Ok what the actual fuck is the anti life equation?

You can't be told what the anti-life equation is.

>>149471126 (OP)
Its essence of amy schumers stand up routine

>>149471134

It's kinda like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBxUNaQI1I

It's a random series of words that Jack Kirby put together that sounded cool.

>>149471126 (OP)
it's kinda like life, except the exact mathematical inversion. I dont see whats so hard to understand

>>149471225
So death?

Darkseid used it in Final Crisis, lost of free will.

>>149471241
Wasn't Final Crisis like, liquid shit? Worst event DC's ever had?

>>149471126 (OP)
>Ok what the actual fuck is the anti life equation?
loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding x guilt x shame x failure x judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=dark side

>>149471235
don't be retarded, anon. Death and undeath have no relation to life and antilife

>>149471266
So is it like Sivana uttering the equation that lets him phase through walls or what? An incantation? Knowing it just lets him take away others' free will?

>>149471298
Exactly

>>149471247
Not even in the top 10, probably not top 20 by now.

>>149471126 (OP)
4chan.

>>149471126 (OP)
It's anti-sense. Abstruse gobbledygook. At best, writing like that describes a vibe. It's obviously some kinda bad thing, which is why Darkseid wants it.

>>149471126 (OP)
It’s what normal people call “friendship”. Because he’s a weirdo shut-in old man who’s alienated all his kids.

>>149471126 (OP)
Probably the Infinity Gauntlet but DC.

>>149471235
Death is the absence of life, not the inverse of it

>>149471126 (OP)
Einstein wanted to find "An equation for the universe."

Darkseid wanted to find "An equation to dominate the universe."

That's it. That's all the depth there is to it.

It's retarded as shit, but DC fans have gaslighted themselves into thinking it's something profound.

>>149471247
HAHAHA no. The only real problem with FC was that reading everything building up to it was pretty much mandatory.

Kirby explained and demonstrated the use of the anti-life equation multiple times so I'm bewildered that there are brainlets like Bruce Timm who genuinely said "Kirby never really explained what the anti-life equation was." If you don't know what it is, you either never read the source material or were somehow too dumb to understand it.

>>149471247
Yes

>>149471764
Since no one’s ever found it they’re speculating and philosophizing to an extent here, right?
I seem to recall Mark Evanier saying that Kirby had a different answer whenever he was asked about it.

>>149471870
No, Sonny Sumo did in fact have the anti-life equation. But he needed the mother box to truly utilize it. Billion Dollar Bates was another person who was born with the equation within his mind, but he was killed before Darkseid could get his hands on him. It was always kept out of his grasp.

>>149471764
>>149471870
>>149471298
Anti-Life Equation is something that can be used to give you absolute control over all life. That much is clear. What's confusing is how the equation is applied. Once you know it, do you have to build some device that sends out control rays or something? But somehow just knowing the equation is enough to control people, like telling them it makes them break down in despair or something? I believe the explanation is something like "this equation proves life is meaningless," but it's unclear how that would do anything other than make people bummed out.
>>149471209
Pretty much, but it does sound really cool.

>>149471126 (OP)
A MacGuffin that later writers took too seriously.

>>149471561
Darkness is the absence of light and yet it is the inverse of it.

>>149471247
Not even close. It got messy towards the end, but with the New 52 getting pushed a couple years and the art changes.
But maybe Didio should have spent more time being an editor and less time fucking JG Jones' wife.

>>149471266
I don't see what the big deal DARKSEID IS DARKSEID IS DARKSEID IS ALL HAIL DARKSEID!

>>149471948
That's something Morrison tacked on later. The way Kirby depicted it, a person simply knowing the answer to the equation gives them Purple Man-esque ability to get anyone to do what they want.

>>149471126 (OP)
It's a meme that lets him control all life.

>>149471870
>I seem to recall Mark Evanier saying that Kirby had a different answer whenever he was asked about it.
I think that was about what "Fourth World" means.

>>149472015
>he doesn't know about the anti-light equation

>>149471948
>Anti-Life Equation

>>149471126 (OP)
you wouldn't get it

>>149471235
No, life here means agency. So like anti-agency which means hive mind existence. In this usage, death is the absence of life and not the opposite of it.

>>149472015
>>149472105
so this is all Doctor Light's fault

>>149471126 (OP)
Mr. Mxyzptlk + Batmite

>>149471126 (OP)
I prefer Omega Sanction.

>>149471126 (OP)

>>149471126 (OP)
The ultimate vantablackpill

>>149473255
>>149474658
Why didn't Darkseid pursue this lead?

>>149471126 (OP)
it's a form of cosmic knowledge that allows one to utilize a dark cosmic power. it is counter balanced by the life equation which when known allows the possessor to use a similar but opposite cosmic power. knowing the full uncensored equation essentially just unlocks the brains ability to use the power.

how it is used is really up to the possessor. some use technologically to use its powers, others in a limited fashion to do minor shit like walk through walls, but it's really just used the way the possessor thinks it can be used.

>>149471126 (OP)
It’s basically the Despair Code

>>149474750
What can Darkseid do against the 5th dimension?

>>149474932
Supes is only in the 3rd and still beats them everytime

>>149474999
He usually beats Darkseid too so the scaling doesn't really work here.

>>149471126 (OP)
what if he just spent all that time and effort making a really big gun and then pointed it at New Genesis?

>>149474999
Because Mxy is a silly loony tune moron who gets tricked easily and Bat-Mite is a fanboy.
It's not a power level thing, it's an intention thing. The 5th dimension could have total control of the third if they wanted to but don't care.

>>149474932
Omega-beam it

>>149471126 (OP)

Somebody pull up the screenshot.

>>149471143
Hush man, you'll doom us all!

>>149471247
No? To be fair it was probably too heady and out there for a mainline event but that's part of what made it so good. I contend Superman Beyond not being included in the collection hurts it tho and throws a lot of ppl off. A main plot of the whole shebang.

>>149471126 (OP)
Depends on where it comes from since it's just comics gobbledygook, but
>life itself can be boiled down to just straight-up math somehow
>if you can figure that math out, you can basically do godlike shit with life
>if you invert the math, you get the anti-life equation
>math that can be used to "unmake" life on both the small and large scale
>or it just controls all life because ???
>or it's just a big infinite-power magic beam spell
>or it lets you turn into an airplane and shoot off into space on a rainbow unicorn made of hopes and dreams

Okay the short answer to make it really simple is like the Unimind from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command where Zurg imposed his mind/will across the galaxy.

The long in-canon answer is that it is a meta-mathematical formula that if solved and understood, basically allows the user to "hack the source code of the universe" in which they could assume control of every living thing that exists both mind and will. Darkseid is the god of tyranny, and basic conquest is inefficient. He wants the Anti-Life Equation to impose his will and rule across the universe in one fell swoop

>>149471126 (OP)
It's the ability to control everyone's wills.

>>149471126 (OP)
Morrison's take on the equation is fourth wall awareness. Fictional capeshit characters understand they aren't real, and then fall into despair, tyranny, and evil because of it. The Life Equation represents the opposite perspective: there's nothing wrong with being "less real" than the real world and it is liberating and empowering rather than something self-destructive and suicidal.

From what Kirby wrote, the Anti-Life Equation is simply the ability for one ego to dominate the minds of others. Morrison expanded on the concept, but there's a deeper cultural context to what Kirby wrote that future runs haven't fully capitalized on and most people are unaware of unless they're /x/-pilled and into the occult

>>149477186
>there's a deeper cultural context to what Kirby wrote that future runs haven't fully capitalized on and most people are unaware of unless they're /x/-pilled and into the occult
hit me

>>149471126 (OP)
Woke ideology

>>149477216
New Gods was influenced by Nordic and Azteca mythology, Kirby's Jewish upbringing (and the stories in the Bible, particularly the apocrypha), William Blake, Kabbalah, and Kirby's time spent in WW2. Kirby was a well-read man and not enough credit is given to how his portrayal of tyrant characters (Doom, Darkseid, Red Skull, etc) closely follows the psychology of actual fascist leaders (broken relationships with their mothers).

To understand Anti-Life is to see the common underlying threads linking YHWH, Odin, Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin, etc. Anti-Life is pure and total selfishness. It isn't just enslavement of minds, but abuse-induced suicide and absolute ego-selfishness (which only speeds up the process of destruction). Darkseid's desire to dominate the universe with his mind is akin to YHWH declaring himself as absolute, Odin's quest to stave off Ragnarok, Hitler wanting Germany to reign supreme forever, etc. The kind of person who wants the Anti-Life equation is someone who is afraid to live life and what it entails. They are the sort of person to both declare "I have a soul" and "I don't have a soul" in the face of Truth.

Someone who wants to be everywhere and within everyone's souls and minds must not love themselves very much. They must be the most scared and lonely person in the whole universe. They must be someone very possessive of the people who do love them.

>>149477442
very interesting stuff anon, thank you. the study of the psychology of the tyrant is definitely something that shines through in kirby's darkseid for sure

>>149477216
>>149477442
>>149477534
Thank you, anon.

Anti-Life is effectively no different than the justification Galactus gives for devouring planets or Thanos' lust for power. Tyranical demiurges chasing and eating their own tails, afraid of simply being alive with having to put up walls or hurt others. Thanos was purely Starlin's creation, but his characterization perfectly embodies what Kirby was implying about Darkseid. A God-Man as a hurt and crying cowardly tyrant manchild who ultimately wants nothing more than friendship and maternal love, but he'd sooner kill himself (and everyone else) than admit it.

>>149471126 (OP)
Sneed/FeedxSeed ^Formerly
as t--> Chuck

>>149472046
>a person simply knowing the answer to the equation gives them Purple Man-esque ability to get anyone to do what they want.
For instance, penises?

>>149477629
Wrong

>>149477629
>>149478893

There is two answers two it

1. Is that it is a math proof that when heard out loud, basically turns you into a mind controlled zombie stripped of all free will

2. It's the evil side of the Source (God of the New God) that split off from it when the Third World of Gods fell. If the Source proper representrd life, the Anti-Life entity is death incarnate and harnessing it is less about mind control and more basically harnessing destructive energy

Why is DC so fucking gay?

>>149477755
jejed

>>149479183
>It's the evil side of the Source (God of the New God) that split off from it when the Third World of Gods fell.
so fucking retarded that only a DC writer can come up with this shit

>>149474750
>Why didn't Darkseid pursue this lead?
Because Mxy just lit his cigar with Darkseids full powered Omega Effect blast, then made a Jojo pose and Apokolips blew up.

He is kind of just too flabbergasted to pursue anything.

>>149471126 (OP)
Ni+Fe+Au+Ga+Er+Rg

You take those elements and portion off the initial reaction when combined to get the anti-life equation.

>>149471202
You cant mathmatically prove or disprove the existance of god.

>>149471126 (OP)
Anti Life is the subjugation of will and freedom of choice. It is not death because death is a part of life. Anti Life is the ability to rob others of their ability to live their own lives and to make free choices.

>>149474750
Mxyzptlk and Batmite would fuck his shit up.

>>149480282
true. you need a small fish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zIuQBq0-0Q

Whatever the fuck Morrison was trying to get across here

>>149480767
Torment, misery, and the feeling of being helpless, powerless, and alone?

>>149472015
No? Anti-photons are real. they’re the same thing as photons, as photons are neutral particles. The inverse of light is light - darkness is just the absense.

>>149480826
Gym class?

>>149480283
So what would Darkseid do if he accomplished this?

>>149471688
So... the Clitoris?

>>149471247
Have you not read Identity Crisis?

>>149471126 (OP)
It's a math problem that disproves free will.

The anti life equation is becoming self aware enough to know you're in a comic book and can control the characters. It is the editorial diktat that strips away free will to assert control.

Hypercrisis is the hopeful theory that editorial doesn't ultimately decide the story because people will remember the stuff they liked and eventually champion their own stories, meaning everything is fixable.

>>149480826
Damn so its an incel mindset?

>>149480874
rule

>>149481093
So hes like drumfp huh

>>149480874
Look out upon the universe, see only himself, as if reflected in a mirror, and finally know what fear is.

>>149471126 (OP)
Under Kirby? A silly name for mind-control powers

Under everyone since starlin? An actual equation that gives you anything from ultimate power to mind control.

>>149481099
Specifically Nixon.

>>149481168
Nixon is a saint compared the orange pedo

>>149477442
>>149477629

> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
> The same was in the beginning with God.
> All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
> In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
> And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The anti-life equation is the inversion of creation. The anti-Word, that snuffs out the light that is the reflection of God in the universe. I mean, the opposed worlds are called New Genesis and Apokolips.

>>149475109
In Emperor Joker, it shows what would happen if Mxy attempted to control the third dimension and it is basically reality would break. I know Grant Morrison made an evil 5th dimensional villain but I didn't read him. Was he named XTRMNTR or some shit? And he had a 5th dimension blade that strikes a target at multiple points in their timeline all at once?

>>149481099
>>149481238
>>>/pol/ you insufferable faggot

>>149480767
This art is rough lol

>>149471247
It’s convoluted but not even close to the worst. Some parts of it are spectacular even.

>>149480838
Damn
>anti-motion is motion, but in the opposite direction
DEEPEST LORE

>>149481381
It was meant to be read on paper that made the colors much darker and everything less detailed.

>>149481360
Morrison did a few 5th dimensional things

The Anti-Life Equation is a primordial mathematical concept that is beyond human average understanding, only glimpsed at by 12th level intelligencia (New Gods, The Endless, cosmic entities, ect.) that, once undestood/deciphered, can grant the weilder absolute control over living beings. ALL living beings. Even Prometheans.
If Darkseid were to get the Anti-Life Equation, he would effectively become Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet--Not the movie version the original version from the comics, the original story written by Jim Starlin.

>>149481076
Yes but in >>149480767 it’s all complexly valid. I think the idea of this point in 7 soldiers that MM was living the worst possible scenarios a human could live through, and feeling like nothing has any purpose

>>149471126 (OP)
basically proves of what the meaning of life is. at the end of the equation darksaied writes = darkseid
thus making the meaning of life darkseid

>>149477186

for my money, its a nihilist's concept brought to reality; its a statement of the existence of a proposition of an equation that when plugged into any scenario of the universe's natural chaos which includes life brings it to the same final conclusion of order.

For someone like Darkseid, its the realization of his statement of the meaninglessness of life an chaos.

>>149481801
Chop Suzi had it worse

>>149481837
So its basically just darkseid doing an sql injection?

>>149476013
I don't remember, has he EVER obtained it? There have been basic humans that have used it before, but Darkseid's always cucked out of it

>>149481453
This still looks like shit . It’s not the color or the values it’s the backgrounds and actual figures that are awful

>>149482141
Yes, that's the entire basis behind Final Crisis.
In the DCAU Lex Luthor got it and also gave it to him as gift, but Timm and McDuffie treated it as something that gives you omnipotence and omniscience and as a result, makes you want to go into the source wall so you can be galaxy brained among all the other galaxy brains in there.

>>149481115
This, any other answer is giving Morrison and John’s too much credit for ruining simplicity with faux complexity

>>149481381
>>149481453
iirc original artist had some health issues, and a replacement had to rush to get hte art done

>>149471126 (OP)
>>149471132
>>149471134
>>149471225
>>149474688

>>149482419
It looking awful is a meta-textual thing so that the reader suffers a little along with Shilo

>>149482445
That explains why it’s so shitty I guess

>>149477442
>closely follows the psychology of actual fascist leaders (broken relationships with their mothers
Literally the dessignated main villain from real life adored his mother, wtf?

>>149471126 (OP)
It's Darkseid fundamentally misunderstanding how mathematics work and refusing to admit that he's wrong for thousands of years.
Like, he hears about the Life Equation, and immediately assumes that because it exists, there must be a dark inverse to it, the Anti-Life Equation. Which is kind of like if someone told you the mathematical formula for gravity, and you immediately assumed that there must be an anti-gravity formula that would allow you to start flying around at will. And then you dedicated your life to trying to discover this fictional formula.

>>149483663
What is the life equation?

>>149483741
Jesus Christ.

>>149481364
Mad

>>149471247
It's awful dreck that requires reading basically the entirety of Morrison's mainline DC output from Animal Man up through his Batman run, plus Kirby's DC stuff, plus possibly Morrison's own non-comic collected thoughts on comics and superheroes and All Star Superman to get. Even if you do that the story is still utter dog shit and poorly paced garbage with plot points and twists that just kind of come out of nowhere and are expanded on in what amounts to ancillary tie ins (yes the faggy Superman 3D book is still a tie in that's requires reading). It's awful and I'm convinced people convince themselves to like it becauase they don't want Morrison's pseud dick lickers calling them brainlets or that the great and infallible Morrison's hyped up end all, be all event turned out to be little more than incoherent meta ramblings about cape comics.

>>149471126 (OP)
It's math and Darkseid is evil for forcing everyone to engage with math.

>>149475740
Different doesn't mean good. If Final Crisis had been written by a younger Morrison with something to prove it might have been better. Instead it was written by middle aged druggie Morrison who had effectively said what he needed to say about comics back in Animal Man.

>>149471126 (OP)
A mcmuffin.

>>149481113
That feels like it could be a good short story or something.

>>149484596
Now tell me what you think of Seven Soldiers

>>149472046
>simply knowing the answer to the equation gives them Purple Man-esque ability
Ahh, I see.

>>149472119
>the entertainment equation

>>149471247
I think its one of the best DC events. It's one of those stories where you really feel like you're looking into a world with its own existence.

>>149481360
youre talking about Vyndktvx (he is the vindictive ex of Nyxlygsptlnz)

>>149471247
It was decent enough I suppose. It was less one of those insulting events and more one of just loud headachey ones

>>149477442
>>149477629
to play the zoomer's advocate, how does Conquest's characterization in Invincible, especially with the dialogue in the show, compare to these two tyrants? He too has a soft longing for something he'll never admit, and constantly craves violence and, well, conquest. Kirkman isn't exactly a genius writer but this comparison just popped in my mind as I read phrases like
>"most scared and lonely person in the whole universe"
and
>"who ultimately wants nothing more than friendship and maternal love, but he'd sooner kill himself (and everyone else) than admit it"
in these two posts. Great analysis nonetheless!

>>149485506
Morrison has produced nothing worth reading since Rock of Ages. 2000s Morrison where he was concerned with being the Jim Morrison of comic books is fucking hyper-cringe. He completely bought into his hype and got up his own ass thinking he was some metafictional genius and rock star (because Gerard Way sucked him in the waning days of MCR's relevance). 2010/2020s Morrison is less rock star and more just a slightly bitter old man complaining about the current state of comics.

>>149471247
Depends on if one of your favorites got dumped on or not. Like, I can't imagine there's a lot of superfans of Mary Marvel, but if there were, her showing up just to be a crazy hatred-zombie would put a damper on things.
>this is why only overlooked c-listers like Mary Marvel get thrown in the grinder
Yeah I know

>>149486167
Morrison cultists actually think this.

>>149471247
Not even close

>>149471247
literally no one believes this, not even the stupidest /co/faggots

>>149487491
Its a bait and you nigs got hooked

>>149487501
>found the stupidest /co/faggot

>>149471126 (OP)
It's more accurately the Anti-Individuality Equation, because someone using it on you strips you of all individuality, free will, all sense of "I" and "me" as you just become a slave to their bidding

>>149483663
>refusing to admit that he's wrong for thousands of years.
Kirby's anti-life equation genuinely existed.

>>149483663
>And then you dedicated your life to trying to discover this fictional formula
do you not realize this is how a huge chunk of scientists operate?

>>149471126 (OP)
Thanos' shitty coffee.

>>149483663
Except that there literally is an anti-life equation in Kirby's stories.

>>149471247
It produced one of my favourite comics about the Rogues, so I forgive it

>>149471126 (OP)
Mambo number 6

>>149471247
It's one of the better ones but it's still garbage.

>>149471126 (OP)
How do you define the number of cells, and atoms/particles, and chemicals, and stuff in a sperm and womb egg with science equations?

I mean i guess you could try, but you would have to know a LOT of very SPECIFIC details about biology and science.
And probably be very autistic.
Should we ask sci?
Couldn't you just figure out the deadliest chemicals/elements in the universe or our planet and figure out the science equation to that?

I should point out, i feel like the anti life equation is only made for humanoid/intelligent lifeforms of comics (that are 99% humanoid).
I feel like it's less of an anti-life, and more of an anti threats to darkside, right?
It's fair to say it's just sort of a kryptonite type of comic bs?

>>149471126 (OP)
Oh, this?

>>149487458
God I truly fucking despise Harley being pushed as a hero, genuinely the #1 thing stopping me from putting out any DC books these days.

>>149471126 (OP)
idk

>>149486491
World War 3 was decent for giving payoff to stuff that was set up like Aztec.

>>149480767
>>149481453
Damn.
One is way too dark. The other is way too "clean".
I blended the 2 together and it looks way better.

>>149490666
those are nice trips for such a page

>>149471126 (OP)
The anti-life equation isn't as good as spending quality time conquering the universe with your son.

>Ok what the actual fuck is the anti life equation?
Finding out DC editorial controls your life.

>>149474932
>What can Darkseid do against the 5th dimension?
Elseworld Zatanna once enslaved Mxy. He should be able to get his hands on both imps if he really wants to.

>>149494343
Zatanna is kinda busted and most of the time can make anything happen via magic as long as she can say it backwards.

>>149471126 (OP)
Love
>can "control" and make you act counter to self preservation
>Darkseid fundamentally cannot understand this

>>149477629
>Anti-Life is effectively no different than the justification Galactus gives for devouring planets
That actually got its intended payoff despite Fraction's best efforts to derail that shit with his stupid Galactus Seed bullshit. That was a decades long setup for Lifebringer Galactus.

Course they then let fucking Cates get their hands on Galactus and decades of setup and payoff got tossed out the window for his backstory being a lie and he's actually a herald of Black Winter.

>>149494381

>>149495486
Sneed

>>149490980
the Casper slide part 3

>>149471126 (OP)
What's the practicla application for mythological symbols in math? Couldnt the trident be replaced with like an x or a y

Darksied is based on the Christian version of the Devil and is also a representation of the worst of Christianity. The Anti Life equation is what people across generations have sought after: proof of their god to justify their harmful actions.

The New vs Old gods have a bunch of mythological undertones with "good" ones being based on older mythologies and reinventing them, while Apokolips represents a rejection and utter destruction of all other ideas, like Christianity after Jesus.

In modern comics, like Preacher, he's compared directly to Jesus.

>>149497395
>Darksied is based on the Christian version of the Devil
No he's not

>>149474932
>>149480286
That Darkseid in Final Hour or whatever could take the imps.

>>149497395
Kirby was not Christian nor did he really base his characters around Christianity

>>149471688
this

loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding × guilt × shame × failure × judgment n = y, where y = hopelessness and n = folly, love = lies, life = death, self = dark side

>>149471126 (OP)

>>149471126 (OP)
The Martians developed the Life Equation, and Darkseid figured out there must be an opposite, which when used(?) can dominate others.

>>149483567
>Literally the dessignated main villain from real life adored his mother, wtf?
Exception to the rule, because I know a lot of guys who hate their mothers and I know exactly what he means.

>>149471132
this.
thread.
FPBP
/
the whole idea is the opposite of reality and existence. if it where to exist then nothing would exist.

>>149483567
>Literally the dessignated main villain from real life adored his mother, wtf?
Exception to the rule, because I know a lot of guys who hate their mothers and I know exactly what he means.

>>149481801
It’s NEVER valid. Take your red pill black pill bullshit away incel

>>149500741
except that's not it lmao, you're taking the term at face-value and thinking anti-life = death when it's actually the explanations here >>149471764 >>149473202 >>149480283

>>149495486
I think that might have been Evanier's take in the "Old Gods and New" companion book by John Morrow.

>>149471126 (OP)
It doesn’t exist. High father found an equation that proved that life was was worth living and inherently had value and DARKSEID being shit at math decided to look for the opposite. He’s trying to disprove a theory.

>>149471132
What if, when you explain the anti-life, you become dead and therefor it can't be answered?

>have some undead/zombie/ghost character say it.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Undead

Anti-Life vs Infinity Stones. Which one is cooler?

>>149502013
Infinity Stones by a country mile. Anti-Life only deals with living sapient beings in the universe. Infinity Stones make you a real cosmic god.

>>149502013

Goku vs Superman 4 the quest for peace

any fan anad lover of justice league odssey besides me?

>>149471126 (OP)
>anti
God q

>>149500800
Nigger, most incels live comfy lives and barely struggle, MM literally got his dick cut off and burned alive

>>149504200
>most incels live comfy lives and barely struggle
how retarded do you have to be to cope so hard like this

>>149500741
Now what are we going to do?

>>149472119
>Anti-Life Equation

>>149483663
It exists but Kirby said that if Darkseid ever obtained it, he wouldn't be able to use it.

Marvelfag here, why is Kirby's Fourth World saga considered so important by DC fans? And I'm not talking about writing quality, since I know what a generational talent Kirby was, but rather I'm asking about why it's so important to the DC universe and the brand as a whole? Is it only Darkseid, or is there more to it? I know Snyder was really fixated on some sort of related plot since he was gonna have Darkseid show up too, but that went to shit as we all know. I'd love fo some explanation about what the New Gods are and how important they are, especially in comparison to someone like Dream of the Endless (Sandman is the one DC book I've engaged with before)

>>149506231
First, it's important to note that Gaiman's work is most popular with people who don't like capeshit. When it appears in mainline DC stuff it's just an attempt to lure those Gaimanfags to capeshit.

DC has used the New Gods as a deus ex machina to start and end big events since the 70s, and unlike The Celestials, they have personalities and pretty understandable goals. Now there have been many missteps, but it's been firly established for a while that Earth is the "fifth world" that eventually replaces the New Gods, making their meddling and focus on Earth also logical.

>>149471126 (OP)
two minus three equals negative fun

>>149506386
Why are they called "New Gods" at all, like what is their cosmic significance to be called that instead of, say, Kryptonians or even Martians? And also, if theirs is the Fourth World and Earth is the fifth, then what are the three before?

>>149506543
They're the "New Gods" because they are literally the new gods. In the opening of the first issue of Kirby's New Gods, the "Third World" gods die in what is clearly Ragnarok. The New Gods are born to replace them.

>>149506543
Meta-reason: Because Kirby did Thor at Marvel and he wanted to work in Ragnarok somehow.

In-Universe: The Old Gods of the Third World died in their epic final battle and their planet split, creating New Genesis, Apokalips, and the New Gods.
The details of the First and Second worlds are less well-defined. A difference between the Old/New Gods and other pantheons is that they are definitively avatars/parts of higher-level multiversal entities.

now tell him how the New Gods compare in face of Barbatos or Perpetua or other Scott Snyder kino

"There came a time when the old gods died!" is such a badass opening line.

>>149506679
"No."

>>149502039
And yet are after dinner mints for TOAA

>>149471764
>without independant will, you might as well just be a robot
Ok but why not just make an army of robots then? Anti-life is not death or being undead, it's life you have absolute control over, to the point they're not really "living" anymore. Whatever you control with anti-life will still be alive, you're just in charge of everything. Sounds like you could just build an army of robots/clones/monsters and conquer the universe just the same but with less micro-managing. If the idea is that anti-life would never oppose your will, what good is conquering the universe if there will be no one left to rebel from time to time?

>>149471764
>Its just omniversal mind control
Okay.
Cool I guess?
The thread of logic linking 'anti-life equation' to that power is a bit of a stretch though.
Comes off as over-compensatory, like the writers were trying to make it seem more grandiose than it actually is.

>>149506906
>Comes off as over-compensatory, like the writers were trying to make it seem more grandiose than it actually is.
welcome to comic books, enjoy

>>149506793
Because tyrants don't want to take over for reasons of practicality, they want to take over because they desire subjugation. Without that there's nothing in it for them.

>>149507282
Yeah but you get to subjugate the entire universe instantly. There's nothing left to conquer, no one left to challenge your reign. What are they supposed to to forever after?

>>149507946
In Darkseid's case, it's to reflect on if it was worth it.
Also there are quite a few beings randomly immune to Anti-Life.