Thoughts on DCU lore?

I thought it was a good way to establish the timeline. The way it went to
>Three minutes ago, Superman lost a battle for the first time
was fucking kino.

So, who was the first metahuman? Is Swamp Thing classified as a metahuman? Did we not have swamp things for as long as plants existed?

>>149458038
In all honesty it's probably Vandal Savage's caveman ass from like 40,000 years ago.

>>149458038
Jesus

>>149458038
It's an interesting question because that would be the late 17th/early 18th century, and I can't think of many DC characters related to that period.

>>149457992 (OP)
Terrible.
Where did Clark spend his 20s? It's been said that he's been in Metropolis for 3 years, so he should be in his mid-20s, not his 30s. So should be Lois Lane.
Also, the idea that Metahumans are only 300 years old is ridiculous. Gunn should have consulted Mark Waid to make it more comic-accurate.

>>149457992 (OP)
Im firmly in the camp that they should have started the movie off with the immediate aftermath of Superman messing with not-neytanyahu, basically treating it as another one of his adventures.

>>149458038
Personally i think this intro is wrong or has incomplete information, DC has had metahumans in it's history for way longer from Black Adam, Vandal Savage, Ras al ghul, Nabu, every Hawkcarnation and Aurakles. I imagine this is just when the superhuman anthropologists identified the first confirmed superbeings.

If i were to make my own super world with metahuman anthropology or some shit i'd make sure there was a heavily flawed historical era chart, lots of flaws like "being too westernized" and "having a biased view of history" (or categorizing history too much or too broadly). Starting with the age of myth and legends, mythical heroes like Hercules and Gilgamesh and such, then going to like.. an age of "legends" being the late antiquity and late medieval period, an era of "adventurers" being the modern period before, the subsequent pulp and spandex eras takeover in the later 1800s and 21st century.

Figures like King Arthur would be a point of contention because going by superhero logic he was probably real with magic, but it was more nuanced than that, hence a criticism of categorizing metahuman history too much.

>>149458092
Clark had to go through university and shit to get that degree in journalism, plus however many years he spent finding himself (and a decent job).

>>149458212
If they're not completely retarded it's definitely meant to be a sort of "rediscovery" of meta humans, with them being public knowledge since then.
Otherwise you'd have to throw out like half of the universe, since none of the sword and sorcery characters would exist.

>>149458242
>Clark had to go through university
18 to 22.
>plus however many years he spent finding himself
It's not like he had Jor-El's hologram teaching him for years, like in Donner's movies.

>>149458032
>>Three minutes ago, Superman lost a battle for the first time
I find that hard to believe when Lex already knew about Kryptonite

>>149458032
>>Three minutes ago, Superman lost a battle for the first time
I feel like this should have been a bigger deal than the film makes it out to be. Like, it would have been a good excuse to rollout footage of life in Metropolis after Superman's arrival before he crossed the line with the international incident.

>>149457992 (OP)
>GODS AND MONSTERS

>>149457992 (OP)
>300 years ago
Who were the first metahumans?

>>149457992 (OP)
An epic orchestral number would’ve made this better. Also, missed opportunity to not do it in space, Richard Donner-style. Still, I’m glad theyre doing this again in movies

>>149458333
300 years ago was the Victorian era, so maybe Frankenstein, Phantom Stranger, and all those niggas. But I thought Vandal Savage was the original metahuman, after coming into contact with Nth metal. They must be talking about the first time metahumans became known to humanity

>>149458256
I think the "3 centuries" line is meant to refer to superheroes and supervillains having been around for such a long time that it gives context as to why the fantastical comic book elements are treated casually by the characters in-universe, as well organizations like the Justice Gang and Green Lantern Corps already being established.

>>149458446
>300 years ago was the Victorian era
My man, 300 years ago would be more than a 100 years before the Victorian period even started.
It would be around the end of the golden age of piracy, and 50 years before the US would split off from the British.

Any significance to the "3" repeated throughout the intro?

>>149458482
Shit, you’re right kek. I always think of the 1700s as the Victorian age, but this is much later than that. Interesting, this was during humanity’s exploration period, when they were still discovering new shit every Tuesday. So metahumans are as engrained in the world as the discovery of a new species, or continent, or dinosaur fossil. Neat

>>149458592
It just ties all the exposition together so it's easier to remember.

>>149458592
Masonic reference

>>149457992 (OP)
retarded

>>149460178
Turn your monitor on

>>149458453
Makes sense, in the 2011 Jonah Hex they pretty much establish that crazy capeshit stuff was already happening around that time. From century babies to mad scientists fighting vampires.

>>149458092
>It's been said that he's been in Metropolis for 3 years
Do they say that in the movie? This crawl says Superman was years ago. Clark could've been in Metropolis for a while before deciding to be Superman.

>>149457992 (OP)
You realize that since Superman flopped, Zaslav will 100% fire Gunn and DC will be rebooted once again, so this lore won't matter at all.

>>149458333
This is the page from New History of the DCU that lines up with about 3 centuries ago so maybe one of these guys.

>>149458092
I do find it interesting that between this movie, Man of Steel, and Superman 78, Clark always waits until he’s 30 to become Superman.

>3 minutes ago, Superman lost a battle for the first time.
FUCKING KINO

>>149460410
HOAK HOAK HOAK!
>Claps like a seal.

>>149458212
My takeaway was that the 1700s was when the first metas became public figures and not that Earth never had metas before then

>>149458592
Could refer to the Trinity (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman)

>>149460433

>>149457992 (OP)
I would have said ancient Egypt since Khufu's reign had Thanagarians, Blue Beetle, Shazam, Black Adam, Dr Fate, Metamorpho element people, while Atlanteans and amazons also existed at that time.

>>149460495
A feathered one.

>>149460406
In the original run, was it ever stated how old Clark was meant to be?

>>149457992 (OP)
Who was the 1725 superhero?

>>149458654
Pretty sure muh masons would have gotten it from, you know, the holy trinity.

>>149458265
typically in Superman stories he finds a way to deal with the kryptonite. so maybe he's taken some hits before, but was able to beat them in the end.

>>149460597
Never specified, though pre-Crisis Clark had become Superman after graduating college so his debut would most likely be when he was 22/23

>>149460903
Huh. I do wonder why he's so often depicted as being older then.

>>149460957
I imagine it has to do with the actors being cast invariably being early 30s so they look more masculine

Has Gunn said what his next directed movie is?

>>149457992 (OP)
I was iffy when I heard the whole thing started with a Star Wars-style text scroll but it actually worked really well. Establishes that this is a world unlike our own, establishes that we're in Chapter 1, Gods and Monsters, of the DCU, immediately gets you interested in the setting, and gives the audience context for the in media res intro to the movie. Actually probably one of the most clever things Gunn did with the movie.

>>149458062
But Vandal Savage is way before 3 centuries ago. Does this opening mean metahumans were only first recorded 300 years ago, or that was legit their first appearance? Also, I feel like they may not include Vandal Savage, since Ra's Al Ghul sort of fills the Immortal villain slot, and the next Batman movie deals with Damian Wayne

>>149460372
We did see Black Pirate in the Hall of Justice mural, and Frankenstein does have his own show. Also, he'll yeah, Captain Fear

>>149458092
>>149460406
Here it's a jesus thing. A super man who came to earth from the heavens, starts doing miracles at age 30 and we pick up with him in the gospels/movie when he's 33.

>>149460406
Even in the OG comics, he only became superman as a grown man, he was superboy for a long time but those adventures were much more low key, and a lot in smallville

>>149460178
rude

>>149457992 (OP)
The Hall of Justice mural hints at some of the other known metahumans. Pic from Twitter. ?? They think might be Gunfire

>3 centuries ago
I'm assuming they were referring to Merlin, Jason Blood, and Shinning Knight?

>>149465148
Way too late for all of them to be popping up since that would be well out of the middle ages.
If anything it would align with DC's pirate comics, but I'm not sure if those had any metahumans.

>>149462098
Not yet. Just that it’s not a direct Superman sequel but Superman is involved.

So he’s probably gonna GOTG the Legion of Super-Heroes or something.

>>149460448

>>149465580
I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a crack at the Legion.

It was cool, Blade Runner 2049 still did it the best

>3 months ago Superman lost his virginity to Lois Lane

Shame they removed it

>>149469093
I can't imagine losing it to a hellcat like Lois

>>149457992 (OP)
I don't really follow it all that closely.

>>149458212
>>149458333
>>149460528
Metamorpho's power are ancient Egyptian base and it would impossible to say Diana is less than 300 years old (or that her people are, at minimum, if you want to go away from the demi-goddess thing), and you're right, unless Hawkgirl is alien as well, she's also got an ancient Egypt origin. We don't really know if Billy exists here, or Teth Adam, so more than likely he means public knowledge of meta humans and anything else gets wrapped up as pagan gods and the like, if the public was aware of it.