Thread 149464279

*saves Sonic comics*

>I've got this great idea for a character
>it's a hedgehog that lives in Sonic's shadow!
Doesn't Sonic already have an antagonist for that?

>>149465335
Metal sonic?

>>149464279 (OP)
I want Surge to brutally rape me and keep me subdued using her electric powers

>>149465335
Tenrecs are more closely related to aardvarks than they are hedgehogs.

>>149465375
I'll tenwreck you so aard you'll vark

>>149465335
Surge and Metal Sonic are better rival characters than Shadow or Knuckles.
Sonic is a reactive hero. He will be doing his own thing until forced into action by an active antagonist.
Shadow has no goals that cross-over with Sonic. Even in his debut game, Sonic Adventure 2, he only ever comes into conflict with Sonic because apparently everyone is blind and thinks mistakes Sonic for Shadow after he raids a bunch of military bases on behest of the actual antagonist, Dr. Eggman. The two have nothing they want to do with each other.
Similarly, Knuckles only cares about the Master Emerald. He only ever gets involved when something happens to it and he is forced to cross paths with Sonic, and he's only ever an antagonist/rival when he is tricked by someone else into being one.
Metal Sonic and Surge, however, are active antagonists. They want Sonic dead. They can actually move a plot along and naturally come into conflict with Sonic. Metal is tied to the hip to Eggman, but Surge has enough agency that she can cause trouble on her own terms for Sonic and Friends.

To Sumarize:
>Knuckles should be the protagonist of his own stories involving the Master Emerald.
>Metal Sonic and Surge should be antagonists of Sonic.
>Shadow has no reason to exist anymore outside of the story that was told with him.

>>149464279 (OP)
I didn't read this comic, but I have read threads: did they mean to make a character that constantly her ass kicked despite getting promoted as a badass?

>>149466310
Are you talking about Eggman?

>>149466392
No he said her, so he means Starline

>>149466310
Yeah, pretty much. The most recent development with Surge is that she got tired of all her repeated ass whoopings and joined the good guys.

>>149464279 (OP)
It doesn't. Sonic comics have always been trash and I wish that overrated writer Ian Flynn was never hired to shit up the games now too. Can't listen to any dialogue in Sonic Frontiers without rolling your eyes

>>149464279 (OP)
Making Surge an obsessed psycho that chases Sonic around in order to kill him or anyone or anything that stands in her way is the right way to go. IDW literally has zero female antagonists and Surge is perfect. She's literally a mind broken, cybernetic psycho that blames Sonic for her ending up the way she is.

>>149464279 (OP)
Desperately need her to punch me

>>149466392
Eggman was never meant to be "badass" outside of Ian's retarded headcannon.

Worse Scourge

>>149469861
>Sonic CD
>Sonic Adventure 1&2
>the fleetway comics
>Sonic Satam
>the archie comics
>the movies
>the OVA
>parts of Lost World
Eggman is not Neo Cortex. He often is played as a genuine threat.

>>149466198
I think 06 ironically figured out what to do with Shadow since they already brought him back.
Make him the GUN rep. That way in games where you don't want to show humans Shadow can serve as their proxy.
Rouge also does that but the two are so closely tied together that there is no real issue.

>>149470060
>Sonic CD
>Sonic Adventure 1&2
>parts of Lost World
You have a very warped definition of "badass" if you think he was supposed to be that in any of those games. I can't wait for you to post the SA1 "mincemeat" video so you can confirm my suspicions of your terminal autism.
>the fleetway comics
>the movies
>the OVA
Literally none of those are canon, nor do they support your point in the slightest. Movie Eggman is literally just Jim Carrey doing his usual role, OVA was lusting over a teenager like a second rate Roshi, and the Fleetway books are so divorced from the general franchise it's practically a non sequitur to even bring it up.
>Sonic Satam
The same SatAM that had commercial's like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRmP5WIKrc&t=18s
SatAM Eggman only exists to be a stereotypical cartoon villain, and is otherwise a vehicle for mockery from Sonic. You may as well argue Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget is "badass".
>the archie comics
You mean the Flynn Fanfic I literally brought up? Good lord you're retarded.

>>149465373
Think you mean, see her get raped

Still can't replace him.

>>149465335
Yeah plus she can actually banter, shadow is more quiet type and metal can't talk til phase 2. But really she had the potential to be all of sonic's negative traits at max a bit like Scourage but more personifed. Scourage was more what if sonic just was evil as even his back story was a bit meh to well just evil. But surge is basically someone made to be like sonic in everyway but more how a villian/others view him. As remember she was made to kill and replace him by starline. So very interesting concept if they didn't immediately drop all that hard, she'd have been fun mirror for sonic. Or just a better punching bag, she literally has just enough she isn't instant ko

>Super speed
>Chaos powers???
>Cocky and talkative
>Competitive
>Cruel
She'd have been so much better as a brat character/rival we were meant to see win til she got a much deserved humilating defeat. Also she'd be fun as she is just good enough they'd have peak banter if they were so obsessed with sonic heroism speech with her everytime.
>>149465351
>>149466198
Yeah metal is pretty great, think his heroes version is still best take on him and sad nothing else has been done beside maybe shard.

Yep exactly sonic is absolute freedom so he lowkey needs a villian who is active in fighting him. An these two have personal beef and vindictivness to sonic.

Metal needs free will again, and to get another identity arc or something. As they left of us with a taste in that one metal virus side story then he went right back to jobbing. Really hope they do the smart thing with surge and have her be more of kind of a fraud hero. So it forces her and sonic to be at odds again, maybe a bit of a mistaken identity thing. Surge makes everyone think she's a hero and sonic a villian. Could be fun arc potentially at least doing something with her big switch up.
>>149467225
More like they have zero antagonist in general. But you aren't wrong surge was great as she was. Now she's just another crybaby female oc

>>149470060
>>the fleetway comics
>>Sonic Satam
>>the archie comics
>>the movies
>>the OVA
Not counting these, we're talking about 1 character, the Doctor Eggman that is in the Sonic game series, moments where Eggman's menace is felt are just that, mere moments, because usually, Sonic defeats him with ease and style, even Unleashed's opening is undercut later on by SA-55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG6KajmJXws

>>149466198
Cringe ass post, time to counter
>Sonic is a reactive hero. He will be doing his own thing until forced into action by an active antagonist.

Sonic has his own goals, wants and general interests as well as a self determined investment to protect the world and save the world plus a heart of justice, hes more assertive and cocky about it. Hes not just a reactive force, he helps people out of charity and kindness on his own volition.

>Shadow has no goals that cross-over with Sonic. Even in his debut game, Sonic Adventure 2, he only ever comes into conflict with Sonic because apparently everyone is blind and thinks mistakes Sonic for Shadow after he raids a bunch of military bases on behest of the actual antagonist, Dr. Eggman. The two have nothing they want to do with each other.

Wrong, Iizuka and Flynn themselves have defined Shadow's character in a opposite spectrum of Sonic's concept as a hero and have stated that's the core essence of their rivalry, Sonic is Shadow's lack of chained misery and freedom from the past and burdens of reality, Shadow is Sonic's secret bad day and a reminder his fantastical happiness can turn to resentment and darkness. They both compliment and clash with each other and Shadow counters Sonic equally as a different parrelel when he shows, preferring to seek a goal and purpose for comfort than fun and adventure.

>Similarly, Knuckles only cares about the Master Emerald. He only ever gets involved when something happens to it and he is forced to cross paths with Sonic, and he's only ever an antagonist/rival when he is tricked by someone else into being one.

Yet Knux chooses to be Sonics second best friend and is the example of a rival turned companion after learning from Sonic theirs more to life than being a duty sentry of a ancient posession.

>>149466198
Continued
>Metal Sonic and Surge, however, are active antagonists. They want Sonic dead. They can actually move a plot along and naturally come into conflict with Sonic. Metal is tied to the hip to Eggman, but Surge has enough agency that she can cause trouble on her own terms for Sonic and Friends.

Metal is shallow and expendable both to Sonic and Eggman, hes a prop to exploit Sonic and Eggman special capabilities and hype moments. Shadow does this better and has his own character development instead of being Sonics beating stick and Eggmans right hand man to be destroyed and beaten as a plot device. Surge is even worse, she's basically a yandere version of Knuckles.

>To Sumarize:
>Tdlr, I hate Shadow and my opinion is worthless because Shadow is more popular than all three of them and a better character and Rival, which makes me seethe.

Cope and touch grass

>>149464279 (OP)
I gotta say, I haven't read a sonic comic since Archie Sonic around 2005, but when IDW 50 came out, I picked it up because of this variant cover and Surge herself.

>>149470392
>You have a very warped definition of "badass" if you think he was supposed to be that in any of those games.
Why don’t you define what you think makes a good villain instead of just going “nuh-uh doesn’t count.” like a retard.
>Movie Eggman is literally just Jim Carrey doing his usual role,
Sometimes. The Death Egg Robot and Super Eggman in Sonic 2 was played as a big threat though.
>OVA was lusting over a teenager like a second rate Roshi,
Completely ignoring Mecha Robotnik would have drowned Sonic and Tails if not for the save from Knuckles.
>the Fleetway books are so divorced from the general franchise it's practically a non sequitur to even bring it up.
They’re more faithful to the original Sonic Bible than the American comics and cartoons. Also he literally becomes god there.
>The same SatAM that had commercial's like this?
Wow, some isolated obscure ice cream ad. Really showed me. Really shows how Robotnik would never get comeuppance in the actual show unlike every other saturday morning villain at the time.
>You mean the Flynn Fanfic I literally brought up?
Ian Flynn is not the sole writer for Archie comics. You have Flynn Derangement Syndrome.

>>149470696
Glad i got it. It's already easily worth over AU$100

>>149470639
>Sonic has his own goals, wants and general interests as well as a self determined investment to protect the world
What do you think reactive means stoopid? If he waits until someone's threatening the world or doing evil stuff, that makes him reactive.

I just wish the writers understood basic storytelling.

>>149470639
>Shadow is Sonic's secret bad day and a reminder his fantastical happiness can turn to resentment and darkness.
Holy schizo delusions. This is not evident in any story involving him, you've invented this interpretation entirely in your own mind.

>>149471614
I mean SA2 was absolutely trying to give them parallels.

>>149470437
No. I want Surge to molest me and keep me in line with electric shocks.