Thread 149471759

This week, DC Comics will state that, in the history of the DC Universe, there never was a Justice League Of America. There was only the Justice League.

The team known as the Justice League of America first appeared in The Brave and the Bold #28 in 1960 published by DC Comics, conceived of by Gardner Fox as a Silver Age revival of the Golden Age Justice Society of America from the 1940s, teaming up the biggest DC Comics names from their own titles, initially Superman, Batman, Aquaman, the Flash, Green Lantern, the Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman.

In 1986, DC Comics created a new Justice League title and name, dropping the "of America" and later adding International, creating Justice League International. It then split into two books, Justice League Of America and Justice League Europe. In 1997, the book was relaunched under the initials JLA for the first time, returning to Justice League of America in 2006. It has facilitated between the titles ever since.

The DC New 52 rebooted DC Comics and gave us a Justice League but also a Justice League Of America simultaneously, with the Zack Snyder movie named Justice League. Recently, the series was relaunched as Justice League International. But this week's New DC Universe History tackled the period of time in the DC Universe covered by the Silver Age, and reveals that there never was a Justice League of America. It was always the Justice League from the very beginning now. And "of America" has been excised from DC Comics history. The New History Of The DC Universe #2 by Mark Waid, Brad Walker and Michael Allred is published this Wednesday from DC Comics. And it's not the only big change to Justice League history about to be established…

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-comics-now-states-that-there-never-was-a-justice-league-of-america/

I have a bad feeling about this. I think the history of DC is about to become a convoluted mess yet again. *cringe* here we go again

Why am I meant to be outraged exactly? The JL sounds like it covers the planet or galaxy. The JLA sounds small in comparison, like a regional alliance or sports league. Who cares?

Wooooowwwww I am soooooooooo outraged by this superficial change that in no way matters at all when it comes to me reading and enjoying stories.

But what about these guys?

>>149471759 (OP)
>A pointless change that only nerds super deep into "continuity will care about"
Yawn

>>149471932
They have been put to death unfortunately bc of the woke

>>149471932
They are Justice League International

>>149471967
>Justice League International
If the main League already covers the entire planet, would that make JLI unnecessary?

>>149471932
I always liked the idea that the Justice Society was the first superhero team(with Hypolita as Wonder Woman), active during the 40s and 50s, which gave rise to a more privatized team in the 60s-90s, through Maxwell Lord’s JLI, until eventually the Trinity formed the Justice League in modern day, which splinters into the JLD, JSA, JLA etc., until eventually they all unite into the Justice League Unlimited. It’s a history that formed organically in the comics

>>149471759 (OP)
Rich tried HARD to make this into a "story"

>>149471759 (OP)
someone send this to Jim Cornette, and he will throw a fit over DC being retarded for the millionth time

>>149471986
JLI was a UN operation

>fooling tool shilll keep posting news from rich the leech website.
shame on you OP.

Mark Waid should retire. Thanks for Kingdom Come, Birthright, and maybe his Cap run, but everything he's written since the mid-2000s has been... Not good. And trying to retcon JLA (he literally wrote a book called JLA Year One in 1998, lol) into JL without A is ridiculous.

>>149473888
His current books while only just pretty good to good are still way better than 80% of the other jobbers writing for the big 2.

Is anyone sick of lunatic leftists having a meltdown any time a democrat isnt in office?

>>149473888
This man is doing an Infinity War level event with Gorrilla Grodd as Thanos, and somehow it hasn’t spun out of control. I say let this man cook. He’s a valuable member to have in your writer’s room. But I’ll admit, Dan Mora has a talent for elevating anything he’s on

>>149471922
>>149471929
These

Who the fuck cares? kek

>>149471759 (OP)
Sorry, I'm just not gonna respect your retcons. I know, ugh, I KNOW. I'm just not gonna do it, that's all HA HA

>>149474920
>>149471922
>>149471929
>I don’t care so you can’t care either!

>>149474902
Dude shut the fuck up. While I myself am buying we are yesterday it’s a toothless, meaningless little romp. Is it bad? No. But it’s not exactly a major or historic moment. It’s just perfectly serviceable.

Outside of that the JLU run sucked up until it and worlds finest hadn’t been good since the first arc.

>>149474946
Why does it matter at all?

>>149475039
Simple, because I passionately care about the characters and the history of the company. Not using the name now? Sure go ahead and continue as they have not using it. Rewriting the past to remove the “America” from 60 years of comics? Thats retarded and only serves seething perpetually online leftists mad about Le orange man.

Why does it need to be explained to you? How is this such a foreign concept to you?

>>149471759 (OP)
The most annoying part of this is it’s done by and for whiny annoying faggots who hate America and yet they’ll act like anyone who gets annoyed by it is the whiny one.

>>149474946
I get that it's a political cudgel that gets your blood flowing but it's truly nbd. The America thing just makes it seem small, something you probably understand but can't admit. 65 years ago not so much, Wow- ALL of America? Gee wiz! But the scope and audience has changed, these are global heros, space heros, traversing solar systems saving planets etc. And anyway what possible in sorry ramifications would this have that would trigger you? It's not like they took thier orders from the President of The United States of America every issue, or sat at thier round table to discuss patriotism and how to make America a better place for Americans in America. They're nearly gods, in some cases are. It's fine, you're not a victim here, find a new inconsequential thing to make your personality for a week.

>>149475126
>>149475149
Yeah you don't sound whiny as at all. It's the imaginary leftists calling you that who are wrong.

>>149475158
Kek, fucking nailed it. The 'of America' thing never really made sense to me when they were always saving the entire world, had no real connections to the American government, were in space a good chunk of the time saving random ass planets, and so on.

This is the most 'who cares?' retcon.

>>149475126
>I’m passionate

You’re a nerd who obsesses over frivolous details and then rages about it like a child.
>Muh trump
And now you’re making it an identity politics bait, great job melting down over stupid shit once again

>>149475149
Whiny annoying faggots destroy society. People will vote for totalitarians to watch them seethe.

>>149471759 (OP)
>There Never Was A Justice League Of America
What is that exactly supposed to mean?
That the difference between JLA and JL never really mattered, and they're basically interchangeable?
That they're retconning all the JLA comics and any comics that mentions the JLA to just be the JL?
That they're denying to ever have printed any comics with the Justice League of America name?

>>149475181
Are you imaginary in your own mind? What a retarded post lacking self-awareness.

And then DC execs wonder why their comics sell fewer copies each year and why they're losing not only to Marvel, but also to Image. And all of this is happening in an already declining industry btw.
I just hope that in 2035, when Superman and Batman enter the public domain, DC goes bankrupt and disappears from the face of the Earth, desu. And then, fans will b3 able to create better stories and plots with these IPs than the hacks at DC Comics write now. Hell, by that time even AIs will be better writers and artists than modern DC's.

>>149475285
>>149475330
Keep going. You're doing great, young patriot.

>>149475203
Why are you here?

>>149475181
>literally no u
You’re on /co/ policing threads so nobody engages in dissenting opinions.

>>149472103
The writer don't care about any of that, so they're gonna make more convoluted retcons

>>149475223
Unironically yes. Being unwilling to admit that culture wars are a big facet in voters turning out and others staying home is a fatal flaw in the democrat party.

>>149475255
>What is that exactly supposed to mean?
America bad because Trump bad, therefore Justice League was never Justice League of America, let's just throw all the Silver/Golden Age comics away and forget the very roots of this team.
What's funny is that it's done by Mark Waid, the hypocrite who always seethes so much when someone dares to slightly retcon some C-lister's background, but when he destroys the entire origin of the team, it's totally OK now. Although he already did the same thing to LoSH, and not even once, but twice!

>>149474982
Are you joking? World’s Finest has been great. Zero misses so far. Waid is a master at delivering fun, epic scaled blockbusters. The only downside is that he seems to be on an extremely tight schedule, so his storylines are often too brief. But it’s understandable, cause it seems like they’re building up to a massive event

>>149475203
I’d argue the faggots removing America from the history of the JLA name are the ones who made it about identity politics, specifically when the writer behind it tweeted that he didn’t think he’d be capable of writing superhero stories after trump won.

>>149475406
Oh my God it’s removing one word from the team’s name. Get a fucking live.

>>149475412
So are you a bot or a shill? Maybe that zesty nigga with the tank top and ashy skin?

>>149475126
/tg/ here. Bro, I feel that feel.

>there have always been female custodes

>>149475429
How many more times are you going to use the "T" word, because it's a lot now and your so-called whiny liberal detractors who you're accusing of doing so have yet to actually do so. Who really has the TDS here?

>>149475436
>people aren’t allowed to complain about this!!!
Ironically you could just close the thread and go outside

>>149475436
>Get a fucking live.
lol

>>149475400
>democrat party
Boomer detected. Get off of 4chan old man.

>>149475462
I’d say the 50-something year old man who said he couldn’t do his job properly after losing faith in humanity when trump won is probably the one with TDS, but im sure you disagree lol

>>149475429
It’s not even the first time they’ve only been called Justice League.

'America' has always been the brand. No wonder these cucks can't sell a thing anymore.

>>149475479
>only boomers refer to political parties
???

>>149475436
Then you'll be OK when they change the name of the Justice League to the Justice Gang because that's what it's called in the recent movies. Then they'll rename Superman into Superperson and Batman into Batperson, because everyone can be Super-someone or Bat-someone and because we need more agenderous/polygenderous/non-binary characters, and you'll still defend it.
Just fuck off already.

>>149475465
Oh you can complain about it. And people can then call you a sad pathetic manbaby for it. Because it’s an apt description of you.

>>149475491
Nobody said it was. My second post was literally: >>149475126
>Not using the name now? Sure go ahead and continue as they have not using it.

>>149475488
So at least one more

>>149475436
Oh my god it’s just posts on the internet you disagree with. Get alive.

Good. An americentric team just screams of Trump style ultra nationalism and racism

>>149475524
Yeah I wouldn’t lose sleep over names changing. Because that’s normal part of comics. Things change and are updated all the time. I am an adult who doesn’t throw a hissyfit every time something slightly changes. Unlike you.

>>149475524
>A recurring goof in the movie played for laughs
THIS IS THE AMERICA YOU WANTED - HAPPY NOW LIBS???

>>149475529
>people who care about comics are manbabies
Then why are you here?

>For six decades there has been a Justice League of America. From now, those six decades are a rumor. They never happened.
>Today is history.

>>149475565
No instead you’re throwing a hissyfit over people throwing a hissyfit. Totally not autistic behavior.

>>149475574
Currently? To ridicule people like you. You need to grow up.

>>149475588
You genuinely think that’s mature? That it’s what a well-adjusted person does?

>>149475579
So you’re just going to ignore how they already did this once in the 80s? Typical. And the 00s cartoon just had them be Justice League.

>>149475588
I’d argue the person spending their Sunday afternoon telling people what they can and can not care about on the comics board of 4chan probably needs to grow up lol

>>149475587
>I’m not mad, YOU are!!

LMAO whatever you say, little buddy.

>>149475607
Yes. Ridi

>>149475638
I didn’t say I wasn’t mad. I clearly am and have admitted as much. I would assume someone who’s so grown up and mature can read.

>>149475629
Again, you can do whatever you like. And I get to laugh and mock you for acting like a baby as I kill time.

>>149475658
You need to grow up anon.

>>149475448
I don’t know what you’re talking about, nor do I give a fuck about your boomer political views about muh Democrat and Republican Party. News flash, old man, they’re all blood sucking pedos. Mark Waid has not missed. That’s my opinion. I never pick up the overtly woke shit, like the John Kent stuff, cause it’s not interesting, and frankly it’s cringe that they made Superman’s son gay. But I don’t blow a casket about it, I just don’t buy it. It’ll go away on its own

>>149475687
>>149475412
Based positivity poster

>>149471759 (OP)
I don't really give a shit.
These new writers obviously hate America and want to engage in historical revisionism, well I say let em, it'll only drive sales further down and bring them closer to bankruptcy.
These comics stopped being good half a century ago, the best thing for them is to die

>>149475687
When did anyone saying anything positive about a single republican itt?

>>149471986
its like the the People's Front of Judea, the Judean People's Front and the Campaign for a Free Galilee.

>>149475412
The anon you replied to, here, and no Im not joking. Like I said I picked both books up in my pull for we are yesterday but it’s in no way a classic event or anything just a serviceable reading experience that I’ve enjoyed.

And no Im not joking I dropped WF just before the Magog arc and probably should have a few issues earlier. Never had JLU on my pull but read the first few online and kinda hated it.

How is that not historical revisionism on the DC's/Waid's part?
I mean, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be happy if the Holocaust were renamed "the Resettlement of Jewish People into a Better World" or something like that. How is removing America from the Justice League of America any better than that? I don't mind the team being called simply the Justice League now as they operate as a global group, but its origins were in America. They were all based in America. They fought for America and against the enemies of America and its people. Now, suddenly, it never actually happened, now 2+2=5, and if you even dare to doubt it, you're a bigot and probably a racist and fascist MAGA chud, because even mentioning America anywhere near the Justice League is haram now.

I'm so fucking tired of this shit. Why can't Mark Waid just focus on writing comics without bringing his dumb political agenda to already established franchises? If he wants to write political comics, fine. Do what Moore or Miller did after their careers in Big 2 came to an end: write indie comics and publish them yourself. If you want to push your neoliberal message there, fine, whatever. Maybe someone will even buy and enjoy it, just like someone probably enjoyed Miller's Holy Terror. But please, stop ruining the characters we grew up with, for fuck's sake!

JL could still focus mainly on USA or North America while JLI still existed as some sort of larger organization combining various local global superhero teams like Justice leauge europe.
It would be fun if they showed some international superheroes more desu, It does not make sense lore wise that most heroes would exist in USA

>>149475941
>How is that not historical revisionism on the DC's/Waid's part?
>I mean, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be happy if the Holocaust were renamed "the Resettlement of Jewish People into a Better World" or something like that. How is removing America from the Justice League of America any better than that?

You're cooking with fire now chef, keep going!

>>149475941
This. It’s a move done from a certain perspective and so if you disagree with it or think it’s dumb you’re automatically pigeonholed as the opposite and denied any form of objectivity.

>>149471759 (OP)
DC died today. It's now Corpocuck Comics
>>149475452
What's happening with Games Workshop right now is also fucking unreal

>>149476153
>Corpocuck
This. All this anti-nationalism and "decolonization" rhetoric is just propaganda against the white middle class, the only group enforcing worker rights. Once they're gone the top 1% can use America's geography for maximum profit while importing Mexican and Indian crypto-slaves.

>>149475707
Golden and silver age is where my love goes. I will take them over modern day comics any given day.

>>149471759 (OP)
Mark Waid is such a petulant insufferable faggot

>>149471759 (OP)
DC's attempts to clean up continuity always lead to more confusion

>>149476675
>the white GOP voting middle class champions workers rights
this is your brain on trump brainrot

>>149475524
>Then you'll be OK when they change the name of the Justice League to the Justice Gang because that's what it's called in the recent movies.
Cute strawman argument. Do you read comics? Justice Gang's lineup looks more like the Justice Society than the Justice League. Aside from being a joke name, they might be setting up some villains calling themselves the "injustice gang" in a couple movies from now. Now go read something, jesus.

>>149471759 (OP)
Those woke writers and editors sure are salty about USA

>>149471759 (OP)
Fuck DC.

>>149475412
>World’s Finest has been great.
Are you joking? It's a snoozefest.

Truth, justice and the HUMAN way! ;)

Mark Waid previously retconned Wally West from a Mid-Western conservative to a center-left do-gooder in the 1990s, so changing the Justice League from an initially American-rooted superhero team to a globalist movement with its own agenda is merely a minor adjustment in comparison. Besides, he wouldn't have done it without direct approval from Lee, Javins, and the editors of this book because, despite his experience and value to the company, he's not the main guy behind all the universe stuff. There are editors who tie it all together and are responsible for making it make sense to readers. If editorial is OK with JLA losing its A, it's also their fault, not just Waid's.
If we want to preserve the historical legacy of DC comics and storylines, I believe we need to boycott this title for the remaining 3(?) issues. Perhaps we should also boycott the JLU book for a while. I don't think boycotting other Waid's titles or all DC books altogether will make them react, but if they realize that their Justice League is failing for some reason, they'll have to make some changes and correct their mistakes. Or maybe it's naive to think like that, after all, they still haven't de-aged Jon. But it's worth a try, that's what I believe.

>>149480159
Just because a faggot like Waid did it doesn't mean is good

>>149480159
Messner-Loeb is the one who gave Wally development from a shithead conservative douchebag to a normal person that a woman would want to date for longer than two weeks.

>>149480899
Shut up

>>149481079
Why? Women don’t want to date conservative men. Even conservative women are hesitant.

>>149471922
>>149471929
>>149471938
>((()))

>>149480159
they're not gonna care lmao

>>149481153
Get a life
>>>/pol/

>>149480899
Why do libs always blame USA for everything?

Like at least 8 of the characters in the OP are either foreign dignitaries/officials or wouldn't qualify for US citizenship.

>>149481845
>Martian Manhunter
>Wonder Woman
>Aquaman
>Hawkman
Who are the rest?

>>149481899
Superman, Red Tornado, and Zatanna are all not human. GL's a space cop.

I guess Firestorm sorta too, but that wasn't my intention.

>>149481845
Cute but not even remotely true.

>>149481899
Aquaman is a US citizen

>>149482174
Superman is a US citizen.
Hal is a US citizen.
Zatanna is a US citizen

>>149482174
Bro Zatanna is human and also american

>>149475941
This anon gets it

>>149481845
>>149482174
Retard

>>149471932
They look cool. I love the art.

>>149475941
So it was akin to holocaust revisionism when DeMatteis and Giffen changed the name to just Justice League post-Crisis? And then changed it to JLI? And then Justice League Europe? And Justice League Extreme? And Justice League Task Force?

>and if you even dare to doubt it, you're a bigot and probably a racist and fascist MAGA chud

This is your brain on /pol/

>>149482390
>Bro Zatanna is human
No, she isn't.
>and also american
Because she conceals her species.
>Superman is a US citizen.
Conceals species. As a matter of law, non-humans don't have rights, including citizenship.
>Hal is a US citizen.
Didn't say he wasn't. I said he works for a foreign government, which he does.
>>149482390
See above
>>149483512
See above

I bet you most of the people itt who are pissy about this change aren't even American, kek.

>>149484291
Piss off Waid, you are a faggot.

>>149484342
And? Why would that matter?

>>149484561
Point is, morons want to get offended over dumb shit actual Americans don't give a fuck about.

You don't need to get offended on my behalf.

>>149471759 (OP)
I am OK with them dropping it in modern titles, because it never really felt right. But rewriting the history to omit it when that was the name for so long feels mean spirited.

>>149484477
>O-oh y-yeah? W-well y-y-you’re gay!

>>149484678
>faggot behavior

>>149484647
>Implying anons that are angry at this are angry in behalf of others, specially americans

>>149484951
>Faggot mindset

>>149471759 (OP)
>DC Comics Now Says That There Never Was A Justice League Of America
But they're Americans?

>>149484561
t.Ian Miles Anong

bump

>>149484975
I mean, they probably are.

You could pick out any American in a crowd or any DC fan at a convention or something and next to none of them are going to care about something so banal.

>>149487822
Kek

>>149471932
What about them, yo?

>>149471759 (OP)
I don't get it.

It's a dumb revisionism

>>149484323
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>The character is depicted as a renowned sorceress belonging to the fictional Homo magi race, a subset of humans endowed with innate potential to manipulate magic.
>She is also the daughter of Giovanni Zatara and Sindella, the former a renowned stage magician and sorcerer whom she models herself after and the latter whose lineage connects her to the royal line of Atlantis.

>>149471759 (OP)
>It has facilitated between
lel

>>149490939
Homo magi are still humans you retard. Do you think homo superior aren't humans either?

>>149490806
Awwwwww did anon just discover retcons?

>>149491188
i just posted it for clairification
you can spend all day figuring it out yourself mr. genetics faggot

>>149491232
It's a dumb retcon you shill