It's so over

>>149483673
>>149483690
>Working for "exposure"
Nothing good ever comes from that.

Oof that was never a friend to begin with.

Oh no no no no no

Isn't it possible to sue over this?

I love AI, and I approve AI replacing this thing

Best of luck to Alice's friend, whoever she is.

It sounds like she didn't finish the graphic novel so the other lady just used AI to finish it? Is that right? It sounds like she's coping a little.

I did EIGHTY doodles! 80 SCRIBBLES

>>149483812
>>149483824
It wasn’t her story. She offered to work for free. She hadn’t even talked to the other woman in over ten years. I don’t anything wrong here.

>>149483662 (OP)
Will /co/ side with the artist or AI? Let's find out now!

It makes me happy knowing that anyone joking about this are just as likely to have their jobs replaced as her, at least everyone will be miserable and jobless together

>>149483863
Could have atleast lead with "hey, any chance of us working together on it again?"

>>149483878
Well, the artist is wrong in this situation, whether the lady used AI or not. They hadn't spoken in ten years about this.

>>149483857
>Is that right?
they were working on the project together, but the lady decided to finish it by herself without warning

I hope her "friend" recognizes her art style and cuts her off completely.

>>149483879
Damn, this artist is a bitch.

>>149483880
Is not going to remplace you, you Crybaby.

No AI will ever remplace human work.

>>149483923
My friend wanted to realise her story and found a convenient tool that was able to do the job in a seemengly sufficient way, woe is me

>>149483880
Hey retard. This lady probably wasn't all that interested in having this kid she met ten years ago who doodled some shit for her graphic novel that was in publishing hell for a decade anymore and that's fine? This kid didn't lose a job. She wasn't "replaced". She never had a job. She drew some shit for someone, and they decided to use something else for the project. The quality of the project is immaterial here. The artist is being a bitch making this a public spectacle because they felt entitled to be the one to depict someone else's project. Get fucked.

>>149483662 (OP)
>Moral of the Story:
NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR FREE. FUCK exposure, unless you’re doing with friend or fellow artists that you know.
And please, for the love of god, avoid these LinkedIn cunts who send those garbage dms asking for your help then on their project for exposure
Fuck LinkedIn, it’s such a goddamn cesspool

>>149483961
Nothing will happen, there was no legal agreement on anything.
Hell, seems there was barely an informal agreement.

>>149483956
>Hey retard. This lady probably wasn't all that interested in having this kid she met ten years ago who doodled some shit for her graphic novel that was in publishing hell for a decade anymore and that's fine? This kid didn't lose a job. She wasn't "replaced". She never had a job. She drew some shit for someone, and they decided to use something else for the project. The quality of the project is immaterial here. The artist is being a bitch making this a public spectacle because they felt entitled to be the one to depict someone else's project. Get fucked.

I hate AI but this seems like a nothing burger. It’s sucks that her friend went and used a robot instead of contacting Alice but she still has a job as an artist so whatever

>>149483816
lol no

>>149483961
>In revenge for this person deciding to do their project how they want to, and despite me being completely unpaid and having no actual stake in the project, will be leaking the storyboards for this commercially available graphic novel on my social media.
Am I really supposed to sympathize with this brat?

End

>>149483991
Lol, couldnt help but end with an ad.

Is ai really that bad bros, in terms of art?

>>149483991
>Ends by begging for money.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.

>>149484014
Nowadays it does really impressive drawings

>>149483991
>Art is just gay Loki fanart
kek

>>149484028
>really impressive
Kek

>>149484020
>>Ends by begging for money.
humans need money to survive
that's why corpos want to replace them with machines

humans are already barely relevant to society

>>149484014
It makes pretty okay goonslop but that's about it.

>>149483880
>My country's laws dictate that you can't go to court without a certified lawyer (no self-representation allowed here)
Kek, "AI wIlL CoMe FoR YOur JoB tOo!!!1" my ass

>>149483961
petty bitch

>>149484045

>Make art for "friend" without payment
>Incentivized to expose art.
>Fail to publish it for years.
>Friend finds alternate way to accomplish her goal, still wants to keep contact.
>Lose interest in friend because she's no longer a promising job opportunity.
>Expect sympathy.

I don't really get this huge callout post culture twitterfags have. There are multiple big artists I've had personal issues with (before they got big of course) but the idea of laying out how they've "wronged me" in public feels really scummy. At most I'll just complain about them anonymously like how one was going to commission me but then just stopped replying after I'd already sent a sketch. Feels good to get that off my chest but I'm not going to say their name or anything else. It's that easy.

>>149484036
lol fujoslop artist

>>149483662 (OP)
Give me a tldr

>>149484146
here:
>>149484095

>>149484061
>lawyers and politicians ensuring you can't replace THEIR jobs
Sound crooked.

SUFFAH ARTISTS

SHOULDN'T HAVE SIMPED FOR BLACKS AND TRANNIES

>>149483816
There was no crime committed here, legally. This is shady af and I feel sorry for her law has no say in the subject.

>>149484045
Your ten year old self sure didn't think this way when drawing your cool and original DBZ character.
I bet you named him Gokku with two Ks.

That was scummy and I feel sorry for her. That being said, I don't see how this is drama worthy. Just learn your lesson and never do shit for free again.

>>149484212
>"learn to code"
Tards love cramming this phrase into the mouths of whoever they happen to be mad at today, but artists were never the group saying this shit.

>>149483950
Treating someone you worked with as a disposable tool even though they were perfectly willing to work for free.
Also it’s likely the movie she made looks like ass

>>149483673
>>149483690
jesus christ some artists are truly cucked

>>149484318
No one involved in this had any obligation to each other. Besides, from what it seems, the friend was willing to stay in contact, so they COULD work together had she not thrown this tantrum.

>>149483662 (OP)
from the comments people are claiming the thing that the friend whose using ai is for this thing called angel engine https://www.tiktok.com/@theunearthlyhub?_t=ZP-8yCfFR5nzQs&_r=1

>>149483673
>no payment
RED FLAG ALERT

This sounds more like a story of a young artist getting exploited without realizing it until it was too late. While there may be some cases you would work for free this definitely crossed the line. A full animated short, an entire storyboard for a graphic novel, and completed sample pages to boot? That is some serious work to be doing for no payment and I assume no formal contract. Should've formalized things if it was at the point that it was winning prizes and getting shown on tv. I suppose inexperience and desperation go hand in hand. AI is just another avenue for exploitation here rather than the core problem. She gave everything for nothing and was treated like it as a result. Screenwriter probably still has no fucking clue what kind of work went into all of that.

>>149483966
I'd even argue that working for free for your friends is also dangerous. But yeah. Definitely run far away from those Linkedin idea guy types.

>>149484369
>t=
Cut that shit out.

>>149483673
Fool me once, shame on you
>>149483690
Fool me twice, can't get fooled again

>>149484399
is there a reason 4chan hates tiktok?

>>149483878
The AI isn't the issue here. She works with some flakey moron that rugpulls her artist efforts but she keeps falling for it. If the director had gotten a difference artist to finally make it, would this comic be about how that other artist is an evil bastard?

>>149484036
Yep, I'm not at all surprised by this.

>>149484284
You haven't met most artists. They're petty as fuck and absolutely look down on others who don't find drawing to be special. I'm so glad that AI wrecked their shit. Maybe now they will be a little nicer and lower their prices.

>>149484704
>t. penniless gooner

>>149483690
>nothing was paid for me
many such cases.
I really appreciate this new storytime format of randos getting rekt and drawing it for all to see

>>149484284
>Look at those stupid janitors and cooks. Robots should take their jobs first!
>Nooooooo! I was suppose to be paid gorillions of dollars for my weird fetish art! Technology is evil!

>>149484704
Why are you on 4chan if you want people to be nice?

>>149484749
Artists love insulting customers. As if that will get back all your lost commissions AI took.

>>149483857
NPC-kun this is still rude behavior even ignoring the AI element entirely.

If someone is using AI in their finished product it was probably going to be shit anyway. This web series was almost certainly going to fail with or without AI.

>>149484923
Keep coping bitch.
>Um ackchyually AI was never good. But my jar of piss is better because it just is ok!

>>149484014
as an artist it is technically harmless, like most people don't want to look at it and it doesn't matter if it gets good or not because normal people want their art to be made by people. there's no point in looking at what a robot does

but if you are someone who wants to grow your audience, get paid, or even find inspiration then ai is fucking cancerous
grow your audience? ai spams every market place and media space available. and fighting it isn't as easy as just being a better artist, with it being easily spammable it means your art is trapped in a sea of slop making growing your audience all the more harder
finding inspiration is harder now for similar reasons
getting paid? it doesn't matter if you are a better artist than ai at all, because companies and their investors WANT to push this technology in hopes of replacing you. investors want to race to the bottom and want to cut corners wherever so if they think they can get away with it they'll hold off on hiring a new artist and just use ai. companies stop growing art teams, freelancers get less calls and if you think you're gonna go the patreon route, well now every artist who was comfortably working in the industry before is now trying to do that too.

basically its a race to the bottom

im coming for your gay drawings bitch

All it took for you guys to celebrate AI replacing artists were bad experiences you had with artists. Now every other artist has to suffer because the ones you experienced were assholes.

Why do I have the suffer for the actions of someone else?

>>149484974
good artists hate ai too fucko

>>149483662 (OP)
I don’t have much sympathy for these people, not because I think AI is the future or anything or at least the way it is now. But more how before AI most of them were wholly unoriginal retards that made mostly generic shit that you could find with half a dozen other artists. Like they all seemed to blend together to the point where AI is more or less the same in level of skill and it won’t go on a self righteous rant or any other shit. People want to advertise the human element in favor of why AI is bad but the human element is exactly what people hate. They hate the ego, they hate the drama, they hate the unprofessional behavior. Mother fuckers are acting like they’re the second coming of Christ while making beanmouth shit and ripping off anime. Why would anyone want to work with that if there is an alternative? Even if it is absolutely ass.

>>149484999
AI is just a tool just like Photoshop is. If you refuse to adapt then you have an IQ level of 60 points.

>>149485019
good artists also hate ai

>>149484861
you only get insulted as a customer if you're a bad customer
maybe the problem is you

>>149484704
Whenever you make these posts it tells me you haven't ever once commissioned anyone about anything, but you've made up a fictionalized version of the process based on memes and discussions about the topic from and outside perspective.

In short, you're a delusional retard.

>>149485036
I never said they didn’t, I’m just pointing out why I and others aren’t sympathetic.

>>149485019
AI has made writing more noticeable with it quirks.
Especially fanfiction.

>>149485030
adapt towards what? do you even like art?

>>149484999
what it made me glad was the fact I could never draw for shit for years I tried and went nowere. Internet artist are arrogant and wont admit is mostly genetic, AI proves this, its all about macro brain structures.

>>149485062
Well most writers nowadays started with fan fic but never progressed out of it. They just either stick with it or make derivatives or expies of their fan fic shit. So in the end it’s still all generative content just by a human.

>>149485051
Okay Celeste.
Still waiting on that PC.

>>149485057
you're just ignoring that good artists exist so you can bend over backwards for ai
do you even like art? why are you on this board?

>>149483690
This dumbass was working for free, how is she surprised she was easily replaced?

>>149485069
Adapt towards efficiency.
If AI can render a picture in 60 seconds then Artists shouldn't take weeks or months to do the same.

>>149485085
you don't read books
you just heard this hearsay and now use it to justify why you don't read books
maybe the issue is you only pay attention to slop

>>149485104
efficiency towards what?
why does art need to be efficient?
isn't it more important for it to be good?
what even makes art good to you?

>>149485088
Why do you feel the need to create a strawman when my words are all right there? I’m not ignoring anything, I pointed out what my issue was with. If you want to act like it’s not true then feel free to argue it. Making shit up or trying to say how I feel isn’t going to do anything but make you look like you’re unable to argue what I said.

>>149485014
is just red

>>149483812
Okay but then who the hell is going to want to spend money on the AI comic either? Looks like they are both never going to make a cent off that shit.

>>149485120
Is this a serious question? When you buy food do you pick the restaurant with the slowest take-out option? Hell, imagine if every Pizza took 10 days to make and cost $1000?

That's called bad business. Yet why should artists get a pass for being slow?
Adapt or get left behind.

ai shills can never tell me what art they like
they can only tell me what they hate
they have no memory of art they liked even when they were kids because they never liked anything. they just want to shill their crap

>>149485108
So no what to argue what I just said and are going straight for ad hominem to get by? This is the shit I’m talking about, the kind of petty and childish behavior.

>>149484999
I don't so much celebrate, I'm more just apathetic.
I'm past the point of caring for the most part, it sucks for you but at the end of the day it's not my problem.

Shift.
Button.
Use it.

>>149483923
...........she's 30 and the only gig she ever had was 80 pages of a comic made for free to someone that decided didn't want her any more?

>>149483662 (OP)
>name is alice
this guy is a troon

>>149485144
>food metaphor
okay i'll bite, when it comes to art you don't pick the slop. you don't pick the fast food crap, you pick the place where the creators give a shit what they make even if it takes long
i guess someone who only eats sludge can only expect to eat it their entire life. never once in your life has waiting been worth it for an addict like you

>aitards are sociopaths
not surprised in the slightest

>>149483812
So what is the likely outcome here? OPs friend gets their sloppa project out, releasing it into the continuously expanding sea of sloppa content, where it goes unnoticed without an actual human audience?
Even small indie animations and comics gets at least some actual viewership

>>149485154
you don't even know what an ad hominin is you illiterate gibbon

>>149485087
Did you genuinely think this was a remotely coherent response?

>>149485150
Do you mean in regard to animation or art ingenuity general? And how would you measure that? Paintings, sculptures, mosaics? What kind of art would you like people to list for you?

So is it like two blows to the personal ego there when one is already working for free, but the employers decided to replace them with even Freer labor instead?

>>149485129
your feelings on ai are centered around artists that annoy you, you don't consider art you like
it just tells me you never like art in the first place

Wow look another AI thread, and let's go through the talking points real fast if you don't AI your Luddite if you have any criticism of AI in a way you are a Luddite, AI is a future it's only going to get better, AI is like a thinking brain in a box it's super genius it's going to solve physics. Use AI because use just you wait and see AI is so wonderful we have to hype it up some more it's only been 3 years and I'm hearing the same crap I heard three years ago. Artists are evil because they hoard the secret drawing knowledge and did you know drawing is the only skill in the entire world that is important. Just sit around wait for AI to solve all problems by 2027 or maybe 2030 or maybe 2025, AGI is coming out next week open AI built in the background it actually escaped from the lab and robot apocalypse self sentient factories. Etc, all coding will be done with AI and you don't need to know how to read or do anything because AI will solve all your thinking problems. More and more of this AI ai ai, artists versus AI again for the 50 millionth time. Everyone will be AI musicians and artists and blah blah blah and for some reason we have to have this conversation over and over again. I hear about AI every damn day from people who have no idea how anything works in any capacity. They're like boomers to think computers are magic and frankly this entire board is full of a bunch of people to sit around hating on people who've done things. They talk about AI replacing exactly who and what. everyone talks about what they're going to do, you're learning this real fast in life. Everyone wants to be an artist a singer a rockstar rapper they all have these dumbass dreams and they never do anything but sit around and jack off. AI has given a stupidest people the ability to pretend the dreams are going to come through if they just sit around and wait. It doesn't matter what anyone says or what reality is you've been sold a dream by a bunch of tech firms

>>149485212
I gave you an example. Do your research instead of throwing up shit from your piehole.

>>149485200
>Even small indie animations and comics gets at least some actual viewership
Haha...

>>149485225
stop trying to scrap data shithead
if you don't understand this question, why the hell are you even on a board for cartoons and comics

>>149485203
It means you’re attacking me and not what I said and given your first thing was saying “I’ve never read a book” and not any evidence or rhetoric of how I was saying was wrong yes that is exactly what you were doing. But thanks for showing you don’t know what you’re talking about while accusing me of the same.

>>149485183
Except AI is able to deliver on both.
It makes nice pictures and it's indistinguishable from most professional human artists.

If you don't see why that's a threat to mediocre artists who only wanted to fleece people then you are part of the problem.

>>149483956
This

>>149485120
How many hours are spent on cartoon inbetweening? How much of that can be spent on a computer learning how to do that? Or learn your style to make your work faster?

I can barely draw, let alone wrangle one of these prompt machines, but even I can see the benefits. All that time spent making someone else's projects can now be spent making YOUR project. Maybe not with hollywood money, but FUCK hollywood money they were never going to make YOUR project, or they'd add ads or gay shit and ruin it for you and everyone.

>>149483923
As an artist you "deserve" nothing, just like 90% of artists throughout history. Artists historically only conducted buisness by being part of a workshop or studio of other artists and being commissioned directly. This idea of a single artist strutting out with this sense of entitlement for work modern artists have is baffling. Doubly so when their proportions are inconsistent like here >>149483722 with the foreground and background.

Oh and as a side note notice how her past self is wearing trousers and how her modern self is wearing a skirt. Weird detail, chromosomes status or just a way of contrasting the two due to how samey they look?

>>149484284
Reminder that the origin of "learn to code" was a bunch of bleeding hearts saw coal miners losing their jobs to automation and thought "man it's sad that these guys worked their whole lives and now have zero transferrable skills and live in dying towns; let's spend our own money offering them free training in an industry that's actually growing" and the result is 10+ years of endless seething.

>>149485263
This image is not AI by the way. It's bait to make anti-AI people respond by insulting it

>>149485263
why should i care what a robot has to say?
you don't even know why people like art

Honestly, I hate AI, but I don't care much about 99.999999% of western artists being replaced, because I'm not interested in what they make these days anyways.

>>149485176
Just the fact they're drawn wearing a skirt says enough.

>>149484389
>I'd even argue that working for free for your friends is also dangerous. But yeah. Definitely run far away from those Linkedin idea guy types.
The trick is that you can work with your friends and other artists for free, you have to be 100% aware of what you’re getting into. I took part in a big reanimated project recently and I knew I wasn’t getting paid, but I knew from the very beginning that it was just something for fun.
These LinkedIn vultures lie to people and present themselves as industry types working on the next biggest show, all a bunch of lies to get you to work for free. Don’t worry tho, sure you’re working for free but this cartoon/comic will became the next big thing, then we will really start making money! Bullshit

>>149485314
good artists hate ai too

>>149485291
Sorry son, AI can make photorealistic chicks now with no flaws. The tech is improving rapidly.

>>149485326
Good, so do I.
What does that have to do with my post?

>>149485176
>>149485315
sort of looks like one

>>149485326
I'm sure the majority of western artists are very talented.

>>149485343
your position and feelings on ai revolve around focusing on your indifference towards artists you don't like, and not the artists you do like even if the artists you do like are also affected

but you don't like any artists, you're just trying to sway public opinion towards ai's favor because your a shill as fucker

>>149485229
>>149485247
I’m assuming you’re the same person given you said the same thing about me not mentioning art I like and posting a minute apart. Just to keep things simple and not turn this into a shit show I’ll say this.
>stop trying to scrap data shithead
I’m not, I’m asking what you want. You never specified anything and instead just said art, if you want me to list the animators or comic artist works I like then I will say that the work of early Disney and Disney renaissance media is nice, Bluth’s work is also quite good especially his Dragon’s Lairs stuff. I also quite liked the art in the Walking Dead but am not a fan of Kirkman’s other work. However the art and artist that saturate the industry today are subpar and lack any kind of heart and soul, despite what people may say or think. For every good artists there are twenty shitty ones and each of them are more vocal than the last. Maybe don’t stand with such obnoxious retards in the name of solidarity since if you succeed you’re just back to where you were. Someone good in a sea of mediocrity and narcissism.

>>149485289
Go back to Twitter you fag

>>149485366
>and not the artists you do like even if the artists you do like are also affected
Why do you think I specified western artists?

>>149485347
"She" is. Look at his future and past self >>149483923

>>149483662 (OP)
>Vent comic
The poor fool has no idea what they have done...

>>149484036
Good penmanship and sense of colors.
But there's no lust, the artist needs to grow a cliit.

>>149485366
>shill as fucker
Eurotrash accent on the text to speech detected.

>>149485361
>Ochako now has her own gravity pull

>>149485361
good artists also hate ai
and as if only western artists hate ai

great shill tactics, you think the people you omit support you because your entire focus is on pointing towards people who are generally disliked

>>149485305
People just want cool stuff to look at. It use to cost millions of dollars, hence big blockbuster Hollywood movies. But now AI can mimic that quality and save everyone tons of money.
Sorry if your art degree is now worthless. But that's just life.

We have all the buzzwords, trannies, woke, the tech is improving, it's the future. This whole thread is literally another advertisement for AI, does anyone care that some no names 20 year old is complaining about AI really no this is just one big advertisement. And like clockwork we get the random generated images and we get yelled at about how AI is the future. I can't even go to YouTube for 2 minutes without seeing at least five different videos about ai. Nothing new everyone uses it, but because it's not interesting anymore we have to listen to the hype bots scream at us from the void about AI because apparently this is a new thing even though this has been going on forever now.

>itt troon does doodles and then seethes about being replaced by AI while begging for work

>>149485410
>People just want cool stuff to look at. It use to cost millions of dollars, hence big blockbuster Hollywood movies. But now AI can mimic that quality and save everyone tons of money.
>Sorry if your art degree is now worthless. But that's just life.

>>149485150
What exactly do you even mean by 'art they like'? Like Leonardo Da Vinci? Rembrandt? Jack Kirby? Jim Lee? Akira Toriyama? What are you even asking?

>>149483982

>>149485361
I feel like more jap artists hate ai than western ones

>>149485417
Why can’t you actually engage with and argue the people doing that and instead just make these generalized posts? Is it because you know you can’t argue and instead have to say that everyone that disagrees with you is a shill and thus attempt to discredit them without actually arguing what they’re saying?

>>149485438
>t.

>>149485374
great response dug out from chatgpt, now tell me what you actually like
but yeah i guess we should shit on good artists because bad artists exist

>>149485453
Considering they don't want their art reuploaded (which you ignored, good work). They're just added the basics.

>>149485433
oh look the robot can't understand human feeling

>>149485472
> They're just added the basics.
SAAAR

>>149485453
Asians are stupidly naive for thinking a polite request will stop anyone.

>>149485378
Seethe harder.

>>149485432
Don't care, still using AI to make more Ariel pics.
Every prompt is a lost commission for a crappy artist so I win.

>>149485494
We're only human anon.

>>149485500
why are you talking to anonymous posters online instead of using your chat bot?

>>149485505
Thats not just minor spelling mistake, you’re sentence literally makes no sense

>>149485465
>great response dug out from chatgpt
More ad hominem, that was my actual opinion that I took the time to type out and the best you could say is that it’s ai generated. Honestly why are you doing this if you’re so utterly incapable of actually engaging? Is it just impotent rage?
>tell me what you actually like
I did, early Disney, Disney Renaissance stuff, and Bluth’s work. Do you want me to name the specific Disney works? Steamboat Willy, Snow White, Fantasia. And as for Bluth aside from Dragon’s Lair I enjoyed the art of Space Ace, American Tale, and Anastasia. What are you going to say that this was AI as well? I can post my collection of Walking Dead comics or my copy of Fantasia on VHS for you.

>>149485509
Only real humans SEETHE they're being replaced.

>>149485517
Guess I could have rephrased it and said "They're covering the basics." Like a tag.
i dunno its like 4am cut me some slack

>>149485457
Engaged with what, bait or another advertisement. Everything on this thread is a repeat of everything that has been said before. Buzzwords and culture war. No new information just one ginormous advertisement. You're going to see 500 posts that will say absolutely nothing. No one's going to actually have a real discussion it is one giant circle jerk . And the whole thing's going to come down to your seething, no you are mad bro. We've gone through this so many times and every thread is exactly the same.

>>149485529
why not program a robot to seethe? how is that not good enough?

>>149485150
I don't think AI should replace artists. I think it's a tool, and like any tool there are things it's good at and suited for and things it's not... I just want artists to stop sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it'll go away.

I love Rockwell. His art strikes a perfect mix between realism and caricature that lets him make some of the most animated and expressive faces in 20th century art. I also really like the work of Joseph Wright - he's got this bold, beautiful contrast in a lot of his paintings.

>>149485071
AI has proven generic art can be easily replicated, so at the very least it could encourage artists to stand out more. But how do you stand out more? Have less influence from other artists, just do your own vision of how you see the world instead of someone else's.

I get that artists can be especially annoying with how much they circlejerk and blend in together without standing out because they think it's the right thing to do because "power to the people" or some shit.

>>149485535
>Engaged with what
What people are actually saying. Because if it’s bait and or advertising then they will probably not have the heart or ability to defend their position well as they have no actual horse in the race. But instead of doing that you’re just saying it’s all advertising with nothing to actually back it up. I mean feel free to prove me wrong. You’re a smart and logical individual I’m sure. You won’t be outdone by some shills, if they are shills that is?
>You're going to see 500 posts that will say absolutely nothing
You mean like what you’re doing right now? Because you’re not proving anything, you’re just doubling down on what you said. Also I will point out that you added bait in despite only saying advertising in your last post.

>>149485541
Because the Human spent their life being a douche and are now getting their come uppance for it.

>>149485526
you make lists as if you're writing watchmojo script
stop thinking you need to impress the anonymous posters with your generic "objectively good" tastes
tell me what you actually like and why

>>149483662 (OP)
It's giga over

>>149485586
But why do the humans who are not douches have to suffer for it? You're a human too

>>149485544
oh look another "objectively good" artist
did you get that from a top 10 or top 5 list?

>>149485610
because he's the biggest douche of them all

>>149485610
Regular humans who've accepted AI have nothing to fear. All the hate is coming from salty and mediocre people who have no other purpose in life.

>>149485544
>I think it's a tool, and like any tool there are things it's good at and suited for and things it's no
I really don't see what AI offers other than just generating images for you. Photoshop is a tool since a person actively uses it to edit and change an image based on what they want. AI is just a program you ask to do the work for you, so I feel like this "AI can actually help artists" argument is crap, since it does almost all of the work anyways.

>>149485573
What conversation? There's nothing here that has not been talked about to death. Again this whole thread is about seething, buzzwords and the culture war it does not matter what anyone says no one's going to change your mind no one's going to post anything related to the real world you're just going to sit here calling each other names, and accusing each other of being either mad or seething. I'm down for if anyone even posting here has a dog in the fight they just want to sit and talk to each other for the 6 hours being mad on the internet

>>149485649
>Calculators are not a tool because it does all the math for you!

>>149485463

>>149485597
Post the inflation one

>>149485593
So once again you can’t actually argue and instead are just choosing to double down. That’s fine I have the proof. Also who said anything about impressing people? You’re doubting my claims and I offered to provide evidence. But I see you have to spin that into a need for validation since you realized that I’m not bullshitting.
>your generic
How is any of what I listed generic, do you mean that as many people agree if so how many normalfags do you know that have even heard of Space Ace? And if you mean it’s quality then I can tell you’re desperate for things to say as the animation on these works is magnificent and some of the greatest ever made.

>>149485544
>chatgpt why do people like Rockwell?
>I love Rockwell. His art strikes a perfect mix between realism and caricature that lets him make some of the most animated and expressive faces in 20th century art. I also really like the work of Joseph Wright - he's got this bold, beautiful contrast in a lot of his paintings.

AI is going to replace people the same way cameras replaced painters and sculptors, and film killed theater. I'm so tired of alarmist bullshit.

>>149485660
The one you’re trying to ignore and pretend isn’t happening because like I said you can’t actually argue with anything that’s been said. You’re just making excuses and hurling logical fallacies hoping that that will get you by.
>does not matter what anyone says no one's going to change your mind
Appeal to triviality, if that’s the case why are you here? You’re just wasting your own time and should therefore not care about any of this, yet here you are. Why don’t you leave if this is all so pointless. If you’re not lying then I expect that this is your last reply.

>>149485689
Cameras killed shitty painters and sculptors.
Film killed shitty theater productions.
AI won’t kill the godtier artists, but the insecure chicken scratchers will drown.

>>149483673
>>149483690
God fucking damn it how can anyone willingly enter an industry that allows the higher ups to fuck with the beginners like this

>>149485678
you're afraid to expose that you might like something that isn't universally acclaimed
you're either a chatbot that can only source its data from critiques or you're just a coward

>>149485667
>the calculator argument
comparing a tool used to preform mathematical equations quicker to a program that generates images for you by just writing prompts is peak retardation. I'm convinced that if every "artist" started using AI, artistic culture would die

>>149485721
good artists still hate ai

>>149485738
All kind of Artist should.
Even Ai Hates it.

>>149485726
Stop trying to move the goalpost. You asked me to name things I liked and I did, even giving proof of it.
>you're either a chatbot
A chatbot that can post an image of a vhs tape of a film that was specifically referenced with a time stamp? Really? Is this how desperate you are to say that I’m not real? How about you learn to argue before you embarrass yourself anymore.

>>149483842
Stop Cry harder, You can do better that a Heartless machine.

You're making us look bad.

>>149485731
>comparing a tool used to preform mathematical equations quicker to a program that generates images for you by just writing prompts is peak retardation.
Hey Chimp, AI is also used to perform art renders quicker too.

>I'm convinced that if every "artist" started using AI, artistic culture would die
It was dead before AI existed.

>>149485776
no one is gonna suck your dick for pointing out all the fallacies you know
what do you even think this is?

you still haven't convinced me that you actually have tastes a human can have. your only explanation on why you like something is that they're objectively good things that no one could dare criticize
as if thats why i'm looking for, as if it convinces me that you're a human with tastes

maybe stick to talking to chatgpt if this bothers you

>>149485800
>ey Chimp, AI is also used to perform art renders quicker too.
that's literally just an extension of generating new images from pre-exisitng artwork, what are you talking about? it's nothing like a calculaor

>>149485834
So not only do you have no actual argument and can’t address what I said but you’re just going to keep doubling down? Okay.
>no one is gonna suck your dick for pointing out all the fallacies you know
No shit, I do it because it calls out your dishonest behavior.
>you still haven't convinced me that you actually have tastes a human can have
This is especially retarded since I posted a pic with a timestamp of my copy of Fantasia on vhs. And you’re ignoring that and are in no way contesting its legitimacy so you know it’s legit. This just tells me you have nothing else to say and are doing this as a last resort.
>your only explanation on why you like something is that they're objectively good things that no one could dare criticize
Why are you afraid that someone will get mad at you? Or are you trying to lure me into saying a criticism which you will then say was done by ChatGPT to cope?
>as if thats why i'm looking for, as if it convinces me that you're a human with tastes
I did that with my pic. You’re just lying to yourself and talking out of your ass.

>>149485618
Was introduced to Wright through a random art thread like five years ago. You asked people to say what kind of art they like, don't get all pissy because I responded with a good artist whose work I enjoy. I like Sam Jinks' sculpture work as well, are you gonna bitch and moan and call me a pleb for not picking some obscure "found art" hack instead?

>>149485649
The stuff that generative AI models are best suited for are, unfortunately, not the things that most of the popular developers are currently directing their effort at. Machine Learning is ideal for highly repetitive or tedious tasks or those with rote procedures where you can take advantage of very narrow, cultivated datasets for training the model; making a language model, for example, that only summarizes technical manuals as opposed to summarizing any kind of document, or developing a tool for animators that could automate time-consuming inbetweening or clean up work. Instead most developers are trying to sell AI as a does-it-all tool because it's easier to hype up and get investors on board for that sort of schtick than it is to say "we want to develop a machine learning tool for a video editor that goes through and all the selected clips and automatically clips and times them for the best match cuts".

>>149485683
Eat a fucking bag of dicks. Not every opinion someone has that doesn't meet your approved level of smugness is generated by an algorithm.

>>149483842
Stop Crying that hard, You can do far more better that a Heartless machine, you have soul and heart... a weak one, apparently.

You're making us look bad.

>>149485903
>I like Sam Jinks' sculpture work as well, are you gonna bitch and moan and call me a pleb for not picking some obscure "found art" hack instead?
thanks for treating art appreciation on an art board like it was a chore

>>149485941
see>>149484993

>>149485971

>>149484369
>angel engine
No fuckin way, I seen videos about this thing on YouTube since it's popular in the analog horror sphere

>>149485903
>Machine Learning is ideal for highly repetitive or tedious tasks or those with rote procedures where you can take advantage of very narrow, cultivated datasets for training the model;
While I don't disagree, I'm mainly talking about AI. as it relates to art, not of all the uses it has in society.
> developing a tool for animators that could automate time-consuming inbetweening or clean up work
flash animation has already been doing that for over a decade, and even then many people prefer traditional animation where the in between are all drawn by a person. I guess I'm more generous to this point, but I feel like any artist making traditional animation wouldn't really use AI as an aid at any point, especially with something like Flash available. And like you said, most retards will try and apply it to everything

>>149485597
Fuck. I've been replaced. What's an unemployed green texter supposed to do in this brave new world?

>>149484704
>90$
Yeah if you're gonna cheap out, most artists aren't going to cry if you went to AI. What ever you wanted to pay to draw wasn't worth 90$.


Why didn't OP name drop? I think that's the biggest mistake. Let order artists now who's the scum bag. Doing all that art for exposure. Christ.

>>149485289
coal miners make everyone's lives worse so we really should have shipped them off to cities instead of making them welfare queens. Rurals are genuinely disgusting people

>>149484993
>>149485982

Watch this, you pessimist and fatalist faggot.

https://youtu.be/dZjtV53msYU?si=rtCqnCFQLbKR3B6a

>>149486086
why does a person need to convince me? the ai should

>>149486107

>>149483795
Nobody will pay you to do creative work unless you have a reasonably good portfolio of real world work samples. Having a good personal portfolio or college projects is rarely enough.
The unfortunate reality is nearly everyone who works in any creative industry will need to pick up pro bono work early on if they hope to later get paid work.

>>149483816
On what grounds?

>>149485030
So Photoshop just made the entire image in a few seconds with zero input?

It's like saying NovelAI or whatever is just like notepad.

>>149486162
or you can just do your own projects
unless you're starved for your own ideas, there's no reason to work for free

>>149486162
>>149486197
This there’s more to art than getting a job

>>149485170
No she works as a comic/board artist. Like she said it’s her job now

>>149483662 (OP)
From this title, I thought it was going to be a story about someone she knew stealing her job by using AI art. This is just nothing.

>>149486246
i agree, but people do their best work when they can do it full time
its a very midwit take to say that real artists don't make money when we have centuries of evidence on the contrary
when you are getting paid for your work you can do it full time, in which you are focusing on creating and refining their voice. and if we're focusing on getting a job in the industry ideally a good company gathers great artists so they can make something greater then themselves.

>>149484788
i don't know why ai shills think this is some kind of gotcha and reflects poorly on artists for not wanting to do work that they don't want to do
normal people don't want to work and want a future where no one has to work.
ai shills think everyone should still be working slave labor but feel good about it because they can have brain numbing slop at their finger tips

I don't hate AI. I love and support the artists I like, often buying their merch or that of projects they work on. I love commissioning smaller artists, whether it's for smut or innocent illustrations.
To me, generative AI is nothing more than a digital toy. Yes, I've used it. I've had fun with it. I will use and enjoy it again. I also know how to draw, paint, sculpt and play three instruments even if I'm mediocre at best at all of those things.
That said, I can laugh at the whiny artist posted here. I will laugh at a lot of mediocre westoid artists crying over AI. I will celebrate when AI completely replaces corporate globohomo slop "artists."
AI will not replace good artists. But it will replace mediocre illustrators who deluded themselves into thinking they're artists.

>>149486409
ai is bad because it floods any place that allows it

Ai art is only bad if it's being monetized, since it's trained on other peoples work without consent. Casual use for your own personal benefit is fine

>>149486417
You should blame the websites themselves for not allowing an option to filter it.

>>149483662 (OP)
You couldn't put these panels in a 2x2 in paint or something?

I just woke up, I'm going to go take a piss, you guys are still babbling about AI, I wish I had this much time to spend talking about nothing. Let's cut to the chase if AI is really good and takes all the jobs it takes all the job, if AI doesn't work and falls apart somehow then it doesn't take all the job. The end I have solved this thread

>>149485104
>Adapt towards efficiency
>t. 4 channer
I wan't to laugh but this is too retarded...

>>149485642
Lot of justification and circumferences to just say you hate yourself.

>>149483662 (OP)
Waiter waiter more trauma dump

>>149484006
yeah no shit dude it's called self promotion you fucking retard

>sit at computer
>draw on tablet
>have AI running in the background generating fetish porn for me
give me one reason this is bad

>>149485291
Looks like typical AI pic, where the neural network couldn't decide if it wanted to give Ariel a tail or legs and stopped somewhere in the middle.

The amount of vitriol towards artists who get paid for their work in these threads always borders on unnatural, to the degree I wonder if it is all astroturfing bots for the AI industry. Maybe it’s not, perhaps that many people really are this seethingly angry that some people get to do something they enjoy for a living while they don’t, so they feel a kind of schadenfreude at the thought of everyone being made as miserable as they are. You didn’t see people taking such sadistic glee in factory workers losing their jobs to robots (except perhaps the company owners, who don’t have to pay robots or give them any rights, of course the same will be true of any human replaced by machines).

Ultimately I think humanity is just pretty fucked at this point. The elites won’t need most of us soon, they’ve already turned most blue and white collar jobs into rote, robotic production lines and when they replace us with machines and make us useless eaters they’re easily psychopathic enough to just get rid of us at that point. Good job if you have a skill they actually want in their brave new world I guess, but what exactly those skills will be (and my guess is they will continue to diminish) remains to be seen.

>>149486792
>so they feel a kind of schadenfreude at the thought of everyone being made as miserable as they are
It's this.

>>149483722
>>149483961
Rome? For art like that? Really?

>>149484999
You understand where I'm coming from. Meaning that when someone explained it to you, you actally listened and thought about it. This makes me feel for you and think about what you said.

>>149486792
They had a bad experience with an artist once so now they assume every artist is like that.
So seeing artists thrive makes them really upset because they feel they don't deserve it because they don't have what they have.

"How come I'm struggling yet this faggot is getting paid to talk about her self mutilation?"

But it really all comes down to as you said, schadenfreude

>>149486901
That's good
But why should I, an artist, be replaced by AI because you had a bad experience with another artist?

>>149483662 (OP)
>>149483673
This is kinda cringe ngl

>>149486924
>But why should I, an artist, be replaced by AI because you had a bad experience with another artist?
Because it's hilarious and life has never been fair.
There are still thousands of other jobs you can do. If you still pick drawing when it's a dead end career the onus is on you pal.

>Noooo you can't use a computer to make art instantly you have to ask me then wait 10 years for me to do it

>>149483991
>I could to something like this when I have something to share with you
No wonder she wasn't the writer.

>>149485426
>Work
No no no, dear anon. The artist is asking for donations. At no point is there a promise of work in return for monies paid.

>>149486792
You can tell something is off with how unusually active this thread is for dead burger hours plus the aggressively polarizing posting style with stale memes and recycled talking points.

so-called artists are massive hypocrites

>>149486924
It has been multiple similar personal or impersonal bad experiences with multiple artists in multiple communities. The way I see it, being an artist has prestige, so it attracts narcissists and shitty people who use it as a saving grace.
The pattern recognition and the bitterness builds up. You end up either holding onto the resentment and poisoning yourself or you stop caring about anything but the end result (the drawings themselves). To the former AI is retribution. To the later AI is an output source.

I agree that your treatment is unfair. I've been in your shoes and to a small degree to the artist's as well. I have no answer for you. I guess I just wanted to say that you're not like the assholes I'm used to and you deserve a thumbs up for it.

>>149487092
I dont believe in copyright so I think both are okay

>>149487098
copyright always benefit the monopolies so it's funny to see AI haters wanting to use copyright like it's in their benefit

>>149487111
it drives me fucking nuts seeing DA furry artists hooting and hollering about how we need stricter copyright laws. They did the same shit over the Palworld lawsuit too

>>149484014
I have seen so many ai comics, it's easy to tell it's ai. It can't create consistency making the same characters look slightly different in every panel, the character expressions always have a blank stare or look in the wrong direction when interacting with other characters.

Ai can only work if the artist knows how to draw the parts ai can't draw, is higly skilled in removing mistakes and knows how to use 3d software.

>>149483662 (OP)
Sorry troon, but the cocaine Bigfoot v-logs make me laugh.

>>149486889
considering the text on the pages seems to be in italian it's not that surprising

>>149484704
>You haven't met most artists
Neither have you you wojakposting retard, you're just regurgitating shit you've read on 4chan and have never commissioned anything

>>149487219
>cocaine Bigfoot v-logs
What?

>>149487266
Shut up.

>>149483816
Depends on whether or not they did any legal paperwork before it all started. If they didn't, she can sue for copyright since the rights for the art is hers.

>>149483896
>They hadn't spoken in ten years about this.
good morning saar pls do the needful and read >>149483742

>>149483912
I've worked with some people like this. Truth is they are lazy and inconsiderate and no amount of time will get them off their asses. The artist was the real driving force and everything stopped with the commissioner or idea guy.

The AI wasn't the ultimate tool to replace her, it was a symptom of the other one not actually wanting to involve her and her poor dedication to actually getting the project going.

Never work for coat, always get money upfront. There are a lot of assholes who think their words are honey and that can replace actually paying you.

>>149483673
>wont name the short
Fake.

>>149487209
Yet.

There is nothing an AI can't learn to do like a human does.

>>149486197
> or you can just do your own projects
If the goal is to enter the professional workforce, then demonstrating you can fit into a pipeline and take critiques is necessary. Personal work can show your artistic skills, but people want to see you can be a team player.

>>149486246
The comic wasn’t about making art. The comic was about doing the sort of work required to enter professional industry that can make use of artistic skill.

>>149487392
Chatgpt unclog my toilet.

>>149487383
Naming the short would essentially name the person this comic is about. Generally, if you’re venting frustration like this, it’s best to focus on the situation instead of the person.

>>149487402
Working for exposure assuming it’s the best way to prove your professionalism and start your career is exactly how this artist got taken advantage of. Encourage it all you want.

>>149485529
>sig
The funny part here is that you're not genning and fixing anything because that would actually take skills, time and effort. You're just reposting shit from a cloudfolder made by your employer. If you had done the needful you would not have fucked up this badly.

>>149486841
We're /co/rabs in a bucket.

>>149487402
>the sort of work required to enter professional industry
I'd say this comic was more about what happens when this is your mentality and how that can backfire.

>>149484465
We’re only seeing one side to this, but it’s shitty to not pay someone for hard work

>>149485289
I love literally making shit up

>>149483673
>>149483690
There are two types of artists. Workhorses, and visionairies.
The former is prone to get dragged into these stupid unpaid narcissist projects because they actually lack creativity and drive to do something completely on their own, while the visionairy attempts to walk their own path and only takes on paid work to further their own goals, not for the craft itself.

>>149483662 (OP)
i hate these turbogay artist vent comics

>>149483722
>so hey, I can’t afford to pay you for any of this, but what if I let you hang up a print of one of the finished pages in my husband’s sister’s son’s gallery? I mean, that’s just as good, right? Better, even!
They’ve got no one to blame but themselves for falling for this “work for reputation” scheme not once, but twice.

>>149483945
That's not how it works.

Learning a trade = Nope
Going to community college for something useful = Nope
Going to university for something useful = Nope.

Complaining online = Yes

Artcucks are actual retarded. Drawfags will always have love since they never complain

Sure is HELLO SAAR here

>>149484822
>I'm on a website that was notorious 20 years ago so I have to be a dickhead to everybody
You're the reason nobody comes here anymore

>>149486792
It's a mixture of indians shitposting for their masters and everyone else shitposting for the love of it.

>>149483866
Obviously you have no brain processing power so let me put into your her in easier to understand imagery.
She wasted hundreds of hours and constructed 80 small sheds. Obviously deserves no recognition right?

>>149486792
Most of the vitriol I think comes from Indian shills and bots, this site is full of them now because they pay to be allowed to shill shit here.
That said, personally I don't care much about AI since it's mainly going to replace stuff I don't care about, ie. mainstream shit.
It can't replace the more niche/fucked up stuff because no company using AI is ever going to use it to make anything niche or fucked up and the "one-man gen army" isn't going to be able to generate anything worth a damn themselves. What will happen is that artists will either pivot to more niche or weird interests and survive, try to salvage what remains of the corpo-backed art and fail, or just give up entirely.
Soon, art will be the exclusive domain of weirdos and creeps, while all the normalfag artists will just be replaced by AI.
And when I say weirdos and creeps, I mean the REAL freaky types, not just some guy on twitter drawing furry porn.

>>149488596
I chuckled sensibly.

>>149483662 (OP)
>>149483673
>>149483690

>>149487111
I am not a monopoly and I have benefited from my ability to copyright my work in that I could prevent unauthorized use of it.

>>149487465
I’m going to assume you don’t work in a creative industry, so you’re talking out of your ass.

>>149485176
It's always a fucking Alice or Emily for some reason.

>>149487853
Yeah. It was a hard lesson learned. That happens. The take away shouldn’t be “never do pro bono work” l but to be more clear with your terms and the reason you’re picking up the work to begin with.

>>149483673
>>149483690
>no payment
Even if I want to work for the love of the game, I'd be crazy if I didn't want some big reward at least to celebrate my field debut like some shopping money and a fine dinner. Tsk tsk.

>>149487111
Yeah copyright has never helped little people fight against big corporations!

This board hate animators anyway.

>>149483880
I want to see AI working on phone lines lmao

>>149483961
Wouldn't she be black listed for doing that?

>>149483816
I guess no, since it seems like it was a collab on a friendship term.
As long as you cant proove that one particular thing is yours and very unique, there is no copyright infringment traceable.

>>149483722
I'm supposed to feel bad for someone who had their art displayed in a gallery in Rome? She just casually throws that in there as if it's not a huge deal and an indicator of immense wealth and privilege

>>149483866
>>149488503
Dont forget it doesnt sound just like “This is my idea, can you draw it“. It sounds more like they both gave input into the drawings.

>>149488879
Literally any tard can get their art displayed in a gallery. She didn't say it was a prestigious one and she didn't get any awards or accolades for it. Judging by the thumbnails it doesn't look too impressive skillwise

>>149484061
>laws can never change
You must be a pretty shit lawyer

>>149488879
What do you think Rome is?
It’s a huge city with many galleries, its on a higher tier than getting your work displayed in your community college but getting your work displayed in a small gallery in a huge city isn’t like she won the lottery

>>149483857
>>149483896
>It sounds like she didn't finish the graphic novel so the other lady just used AI to finish it?
We don't know what happened. Could be a case of straight up her running some AI filters across the thing, which would obviously make it IP theft.

Am I the only one who thinks her drawings look like shit? I'm not agreeing with the friend that fucked the artist over but I understand. People who need free art will usually work with shitty artists and get mad/disappointed when the quality of work reflects that. So they resort to A.I. and pumping out slop that looks "good". Art is a visual medium after all.

>>149483989
They already couldn't publish it for legal reasons, due to the story stealing some musician's life story without permission. Nothing of value will be lost.

>>149484318
>Treating someone you worked with as a disposable tool even though they were perfectly willing to work for free.
The usual sellouts and shitheads here will never get it, because they've never had a creative bone in their body.

It sounds like for the artist it was a genuine passion project they sacrificed alot into, but for the "Author™" it was just some shitty project to make money or get famous and make their own le ebic anime sort of thing. But whereas the artist was willing to settle for free and give their labor, the moronic author was only willing to make their work free at zero cost to them. The artist put in everything, the author risked and expended nothing.

The only justifiable way to side with the author is if you're some randian tier redditor psychopath.

>>149488976
>The only justifiable way to side with the author is if you're some randian tier redditor psychopath.
You’ve just nailed ai shills

I don't like AI Art, but I wouldn't mind if someone used FREE drawings that I made for them. Some people host Royalty Free images online specifically for others to use.

It's hard to say who is in this wrong here.

>>149483961
These look like shit.

>>149483875
>She hadn’t even talked to the other woman in over ten years
nigger, learn to read
they haven't talked to each other only a year

>>149488471
>I'm on a website that was notorious 20 years ago
it was barely made 20 years ago

These threads are always really strange to me because they clearly get bombarded by some sort of bot/marketing firm that constantly avatarfags with AIslop of Disney girls, except it's never actually generating them mid-thread so much as scraping them from pre-existing sources online

>>149489040
Crazy how it takes 300 replies until someone corrects this. Get something less wrong and you'll get called out, but this one just stays there without a reply? What's going on?

>>149483812
>>149483863
>>149483879
>>149483908
My goodness you guys are gullible, this story doesn't even make sense she drew some storyboards for some person no links are provided, then this person years later feeds the storyboards into what runway which AI she doesn't even mention anything to back up these claims. This just feels like outrage bait, I'm so good the evil AI people stole my work please hug me and comfort me, and then we got AI crowd we're going to use this as proof of artists getting replaced. The whole thing seem pretty fishy, hell there's an AI that can make storyboards for you and you could take those images and feed it into an AI and get some movement so again this whole story just sounds so fake. You're telling me a person was sitting on her work for years because it was so fantastic and then made again no link. I can do the same thing I work in super science and last week we were replaced by AI totally happened please feel sorry for me and give me money

>>149483991
I have nothing against AI but honestly, the fact she was not warned is pretty fucked up.
It's like going to a job interview and they don't tell you that you weren't picked, all I can think is "fuck you".

>>149489112
>job interview
Except the job wasn't an actual job and you were volunteering your time & labor with no compensation expected

>>149489130
Isn't that even worse?
You're working on something purely on principle and inspiration and you get cut off without even being warned.

>>149489065
it's probably bots because /co/ has lost a fuckload of traffic over the years, yet a random thread like this is suddenly bursting with activity? lol get real

>>149489096
I would like to see the authors side of this story because it really just seems like the artist is dumping on them even after the author said she wanted to remain friends with the artist

Does anyone have a link to the said AI video that the artist refers to. I'm kind of interested in seeing what this person talking about, and again if there is no link and no actual proof is provided maybe this is just completely fake because the end of this story is please give me money here's my patreon. I looked over the artist's work it doesn't seem to be that good, I'm not saying that I cannot see an AI person taking their work and tricking them but you know it just sounds really off the whole story,

>>149489065
this is what happens when you don’t ban israeli or indian IPs

>>149489162
With the April Fools exposing how little people use this site and hack/shutdown a few months back I don't think Hiro can afford banning whole countries ips. Bots are traffic too apparently.

>>149489096
>artist teams up with writer/ideas guy
>gets some work
>looks for more work with them
>is now using AI and doesn't need them
That's basic, anon. There are less and more complicated real world examples of this happening. She's posting her work for reference. It could be fake, like anything else, but this seems to be a common occurrence since a lot of artists in their 20s often try to latch on a collaborate.

>hey, remember that thing we worked on in college?
>yeah I did it with AI!
Letting them know not to hit you up for concept work or work at all is actually the right thing to do if you're going with AI. Leading them on is worse.

>>149489160
>Does anyone have a link to the said AI video that the artist refers to.
The artist probably didn't want to give exposure to AI filter over her work but she did it for free so she may as well air out literally everything. Release the storyboards, give the author name, show text messages etc. We need a timeline so we can see how and when shit went down.

>>149489215
See that's what a normal person or even a person with just a bit of common Sense would do. If you're mad that this person took your stuff and put it into AI then you would want everyone to know you're the one who originally came up with the storyboards, but the artist doesn't provide them. It seems very suspicious that the only thing the artist is providing is a bunch of Tumblr style drawings and their patreon account. This whole thing just seems to be in my humble opinion very fake and very gay. No one knows about this artist until they made this very fake story up, now everybody knows about them. Current thing that everyone has an opinion on hurt me please give me money.

>>149489193
>Idea's gal has ideas that are so close to plagiarism that companies won't touch the project
>years later, Idea's gal uses the plagiarism machine

>>149484036
>she's just a yaoifag.
My fucking sides

>>149489259
... but using #metoo to call people out for what they did to you.

>If you're mad that this person took your stuff and put it into AI then you would want everyone to know you're the one who originally came up with the storyboards, but the artist doesn't provide them.
The artist said they'll be providing them and that she doesn't know what's going on. The video hasn't been released, the person just said they used AI, not that it's done, just that the artist isn't needed.

>>149489065
>Posting Samui
The sad thing is I always find her AI generated art better than her fanart

>>149489285
Wow that sounds even more suspicious, no video vague claim that they're going to release the storyboards one of these days. If you know the person who fed your stuff into AI you would at least tell us their name and the company's name, again the only thing the artist is showing us is there Tumblr art and their patreon account while demanding money. I'm not saying that people are not taking people's work and putting it into AI, I'm just saying this whole story sounds very odd and the whole give me money now thing kind of gives it away. If you're going to say people screwed you over then tell us the people who screwed you over so we know not to work with them. In order for the story to be true it would mean the artist is protecting the people who screwed her over. This is like a woman claiming that she was raped by an invisible flying penis that totally raped her and you should feel sorry for her and give her money. And if you ask her hey you got a proof that any of this happened you get shut it down by a bunch of people who support the invisible flying penis because it fits their narrative

>>149483662 (OP)
RETARD TWITTER RAGEBAIT THREAD AGAIN. ONLY PAJEETS POSTING BTW.

AI art will become CGI be in the sense you will only notice it when it's bad.

The average person can no longer tell a real drawing from an AI image.

>>149483662 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe McDonald's will let her put her art up on the walls lmao

>>149489146
We already know /co/ has a very real problem with bots. And it's not just porn spammers and shit like this either, it's shit that makes it look like it's done just to fake traffic on the site like the Simpsons quote threads. He eventually changed his filenames after getting called out enough times but it was obvious he had hundreds of images and quotes lined up. And there's no real incentive to just bot quote threads other than generating traffic.

Now consider how many threads you might be seeing made by bots. The Johnny Bravo anime one was discovered to have been botting shit from an older thread including responses. Same for that Costume Quest show being botted with image dumping every hour. That's concerning shit.

>>149489365
>AI art will become CGI be in the sense you will only notice it when it's bad.
And much like modern CGI, most of it will be bad.

>>149489331
>If you know the person who fed your stuff into AI you would at least tell us their name and the company's name,
I thought I misread what you said when you type this "feed into AI" bit before because that wasn't what was stated in the comic. She just says she was replaced, not that her work was stolen. This is an issue of your skepticism, you're misunderstanding and making dumb assumptions. It's fine to by wary, even better to he curious, but you're neither, just exposing heavy bias and framing standard "here's a link to my patreon" to "demanding money".

>>149483662 (OP)
Where were all of these people when coal miners were getting told to code?
Do they only care now that they’re affected and the next in line to be replaced?

>>149489373
But that's what the person is doing they are linking to their patreon there are asking for money. Anytime anyone asks you for money you have to be a little suspicious of their motivation. Again no actual proof is provided, if she was replaced by AI tell us the company that replaced her tell us something actually real something we can actually look up. I can literally make up a story right now and say I was walking down the street and then a bunch of dudes in the van raped me with horse dicks and now I walk funny , please give me money. I was working the high tech super lab computer place that totally exists and then we were all replaced by AI please give me money, my car broke down and I'm out of gas money and I have to get to the hospital for my twin brother please give me money, I was eating a sandwich when ninjas attacked and now I'm paralyzed from the dick down please give me money, I got into a rap battle with space aliens and the space healing shot me with lasers because I was so fantastic at rapping, please give me money.

>>149483961
Here's the lesson. If some bitch calls you and says to work for free on a passion project about David Bowie, ask if she has permission to use his likeness first. Also, don't trust women. Men have to chose to be dishonorable while it is women's DNA to have no honor.

>>149489367
>Now consider how many threads you might be seeing made by bots.
I already avoid most threads that are botslop (dall-e thread thats up right now) but how can you tell when it's not that obvious? When it looks like outrage bait? Is OP a bot thread?

>>149489382
>learn to code meme
This was largely a product of online echo chambers. The answer to any field shrinking is retraining and learning to code as a state funded opportunity should be a good option to have. The animosity developed for "learn to code" is what happens when you only read headlines and let retards narrativize contempt and smugness.

>>149489415
>Again no actual proof is provided, if she was replaced by AI tell us the company that replaced her tell us something actually real something we can actually look up.
>the company
Did you not read the comic or are using AI to generate incomplete irrelevant responses?

>>149483991
>>149483690
>>149483673
"She" draws like an infantile and even visually represents herself like a physically retarded individual with poor hygiene.

As usual the only ones who feel threatened by AI are those without any talent, without any imagination, without any intelligence, without any humbleness.
Instead they are arrogant and delusional to the point they develop an actual mental disease.
You can tell by their lack of tastes, the choice in pen, the way they draw.
An absolute mental retard who blames everyone but themselves.
She can't even get a proper vocabulary and prose going on, the mental retard cannot express itself.

IRL she's an obese midget half-blind who can't wash herself and probably keeps loli figurines cause she's a pedo. Probably has 2 physically retarded dogs to match herself too.

Stay away from these Humpty Dumpty creatures who need to fall off the wall already and crack and meet the real world.
Most likely some retarded wagie cagie without a college degree.

>>149489418
>ask if she has permission to use his likeness first
You would not release a Wild West thriller featuring Sean Connery's likeness.

>>149489442
The shitty artist lady isn't going to fuck you for defending her honor on an Indian AI bot thread anon

>>149489328
>The sad thing is I always find her AI generated art better than her fanart
I feel like Naruto is one of those IPs where most of the porn is shockingly low-quality for some reason

>>149485049
>>149484749
Shut up you can't even speak proper English you lack of capitals and punctuation uneducated imbecile.

Read a fucking book you agrammatic retard. I love how artists pretend they're intellectuals when they're as anti intellectual as they come.

Back in the day you'd have your head cut off if you didn't deliver on time, similar to now if you want to be in the industry.
Go find a noble or a king to commission you and stop barking up the wrong tree like the dog you are.

>>149489418
>ask if she has permission to use his likeness first
The British music icon became the inspiration behind the character of John Constantine, with creator Alan Moore stating that, "Constantine was the result of "fit[ting] it all together." Initially created "purely to get Sting into the story."

The Italians are absolutely cucked, it appears.

>>149489442
I read the thing, three times there are no names, just person x I was working with for 10 years blah blah blah, again I'm not telling you anything but when someone makes extraordinary claims that they've been working with these people for years and they just stole all their ideas and work you think they would be mad enough to tell us who the hell the person was not just a music producer video guy. Some guy she was working with for years took her stuff and put it in AI well tell us who the hell the guy's name is, if you want us to go out with pitchforks and burn people down we better tell us who the hell the person was otherwise you're just making outrageous claims. And then the I'm want to get my art out there before this video drops, you tell me this person doesn't have a channel doesn't have a name we can go look at their stuff that they took your work and then stop working with you and replaced you. Come on this whole thing is just one ginormous add for the artist to get a buck off of

I'm writing a vent comic about why it is a bad idea to put your hands on another man's food.

>>149489382
no one wants to be a coal miner
people want to be artists
people thought ai was gonna make people free to do what they want, but i don't see ai being used to free blue collar workers from the jobs they hate

how is this hard to understand?

>>149485529
>>149485586
>>149485642
This entire interaction is fascinating, it's like you've realized that the internet actually being filled with bots that just simulate fake outrage actually really fucking sucks and you can't even bring yourself to defend it even ironically (makes sense, arguing with a bot is just trolling yourself no matter how many mental gymnastics you go through), so you have to obsessively track down people that you believe to be "real" or otherwise assume that anyone you're engaging with is also real - because the human interaction is intrinsically worth more than AI engagement

>>149489494
Can't a guy call someone a retard a retard without simping? Am I supposed to let it slide for the sake of seeing a roastie get toastie? I like being right.

>>149489529
>took her stuff and put it in AI
Yeah you're a bot.

>>149489606
That's what it said in the comic, she was working with the person for years to make some sort of animation thing she was doing the storyboards and then the person used AI it is indicated that her storyboards were used in the process and we're fed into AI. Again no proof is provided no real names, you want to hop around that issue. You want to pretend that this artist is didn't just make up this whole thing for money. She literally talks about how storyboards are intrical in the process of making something and how they replaced her with AI and how they used her storyboards that she had been working with and her art is now in the AI. That's why she puts her heart and says she wants to get it out there before the video. You're just a lying piece of crap who wants to make believe that this stuff is real

>>149489542
>>149489382
i mean ai hasn't made anything cheaper, cleaner, or safer
so what good is it for the common man?

>>149489606
Again, she's not going to fuck you bro

>>149489463
>"She" draws like an infantile and even visually represents herself like a physically retarded individual with poor hygiene.
This is how most women of her type draw. I've seen a hundred of these quirky women artists drawing themselves and they all do this. It's part of what makes it annoying to see these emotional vent comics in the first place, their style

I know you're doing your own shitpost but still. I wish more people woul actually call out this sort of content and style.

>>149489655
what is this tactic

>>149489662
>I wish more people woul actually call out this sort of content and style.
Its not as horrifically grotesque like the Tumblr style and it's just boring /milquetoast so people ignore it. Artists with styles like this resort to safe gayshit and outrage bait because they don't have the skill for anything else.

>>149489639
>it is indicated that her storyboards were used in the process and we're fed into AI.
Where? Go ahead and show me which pic said this.

>You want to pretend that this artist is didn't just make up this whole thing for money.
I'm saying I don't know, I already said that this might be a lie. You're telling me it is a lie, but your proof is flimsy.

>You're just a lying piece of crap who wants to make believe that this stuff is real
What am I lying about?

I don't care if you are a bot.

>>149489655
I don't want to fuck her, I want to fuck this bot. Being right makes me horny.

i hate AI but some people express it in the most faggot way
people excusing/using AI is my breakfast hypothetical, if you use it you're a sub 80 IQ and there's nothing wrong about it, it's just that there's indeed more midwit on earth and it was bound to be, but i am still saddened people eat it up so quickly and adopted this indeed technological evolution to trade any semblance of dignity.

>>149489517
John Constantine looks like Sting but isn't Sting. I have a feeling the project this is about doesn't just look like David Bowie but is Halloween Jack which is a character Bowie created and personified for the Diamond Dogs album.

>>149489662
I know this type of creature in real life. It's a selfish jew/gypsy educated by her grandma cause her parents were busy abandonging her for cock/pussy while also treating her like a retard(cause she is one), with a dozen health problems. She carries and collects anything similar to her such as lolis and fat people and has delusions of grandeur where she tries to emotionally manipulate people and screeches at her boss for being "sexist" because she refuses to work properly, she's an idiot incapable of getting better but she also refuses to get better.
She's probably working a dead-end job filling up Excel sheets while lying on the internet she's a programmer. My exact Humpty Dumpty retard is a filthy game tester that cannot behave worth a shit. She behaves nice for like 10 minutes before swearing you off behind your back and scurries off like a coward when you ask her what she just said after a few "You didn't understand. No I didn't say that". She also can't cook worth a shit. She's such a petty jealous creature you'd have to send her straight back to India where she belongs. Despite behaving like a pajeeta her skin is as pale as cheese.

Also that's a crayolla crayon style. I always hated using that as a kid, I'd always use markers for their sleekness. I've seen most autistic talentless hack artists use crayolla crayons. It's meant for children's cartoons like Elinor Wonders Why except ye know... that one also uses a comic book style like The Loud House, not only crayolla crayon outlines , and the professional artists behind it would much rather work on something else if given the chance.
Imbeciles such as this "creature" does it willingly out of her own volition. It doesn't have an artistic bone in its body.

>>149489791
I use AI to make booty pictures of Batgirl. I was never going to pay a commission and I don't feel like drawing them myself.

>>149489662
>>149489825
I think it's more like simplified and small/cute designs are more mass produce friendly and is common in the chibi and even South Park style. It's fine.

>>149489188
>Bots are traffic too apparently.
that explains a lot

>>149489850
Yea, this is definitely something I could see a sub-80 IQ individual enjoying.
Obligatory anime girl reaction image to twist the knife in for a retard such as yourself.

>>149483991
if she wants a webtoon i can give her one for 2k. i have an entire folder of story bibles for TV shows i write as therapy

I only support Japanese artists
Western whiners can get bent

>Saar ai is just a tool saar
Incredibly Indian thread, I can't believe I have to share the internet with you all.

>>149489463
Non-artist here but how is that bad? It's not one's first drawing to look weird with bad proportions and shit like that. Looks good to me.

>>149483662 (OP)
Is this the new "your favorite student"?

>>149490177
No because she's outlining a common problem in general that's more industry wide and less "omg this happened to me" relationship with a prof thing.

>>149483662 (OP)
>>149483673
>A troon with calarts style lost a job
Im celebrating tbqh

I cannot stand how Pro AI shit has just taken over Linkedin of all places. Now each and every time I go there I immediately see some guy praising AI shit with incredibly smug bullshit attitudes like how one guy recreated a scene from Lord of the rings in 15 minutes for about $8 while Peter Jackson took 6 weeks and several million to film it.

>>149490177
No its just commonplace for artists to make these now.

>>149483742
Is there porn?

>>149484974
>cool art my computer made
No AI slopper says that. It would give away that they didn’t do shit.

People joke but companies will keep pushing for A.I and automation until they don't need to hire anyone to do anything for most jobs in the next decades which will lead to a ton of unemployment.

I doubt the government handouts will be able to keep people living a quality life. That's why the elites are trying to prepare us to own nothing and to be happy about it. Shit is going to get a lot worse from now on.

>>149490322
according to ai shills thats okay because you get to be a coal miner now, everyone's dream

>>149490330
they will probably find a way to automate those too. Unless there's like a mandate where a company needs a certain percentage of their work force to be living humans than I don't see it stopping. Even the most menial jobs like will eb taken over by automation eventually, remember that one MC Donald's already ahs a few places with high automation so not even burger flippers and safe.

>>149490330
Robots can mine coal as well. But with a lower population they wouldn't even need to. I'm pretty sure they'll just kill us at that point.

>>149487894
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learn_to_Code
It has it's own wiki complete with sources. Anon is correct. The backlash to "learn to code" was a result of no one reading past the headline and filling in the blanks with malice and carrying it across topics because many posters are low info.

>>149488838
Animators, writers, cartoonists, voice actors, etc.

>>149490322
>People joke but companies will keep pushing for A.I and automation
To be perfectly honest I realized this shit was a pyramid scheme when I started seeing how many companies are filing H1B visas to import hordes of jeets rather than using the almighty "AI"

>>149490352
>>149490356
you're not supposed to expect automation to do the work that could kill you

>>149490402
It's both. Racing to the bottom with jeets and AI means things are getting even worse for educated American workers.

>>149490359
now learning to code doesn't get you as far as it used to since most low and mid level jobs are done by a.i or a senior using ai.
there's also the outsourcing problem. A jeet will work for 10 times less than your average first world programmer. On an interview with a jeet and wanted 15 dollars an hour as salary and he looked at me like I was asking for a million dollars salary.
>>149490402
the point is that the A.I won't do everything by itself but one decent programmer paired with it can do a lot more work. I even tested that using a.i to create a test personal back end project and even teste MCP (aka giving a.i access to figma designs and letting it build the front end element of the webpage)
which is why microssoft fired a bunch of people and why both it and elon want to hire as many pajeets as possible.

>>149490402
remember lad
A(ctually I(ndians)

>>149487277
https://youtu.be/9D3O_oMoGNc?si=AtGd64R0k6aoqwFo
Besides using the name of the show as an excuse for why Bigfoot keeps changing his appearance between shots due to AI limitations, the main gimmick of the show involves a broke, zoomer vlogger Bigfoot going into dangerous situations such as haunted houses and Freddy Fazbear’s to try and farm engagement. For some reason, the menaces there know he’s a recovering coke addict and try to get him to fall off the wagon so they can see him suffer.

>>149490445
automation has always been bit of a smokescreen for companies to replace workers with outsourcing or insourcing
i mean, automation did hurt factory workers, but not as much as shipping their work to china

>>149490322
Nothing was ever gonna be done about AI. The side against efficiency and technological change/progress is always the losing side, for better or worse. Kinda like how 95% of people were farmers until recent history and now like 3% of people are farmers. Same with decline of craftsmen. Art, media, and “intellectual labor”/white collar jobs are next on the chopping block. The only realistic thing that could stop it is energy constraints or the consumer economy starting to collapse if consumers can’t make enough money to buy things

>>149490466
>or the consumer economy starting to collapse if consumers can’t make enough money to buy things
well that is kind of my point. One day it will get to the point where people have nothing to fucking do or no way to improve their lives financially. What the fuck is gonna happen then, will the the government simply just gives gibs to everyone?

>>149486918
> They had a bad experience with an artist once so now they assume every artist is like that.
I think it’s more that they had a bad experience with art itself (like someone told them that their art sucks) so they just have this resentment towards artists in general

>>149490466
>The side against efficiency and technological change/progress
kind of like how every iteration of Windows has gotten worse since Windows 7

>>149490322
GO
INTO
TRADE
Or medical, we always need medical.
Seriously, for how much artists screech about money they sure don't want to look for a job.

the other girl is Rita Rocca.

I'm from Rome, don't have any pity for these people, they are horrible people.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Rocca

They talk only with people they can beg for a job, they are often rich people wo lives with family money.

I've seen people meme "/v/ hates video games" and all of that but the amount of sheer malice that /co/ seems to have regarding anything even vaguely artistic seems to be way exponentially greater than /v/'s infamy

>>149483662 (OP)
>>149483991
>WAAAAH! WAAAAH! I DIDN'T GET TO COLLAB ON A PROJECT I WASNT PAID FOR!
>I have a patreon and kofi btw
I'm glad I skipped to the end. What a waste of time it would have been if I had actually read all this shit.

>>149484704
>>149484999 (grapecheck'd)
AI is still soulless but entitled artists like this (and picrel ironically) deserve to seethe if they cant be bothered to just make their own shit

>>149490460
It's going to be interesting when robots get to the point they can work efficiently as factory workers.

>>149486723
Because porn makes your dick not work.

>>149490520
>GO
>INTO
>TRADE
They say they don't make any more land, but they sure aren't making any more houses either.

>>149490533
even compared to other boards, I think something about post-COVID /co/ is just... strange, really, I think this is genuinely the most low-functioning blue board on the site on a case-to-case basis with how unusually difficult it is to get any kind of context

>>149490565
Porn exploded my dick and I ended up having buy a mechnical one off some mad scientist in the deserts of Arizona. It's practically a pussy destroyer. Turns women's insides to mush with its magnum thrust.

>>149489510
Popular show = Low quality spam.
But also Naruto has less to work with. The women are nuns compared to One Piece and Bleach’s level of fanservice.

>>149483961
Looks like Alex Maleev on Daredevil.

>>149490545
it'll change a lot
i mean everyone thinks maintenance based jobs will always be safe but imagine a world where everything in your house and in your city is modular and instead of fixing something you just buy a new ready to fix toilet
people paying a guy to install something depends on entirely how lazy they are since install things would be easy as building legos

>>149490520
very few artists work in art related jobs and can still hate ai
also i only ever hear people who've never done trade work recommend it
as if they think becoming a plumber is as quick as taking a 40 hour course or that handymen get paid a lot, or that coal mining is a fulfilling job that everyone actually wants to do

not everyone should be going into medical either, you don't want healthcare workers who are just there for the money

>>149483673
>>149483690
>she didn't get payed
Even fucking jeets get payed for pushing out aishit

>>149490569
>>149490533
/v/ At least has some apolitical indies they can clutch through pirating or vids. /co/ doesn’t really have that since right-leaning or centrist productions either don’t exist or their greedy midwit creators don’t have digital versions of their books.

>>149490744
/v/ also isn't exclusively dedicated to western media, so lots of the people there who might hate western media will still have plenty of Asian games to discuss.

>>149483923
>20 yr old is shorter
weird how the line of adulthood keeps getting moved up

>>149483662 (OP)
This comic reminds me of that comic that woman did about how she had sex with a married professor and tried to make herself the victim

>>149490608
>he women are nuns compared to One Piece and Bleach’s level of fanservice.
Nun porn is its own genre though?

>>149490437
this looks like a shitty attempt to rip off artchungus meme pictures which were already shitty

>>149483662 (OP)
How the hell was someone fired and replaced when they were never being paid in the first place?

>>149490684
>you don't want healthcare workers who are just there for the money
Anon, I...

>>149490836
ask any unpaid intern

>>149490847
exactly

>>149483690
My lazy ass would not go that far for no money.

>>149483991
>alicerovai
>ai
So she ended up turning to AI art too? Jej.

Based
Get a real skill
AI is here to stay and artkeks can get fucked

>>149490836
The word “fired” does not appear in that image. The word “replaced” does. Those words don’t mean the same thing. You’re getting mad at someone for saying something they didn’t even say.

>>149490533
the bread and butter of /v/ consolewars, which means that people largely still have something that the earnestly like there and will defend
meanwhile ever since 2016 /co/ has been jampacked with narcissistic sociopaths who have no real ideologies or beliefs besides as much indiscriminate harm as possible, to the point of basically becoming unironic death cultists without realizing it

>>149483795
Hey, if a popular streamer picks up your videos to react you get "exposure" while they get the money.

>>149490533
/co/ has a lot of negativity like any board, but you only see shit at this level of
>I like comics and cartoons, drawn mediums created by artists
>I FUCKING HATE ARTISTS FUCKING KEK SHIT CUNTS DIE
in these AI threads. I think it’s very likely bots, otherwise why isn’t the drawthread or any other thread where artists post their art filled with hate for them?

>>149490989
ai shills don't actually like art
they can never explain why they like something, they can't remember liking something as a kid
whenever they bring up things "they like" its as if they used chatgpt to search up "what are good cartoons people like?"

>>149490989
I think there's genuine anti-liberal animosity because people's brains have been fried by political discourse that frames artist as an existential threat because they're often leftist, liberal, and/or gay.

>>149490989
Because drawthreads here are 99% thirsty fags spamming the same autistic/barely disguised porn request FOR FUCKING YEARS and 3 or so drawfags left

>>149491085
At this point /v/ has more dedicated drawfags than /co/.
And 90% of them are loli artists.

>>149484999
AI is the Antichrist but the Antichrist is a product of an already decadent society.

AI "art" flourishes in a society that makes worse than slop. Again, I blame "Death of the Author", the worst thing to happen to fiction writing. I will not budge with the Death of the Author stuff. If you do not reject it, you deserve the AI apocalypse.

>>149490877
>calls himself lazy
>when he's actually saying a very valid point
I believe that more artists need to get a mentality of "i EARNED this" instead of "i DESERVE this" if they want to make some bank out of their work

>>149491024
The funny thing about that is that /pol/ largely doesn’t like AI art either, since on a fundamental level it’s lacking in any expression of human spirit or values and can’t be celebrated as an achievement of the artist’s skill so Hitler would have hated it and called it degenerate, and on a more surface level because it’s spammed by Indians.

>>149488707
OK. I assume you had to work for free to get your foot in the door in your industry but I promise it is not the only option.

>>149485544
There are cases of AI being a tool but anything that is generative AI is not, it's just a slop generator. A tool is something a person can use, you can't use something that pumps out a finished product. When people complain about AIslop it's almost exclusively about gen AI because it really is just slop and the least impressive usage of the technology.

>>149490466
>The side against efficiency and technological change/progress is always the losing side
That's a retarded and naive view that completely ignores reality. Progress is not a straight upward line, people make short-sighted decisions that actually end up leaving you worse off all the time. We're living in a world of "planned obsolesce" efficiency was never the name of the game.

>>149487219
I keep seeing this shit pop up on facebook and I got instantly tired of it by the second video. They'll take a mildly amusing concept then drive that shit right into the goddamn ground just like with that fake documentary about humans.

>>149491197
Many /pol/ type like the idea of classical masters and reverence for classical beauty and art, but it's an aesthetic, it's surface level and it's used as a way to decry degeneracy. Notice how they adopt the low effort, ugly frog memes and wojak instead of rejecting them for being postmodern degen shit.

>>149490166
> It's not one's first drawing to look weird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbvYeLxMKN8&ab_channel=BrunoBressam

>>149491431
NTA but it can't be said enough that taxes billionaires and mega corporations should be widely accepted on the grounds in which they are profit driven to make things worse for workers and consumers. Having taxes as and offset and working it to provide incentives to do better for workers and consumers would be ideal, but it would upset investors.

>>149487990
AIfags are neither since they aren't creative nor do they do actual work.

>>149490989
>>149491085
AI and drawfags ruined this board.

>>149488968
AI is objectively not art tho.

>>149491921
>lumps in artists for no reason
>ai is bad but so are artists!
Okay shill, i see your game

>>149483896
>The artist is wrong to be pissed about being replaced with the plagiarism regurgitator
Fuck you.

>>149484014
it's basically a russian roulette, you are gonna get a lot of shit before getting an actually good pic

>>149483918
>remplace
French?

Can you take your twitter tranny faggot drama back to twitter?

>>149492454
sure, get back to twitter tranny faggot

Only downside with AI we won't see these shitty trauma dump comics anymore.
They bring some of the best /co/ edits and OCs.

I'd say AIfags should kill themselves but I don't think Indians and techbros actually have the self-awareness that would enable them to make the decision to do that.

>>149490758
So whose fault is that then? You're admitting Western cartoonists suck ass and have done nothing fix their reputation?

If anything western cartoons continue to double down on the hatred. They keep pushing more propaganda, more gayness. Is it really a surprise this board now reflects it?

>>149493211
@grok is this true?

>>149493402
YOU will consume subpar western art and YOU will like it.
YOU will have YOUR standards lowered.

>>149490744
Shit like Rippaverse does exist.
/co/ just refuses to talk about it/bans them outright.

>>149493402
>continue to double down on the hatred.
You're blaming them for the hatred of other's? How does that make sense.

Also
>continues
>keep pushing
That was 5 years ago you fucking retard. Since then execs have been cracking down more on gay shit their creatives want to do.

Years ago Disney came out and said the problem with their terrible movies is not that they're terrible but because the cost of making the movies was too high. AI is going to be used and is being used to replace the people who have no creative control. These AI dumbos still think that AI is going to get rid of all the woke people but in reality it's just going to be used to make everything more woke. In a couple years from now Disney will be able to crank out a Star wars movie every week for a few million and they'll make a fortune from it, because all you AI cultural warriors will go see it to complain about it on your YouTube channels that are dying thanks to AI. It's kind of laughable to see how business illiterate AI people are, they really don't understand anything but magic computer means that they win against evil woke people. They still do not understand the economics of content forms production cost or anything related to actual cost of making things. They think they're above and removed from the consequences of AI, it's like the quartering crying that his channel's dying and can't figure out why

>>149493573
Since when was it banned? It's just so shitty the only thing to talk about is the manufactured drama. It's fake, boring, dumb and really the only way to have a productive conversation is to talk about why it exists and what does it mean that this got a boost from Fox News. It's /pol/ at that point.

>>149483866
That's as many as eight tens. And that's terrible.

>>149493402
Ehh, I'm not disagreeing with you, my point was that /v/ has both western fans and eastern fans, even someone who hates all western/eastern stuff is still going to find something they're into when it comes to video games, and they might go to /v/ to discuss it, if they can stomach all the shitposting.
/co/ is dedicated to comics and cartoons, so if you're not really into the current output of western media, then there's not much to discuss outside of old stuff.
It's part of why /co/ has so many schizos; they're desperately trying to find *something* interesting to talk about that isn't just trawling through the generals full of 14 year olds talking about TADC/Hazbin/Death Battle, and the only other threads that get any activity are ragebait threads and twatter post threads, so it's understandable that the board is in its current state.

>>149492030
AI further facilitated spam and introduced even more off-topic shit (and Twitter threads like this one), on top of being an absolute eyesore, but drawfaggotry is arguably worse. So many terrible threads are made just to bait needy drawfags. Then the art actually produced in most of these threads is shit. You should be defending good art, not just any art.

>>149493402
why does

every bot

space their

posts like

this anyway

>>149493402
good artists also hate ai
ai can still be used by people you don't like

>>149489096
The biggest red flag was not paying or no compensation. An artist at heart would pay, or willing to pay anything. hose who have the heart and don’t, are ones who take advantage. This sounds like idea guy scenario tho. A rich one or well connected if they were able to land an exhibition in Italy.

Artist need to stop teaming up with idea guys, writing being so accessible, easy to think they have an artistic voice or vision.

Do Indians know everyone despises them?

>>149494259
Yeah. A government worker posted against mixed race marriages and said we need to normalize Indian hate. He was fired and then rehired because Vice President Vance said, and I quote, "eat my jeet children alive, Peter Thiel pays me too much to give a fuck about anything". So yeah, it's pretty normalized.

>>149484999
Not even experiences. It's literally turdies who don't think the should pay for anything be it art, video games, movies, anime, whatever. They hate artists because they have to pay to commission shit and love AI because they have a million ways to scam free proompting from it.

>>149494145
Repeating what you said isn't going to make an Apple be an Orange.

>>149494419
good artists hate ai too

>>149485526
Art, like any other avenue of human endeavour, requires a tolerance for failure and dead ends if you're ever going to get anything good. For every successful airframe, there were a dozen prototypes that crashed or never flew. Similarly, for every beautiful or interesting final work, there are a dozen experiments or practice pieces that are sketchy and unfinished at best.

Pointing at fan art, or modern art, or abstract art, or amateur art, or outsider art and going "Look at this garbage! These artists suck, how dare they ask for support when THIS is what they produce!" is like pointing at how many failed engineering projects and miswritten math problems there are declaring that mathematicians and scientists are a bunch of lazy fucks who shouldn't get handouts. You can't get the wheat without the chaff, and if you try, you'll end up with nothing BUT chaff; just an endless sea of the same styles, the same poses, the same faces and designs, forever, because you refuse to engage with or support anything that experiments or tries to venture from the established formula.

Respect for AI finally giving these petit-bourgeois artists what they deserve
insh'allah we finally get all money and financial incentives out of art by rendering it worthless and only people with something to say will make it

>>149494579
ah yes, big tech has always been the friend of the common man
literally anyone can be an artist
in poor countries online commissions has been a boon

You know, every single one of these threads is never wow AI can make stuff for me I'm so happy it's always hahaha artists are losing their jobs and they're woke trannys. I used to watch a lot of videos about AI. I used to be one of the biggest supporter. Now I just find the whole community to be just bitter people who are jealous of the most insane things. I remember watching a vehicle one guy was drooling over the idea people that could drive cars being obsolete because he didn't have a car, or the guy talking about how coders are going to be homeless because hey I could do coding and how he didn't need to learn anything related to computers because AI was better. Honestly I think most of these AI people just generally are shut-ins who are scared of the outside world or trying to do anything. They don't seem to want a future where AI does everything for you and makes your life easy they seem to want to Future where everyone is equally miserable and unemployed. They don't even seem to want to use AI to make anything they just want other people to have a hard life as well

>>149483662 (OP)
Would she have had the exact same reaction if the friend had replaced her with another artist?
Would it have been worse?

>reads comic
tl;dr "I started work on a project but got lazy and spent years with my thumb up my butt, so the person who was working with me gave up on me (because I'm trash) and did it themselves with the modern tools available and now I am mad for no reason and decided to be a petty vindictive bitch about it and paint myself as the victim"
Wow... cool I guess

>>149492649

>>149494598
did you even read my post

>>149494611
>They don't seem to want a future where AI does everything for you and makes your life easy they seem to want to Future where everyone is equally miserable and unemployed.
Why did you leave out the people who have a job and AI is making them rich? Did you forget Plumbers still exist? Or Farmers? Or self made businesses?
I'm seeing a pattern. Successful people will always be successful. If you're a one trick pony whose only purpose in life was to draw scribbles then you never contributed anything to society.
Relevant people will be happy and carry on just fine.

>>149494667
Probably be sad about it, idk comic worthy. Be better than this.

She should sue, the friend didn’t commission or anything. If she did pay then wouldn’t able to sue.

>>149494667
Unfortunately, thinking is not the greatest skill for many artists.

She rather be cucked by another human being instead of using AI to impress her friend and get her job back. Many such cases.

>>149494728
>Artists should just get real jobs
Cool, so you don't want there to actually be any comics and cartoons any more then? Except ones made by AI, presumably.

>>149494728
Yeah yeah I heard that crap before about ai going to make you rich, also AI is going to be free for everyone. And then Google just said AI videos don't get money and so did x. So let's cut the nonsense plus they've had a subscription cost so we all know where this is going, I know you're going to sit there and try to pretend it's not going that way but once AI gets good enough they're going to remove it from your availability. They're going to pay all the crap out of the thing, I know you're going to respond with but you can run it locally and yeah you can't but you're not going to get the real good models those are going to be paywalled up. AI tech Bros sit there and ignore what's happening right in front of them, content farms are going to be targeted to you and they're going to spam everything it's already happening. You don't have to be very smart to look 3 years down the road and see where this is going 60% of all internet traffic right now is bot, meta is injecting AI bots into their platforms to fake being people. There are not going to be any people on the internet anymore the internet is going to be 100% automated. They're turning the internet into cable television. The whole goal of AI is not to make your little dreams come true and stop those evil woke artists it is to turn the clock back to make the internet into cable television will you pay a subscription to use an AI model that will do everything for you online. And then you can go and break your back crawling under houses trying to reconnect sewer lines. If you want to spend the next 20 years of your life working as a blue collar laborer competing against other people doing the same things working the dirtiest jobs for the lowest pay because guess what everyone's going to be doing that then go right ahead

>>149494817
Um sweetie, there where barely any new comics and cartoons to begin with. What where the artists doing for the past decade? Just sitting on their ass?
I rather read an AI comic book since it actually exists and wont take a gorillion years to make.

>>149494713
i did
and ai does the opposite
it lets people with nothing to say the ability to flood shit

>>149494728
okay but why is it a problem to you that people expect ai to make life easier for them?

>>149494859
why are you even on a board for cartoons when you hate cartoons

>>149494859
You still don't get artists have no creative control over the production of a lot of the content you consume. The people who draw those terrible comics are often times a person in the Philippines is getting paid very little you are replacing their job you are not replacing the woke writer. You still cannot get through your tiny little brain that the producer / director/bigmoneypeople are the ones deciding what gets made. It is not the little artist drawing on their little tablets. You may hate them you may call them all the names in the world and you may enjoy them losing their jobs but you're still not getting the content you want why because you're targeting the people who don't matter. Look what Microsoft just did they laid off 9,000 employees. Were they all woke hipsters no they were just regular folk. You think you're above those regular white collar workers. You're in the same damn boat and you're too stupid to understand it's always been about lowering the cost of production not changing the content.

>>149494859
>citing a graph of declining TV audiences due to streaming as proof there are less comics and cartoons
Ok, you’re just trolling, the frog should really have tipped me off.

>>149494917
ai shills love corporations

>>149494898
But it did make life easier? You can use ChatGPT to write cinematic stories. You can use Suno to make music. You can use Dall-E to make beautiful Pixar like images. Nobody has to pay millions of dollars or take out expensive school loans to master these subjects anymore. If artists fail to adapt that's their problem, not mine.

>>149494941
asking chatgpt doesn't mean you are writer, it means you are now consuming scripts written by ai
people want automation to clean their houses, pave their roads, and mine the coal
you think it's wrong to believe that

>>149494917
They know and still do this every day because it gets a rise out of people

>>149483918
>No AI will ever remplace human work.
He doesn't know

>>149494859
Even these filenames feel like they're coming from a bot firm

>>149494941
The stupid idiot has entered the room, open AI is on the verge of bankruptcy depending on a deal that is not coming through with SoftBank, suno is getting sued to hell and every single AI image generator is about to lose to Disney when they win the mid journey case. They're going to screw you over, it is not about little people using AI That's just to get the foot in the door it's about the big money players having control over labor cost. This whole AI generation thing has been a ginormous corporate backed scam to get the dummies into the room to cut their heads off. You're fighting against artists and you think that they're the enemy while the big corporations take the data make the money and set everything up to screw you. You're about to get your head stomped in and you're not even going to know what hit you. This is always been about control it's about controlling the content. Remember YouTube used to be free and open and you can post anything you want it now you can't. Remember when all these social media platforms are brand new and fun and you could find people well now you can't and yet you dummies think that AI is not going to go the same way. All of a sudden big tech that has been screwing you over for decades is now the good guy because they're giving you candy before they take you to the van like they always do

>>149494876
then re-read it again because clearly you haven't understood
yes this is what I'm saying and I'm saying it's a good thing

>>149494981
>asking chatgpt doesn't mean you are writer, it means you are now consuming scripts written by ai
So why are artists ripping their hair out if all these tools were "fake"?
Just admit it, if a robot can write a better story or movie script than humans then the robot is a better writer. Same with music and pictures.
If you can draw a better Star Butterfly pic in 30 seconds you would be a professional and having nothing to fear. But if your art sucks then there goes your commissions because the robot is superior.

Alright let's send this thread to the Page 10 toilet already

ladies and gentlemen, this thread
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>>149495072
yo, how do i learn to use free a.i to make my smut for free?

We are doomed as a whole, at least in the US anyway. The government is and has been working on the behalf of corporations to replace as many jobs as possible with AI. Anyone that can't be readily replaced will be replaced by H1-B visa workers. This is also so stupid because eventually enough people will have nothing to lose and there will be a violent revolution with these fuckers having their heads on pikes.

>>149495084

>>149484036
well loki did take horse cock as a woman when he transformed..... cant blame the bitch

>>149495052
i did, you still have a very unnuanced understanding of art and commerce

>>149495109
Soulless vs soul

>>149495131
you are blinded by nostalgia

Real question for any AIfags/bots to answer: What do think the future will look like? What do you want it to look like? Because I see people saying shit like
>Just learn a trade bro
But only 12 million out of 250 million adults in the US work in trades. We don’t need 250 million tradesmen. Robotics has already and will continue to mean less jobs in industry. AI can automate away most white collar office busywork just like it’s coming for the creative industries. If you think the corpos who are pushing AI to cut their own staffing costs will want to pay higher taxes to enable everyone they lay off to live a comfy life on gibs I think you’re in for a very nasty surprise, and when unemployment goes through the roof and nobody has any disposable income come, that’s bad news for your business even if you have a job.

>>149495088
Get Stable Diffusion and train some Loras. You'll never have to commission an artist again when you can prompt your waifu in any position.

>>149495109
I wish I had that wojak mindvirus theory an anon had talked about, it's weird that this shit has lasted so long AND seems to attract the most insane people

>>149495172
Elastigirl

>>149495072
>if a robot can write a better story or movie script than humans then the robot is a better writer. Same with music and pictures.
It can't and you know it. All the art you gen is fan art of properties were written 100% by humans. It's been 3 years and outside of novel curiosities we still have no good original AI made property. I don't even care about AI art but don't lie about AI being a better writer until there's an AI generated scripted series people are unironic fans of.

>>149495169
>We don’t need 250 million tradesmen.
Boomers are going to retire soon. We will always need more tradespeople who can build and repair nursing homes for them. Now get to work boy and start digging.

>>149495072
if ai is so good why are you even talking to people online? go talk to the chat bot

>>149495148
I was born in 2005...

>>149495216
Rapunzel

>>149495172
yeah but stable diffusion doesn't seem to be free

>>149495223
nostalgia under capitalism doesn't imply having lived in the period, just being fed imagery from then
millenials are nostalgic for the 80s
you're nostalgic for ragecomics because they were from the """good old times"""

>>149495216
And who’s going to fund those nursing homes, OpenAI?

>>149495239
Who told you that? Go download SDXL and run it locally on your PC.

>>149495253
>you're nostalgic for ragecomics because they were from the """good old times"""
Or maybe they just don't look insanely repulsive

>>149495260
Public grants, local and state contributions, private investments.

>>149495276
>they just don't look insanely repulsive
Yeah that. The pink wojaks look disgusting. Their rage comic counterparts look funny.

>>149495315
and where are they gonna get that money from?

>>149495275
alright ill look into that.

>>149495315
So taxes, mostly. And when AI means less people employed, there is less tax revenue, or taxes have to go up for people who still have a job.

>>149495210
>It's been 3 years and outside of novel curiosities we still have no good original AI made property
LOL. You Luddites just never learn. Do you?

>Untilted.png
So is this some kind of bot that's just screenshotting and pasting images?

>>149495353
Society still runs fine without homeless bums. Just because you're a poverty leech on society doesn't mean there wont still be other rich people running around and managing things.

>>149495374
yeah I've always been curious about that, it's not the sort of filename you get when you do home + prt sc, using ShareX, etc., hence why I don't believe there's a real person on the other side of the "conversation"

>>149483662 (OP)
>Every page following is just a wall of words
I ain't reading allat

>>149495419
>>149495374

>>149495354
I don't know if you even have a brain cell, if AI gets as good as they're talking about you're fucked just as much as everybody else. I don't care that you have your little Avi girlfriend and you sit there masturbating all day you do know your government benefits will disappear because there will be no money for them, you do know your little AI money making scheme is going to get taken away it's already happening dummy. I'm going to explain this in simple words all human beings are luddites. Unless you have several billion dollars you are going to get run over just like everyone else.We entering a tech feudalism society. All the good jobs are going to go away and everyone's going to be little peasants entrepreneurs do you know how to grow your own vegetables buddy. Do you live in the woods no you're going to starve to death bum because there's not going to be in government to save you. You're running to your own death because you're so stupid that you think you're part of a winning group into the immortal words it's a big club and you're not part of it

>>149495407
It can function when the unemployment rate is around 5% like it is now. Come back to me when it’s 25% or more like during the great depression and say that again. Because if you think artists are the only people AI is coming for, you are sorely mistaken.

>>149495374
>>149495419
Seems like those posts flagged some kind of keyword response

>>149495354
>Series adaptation of a human made comic
>AI wasn't even for used forwriting, it was just AI effects, something that's already been done before
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, might want to use Chatgpt to do the heavy lifting for you
Try again

>>149495459
On the off chance that you're responding to an actual human, you have to realize that, again, these people are actual death cult faggots who have no real endgame besides hoping that every man, woman, and child gets obliterated by the ALMIGHT AI because they realized their precious WW3 is never happening

>>149495461
Did I stutter? Homeless bums never controlled infrastructure. In fact, AI will save a lot of money when it can plan, manage and organize new projects faster than a Human pencil pusher would. So keep crying, society will exist without you and the "25%".

>>149490359
>the backlash is what (((experts))) say it is

>>149495544
>have sources there
>can find more sources if necessary
Did you only read the headlines and get caught up in the memes? It's okay, you're anonymous.

>>149495477
2 years ago the thought of AI being used anywhere in professional TV was seen as impossible. Today the technology is already here.
Yall cant keep denying it forever. Fully ai generated movies and cartoons are clearly coming.

>>149485062
>writing more noticeable with it quirks.
>Your words slice through the air like a keyblade through toilet paper. "That's… interesting," he purrs, but the smile never reaches his eyes.
This shit was TRAINED on fanfiction.

>>149495538
Well, all I can say is good luck, frogposter, because when unemployment gets that high you can bet there’ll either be some kind of violent revolution or people will vote in some kind of radical socialist government who won’t be too kind to the billionaire tech bros.

My favorite takeaway of this thread is that human engagement is still considered ontologically more worthwhile than bot engagement, a complete contradiction of AIjeet propaganda

>>149495374
Real posters smash their fingers on the keyboard to make filenames.

>>149495407
so we just end up like brazil?
i guess its a "functional" society but this level of wealth inequality fucking sucks.
also what makes you think you'll be rich?
is it really worth being rich if you can't even walk through most of the country?

>>149495538
you think homeless people just stop being a factor to society because you ignore them? how stupid are you

>>149495604
> because when unemployment gets that high you can bet there’ll either be some kind of violent revolution or people will vote in some kind of radical socialist government who won’t be too kind to the billionaire tech bros.
Not when we deploy robots with 100% aimbot hacks activated. You aint stopping progress you homeless bum.

>>149495590
>2 years ago the thought of AI being used anywhere in professional TV was seen as impossible.
False, it was used in Marvels secret wars and a dog and his boy, both came out in 2023 but neither were particularly liked and were just novel gimmicks.
Aren't you supposed to be the AI expert? you should know this.

>>149495611
It's the most ironic shit:
>I DON'T WANNA TALK TO BOTS! THEIR ANGER ISN'T REAL!
Good work admitting that simulated shit just doesn't have real appeal

>>149495643
Since when did rich people walk through the favelas? They have their own malls, restaurants, swimming pools far away from the rift rafts. And Brazil is a big country. Lots of living space for the successful to enjoy life and have fun.

>>149485667
>Analogy is a form of rhetoric
Analogy is an illustrative device to explain that which is not already perceptibly understood, it is not a cudgel for retards to force an outcome

>>149495690
And the quality of AI is far better than Marvel Secret Wars. Not to mention we now have entire TV commercials made with AI.

>>149495713
they don't, that's the point
in a good society there wouldn't even be favelas
being rich in a 3rd world country fucking sucks compared to being middle class in america when america was a good country
there's a reason why so many third worlders used all their money to come to the west
a society with wealth equality actually has a future compared to the shitholes where rich people are always in fear of their family being ransomed

>>149495745
tell me when there's a better star wars than the original trilogy

>>149495713
>the bright shining future of AI is for everywhere to be like South Africa
At last, I truly see Elon’s vision.

>>149495697
So is that the endgame of AIfags?
Deploy LLMs in their threads so they're arguing with bots forever?
That's the future they REALLY want?

>>149495745
Sure....but still no good stories which is my point main point, not just gimmicks. It's not that AI can't write stories, but if you actually browse places where people generate things it's either porn, fan art or just dicking around. Sure maybe it's enough for you but do we still have to turn to a human if we want something that won't be forgotten with in a week?

>>149495847
Funny part is that future is basically now, since organic traffic has nosedived while the proportional amount of bot posts has increased

>>149495931
What happened here? Site got hacked? kek

>bot filename

Jesus mods, do your job

So will the popping be even worse than the dot-com bubble?

>>149486889
The annual Fumetto Comic Art Festival and the biannual Romics event.

>>149496482
Google has been around since the 90s. The biggest companies will survive just fine.

borg post, btw

Assimilate my dong, unimatrix child

Luckily there's always Desu, since the retarded bots aren't programmed to go there

>>149483880
Sorry bub, I code. My job is 100% safe.