>Casts Booster Gold
>"Actually time travel is fucking gay and stupid"

Come the fuck on.

I like Gunn's work a lot but give me LoSH already.

Also time travel stories can be great. Look at Back to the Future and a good chunk of Star Trek episodes/movies.

>>149474813 (OP)
that teleportation comment should tell you he is being deeply sarcastic. Time travel stories are incredibly difficult if you want to establish a consistent narrative.

>>149474813 (OP)
>>Casts Booster Gold
he did? though, like >>149474856 points out, time travel stories can just get very wonky. booster might just not be involved in a direct time travel story as much as it is a part of his backstory. no time travel as a whole gets rid of guys like reverse flash too, so he might just mean that he doesn't want to really delve into stories about it but might at least keep its existence in the background

>>149474856
>that teleportation comment should tell you he is being deeply sarcastic.
No, it means that he took all those Star Trek debates about the transporter seriously.

>>149474813 (OP)
You can do plenty with Booster without time travel ever being important aspect of the story. That’s how majority of his stories are, it’s about him being a vain gloryhog. It’s only been since 52 onwards under Johns’ direction that time travel became a central aspect of Booster stories, and as we all know those haven’t been particularly successful stories outside of the comedic ones where Booster has to deal with accidentally changing time and having to reverse it.

With Legion, unless it’s entirely set in the future, time travel is far more overtly tied to their story and gimmick as an IP.

>>149474913
>and as we all know those haven’t been particularly successful stories outside of the comedic ones where Booster has to deal with accidentally changing time and having to reverse it.
I did like the Johns book though. Super underrated title.
>With Legion, unless it’s entirely set in the future, time travel is far more overtly tied to their story and gimmick as an IP.
Tbf, LoSH isn't really all that different from Booster Gold. It's mostly just set in the future outside of when they go back in time to get Superman/Supergirl/Superboy and Time Trapper shenanigans.

People are still going out of their way to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, why?

>>149474955
Yeah but Legion is something you can’t sell on its own these days even in comics, any use of them would have to be tied to Superman movie. And that’s where time travel is intrinsically linked to using them, unless you make Superman go to the future for the entire movie.

He's a total casual when it comes to comic books, why did he ever get the rep of being the "comic book guy"?

I’m gonna crash out on him what the fuck

>>149475021
>Yeah but Legion is something you can’t sell on its own these days even in comics, any use of them would have to be tied to Superman movie. And that’s where time travel is intrinsically linked to using them, unless you make Superman go to the future for the entire movie.
The way I would do it is just have Superman acting as Superboy when he was a kid and meeting the Legion then, going to the future briefly a few times, and then the Legion mostly agree to not interfere with the timeline afterward. Should be easy enough without fucking with the canon afterward.

Also Gunn adapts stuff that people barely read all the time. He loves more obscure shit.

>>149475028
It's hard to take his supposed comic fan credentials seriously when he's championing Tom King and uplifting his bad comics.

>>149474888
they announced a show on HBO but haven't announced a casting yet afaik

>>149474813 (OP)
Time travel stories more times than not tend to be terrible.

>>149475069
He took one plot point from Birthright and made it worse, he has terrible instincts as a storyteller.

>>149474813 (OP)
What a fucking useless pseud.

indian thread.

You have to admit time travel is a huge can of worms in a narrative. You can have Booster Gold, but have him stranded in the modern era

>>149475260
That’s exactly how it worked for Booster originally. That’s why he had that awful bulky armour in the 90s after Doomsday wrecked the entire league, he couldn’t go back to the future to steal technology to fix his shit and had to resort to Beetle’s help.

>>149475385
So yeah, what's the issue then? I can understand wanting to see the LoSH but that can turn into a whole mess really fast.

>>149474888
They want the Paki guy from Eternals and Ghostbusters

>Person just talking about shit.
>Taken out of context.
>Turned into clickbait.
>Endlessly speculated about and reposted.
You could talk about literally anything else.

It would piss me off even worse if instead of Krypton just being fascist everyone else there was chill but the Els are inexplicably evil. It honestly reads like he didn't even think about it.

>>149474813 (OP)
Having one guy be in charge of the whole thing seems risky. He should’ve assembled a team of writers to plan this shit out, including some respected comics writers who know the universe inside and out as consultants

>>149475927
>including some respected comics writers who know the universe inside and out as consultants
He's got Tom King, so I'm sure it'll all be fine.

>>149475777
isn't Supergirl usually older than Superman?

>>149474856
>Time travel stories are incredibly difficult if you want to establish a consistent narrative.
They're not, just watch Primer (the movie) and learn how time travel (actually, space-time travel) works. It's not the most complex physical concept in the world. It's definitely less complex than e.g. alternate universes, or black holes, or infinity.

>>149476073
Yes, including in the story the Supergirl movie is specifically based on.

>>149476111
>They're not, just watch Primer (the movie) and learn how time travel (actually, space-time travel) works.
You're making the same mistake Gunn is making by acting like time travel in a comic book story has to be logical and consistent.
>It's not the most complex physical concept in the world.
You know it's not real, right? Assuming that it has to obey laws of causality has no real justification.

>>149475777
> younger than him
Uh I guess they’re doing the Argo city survived origin?

>>149476258
>You're making the same mistake Gunn is making by acting like time travel in a comic book story has to be logical and consistent.
It doesn't have to be logical or consistent; it just has to be convincing enough to excite and satisfy viewers. Nolan got it right in Interstellar without delving too deeply into the physical aspects ("just let him travel through the black holes, duh"). Baran Bo Odar did the same (plus alternate universes) in DARK, without making it too realistic and hard to comprehend. Basically, time travel just happened, and then things slowly started to change. Even in Primer, multiple formulas aren't thrown at the viewer, it's just a basic "what if..." story about traveling to the past.
>You know it's not real, right? Assuming that it has to obey laws of causality has no real justification.
Spacetime travel is actually quite real. We do it every day when we go to work and back, or even when we go from one room to another and spend 10 seconds to do that. We just can't travel back in time, at least not in the way we understand it, because our purely biological perception of time is slightly different from what time actually is.

>>149474813 (OP)
I agree, although maybe not for the same reasons. Time travel can be done well, like Back to the Future, when the stakes are high. The problem is, 98% of the time, time travel is used in ways that lower the stakes and give people do overs, so it acts a deus ex machina. So I'm generally opposed to its use because I know the odds are that it will make everything meaningless. The same goes for multiverse BS. Stakes killing 98% of the time.

>>149474813 (OP)
I always thought that the idea that Superman spent his entire youth being whisked away to the future every weekend to be worshipped by his sycophants, who all have names like Quantum Lad, to be pretty weird.

>>149474813 (OP)
>I don't like it, it's not for me
so he's doing a cinematic universe for him? everything has to fall under what he personally likes?

>>149475777
not really
>superman get birth shit parents and good earth parents
>supegirl get good birth parents yet she still a mess of a person

>>149476787
>worshipped by his sycophants
He did get hazed as well.

>>149474813 (OP)
Time travel is Booster Gold's BACKSTORY, his origin. You don't need it to tell stories with the character, which is presumably more what Gunn means.

>>149474856
how many excuses can you make for him

Just getting madder and madder thinking about this. Overcomplicating something simple

>>149474856
>Time travel stories are incredibly difficult if you want to establish a consistent narrative.
No. Fuck that bullshit. Time travel stories are incredibly simple if you don't get fancy with them. Writers are just fucking idiots that want to do their own thing rather than go with one of the 3 simple, self-consistent, time travel systems. You can do fancier fucking shit, but they almost always fuck it up trying.

You want consistent time travel you either have it so
>A time traveler going back to the past can't change the past because it's a stable time loop and they already traveled to the past in the first place
>A time traveler going back to the past completely overwrites the timeline with one where they appeared in the past with no way to get back to a familiar future, potentially including the time traveler coexisting with their past self if they don't possess them or prevent their birth or see them dead
or
>A time traveler going back to the past forks the timeline with one where they appeared in the past with the only way to travel to their old timeline now being interdimensional travel to some point when or after they left.

It's just that fucking simple but every fucking time writers fuck it up.

>>149474832
if you want a vaguely shitty legion movie you can just watch that tomorrowverse one

>>149476787
>I always thought that the idea that Superman spent his entire youth being whisked away to the future every weekend to be worshipped by his sycophants, who all have names like Quantum Lad, to be pretty weird.
Same. A huge part of the Superman mythos is based on growing up in a sheltered small town with parents who taught him his moral code, and then learning to adapt that to a big city and then the world. Having him mixed up in LoSH stuff is like adding in that, before finding the droids, young Luke Skywalker spent several years roaming the galaxy with freedom fighters and having huge adventures. It effectively breaks the character arc.

>>149474813 (OP)
>which I think of as the person dying and being recreated
I didn't know James Gunn was a simple country doctor.

>>149477478
>A huge part of the Superman mythos is based on growing up in a sheltered small town with parents who taught him his moral code
You're forgetting about the Adventures of Superman when he was a boy.

>>149475028
>inspired by Birthright but without the reveal that Lex faked the whole thing
>Waid has been hoping after watching the movie that the message was faked
Waid might actually kill Gunn.

>>149474813 (OP)
How many times does a Legion of Superheroes attempt have to fail and fail again and fail again before people eventually come to the conclusion that it either doesn't work or not nearly enough people care about the concept to bother with it?

>>149474856
>that teleportation comment should tell you he is being deeply sarcastic
No It's not, I've seen millennials Unironically discuss this as a topic referring to the teleporting in star trek

>>149477992
It wasn't for any serious story reason, he just wanted to make the harem jokes. James Gunn is a 57 year old man, near the end of his life and this is what he believes to be funny.

>>149474813 (OP)
it's really really easy to make Booster some wannabe that whips up a superhero identity. He doesn't have to be from the future or anything.

>>149474813 (OP)
The worst thing is that Gunn can only do the rag tag group formula and nothing else

>>149475028
Simple. Guy does these "deep cuts" that are not that deep and not that interesting, but people eat it up cause "Oh he knows the C-D List characters and makes them 'interesting'"

Yet you only need to watch Creature Commandos where it's basically making a bunch of "monster" characters into his typical "Gunn team" with nothing interesting to add to the characters.

His Frankenstein is probably the most hilarious showing of his ass. The comic one was Frakenstein deciding to be better than his creator, a gentleman hero etc and Gunn's big idea was to hyperfocus on the monster wanting a bride in the original tale to make him an incel because that's clever too his mind.

It's goddamn damning that the CW did a more interesting reinterpretation of Adrian Chase's themes than he did and that the Venture Bros pastiches of superheroes and pulp fiction are more interesting examinations of a character/team and their themes.

>>149477380
Also, and this is important. The Legion are in the goddamn 31st century, where actions in the 20th/21st are barely remembered and the whole thing of Hypertime in DC is a thing.

>>149478195
>his typical "Gunn team"
Yeah, it was pretty obvious when he did the Yondu arrow sceen with Mister Terrific. Metamorpho was just misunderstood nice guy like polka dot man in SS2

>>149477669
>You're forgetting about the Adventures of Superman when he was a boy.
Even that really saps a lot of the magic from the character. He shouldn't put on the outfit and be Superman until he goes out into the world. You can defend the Superboy concept, but it's just another bit of lore baggage that makes it all a bit too silly, in the bad way. For the record I'm against Krypto and Kandor and all that crap too.

>>149478325
>For the record I'm against Krypto and Kandor and all that crap too.
At that point Superman is just "generic flying man."

>>149478195
>Hypertime
Hypertime was a plot devise created to excuse continuity errors. It's Doctor Who-tier nonsense and cancerous to good writing. Touting that shit as anything but a patch over plotholes that never should have existed is ridiculous.

STOP OVERCOMPLICATING TIME TRAVEL!!!

>>149477380
I like Planetary's version where a time machine can never travel further back than the point where time travel was invented. Nothing to add, I just like that.

>>149477992
#GonnaLeaveAMark

>>149477380
>No. Fuck that bullshit. Time travel stories are incredibly simple if you don't get fancy with them. Writers are just fucking idiots that want to do their own thing

You're outlining exactly why it can't work. Time travel gets complicated the moment something interesting happens.
It takes too much power for writers to avoid titillating possibilities that are 1 step away in the name of logical consistency.

Relevant plague of gripes video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXnLxvtUgCs

>>149478195
>The Legion are in the goddamn 31st century, where actions in the 20th/21st are barely remembered
That's a pointless consideration. With good time travel writing either you can't change the past or you can only go to a future where you disappeared when you travel forward in time and time clone yourself when you travel backward in time.

The Legion can't hang out with Superboy and have it make sense in the latter case unless they have no fucking idea who he is, which would defeat the point of their inception, so realistically they should be operating with can't change the past rules.

>>149478851
>Time travel gets complicated the moment something interesting happens.
You can do complicated/interesting shit with simple rules. Nested/overlapping timeloops are a mindfuck, forking timelines can generate a multiverse, and even overwriting timelines can generate a ton of time clone shenanigans. As an example, DBZ time travel is logically consistent and follows simple forking timeline rules.
>It takes too much power for writers to avoid titillating possibilities that are 1 step away in the name of logical consistency.
Writers sucking ass is the fault of writers, not time travel.

>>149478195
>>149478286
They are only deep cuts because plebs on /co don't know the characters or they aren't common characters.

He also does nothing to make people care about the characters. I knew nothing about the GotG and know even less today because nothing he did got me interested in them, whereas at least Sony got me to look at some Spider-Man books and to read some Spider-Man.

As for his DC stuff, I already knew about Vigilante before the TV show and while I find it entertaining, that has more to do with Freddie being a talent, than anything else. Peacemaker himself is boring, despite Cena actually being able to act - unlike Dwayne. I prefer Charlton or even Multiversity Peacemaker to what we've gotten from Gunn.

Likewise, any other 'deep cut' shit Gunn has intro, I could care less about as a DC fan or I prefer my comic interpretation and knowledge (Starro is a perfect example of this) to what Gunn shat out on film.

>>149478851
The Z portion of this chart is fucked. Z only has 4 timelines and we only see 3 of them. Main Future Trunks doesn't return to the timeline main Cell came from. A Cell from the original timeline already existed in his own past.