrection". Plus I just think healing factor is a cool power and more villains should have it
On the other hand, there's also a lot of dumb stuff.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:50:11 PM No.149461769
>>149461590
That would be my extreme option.

My semi-extreme compromise is basically making everything from OMD onwards non-canon and continuing not with a relaunch, but an all new Amazing Spider-Man #544. Some things could be folded back in but under better guidance. In this choice the people involved with maintaining OMD, no longer get a say in Spider-Man.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:08:44 PM No.149462006
>>149459758
Hes a bad character though
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:12:41 PM No.149462040
>>149461769
That option you described is what I want to do too. But the only thing holding me back is how other comics creators would say it's a disservice to everyone who worked on that book since OMD happened. And I personally liked Spencer's stuff and somebody like JMD saying that to erase all that history being the same thing as OMD itself (which might be something I can imagine him saying) kinda deters me from it alongside readers who just want the writer to make good stories not do clean up work like Spencer did. But I think I could still do it and focus on good stories with the continuity being reverted to pre-OMD and that being a mystery itself could be a good inverse of OMIT where later on I could do an arc that firmly establishes pre-OMD to be the new status quo and reveal what happened.
I have also posted here my idea of doing some of the post-OMD arcs but in the context Peter actually being in-character with abridged versions of Spider-Island or Superior for example, except they play out differently and are shorter.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:18:40 PM No.149462115
>>149450328 (OP)
Read comics faggot
He was out of highschool by issue fucking 28
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:21:13 PM No.149462143
>>149456526
>>149456453
Ultimate is only good if you haven't read actual classic Spider-Man, then you realize it's just a shitty best hits cover album. His death is the only thing he really had going for him
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:59:33 PM No.149462629
>>149461393
Have Peter stomp Mephisto's ass and in doing so partially undoing the effects of the deal, creating a alternate series of events that play out past OMD that follows many of the general plot beats we have had since then just with him and MJ never having broken up and May staying dead.
So like Superior, Spiderverse, Spider-Boy, ect and all of the new villain's and such introduced still happened but any parts of those storylines having to deal with romance or Aunt May are reworked.
Then just go from there.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:37:22 AM No.149463187
>>149459038
>>149462006
Blah blah blah. You're not going to undo the last 60+ years of this character's legacy with these faggy comments of yours. Nobody gives a shit what you think. Go drink bleach.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:57:25 AM No.149463395
RDT_20241022_1817487682442514436214969
RDT_20241022_1817487682442514436214969
md5: cfbcd32882bf605134b8c68a922c504d๐Ÿ”
>>149450328 (OP)
There. Fixed.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:05:35 AM No.149463489
>>149463395
I've got no strong feelings on who Peter fucks, but damn, that looks so retarded. If you're going through the trouble of making fan art, at least fix the proportions so it doesn't look like some teen marriage with an adopted alien.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:07:20 AM No.149463512
Ultimate Spider-Man was also my favorite
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:09:06 AM No.149463531
>>149463395
nigga posing in his kitchen
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:11:44 AM No.149463569
>>149450328 (OP)
Spider Man fans are complaining because its annoying to see the same old shtick over and over again. Peter gets successful for an insanely brief period of time, then it all falls apart and he loses it all and is a total loser moron for a zillion issues until the cycle repeats itself. It's not fun watching a character people actually like (or used to like) get beat up and thrown around like a piece of garbage just because the writers have a hard on for torturing the character. Fans are right to be mad. Marvel thinks making Peter miserable constantly is the key to selling comics when it absolutely is the opposite.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:14:54 AM No.149463612
>>149463395
>that head size
kid on the right is a plushie, right?
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:24:15 AM No.149464447
No need to retcon the past 2 decades just wrap it all in an Immortal Hulk style series as Mephisto giving him the Book of Job treatment. It wasnโ€™t enough that he took his daughter and marriage he needed him broken and beaten and orchestrated things as he saw fit.
He needed heavier handed methods after seeing the couple get back together numerous times and had a direct intervention when MJ suggested they move forward with their relationship.
Paul is revealed as one of his pawns who would eventually turn into a villain(I suggest the name Bankrupt since he did it for money also creatively teehee)
During their battle to take down Mephisto itโ€™s revealed MJ actually was pregnant at the time and baby May is now 3yrs.
For added drama, itโ€™s revealed after taking the child out of hell that she has trauma from being there so long.
Peter rushes her to Reed who rejects him until he learns itโ€™s about his daughter.
Runs out saying heโ€™ll go on patrol but never returns.
MJ gets there and has to tell them everything that happened.
F4 realized they really screwed the pooch by refusing to help him. Reed suddenly remembers the first time he met and destroyed his entire lab and they just laughed it off alongside the old days where Ben would go on a tear throughout the building and they never held it against him.
Angst shit with Peter spending the next 2 weeks clearing out every villain and low rent thug he can find until the Avengers are tasked with taking him in.
Tells them there was no mind control or any other excuse it was all his doing as heโ€™s the bad guy of the story and needs to be punished or something corny
Cap tells him proper penance would be owning up to his mistakes instead of trying to die in the line of duty
Start up a new title with a fancy new adjective where heโ€™s getting therapy for his issues and being a better mentor to all the spider people
Idk got pretty weak at the end there
Itโ€™s all shit
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:27:34 AM No.149464485
>>149463489
I'm at the point where I can't tell if this is some bit or if the guy posting this stuff to shill his ship is genuinely retarded. It's always the absolute worst fan art imaginable and it's always the same ones too.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:29:52 AM No.149464512
โคworm
โคworm
md5: 096d32ea7211668a38e92a6ed5cc7536๐Ÿ”
>>149456742
>The fact that we've gone from "Comics have lasting marriages that go somewhere and manga often have harems that just draincircle pointlessly forever" to "Most harems if they happen actually bite the bullet and become group marriages in the epilogue in manga and nobody other than Reed Richards and Clark Kent can keep their woman in comics." is depressing.
It's not depressing if you read manga instead of capeshit.

Also Reed Richards got cucked by Doom in Secret Wars and Clark was with Wondy for a while too.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:31:58 AM No.149464543
>>149464447
Where's Shay?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:38:44 AM No.149464620
>>149464543
Forgotten about like all the other love interests over the years as he was just a casual fuck for her
Maybe some shit about how she got off on Peter constantly running back to her despite how low she thought of him. Made her feel validated or something
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:47:07 AM No.149464725
>>149464512
Doom remade his family so they would love him instead and they didnโ€™t
The entire thing ends with Reed winning and saying he could do better because heโ€™s built different and Doom seething because he knows heโ€™s right
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:15:26 AM No.149465804
>>149464543
lmao