Thread 149465505

Did that many people really hate Scott before the 2000's (where almost EVERY X-Men character was written like shit) ?

Scott is the boy scout, or he was. Nobody likes that kind of character compared to the bad boy.

Yeah but it's not like he was THAT hated, he was just rarely anyones favorite compared to Wolverine or Gambit or more weird mutants like Colossus or Nightcrawler

Basically he was Leonardo, he was the least popular because he was the most boring, and responsible, and kids don't like responsibility (Spider-Man doesn't count because him preaching about responsibility is about as tacked on as Sonic Seyz or G.I. Joe PSAs, Spidey personality wise was a funny dickhead)

>>149466816
people keep saying this yet kids were pissing, shitting and vomiting when Optimus Prime died

>>149465505 (OP)
He was consistently one of the most popular characters since the inception of the team

>>149466950
How much you like Cyclops was a good test of how much you actually read the comics or how much you knew about the comics. And I don't mean the modern era Rightclops. I mean classic X-men. It was all cartoon fags who thought Wolverine was "badass" when he ran off to pout because people told him what to do.

>>149466816
And just like with Leo, in hindsight as an adult you realize he's the best member of the team.

>>149467042
One day you really do just wake up and realize how hard it is to stand for something. I miss the real Scott.

>>149467042
>>149467292
It hurts to read pre-Rightclops Scott.

>>149467366
It hurts to read old X-men in general

>>149467005
I still think Wolverine is cooler in the comics, Cyclops always came off like a smug prep

>>149466834
Optimus Prime wasn't ever the stick in the mud though, he was jovial with his crew and loved by pretty much all of them like a father or brother g brother almost more than a leader/boss, and he only got on moral rants against Megatron, he was more like if Santa Claus was also a gun toting action hero than "the one who keeps everyone in line"

>>149467509
Yeah, well Wolverine was a whiny midget simp.

>>149467423
>>149467366
>>149467292
When do you think it got really bad? I say early to mid-2000's but some others I've seen dip out of X-Men as far back as the beginning of volume 2.

>>149467623
The movies

>>149467623
The cracks start to show during Morrison's run with the whole possession by Apocalypse thing being used as a reason why Scott isn't himself anymore. Then House of M and Decimation happened

>>149467623
1986 was the first fault but the movies and the following Morrison era were the start of the decline.

>>149466816
This anon gets it. Cyclops was still pretty cool actually, but he was the team boy scout. There were other, cooler X-Men. Wolverine was at peak popularity too, and Cyclops was his competition for Jean.

Leonardo is a great comparison, though he was actually my favorite (because I was a little kid that liked swords and blue mostly, plus he felt the most heroic).

>>149467719
Every kid always like Michelangelo but I remember thinking he was an idiot. Kids will surprise you sometimes by picking the "serious" one. They can be self conscious like that. They don't want what they like to be seen as a joke.

>>149467593
Yeah but I always gravitated to "the pissed off guy" in shit, the movie Wolverine made him more of a traditional cool guy with issues than being the rage machine but I liked him before that

>>149467805
Raphael would be the better comparison here though, right? But I feel like the show didnt give him enough chances to actually be cool, plus the turtles ultimately are all just funny looking guys with weapons and acrobatics, so in the old cartoon at least none of them could stand out with especially cool powers or character design

>>149468725
Perhaps. But I think some kids probably still gravitated to the idea of being the boss if for no other reason than to be the boss.

>>149468725
>>149468799
And the swords, don't forget the swords. As a kid, swords were a lot cooler to me than sai.

>>149468811
the sai was the worst weapon easily. Nobody ever wanted to be Raph in the video games. He'd be your favorite turtle and you'd still push a kid over to be able to pick donatello.

>>149468831
Did they even have different stats like Streets of Rage did? That'd be a good way to balance the difference

>>149468831
True. Don's range was insane. The games are probably a big reason I liked Leo over Raph.

>>149468943
They do. Raph is actually the strongest character in Turtles in Time, despite the short range.

>>149465505 (OP)
Kinda. Not to that extent, but he was still hated. Mostly because of some of the truly disgusting moments he's had in the comics. The way he treated Madelyne. Or how he tried to take Storm's place as leader and failed miserably. Him getting all turned on by Psylocke, despite being married and so on.

>>149467042
>And just like with Leo, in hindsight as an adult you realize he's the best member of the team.
This is because as you become an adult, you realize the importance of responsibility and leadership.

>>149469081
Every job I worked has had a horrible boss who only got the position via nepotism or favoritism, so desu I never really learned that rofl

>>149469150
I'm guessing there's a lot of things you never learned.

>>149467623
AvX, there was bad shit before thet starting with House of M, but the X-Men's response was generally suitably heroic.

>>149469629
Everyone learns different skills. Cyc can play golf, Wolvie can fix a car, Gambit can hotwire a car, etc

>>149469017
>Him getting all turned on by Psylocke
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>>149470100
It was a subplot, Psylocke flirting with Cyke; who didn't shut it down because of reasons.

>>149470100
He's married not dead.

>>149470185
And now she's sleeping with his daughter. The X-Men are all disgusting deviants.

>>149469017
I mean, that's just classic Marvel "flawed hero" stick. Remember how Peter was disgusting to Debra Whitman.
Sometime, a writer hear about heroes being flawed, and just write them as assholes.
+ The Madelyne thibg was editorial mandated because of "muh OG X-men"

>>149465505 (OP)
I think a lot of people thought Cyclops had kind of like, eh powers. He's just a normal guy but can shoot lasers from his eye (yeah I know it's not really a laser but 90 percent of people thought that) which makes him seem like a majorly nerfed Superman.

>>149465505 (OP)
I like kids Cyclops and Kamala.

>>149467623
every body always says different answers like Claremont in the 80s or Morrison's New X-Men or Bendis with Decimation but the real answer was always Avengers vs X-Men. That was the point of no return, because before that was just goofy shit that could be retconned. Yes, Morrison's stuff and Bendis' bullshit with Decimation were the lead-ups to it but it was still AvX that broke the camel's back.

>>149469081
>>149467042
What does it mean if Leo and Scott were my favorites even as a kid? We didn't have much of a comics market back then, so my only reference were the 90s and early 00s' cartoons

>>149466834
I have no doubt this is true but I remember being a kid and everyone thinking it was so cool that they killed off Prime. Not that kids hated him but because it showed how "adult" the cartoon movie was.

Jim lee Cyclops is a very silly design

>>149470821
It's a lot cooler than condom suit, and blue/white just doesn't work as a color scheme unless your character is like a scandinavian christian knight

>>149470863
>It's a lot cooler than condom suit
How dare you!

>>149468725
On a rewatch, I actually liked 2003 Raph for growing up throughout the seasons.

>>149465505 (OP)
LITERALLY what is in the pouches???

>>149470778
>What does it mean if Leo and Scott were my favorites even as a kid?
You were either a leader among your friends or a boring nerd.

>before the 2000's (where almost EVERY X-Men character was written like shit)
Never read an X-Men comic in your life, huh?

>>149465505 (OP)
It's complicated.
There were the 80s fans who liked Claremont's WolverJean and wanted Scott out the way.
There were the 80s fans who still thought Scott did Chris and Madelyne wrong, despite the Inferno retcons.
Then there were the 90s cartoon fans that didn't like him from the cartoon, because it opens with Cyclops leaving Morph behind and Wolverine being the moral center of the team.

>>149471884
>Claremont's WolverJean
Man, Claremont really damaged Cyclops' image.

>>149471897
Tbf Claremont hated Scott and tried to write him off in every way possible so that Jean would end up with Wolverine while Scott would get the "consolation prize" in Madelyne.

>>149465505 (OP)
wolverine was cooler and scott acted as a direct rival

Isn't WolverJean's disguting. Its literally about a scruty old man inserting himself in a couple of young adults.

>>149465505 (OP)
Eye lasers sound cool until they're your ONLY power and you are physically useless otherwise

>>149471952
>Isn't WolverJean's disguting. Its literally about a scruty old man inserting himself in a couple of young adults.
t. Scott Summers

>>149471897
>>149471921
Claremont didn't hate Scott at all, just the opposite. He built up Scott as a confident leader. From the Ashes, where he took on the entire team on his own to save Madelyne, was his peak. But he intended for him to retire with Madelyne and show up to help on occasion. What pissed him off was when Shooter demanded Scott come back for the O5 reunion alongside resurrected Jean in X-Factor. That's when he got pissy and did the Wolverine/Jean retcon in Classic X-Men and treated Cyclops with disdain ever since.

>>149471952
Anytime Wolverine is paired with an attractive woman makes my skin crawl. He is literally a hairy-assed five-foot manlet with anger issues, what's attractive about that to a woman especially in comics when there's literal godlike chads walking around?

>>149471985
Pure machismo.

>>149471985
Women like hairy men simple as

>>149471971
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Maybe he was right about Jean.
If they can kill Mar Vell, why not Jean?

>>149472101
Claremont never wanted to kill Jean in the first place. He just wanted her to lose her powers, but Byrne got out of control and had her blow up the broccoli-man planet to raise the stakes so Shooter said she needed to be punished for committing genocide. His suggestion was to have her tortured for all eternity, Claremont chose to kill her instead because he thought that was a bit much. Finding out they were bringing her back in that "Actually that was never Jean, it was all-Phoenix" way really irked him.

>>149472227
Man, I respect Byrne and Shooter, but that's a wtf moment.