Thread 149486846

Is this what you wanted, /co/? I hope the death of artistic expression as a livelihood was worth pwning people you disagreed with! I bet once prompt tech gets good enough you’ll just bee-boop comics where your faves get all the glaze.

He's a troon who worked for free and is using this comic to beg for commissions.

How much could a tin of pencils and a block of paper cost? Just make your own art, stop needing others to fund your lifestyle.

Most attacks against artists are strawmen
AI IS trash that is making everything worse

you already made this thread and it's still up

>>149486902
>Most attacks against artists are strawmen
kek hoisted by their own petard, very noice.

>>149486902
Yeah but he is a troon

>>149486846 (OP)
I bet your friend doesn't even believe you're a real woman.

>>149486846 (OP)
Wonder what will happen once people stop operating at a loss and force normies to pay for AI slop

>>149487594
Second renaissance where prompt niggas are forced to somehow out do one another

>>149486846 (OP)
>always wanted to be an artist
>would get bullied out of every circle I’d join for being too much of a heckin heterosexual cis man
>now get to see these people have their entire way of life destroyed in real time
feelsgoodman.jpg

>>149486846 (OP)
I've read it, they sounded like a naive brat.

>>149486846 (OP)
>Beanmouth-esque art style
And nothing of value was lost

>>149486902
This. It’s mostly contrarians and shitposters that are astroturfing its ability

>>149486846 (OP)
>>149486902
>>149487754
This is sadly painting artists as violent luddites by default
Within a year I expect open comparisons to Ted Kaczynski, and the strawman that modern atrists would consider a terrorist bombing of an AI data center to be "performance art"

>>149487797
>pls do the needful and love the ai saar!!11
Giving In*ia internet access was humanitys biggest mistake of the century.

>>149486846 (OP)
I did the same thing to my friend I fucking hate art fags

>>149487819
It's an augmentation, a tool, not a replacement
The only person who views it as a replacement, is one who already hated to do any harder work themselves
Why should I trust someone who says you can only value their work if it's immediately destroyed after viewing and saving it from right-click is considered piracy by them?

>>149486846 (OP)
Why did you make another thread, but with a twatter screencap? >>149483662

>>149487832
And how do you know that?

>>149487819
Don't be racist.

>>149487829
>hating artists
>on a comics board
Don't be a nigger.

>>149487846
I'm not racist. You can't be racist to non-humans.

>>149487846
>Don't be a nigger.
In my defense he had a month to deliver

>>149487846
>And how do you know that?
Pattern recognition among artists, they're all moving towards a more transient model that demonizes you for preserving their work
I suspect they're being radicalized slowly, into hating every act of artistic preservation, restoration, or transformative modification of what they consider "the original"
This is why I think they will start espousing Unabomber beliefs

No one would have read Lord of the Rings if you could have ChatGPT'd an infinite amount of similar stories in the 15 years it took Tolkien to write it.

>>149486902
>AI IS trash that is making everything worse
Things were getting worse before AI.

>>149487797
There's nothing wrong with opposing bad technology. Unless of course the position is theological, where technology can only produce good things and any bad things are a corruption of that good.

>>149487899
If Tolkien didn't write it, chatgpt wouldn't have anything to get (((inspired))) by.

>>149487927
It has access to all the same information that Tolkien had, and more. It can read every book about philology, English history and mythology, in seconds.

>>149487935
And proof of this:
>>Without taking anything from Lord of the Rings, create a summary of Lord of the Rings using ONLY the knowledge and inspiration OF Lord of the Rings (the Kalevala, etc)

>Certainly. Here's a summary of The Lord of the Rings created without referencing the text itself, but instead drawn solely from its key influences, including the Kalevala, Norse mythology, Old English literature, and medieval Catholic cosmology. The result is a mythic retelling in the mood and mode that inspired Tolkien, rather than a literal summary.

>Title: The Doom of the World-Jewel

>Summary:

>In the elder days of the fading world, when the tongues of men were still young and the speech of trees not yet forgotten, a great Power who once served the Highest broke his oath and wrought for himself a treasure: a jewel forged in secret fire, to bind the wills of others. This gem, dark and burning, held within it a portion of his might, and through it he sought dominion over all free peoples.

>Long did he rise in shadow, but not unopposed. Elves, tall and sorrowful, wise in song and memory, made war with him. Dwarves, proud in craft, turned from his offers. Men, who were younger than both, faltered—and some served. Yet in a time of wrath and ruin, the dark Power was cast down, though his gem was not unmade. It was taken by a king of men, whose pride grew, and so the doom of the jewel passed into the race of mortals.

It goes on after this, but you get the point.

>>149487935
And you can be given access to indoor plumbing, a real toilet and toilet paper. That doesn't mean you know how to shit anywhere but the designated shitting street.

>>149487951
>i have a financial interest in claiming this, but i would never lie to you
okay

>>149487978
>dude, someone's going to spend 15 years writing a story like lord of the rings when ai can just do it in 15 minutes because
>THEY JUST WILL
>and people will actually read this story that took 15 years to write rather than just consume the slop that they can get now because
>THEY JUST WILL

Generative AI can’t make images of something that doesn’t already exist, and it can’t make the same thing twice with any consistency. There’s a difference between true creativity and synthesis of existing intellectual properties, and it can only do the latter, and people don’t seem to understand the difference. I suppose if you just draw stuff like XJ9 and Princess Peach with huge tits and asses for a living it would affect your livelihood. If you’re genuinely trying to innovate and bring a new idea or aesthetic to table the technology is pretty much useless. I haven’t bothered with it myself, not out of some dogmatic Butlerian Jihad statement about artistic integrity, but simply because it couldn’t possibly do what I would want to ask it to do

>>149487997
>Generative AI can’t make images of something that doesn’t already exist
Just like humans then

>>149488011
>what are egregores, cargo cults and false idols made of wood

>>149488040
Your imagination is defined by your worldy experiences, just like LLMs with image data sets. Unless you believe in early Plato metaphysics where abstract conciousness is devorced from the material world, LLM image generation and human artististy is compareble.

>>149488061
>artistry*

>>149488061
I do though

>>149488061
This isn't true if you actually look at how creatives talk about where they get their ideas. They don't go "[this] plus [that]" because they don't actually know. History is full of breakthroughs that don't "make sense" in the "[this] plus [that]" framework.

And even if you take the position that everything humans have created is just "[this] plus [that]" ten you have to explain how the first [this] was imagined, and how the first [that] was imagined, and how the creation came about from it.

>>149488083
>This isn't true if you actually look at how creatives talk about where they get their ideas
This is not about ancedotes, what I am describing is the material function of how imagination typically works. It is not a + b, thats too reductive. It is far more complex than that
>you have to explain how the first [this] was imagined, and how the first [that] was imagined, and how the creation came about from it.
You conciousness processes physical stimuli which formulates memory and abstraction

>>149488083
>Human sees thing.
>Human reproduces thing through some means.
>Human alters reproduction of thing somewhat for stylistic purposes.
>Human combines properties of several things and alters them to represent thing that doesnt exist or that human hasnt seen but knows the concept of.
>Inspiration affects how human alters and combines thing.

>>149488085
The material world is finite, consciousness is infinite and can imagine anything, even that which is illogical, impossible and retarded. No one would intentionally build an artificial mind that’s a fucking retard, it would be counterproductive to the whole reason of building it in the first place

>>149488083
Friendly reminder that you're arguing with a poo using chatgpt to give the impression he's smart. Just keep going, the bot will eventually start returning garbled non-answers and the poo will tuck tail and run, utterly defeated and humiliated. With a bit of luck he will also be deprived of a days pay for loosing the shill argument.

>>149488139
>The material world is finite, consciousness is infinite and can imagine anything, even that which is illogical, impossible and retarded
Defined by the parameters of the physical world, yes. Your worldly experiences.

>>149488100
But this isn't comparable at all. To stick with Lord of the Rings, you can't have it produce the Ents, because they came from childhood disappointment. AI doesn't have a childhood, and it can't feel disappointed, so how would it produce "the ents" as they exist and everyone loves? Luck, maybe?

>>149488118
>Inspiration
This is the problem. Inspiration is not a matter of input. You can't quantify "melancholy" that might be the main driver of a story's creation. How do you prompt AI to factor in the loneliness that goes with a death of a loved one?
>Generate a story about people drifting apart, taking into account that time in your childhood when you saw a friend lose another friend, who you didn't know, when that other child's parents move away.
I mean.. What?

If you know what "is" you know what is "not". Opposites and inverses. Possible and impossible.

>>149488177
Literature is different. I am arguing in terms of 2d art

>>149488152
>implying you understand the rules of the physical world enough to imagine how you could break them

>>149487997
To generate without using banks of pre-existing data, would require a native visual modeling synthesis engine.
That engine would have to generate a physical model of every visual element separately by generating complex mathematical equations and calculations of each in real time

>>149488204
>>149488179

>>149487878
No actual stats or examples?
And this is all dependent on you being right that AI counts as preservation, and the alteration will not leed to bastardisation

>>149487861
>cr-cr-cry about it!
You got nuffink lad.

>>149487860
The very act of polluting the environment like you stereotype them all for doing - literally leaving shit everywhere - is a markedly human trait, and buddy other countries are only marginally better in the grand scheme of things so get off your high horse.

Honestly, AI is probably going to replace any and all generic, mindless productions made for kids or general audiences. Soon the only artists working will be the ones making weird/niche/fucked up stuff while everything else drowns in a deluge of AI slop.
I can't say I feel too beat up about it since I don't have much connection to modern western animation or comics anyways, and most of the eastern stuff I'm into isn't really big mainstream stuff or stuff aimed at kids anyways.

>>149488467
For me I am most interested in the 3D scene as a modeller. That is a massively untapped field that is living out the SD early days when that was first publically released and unrefined. There is so many applications or potential societal detrimental impact from that.

>>149486846 (OP)
>Transwoman named Alice

You gotta be kidding me. Do they do this shit on purpose?

>>149486846 (OP)
He's a negro worshipping cuckold so who gives a shit about his worthless faggot opinions.

>>149486846 (OP)
Lmao who cares?
Get fucked tumblr freaks

I read the """comic""". It's a few doodles and five pages of large sized text. Saying that she was working on some project with a friend, made dev sketches and storyboards, then the friend took the work and maybe used it as a reference point for AI to make more work while blocking Alice.

I don't know what she means by "she took the art", because this person works entirely digital, so it's not as if the sketches are lost or something.

But this person is just a generic shipping artist who draws comics about men in love while making gay and trans pride flag stickers and getting mad at JK Rowling for "ruining her childhood", so it's no wonder that AI was able to replicate such an NPC personality.

>>149488424
The botched restorations of those old paintings and statues were not done by AI

>>149488515
The same organisation that gives you the image on the right, gives you the tools to make the image on the left. You just need to ask "why?", and "who benefits?"

>>149488467
>AI is probably going to replace any and all generic, mindless productions made for kids or general audiences. Soon the only artists working will be the ones making weird/niche/fucked up stuff while everything else drowns in a deluge of AI slop.
Cool, so no actually transcendent art?

>>149488602
Of course not, AI was never going to be capable of that because AI is entirely corporate-owned.
The people coping about local models only ever use them to generate a deluge of slop porn that they spam boorus with like the parasites they are.

>>149487997
you have to realize that most people are incredibly excited for all movies, tv shows, and video games to just be synthesis of existing intellectual properties

>>149488607
And people will only be making "weird/niche/fucked up stuff" so nothing beautiful from them either.

>>149488631
Who says something can't be weird, fucked up, and beautiful at the same time?

>>149488655
Is it still going? I want to read it, but fuck no if I'm starting on yet another ongoing.

>>149488655
>posts the pedophile manga as an example
You and that child-molesting gook mangaka can just drop dead. Nothing is "beautiful" about that freak's degenerate work. If I find out who you are, I will beat your head in you sick fuck. Stay far away from school zones. Better yet, what's your parole officer's number? Need him to scoop your pedo ass of the streets. I thought this was a reasonable debate until you posted.

>>149488753
Yep, still ongoing. If you're lucky it'll be done before 2028.

>>149488795
>participates in the discussion of ethics on AI slop
>backs a pedophile's work to do so
Hold a mirror up and you'll turn to stone.

>>149488819
And this is why you, your friends, and everything you enjoy will be replaced by a deluge of AI slop.

>>149488538
Yea, I hate AIshit, but I don't feel like it's much of a loss if this person stops making art.

>>149488011
>>149488061
So it's pretty obvious that fedoratippers have gone full mask off and revealed themselves to be religious crackpots that worship "AI" as a god, innit?

>>149486846 (OP)
Bad, untalented people are easily replaced, nothing new

>>149486846 (OP)
>>149483662
Every single time something bad happens in the tech sector you end up with a (((sudden))) shitpost wave on /co/, so I'm waiting to see what happened this time

>>149489104
No. I am pointing out how stupid that line of argument is with how LLMs only copy and how humans don't. That's the point. I don't even like AI art lmao

>>149489165
There's a new AI assistant on Twatter and System Of A Down used AI to generate promo art.

>>149489178
>System Of A Down used AI to generate promo art.
Wait...they are still making music? That's more shocking to me

>>149489197
Not as shocking as the levels of layers of obscurantism and dancing around that turn SOAD's use of it into a universal issue for all artists

>>149486846 (OP)
It's funny how 8.9M+ views sounds like a whole lot but then you actually look at the real engagement numbers and realize that this shit is way smaller than you think it is

>>149488784
>2028
I'm okay with that. I got a 5 TB backlog. Currently reading Dungeon Meshi and having a fucking blast. And yes, a manly tear was shed when Falin was resurrected.

>>149489263
Twitter metrics are wholly worthless because 80 percent of the entire website is bots. Take those away and it's a fucking ghost town.

>>149487594
I'd like to see them raise my rates for open source software on my gpu

>>149489960
Your open source software is meaningless because you only use it to generate porn and nothing else.

>>149489197
...they make MUSIC?!

>>149487912
Yeah but you can always make a fire worse by just straight up pouring gasoline on it. The slopification of society which already existed has been put into overdrive precisely because of it.

>>149489176
That's the thing though, even whenever a human copies something it's always filtered through their own particular lens that AIslop can't really replicate.