Are writers of superhero comics just retarded

>>149497631 (OP)

That was during the start of NU52 I believe, the time when the editorial instruction was quite literally "everyone do something retarded fast", giving us such gems as a Joker who cuts his own face off and nails it to a wall for literally no reason at all. DC now appears to have quietly retconned the part where Harley murders a hundred children because she was feeling a bit sad; at least it hasn't been brought up since.

>>149497729
It's not the killing that bothers me, it's the lack of reaction to it

>>149497729
>a Joker who cuts his own face off and nails it to a wall for literally no reason at all
Heath Ledger's edgy glasgow smile Joker was super popular and someone decided they needed to one-up the movie to stay relevant.

>>149497631 (OP)
ye

How does Red Hood not put her down after this? Or literally any grieving parent once they bring Harley in for trial of something. Like with a stunt like this surely there's some mafia-connected fellow whose kid got offed. Nobody's gonna put the hit out on Harley?

>>149499411
Sorry Anon, she's a lesbian. That means she gets full immunity alongside Poison Ivy

>>149497631 (OP)
Where’s Batman? Isn’t it his job to stop this? Detective my ass.

>>149498367
wasnt the 3 jokers/faceless thing years and years after dark knight or whatever it was called

>>149497631 (OP)
Not only that, editorial are retarded and set dumbass mandates as >>149497729
said.

Both Joe Q and Didio are essentially what happens when the Vince Russo isn't kicked the fuck out and allowed to keep on for 20 years. These guys operate from this retarded view point of "Shock>Consistency". They basically want their comics to be as shocking and "controversial" as possible, internal logic be damned because it'll get people talking about it.

What's made it worse is that with Hollywood constantly giving opportunities to hacks like Abrams, Lindeloff, Nolan etc who try to be "deep" so these morons genuinely think that their way of doing things is smart cause that's what the big boys in Hollywood are doing.

So she just put bombs in a bunch of electronic devices and then blew them all up without regard for who had gotten their hands on them or who was near them? That's monstrous.

>>149497729
Really? I remember this incident being much earlier

>>149499411
>How does Red Hood not put her down after this?
The thing you have to understand about modern cape comics is everyone gives literally zero fucks about civilian deaths. It's basically the only way to avoid the planet banding together to wreak bloody vengeance across the supervillain community for the decades of unanswered for murders various villains have racked up over the course of their careers. At best you'll have some vigilantes that don't really see much of a difference between a random gang initiation killing and nuking half of Canada. There is no prioritization for those types. You kill, you die, and they'll get to you when they get to you.

>>149499643
>Busts out of prison easy and kills a bus full of kids.
>Solution is to put him back in prison to start the cycle again.

At some point you're as culpable as if you'd killed the kids themselves if it's that foregone a conclusion.

>>149499479
They were specifically a custom-made handheld gaming console popular with kids designed and distributed by her.

>>149499643
>he was a better man because he let a child killer kill kids
Jesus Christ.

>>149499643
>...he found a bus full of kindergarten kids and KILLED 'em just to prove a point.
>I wasn't angry 'cause of the bus. I was angry because he was RIGHT.
who wrote this, jesus christ

>>149500037
Paul Jenkins

>>149499828
Look. It's fine. It doesn't matter how many times they escape justice. The heroes will be there to put them back in prison again and again. Eventually they'll learn their lesson.

>>149499643
the most egregious part of this being posted every time is how none of this meshes or even is consistent with Wrecker's characterisation as a villain. He just does generally does massive public destruction, get money, fight heroes for fun or if they're in his way and hire out for other mastermind villains with a plan that lets him do the above, he doesn't do any kill for a point shit or deliberate child murder since he's a thug with a magic crowbar and that's his charm plus his ACTUAL character and not this fucking page.

>>149500037
I already said this a million times but Wrecker has never been before or after a mass child killer so this whole page is bullshit on an extra level on top of the weird writing for Ben Grimm

>>149500168
>He just does generally does massive public destruction
He was literally introduced as a terrorist that would destroy occupied buildings for fun and profit. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. He left a fat chunk of New York in flames in his first appearance. He's basically a walking 9/11.

>>149500161
Remember, villains aren't allowed to die unless they aren't marketable and the stakes must always be increasing.

>>149500161
If only comic writers weren't so aggressively shit and could write the argument honestly instead of immediately making the executioners comedically evil because they're incapable of intellectual honesty. Superman has some legitimate arguments to make against it but he'd never make them because no writer putting him in that position would ever allow him to be half challenged honestly so they just make the otherside douchebags and barbarians.
Might makes right should mean noblesse oblige not 'grug take what grug want because grug big'

>>149500343
>Superman has some legitimate arguments to make against it
As long as jails in his universe are completely non-functional, no he doesn't.

If he were proposing alternatives, then sure, let him cook, but ironically, usually if Superman proposes an alternative, it's some fate worse than death, which negates any moral high ground he could try to claim.

His best position is usually going to be something along the lines of "Would you want some sort of all powerful god running around punishing the wicked with no oversight." but that has several problems.
>1. It clashes with much better Superman writing where he sees himself as a farm boy, not a god.
>2. I'm sure most people in universe would rather the famously a moral paragon Superman run around smiting villains than dipshits like the Joker murder hundreds of people every weekend.
>3. He's already running around with no meaningful oversight doing his vigilante bullshit. Realistically nobody could stop him either way.

The incessant need writers feel to recycle villains makes their heroes look like ineffective lunatics that don't care how many people die. Writers either need to have villains stay captured, be killed, or have superheroes at least consistently try to contain them. Superheroes would get a lot less shit if they were running their own prisons, they don't get in the way of other people killing villains, and their reason for killing is just "I don't want to". It'd still suck to see them ineffective, but at least they could argue they're making a good faith attempt.

Nothing about current superhero writing has them acting in good faith to save lives.

>>149500168
Nigga what do you think massive public destruction entails?

>>149500318
Yeah but not going out of his way to murder a bunch of children, there's a difference between rampaging through a city and aiming for a school bus full of kids which just needlessly grims up his character. I'm not saying he can't kill anyone or have him not care if innocent people get hurt/die in a rampage but he's not gonna go out of his way to murder children deliberately

>>149500327
im praying youre an actual adult because otherwise you sound like a 12 year old whos confused about morality and not understanding the concept of a story and its morals.

>>149500982
You're splitting hairs

>>149500996
>you just lack media literacy to see the morals of the story
Or the morals are shit, I see the message and the message is shit.

>>149500692
>Superheroes would get a lot less shit if they were running their own prisons

Honestly, this is what the Fortress of solitude really should be. An Arctic prison where escape = death by Hypothermia, so criminals are kept in by themselves, alone, to reflect on misdeeds and atone. And occasionally, to rehabilitate. If Clark needs some quiet and reflection, there's the Kent family farm for that.

>>149500966
There's a difference between not caring if people get hurt and going out of your way to kill kids. Wrecker's an asshole who does kill people but he's not meant to be a mass child murdering sicko. It's like when Bendis tried to imply Man Mountain Marko was a necrophile or Hickman trying to say Absorbing Man was a rapist since it just doesn't add anything to their character and is just a gross contradicting detail that has to be swept away since it doesn't mesh with any of their characterisation or personality.

>>149500996
What's confusing about selling comics?

>>149501002
Yes I know I'm being autistic about this but pages like this annoy me cause they clearly just grabbed a random marvel villain without actual thought of if they suited a moment or wether their characterisation would call for it. Like if this was Mr Hyde then yeah I'd see that since guy was willing to kill lots of people just to get even with King Cobra specifically, brutalized Jarvis and is just generally a bloodthirsty sadist.

>>149501008
What are you, the wrecker's attorney? You defend him in every thread

>>149497631 (OP)
Was Harley Jewish all along?

btw that's not even the first time wrecker killed a kid

>>149501030
I just like Wrecker and a lot of other Marvel villains so moments of them being used badly by writers or for a story role regardless of them suiting it or not I harp on. I know an upcoming Moon Knight issue is gonna be about Wrecker being haunted by victims of his so if they bring the school bus thing up I'll have to concede on it sticking for him.

>>149501059
See this is fine since in the issue the kid died because Wrecker was aiming to destroy Yancy Street around him cause he was after Thunderball for revenge and that's where he was told he is. He wasn't out to kill specifically children but he also didn't care he was in the crossfire of his specific goal. It might not seem like a distinction but it matters when actually writing these characters in character. Also I'm not here to argue about whether heroes should kill or not since hate the topic, I'm just here to argue the characterisation of a B-List Marvel villain I think is neat.

>>149497631 (OP)
Extremely

>>149497729
It's cause it wasn't ever actually in continuity, it was a one shot they shoved in as a literal .5 issue for some reason. Shit isn't canon and never was.

>>149500692
> Superheroes would get a lot less shit if they were running their own prisons, they don't get in the way of other people killing villains, and their reason for killing is just "I don't want to". It'd still suck to see them ineffective, but at least they could argue they're making a good faith attempt.
They’d just be called fascists for detaining people again their will, and when the villains inevitably break out of superjail, the blame will be extra hard on the superhero for “not doing something about it”. You’re not wrong, the fact the comics are stuck in a major cycle is a huge problem, but a far bigger root issue is the fact the comics felt the need to make their super villains into spree killers and mass murderers to begin with. As much shit as the silver age got for being goofy, nobody questioned why Batman didn’t plug the Joker or why Superman didn’t punch Prankster’s head clean off. They were just criminals, out there for money or attention, not animals that had zero capacity for redemption like what the Joker has become.

>>149497631 (OP)
>Are writers of superhero comics just retarded
Yeah? This isn't news.

The industry itself incentivises retardation.

>>149497631 (OP)
Why do they refuse to draw Harley with her animated series look?

>>149501165
Who cares if you look someone in the eye or not? Killing a kid is killing a kid

>>149497631 (OP)
Mostly, yes. That’s why Big Jim will be so sorely missed for being comics’ greatest tard wrangler.

The core issue is that we're stuck reading about the same ten characters over and over.
Unironically why i prefer manga. At least there it's a straightforward story with beginning, middle and the end instead of this gay ass profiteering a copyright spiral.

When a beloved character dies in a manga that's it. When the same happens in capeshit it's just until the next retcon.

Not saying that western comics are inherenty incapable of just doing the same, but it feels like they're content to just keep on recycling the ips until the heat death.

>>149501584
>beginning, middle and the end instead of this gay ass profiteering a copyright spiral.
Detective conan? Naruto?

>>149501588
Naruto does have an ending. It drags out,sure, but the story concludes eventually and who dies stays dead.
Never read conan.

What i'm arguing is that the jap comic model promotes one and done stories over a constant recycling of core characters, even the worst offenders like Dragonball are nowhere near as bad as the last ten years of either marvel or DC.

>>149501558
I can't be arsed to argue further so i'll end off that regardless at least this shit didn't become character defining like what Bendis did to Purple Man though he always was and will be a bad character.

>>149497631 (OP)
the worst thing Harley did besides being irreparably awful or killing kids was reduce Poison Ivy to a satellite character for all her bullshit.

>>149501638
Ivy has had her own comic for a few years now, but it feels like Harley has been reduced to team appearances like Gotham Sirens or fetish shit like that fart comic. The healing is beginning.

>>149501834
the Fart comic also did my dude Plastic Man dirty by having him appear in it, frankly the sheer existence of this book is baffling.

>>149501584
This. And it isn't just Marvel and DC that have good problem, it's any Western comic that tries to have a bigger universe. Nu Valiant started fresh but within 2 years they were recycling the same stories and villains over and over again.

>>149501941
>I am a woman writer, hear me roar!
>no, I promise, letting me put my thinly veiled, horrifically disgusting fetish into a comic distributed across the globe is totally going to make us a ton of cash
>okay, fine, what I really meant was that if you DON'T let me put my thinly veiled, horrifically disgusting fetish into a comic, I will fucking sue you for harassment and tell people on bluesky you raped me, #believeallwomen
And that's how that comic got created.

>>149502003
I wonder how much Harley's fart comic cost more than a regular comic and if innocent comic shops were stunk up by them?

>>149502003
the fucking gall of the fart comic to try to have some pro woman message/patriarchy is bad jabbering in it genuinely makes me saying good points for comics such a uphill battle.

>>149501584
>The core issue is that we're stuck reading about the same ten characters over and over.
>Unironically why i prefer manga.
>When a beloved character dies in a manga that's it.
>but it feels like they're content to just keep on recycling the ips until the heat death.

Are you actually being serious or are you trying to bait me right now, lmao

>>149502003
>horrifically disgusting fetish into a comic
Let's be honest here, fart fetish is the least horrifically disgusting fetish you could put into a comic. I could think of a number of worse ones, of which jap shit includes in spades.

>>149502360
At least jap shit properly marks their stuff as porn or softcore when they put their fetishes in and doesn't pretend it's a legitimate, empowering move when the cuck cries and jerks himself off while his waifu gets plowed behind the door.

>>149502388
If you're trying to pretend like any of that is justification for lolicon you deserve to go into the woodchipper along with all the others.

>>149502399
>whataboutism
Pedofiles are bad, but that doesn't excuse DC releasing a harley quinn fart-sniffing comic.

>>149502337
>Same dynamic pose
>Arguing about repetitiveness
Anon, I hope you are not that retarded into thinking a single generic action pose dismisses anon's point that cape comics are, at least, 90% the same trash.

>>149502448
>Anon, I hope you are not that retarded into thinking a single generic action pose dismisses anon's point that cape comics are, at least, 90% the same trash.
No, my point is that he's a retard for looking for those things in manga when they are all just as bad or even worse than comics in that regard. I'm using recycled framing and poses to emphasize my point. How many times has Goku died again?

Yes, they write comics.

People jump from writing literature to comics, nobody jumps from comics to literature.

>>149502505
Of all the repeating tropes, character archetypes and samefaces in Japanese cartoons you chose cumulonimbus clouds?

>>149502505
>he's a retard for looking for those things in manga when they are all just as bad or even worse than comics in that regard
But you only posted anime screenshots so far. And you are using fucking clouds and skys as your examples?

>How many times has goku died?
According to google, four times. How many times has Batman died? Oh yeah, around the fucking 20 times mark. And you are counting the one of the most popular characters in anime/manga as an example. Add in people like Superman, Wolverine, Fucking Gwen Stacy.

Anon, Manga is more varied than comics by default, get over it. You posting Clouds and blue skies in japanese fiction would be just like me posting ugly grey tall buildings from each fucking movie ever made that takes place in New York.

>>149497631 (OP)
No, but Harley fans are
This comic is shit, but in defense of the writer, his mistake was thinking the fanbase liked Harley because she is a messed up interpretation of a psychopath with deep self esteem issues... Which she is
The modern fanbase surrounding Harley don't see anything in her other than a quirky "kinda canon" lesbian, but in truth her characterization makes her nothing more than deep and charged commentary on woman who form cults of personality surrounding serial killers, Harley didn't show actual remorse towards the people she killed, she is still a villain, but they us to feel sorry for her as "Give the silly clown girl a break! Her murder boyfriend dumbed her"

>>149501584
To that point, Invincible is kind of ass but still by far and large significantly more memorable than any recent marvel/dc thing.
It tells a story instead of just spouting WHAT IF HULK WAS SPIDERMAN AND HE WAS RED VENOM WHO WAS ALSO SORCERER SUPREME

>>149500996
Bruh the morals are retarded. Yes you're supposed to show mercy and compassion, but there's a limit.

Continuity is cancer for comic books.

And this is why Superman is better

>>149501475
How come they get to control the IP while I don't?
Am I not matter?

>>149501602
>Naruto does have an ending
Does it though?

>>149497631 (OP)
You made a full thread to make the most retarded question ever?
Of course they are retarded, everyone who reads comics know how convoluted, nonsensical and out of continuit they are.
Only actual retards or newfags care about it, becaue actual veterans know how stupid comics get the you know the actual full story of one.
Look at the whole wonder woman lore and all her wonder girls, specially Donna troy.

>>149500996
>you sound like a 12 year old whos confused about morality
It is immoral to let mass murderers go free.
>But heroes take them to jail
Like I said, let mass murderers go free.

I literally do not care if heroes kill or not. Hell, I literally don't care if their villains come back or not. Their villains just have to not come back due to the negligence of the heroes, and trusting government prisons in Marvel/DC is negligence.

>>149499643
This speech makes Ben out to be a fucking asshole. Monstruos, even.

>>149497729
>DC now appears to have quietly retconned the part where Harley murders a hundred children
Nope. “Everything is canon”.

>>149501584
You don't read comics. You just look at capeshit.

>>149506942
They can choose to acknowledge and ignore any story they wish. It always worked this way, they just made it formal.

>>149501584
>When a beloved character dies in a manga that's it

>>149507049
>Retcon that he never died
>He just dies again anti-climactically before they even meet the final boss
>Doesn't even get another fight
What was even the point?

>>149507193
>What was even the point
So he could be forced to appear to have gay sex with Mr. Joestar

>>149500161
Is that acceptable?
The betterment of an individual through a mountain of mangled corpses?

>>149501463
>the fact the comics are stuck in a major cycle is a huge problem, but a far bigger root issue is the fact the comics felt the need to make their super villains into spree killers and mass murderers to begin with
NTA, but I think that's a symptom OF the cycle. In the system western superhero comics built, where everything takes place in the same universe and nothing ever ends. In that context, you end up with a sort of arms races for stakes, where once one superhero saves the world, well every superhero that shares that canon has to as well, or else they just become second-stringer joke characters. And the same thing happens with supervillains: once "personification of evil and cruelty" comes along and wrecks a major city or sacrifices infants to space-satan or something similarly heinous, the villains who are just "themed gangster" or "corrupt guy who gained powers via industrial accident" get written to escalate to hyper-terrorism in order to stay "cool" and relevant.

So you end up with a universe where you have "main" villains who are constantly engaged in apocalyptic events or absurdly over-the-top cruelty, and "main" superheroes who come across as insane people who've saved the world like a dozen times, and the only relatable and interesting characters left are the C and D tier guys who fell behind in the race for higher stakes and got forgotten. Which is why certain writers keep trying to write stories centering on those guys, or going off to make their own superhero universe with blackjack and hookers. But it never works for long, because the problem is systemic to the idea of an "ongoing superhero universe". So long as that's what they're writing, the cycle of escalation can only be reset, never prevented.

>>149506835
Everyone there agrees with him.

>>149501463
>They’d just be called fascists for detaining people again their will
No. They'd be called fascists for detaining other fucking superheroes against their will. If Tony Stark wanted to toss Red Skull and Kingpin in a personally run prison cell at the bottom of the ocean, nobody is going to be calling him a fascist in good faith.

That's what it always fucking amounts to. Superheroes can't do more because it'd fuck up the capacity of villains to return, so writers periodically write one as going full dictator to remind fans not to ask for more. I can't count how many times I've seen the "put the world in a bottle" quote thrown around in discussions like this.

Honestly, Kingdom Come probably comes the closest to addressing this shit with any sort of nuance, but setting aside the fact that Superman is wildly out of character in that shit, the various conflicts in the story sorta get in each other's way, and the story ends up being more about gods vs humans than whether super gulags are bad, actually. Hell, it ends with Batman running his own prison with mind control chips and it's treated as a good thing, despite that already being an escalation from when Superman called him a fucking fascist earlier in the story.

"Coordinate with the UN if you're going to do a super prison so they don't get scared and nuke you because you're acting like gods fighting for control over humanity" is a dumb fucking moral.

>>149507401
>Is that acceptable?
It is to Superman.

Reminder, this is one of his most highly regarded issues commonly touted as him at his best.

>>149507686
>But it never works for long, because the problem is systemic to the idea of an "ongoing superhero universe".
It really isn't. There have been long running action oriented stories that have avoided this bullshit. They do that shit by not relying on constantly escalating stakes. It isn't a waste of a hero's abilities to have them dealing with down to earth bullshit when they could be fighting evil space gods or super terrorists or punching asteroids if you don't have the earth beset by 50 of each of those at any given moment.

And if a character can't be challenged by down to earth stories, DON'T CREATE THAT FUCKING CHARACTER!!! (or else use them mostly for comedy)

That deals with your stakes problem, the only other issue is feeling like you need to constantly reuse villains, but most ongoing stories DON'T FUCKING DO THAT. Comic writers are just hacks.

God fucking damn it, tokusatsu has capeshit with shared universes and those heroes aren't constantly dealing with the same ass-hats. This is entirely a fucking skill issue.

>>149497631 (OP)
I mean, why else would the be writing superhero comics?

>>149497631 (OP)
Why didn't batman stop her?

>>149497972
Yeah shouldnt this have been the start of a big huge vendetta against harley?

>>149508089
>God fucking damn it, tokusatsu has capeshit with shared universes and those heroes aren't constantly dealing with the same ass-hats
W--
What
No, Tokusatsu DOESN'T have shared universes, and yet: no, they ARE constantly dealing with the same asshats.. Kamen Rider specifically only really had a shared universe during the Showa era, and surprise surprise, it was constantly fucking Shocker and the Great Leader. The shared universe stuff ended with the Heisei era aside from crossover Winter Films that are 90% just for fun and basically NEVER had an impact on the actual series (aside from the incredibly rare exception like Build and Heisei Generations Final), but even THEN, we start to see the same asshats of Foundation X popping up over and over again--AND THEY REUSE VILLAINS LIKE EVOLTO (albeit cloned)

You're not speaking truth to what you hate nor what you like.

>>149507193
>retconned
Araki wanted to show that the characters needed medical treatment and recovery time like normal humans after injuries.
>then he dies anticlimactic
Yeah? They had this big conversation right before about how they're walking into a trap and they could suddenly die. MO himself says "I won't save you. Don't save me" and then dies trying to save the others. He was a hero. So many points were made with his death.

>>149508089
>>149508210
To be clear, I don't even think that the constant escalation is *necessarily* bad. Long running superhero stories can be good, and occasionally are. And a shared universe can add a sense of fun and interest when it's not too bloated. The issue is that it takes discipline to not let them just keep running and getting more bloated, and that kind of discipline is anathema to the "maximize short-term profits at all costs" mindset that big companies (especially American big companies) have.

In my opinion, the ideal method if you must keep things running is once your superhero has saved the world from one or two major threats, you pass the torch to a new guy. But again, that takes discipline and bravery, so editors and publishers will try to insist that you keep writing the hero everyone already likes. Which is when you get your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man as a nexus of fate who's destiny is to save the multiverse, or Goku fighting in a tournament to save the multiverse, or the Justice League fighting the new gods to save the multiverse. Once you start saving "the multiverse", I think you've pretty conclusively jumped the shark.

>>149508210
>No, Tokusatsu DOESN'T have shared universes
Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai have crossovers with other tokusatsu and with their own past series fucking constantly. So shared setting if not shared universe.
>The shared universe stuff ended with the Heisei era
>aside from crossover
So they have shared universes.

Also almost all Super Sentai is set in the same universe per Gokaiger.

>Foundation X popping up over and over again
That's not a specific villain. That's a fucking organization.

>EVOLTO
Literally only 9 fucking appearances outside his origin series+3 from his clone. Imagine ANY major comic book villain getting that treatment.

>>149508613
This post reeks of "out of touch power scaler that hasn't actually watched anything"

>>149497631 (OP)
>HARLEY, THE JOKER DOESN'T LOVE YOU
How long are they going to milk this shit for?

>>149508526
The problem with passing the torch is it's completely out of fucking character for most heroes, so they either have to be killed, disabled, spiritually crushed, be lost to space and/or time, etc. And most fans don't want that to keep happening to their heroes.

Honestly plenty of heroes could do fulfilling shit to help save lives and better the world *other than crimefighting* if writers would let them retire to that shit and only call them up for major bullshit, but I feel like that'd require both letting the world superheroes inhabit evolve in response to them and not treat crime there as an all hands on deck situation constantly, neither of which writers are able/willing to do (except the X-Men writers who are just the fucking worst). Also probably somebody in universe proposing heroes start actually fucking retiring before they die/snap/disappear/end up recovering in a tube missing most of their skin and limbs.

>>149508613
>So they have shared universes.
Super Sentai is the only one that has established it is all meant to be one shared universe/continuity, reinforced by Gokaiger, Zenikaiger and Gozyuger, with King-Ohger being the only one that started off muddled at first since early press releases said to consider it it's own separate seuntil they decided its connection to Kyoryuger later on.

Kamen Rider had two entire shows, Decade and Zi-O, that established under normal circumstances every dimension is meant to be its own show/continuity. Crossovers are an iffy exception, since some pretend to take place in the same world while some explicitly cross dimensional barriers. And even were that not the case originally, Decade and both Zi-O outright reset the status quo to separate universes thing.

Ultraman is all over the place, since more than a few will take place in entirely different universes that will then impact others when they cross over to other ones, such as Geed and Z's plotlines. Generally, most of the Showa era Ultramen are from the same dimension, Heisei gets a bit more confusing due to Zero having a habit of crossing over between different universes, and then Reiwa basically gives up entirely and needs you to consider every other show its own universe/continuity until otherwise noted.

Do some research, dude.

>>149497972
Why would they react to it?
Ultraman literally blocked out the sun, and The Crime Sundicate paraded in front of the world the death of the entire Justice League, and gave every supervillain free reign.
Who's looking at a dozen random bombs of potentially evacuated areas when theres Superspeed Grodd eating everyones brains and Chemo is running through every building like he's a 20ft tall Koolaidman of death.

>>149499411
Because Red Hood was busy trying to get to Owlman who just exposed Nightwing's identity and was going to publically execute him. Why give a shit about Harley being recruited again by the suicide squad?

>>149499440
He was stuck finding out his continguincy plans for his heroes don't 1for1 work against Evil AltEarth versions, and was suck playing 4th fiddle to the few supervillains who didn't like Ultraman blocking out the sun and fighting back

>>149499473
Yep
That anon got their info wrong. Joker didn't cut his own face off, it was some villain The Dollmaker in a kinda cheap "oh this villain just killed TheJoker he's gonna be a real big deal" hype attempt that nobody really cared about. Lotta the stories treated Joker as dead until he returned wearing own face as a loose mask in pretty crappy event.

Three Jokers is something else entirely that came out way later. Completely unrelated.

>>149501055
Pretty much.
The original voice actress and paul dini literally designed the character around the actress voice going for a brooklyn accent with a bit of yissish sound.

>>149508613
>So they have shared universes
They do not. Many of the Heisei Kamen Rider shows are riddled with once-in-a-lifetime, nationally or even globally impacting major crises or apocalyptic threats that often directly contradict with the stories and backstories of other shows, or at best would just be incredibly insane never to be mentioned or somehow happen entirely off-screen. You cannot actually reconcile them together as one continuous universe. Crossovers like the movies or anniversary shows don't actually mean anything about a shared universe, it just done for fun and you are just mentally ill.

>>149501584
Pick a better example, considering Saitama's two pets are literally monsters he killed that came back to life, and there have been plenty of heroes thought to be left dead that show up just recovering from the injuries.
And you really can't pretend greedy IP business is a western only thing, especially considering Dragonball's misfortune for the past 15+ years.

>>149508908
>Do some research, dude.
I know all this bullshit dude. You're the one bitching about me not being hyperspecific enough when none of this detracts from my point.

9 fucking Kamen Rider series across 2 fucking decades, not to mention virtually all of Super Sentai, not to mention 9 fucking Ultraman series all take place in just 3 fucking shared universes and all the modern shit is still in the same fucking multiverse across multiple fucking franchises.

And in none of that shit is the monster of the week constantly arrested and breaking out of jail.

>>149509242
You strike me as someone that bitches about the X-Men not helping out when Kang invaded Washington, DC.

>>149497631 (OP)
Nah. Writers in general, even beyond comics, are retarded.

>>149509242
>>149509596
Also 1 writing problem at a time please?

We can bitch about heroes not logically showing up when they should LITERALLY ALL THE TIME later.

By the way, the X-Men were dealing with Necrosha during the Kang bullshit, IIRC.

>>149509596
I wouldn't know, I don't read capeshit when it comes to comics. I guess it would depend if the X-Men were all located within Washington DC and Maryland, and if they had stories directly taking place within DC during Kang's invasion or backstories that cross into it during that time but depicted nothing about Kang, then that would be comparable to how all the Heisei Kamen Riders are in Japan and their timeline of events would overlap, but then don't and thus are clearly not shared universes.

But based on this anon >>149509641 it sounds more like when Kamen Rider Ichigo was fighting in Europe and Kamen Rider Nigo had to fight on his own, so I dunno why you're bringing that up

>>149502505

>>149497631 (OP)
I believe we ha e already answered this question around 2014-2015 but for the benefit of the people who've been living on mars with their eyes shut tight and their fingers in their ears, yes, modern super hero writers are self important, retarded midwits.

>>149509560
>I know all this bullshit dude
Evidently not, given how you're still trying to use Kamen Rider as an example and are trying to pivot from
>dealing with the same asshats
to
>uh actually it's specifically only about the MOTW and whether they're arrested and break out of jail

>>149509751
>I guess it would depend if the X-Men were all located within Washington DC and Maryland
He destroyed most of DC and conquered the planet briefly.

>>149509800
Okay, you're just arguing in bad faith now. Stop dude. I'm getting secondhand embarrassment. It's okay. You jumped into an argument you didn't care about and started bitching about minutiae that wasn't technically correct enough for you.

It happens. You just need to learn to control that autism.

>>149509011
Just because other people did worse doesn't erase what Harley did and why. And none of those characters get treated like misunderstood victims like Harley does. So take your disengenuous argument and shove it back up your ass where it came from.

>>149509848
I see no contribution to the discussion in your post, only an attempt to weasel out of participating by jumping into insults and projection. I accept your concession. I will say though: you should really watch Tokusatsu for real sometime instead of browsing wikis and watching summaries on Youtube; the shows are really fun, and you'll find it's really fun to talk about when you actually know what goes on in the genre.

>>149509560
>And in none of that shit is the monster of the week constantly arrested and breaking out of jail.
Happens quite a bit to the execs and dark riders, man. Or have you never asked how the fuck Ouja keeps coming back no matter how many times the universe kills or clones him over and over again?

>>149509812
Funny, it's usually the reverse, everyone bitching about the Avengers not helping with Genosha being blown the fuck up because they were dealing with the Kang invasion storyline going on at the same time and Grant Morrison refused to let any other comics cross over with the X-men at the time. We actually even do briefly see the X-men getting their shit kicked in in a couple cameos during Kang's invasion, I remember seeing Wolverine getting whipped.

>>149509870
The whole point of the Suicide Squad is to erase the supervillains' crimes from files so they can be used to asassinate other bugger threats.
And its retarded to even act like you morally care that some supervillain gets to stick around to get redeemed to do some wacky antics in a later comic, because if you did you'd have boycotted this shit by the late 80s early 90s.
>oh why is Lobo allowed to be the Pope of the spacedolphin religion? He murdered his entire planet!
>why hasn't Green Lantern locked up Larfleeze who had his orange lantern devour planets worth of people! Don't give him Christmas Cookies
>Galactus has eaten countless planets! How dare they have a story of him and the Avengers playing BASEBALL

>>149510349
other bigger* threats

obviously