Thread 149496698

What did you think of it?

>>149496698 (OP)
James Levine is an uncharismatic substitute for Leopold Stokowski (LEOPOLD!)

They should have taken more risks with the music choices (The Rite of Spring was still “modern” music for 1940 audiences) and the subject matter. Fantasia is Disney’s artsy-fartsy experiment that didn’t make any money until he was dead, this needed at least something that felt edgy.

>>149496698 (OP)
Didn't care for it.

It's completely mediocre.

>None of the shorts are as interesting or resonant as the original
>Obviously was not made by people that care or grew up with classical music
>Has dozens of celebrity appearances that have nothing to do with music
>Inclusion of jazz music in a classical program for no reason
>Use uglier art styles on multiple shorts
>Re-used the entire 1940s Sorcerer's Apprentice sequence to get people interested

I get why they wanted to make it, but it just is not authentic. It's the insincere Renaissance pleb version of Fantasia. It just screams self indulgent vanity project from the animators and executives who thought they were big shots. You can go ahead and say that the OG Fantasia was also Walt's vanity project, but it was actually a really incredible, original, and profound film. Disney literally paid their own money (RKO wouldn't participate) to run Fantasound, AKA surround sound, which became the fucking norm of all audio set ups for films. If 1940 Fantasia is a 10/10 (which it is), then 2000 is like I dunno a 5-7/10 depended on how charitable you are.

>>149496698 (OP)
>>149497366
Should WDAS ever give it another shot by making a third one? Of course, in a time where the studio is in good shape again. I remember a few years ago reading that they were developing a new Fantasia for Disney+ which just sounds terrible. If there ever was a project meant for the big screen is this series.

>>149497366
The original benefits from the fact that classical music was still sort of a living art form at the time. Still mostly music by dead guys, but Stokowski and Toscanini were actual celebrities, there were still some world-famous living composers like Stravinsky, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Sibelius. Most people sort of knew classical music in a way that they don't today and the animators "felt" the music having grown up with it.

By the time Fantasia 2 came out they had to have celebrities explain why we should care, which probably suggests why they shouldn't have made it.

>>149496698 (OP)
Some segments were nice.

>>149497366
You Hate art

>>149496698 (OP)
Pretty mimeh. I only remember the Firebird and the Donald Duck parts

>>149496698 (OP)
The 100th anniversary of Disney should be a Fantasia 3

>>149498134
Let me refresh your memory.

https://youtu.be/OvPjtolajZk?si=UtP-Hj6oj0j2gaps

>>149496698 (OP)
It bored me more than the original. I don't recall even the Donald segment saving it.

>>149496698 (OP)
The forced celebrity stuff is the worst part. They could've added another segment with that time or trimmed the fat for a shorter movie.

I liked the segments overall, even if they were inferior to the 1940 film.

>>149497366
I see where you are coming from except for
>Inclusion of jazz music in a classical program for no reason
George Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue has strong classical elements.

>>149496698 (OP)
*long-ass clarinet note*

They should have included the Salvador Dali bit, but the Rhapsody in Blue section is one of the finest pieces of animation of all time.

>>149498140
We've gotten enough individual elements over the years for a potential Fantasia 3
>Destino
>Lorenzo
>The Little Matchgirl
>the Nightmares vs Dreams finale

>>149498318
This. Gershwin, Joplin, and Sousa are the godfathers of American classical music and we'll be much better off when we stop pretending they aren't.

>>149498410
TLM was meant for a failed Fantasia, wasn't it? Along with that West African kite flying one.

>>149496698 (OP)
2000's biggest problem is that it wants to be 'liked' but ends up desperate for approval. The reality is classic music in the modern era will always be niche and it should embrace that fact. It's not going to have mass appeal and make a billion dollars, but it can introduce people to classical music and change their mind about it. Instead it's "BUT WE PUT DONALD DUCK AND THE SORCEROR'S APPRENTICE IN IT, PLEASE LIKE US!". Meanwhile all the original Fantasia needed was fucking dinosaurs and the devil.
The New York and Firebird sequences are both kino, but that's about it.

>>149498318
And while Rhapsody in Blue was written for a jazz band it was was quickly arranged for symphony orchestra after and has been on innumerable classical concerts. It's one of the pieces that bored people who were dragged to the symphony always brighten up for.

(Leonard Bernstein once played it at a concert for President Eisenhower, who told him after that while he was bored by the Mozart concerto, "I like that last piece you played [Rhapsody in Blue]. I like music with a theme, not all them arias and barcarolles.")

>>149498457
'One by One', yeah..

>>149498461
Funny enough, it could've been worse. The original plans for the Pomp and Circumstance sequence would've entailed the entire Disney Animated Canon (with Donald as the focus) attending a coronation held by the Disney Princesses celebrating the birth of their respective children.

>>149498457
>>149498491
>'One by One'
Is it with one of the songs from the Lion King soundtracks?

>>149498937
Yeah. First appeared on that 'Rhythm of the Pride Lands' album, then resurfaced as part of the stage musical.

>>149498065
They can, but I think it should have a different genre per short this time and have it be all an original score. Something similar to the “Us Again” short they made a few years ago. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4G6iADrA8&pp=ygUPZGlzbmV5IHVzIGFnYWlu

>>149496698 (OP)
excellent, loved them as a kid

>>149500622
Truly a Man of Culture.