>everyone remembers Carnage in the 90s as being super brutal
>in reality, none of the comics had any gore, if he killed anyone it wasn't shown
>the 90s cartoon further kiddified him

That being said, Venom 2 still did Carnage wrong. Made him semi-sympathetic or attempted to make him an angsty guy more than a pure sadist, made him way bigger than Venom when the opposite was the point, and they already used Carnage's weapon creating ability on their version of Riot so they just made Carnage a tentacle monster (Lasher's thing) and made him do Tazmanian Devil spins instead of gutting people

>Carnagefag is STILL making new threads about his washed-up edgy villain from the 90s who's always one-note and uninteresting

>>149499492
>carnage is one note and uninteresting
>his origin is that he's an orphan turned serial killer, but flips the tragic past trope on it's ass because he was killing people as a kid, he's not damaged just crazy

>electro is just a blue collar worker
>he gets electrocuted and becomes elecman
>he does petty crimes for money

>vulture is some egghead or something who gets screwed over, so he builds a flying suit harness and becomes birdman
>he does petty crimes for money

>doctor octopuss, is a fucking asshole narcissist
>he gets tentacles on him and keeps being just that

It is what it is brah, and Carnage is only one of two villains mentioned to get their own events these days, because many of the old Spidey rogues have zero fans

>>149499492
>>149499546
He's not wrong. Casuals literally only care about Goblin, Ock, Venom and Carnage

>>149499492

>>149499465 (OP)
The movie should have been rated R

>>149499465 (OP)
None of the 90's comics had gore, yeah, but it's not like the movies weren't picking exclusively from that era. Hardy later admitted that Sony was just shy about an R-rated Venom movie, that's it.

>>149499465 (OP)
None of the 90's comics had gore besides the two minis, yeah, but it's not like the movies were picking exclusively from that era. Hardy later admitted that Sony was just shy about an R-rated Venom movie, that's it.

>>149499546
>Old Spidey Rogues have Zero fans
Imagine being this wrong

>>149500963
I'm a BIG fan of Black Cat

>>149499465 (OP)
In Carnage's first appearance, he suffocates a random guy for the lulz.
In every issue in that first arc he was killing civilians left and right.

>>149500893
But then it wouldn't be allowed to be all over-the-top and campy like a live-action cartoon.

>>149501573
Deadpool?

>>149501573
Why not?

>>149499584
Remember when Wikisurfers said that Mysterio was going to be a good guy in Far From Home? Casuals have no clue.

>>149501555
Didn't he also kill someone just cause of their name

>>149502814
That was such a bizarre time
Mysterios very first appearance was him pretending to be a hero to sway the public, how did people (here even) not see his ruse 100000000 miles away?

>>149499465 (OP)
>VENOM GET IN THE ROCKET!

>NO!

>>149500963
They said "many" and that's true. Kraven has followers because of Kravens Last Hunt, Sandman has followers because "muh redemption arc", Mysterio has followers cause he's the biggest oddball and campiest powerset. But even still I'd say their fandom is on par with guys like Captain Cold, Killer Moth, or Black Manta.....they're fan favorites among actual hardcore comic nerds, not the casual superhero fan

Now even in Spider-Man threads you're gonna mostly see people shitting on guys like Electro, Scorpion, and Vulture not to mention the litany of even lesser Spidey rogues like Swarm, Hydro Man, Jack O Lantern etc, Spidey fanbase is an odd one because so many people self insert as Peter that they love the narrative of his villains all being losers cause it only props up Peter as "the kewlest nerdy guy whos also a chad ever!"

>>149501555
There's killing, but no gore or blood. He's going clean through a guy but instead of blood you have generic yellow action effects

>>149501627
i miss the real deadpool

>>149507396
>Spidey fanbase is an odd one because so many people self insert as Peter that they love the narrative of his villains all being losers cause it only props up Peter as "the kewlest nerdy guy whos also a chad ever!"
Projection, the post

>>149507725
Then explain why so many Spider-Man fans want his villains to be losers and for Peter to never be hurt, and hate the villains who do hurt him like Norman or Brock while they swear they love the guys who haven't had a single effective feat of villainy

>>149507607
That's not Deadpool. It's some chick he was dating that had shape shifter powers.

>>149501555
You have to understand to a kid in the 90's this was literally the coolest thing ever.

>>149507873
It's still cool, there is a big discrepancy between what busy body adult children think "kids like" vs what they actually like, which hasn't changed at all. Most of these people don't have kids but they'll swear that "times have changed, Steven Universe is WHAT little kids think is cool now" and it's like nahhh, it isn't, they'd rather play CoD

>>149507873
I loved the symbiote shit and 2099 as a kid, hated the clones though

His VA in TAS was perfect. I'll always imagine Cletus as like an edgy delinquent not a southern hick

>>149507750
Brock is chad thats why

>>149510205

>>149499465 (OP)
Carnage does use tentacle/tendril things a lot even in the comics though, no?

>>149507396
>Electro, Scorpion, and Vulture
All good villains. Except for when Scorpion tried to be Venom, that sucked. But otherwise I will always defend them.
>Swarm, Hydro Man, Jack O Lantern
Not as good, but still fun and can be used well.
>the narrative of his villains all being losers
His villains are all kinda losers in-universe, though. They all turned to a life of crime because they got used, otherwise failed in their profession of choice, or were just inherently thug-minded like Electro.

>>149508363
Kids may not like Steven Universe, but they don't like last century comics much either. Too many words, not engaging enough.

>>149507396
I only go into Spider-man villain threads cause actual Spider-man threads are deranged. Also who gives a shit what the casual superhero fan wants since they mostly want rehashed crap, adaptions of stories that aren't even genuinely good or excuse objectively bad adaptions of characters or arcs just cause people actually complain. Also there was a significant dedicated Hydro-man thread months ago. I do agree on hating the narrative of the whole he holds back on his villains and could job them out which is a disservice to Spidey himself but also his enduring and excellent rogues gallery just to prop up whatever the writer is currently shilling. I'd agree on Scorpion and Vulture being on the lower end of popularity despite being incredibly known but that's more to do with writers not utilising them or in Vulture's case just being bleh since I admittedly don't much care for him despite sticking up for nearly every Marvel villain within reason.

>>149510685
Yeah he does but it's not to the extent of full tentacles being part of his visage, that would be Lasher. Carnage basically uses tendrils the same way Venom did, but more often and more chaotically drawn, but his main thing was creating knives/axes/claws/whatever which, they used on Riot

>>149510752
They're losers with powers though, that's pretty dangerous. They're not, and that's my problem.

I was looking at a shitty CBR list of "bad spidey villains of the 90s" and like, it was as cliche as you can imagine and full of contradictions, but one point that annoyed me was
>Carnage became great but in the 90s he was bad, because he has Joker-Like edge that's out of place in Spider-Man's lighthearted world!"
Like uhh, that's bullshit, and a mentality that is why modern Spidey shit all sucks

>>149511378

I read one involving Carnage and a little girl. cannot remember the issue, but I thought it was very good.

>>149510771
The only people who do like new comics are SU fans

>>149513117
He killed her?

>>149499546
Doc Ock wasn't always a dick and narcissist he got brain damage from his experiments that makes him act that way, it's established in his first issue. You also forgot:
> The Lizard
> Shocker
> Hydroman
> Kraven the Hunter
> The Chameleon
> Professor Smythe
> Scorpion
> Rhino
> The Cat Burglar
> The Enforcers
> Mysterio
> Kingpin
> Sandman
> Mr. Spot
> Hammerhead
> Tombstone

Spidey's heroes don't need to always be big, world ending events. The balance of powerful, colorful villains doing petty crimes contrasted with his domestic dramas and how they intertwine is a majority of his appeal. People doing adaptions need to realize that and make him have more fleshed out character dramas going on with his superhero adventures.

>>149501015
> The Tinkerer
I'm kind of disappointed I saw this, I would've been floored to see him come back. I was convinced he was a one-off.

Also, I assume Felicia is supposed to be The Car Burglar's daughter based on her cartoon debut, motiff, and my current read through. He sounds like a simple criminal but his debut issue is actually one of the best Spidey issues I've read and if taken as a lead-in to If It Be My Destiny, perhaps one of the greatest Spidey arcs of all time. He really should get his moment in the Sun to set up Felicia.

>>149507396
Jack O' Lantern and Hydroman were literally my two favorites of all time as a kid. I had a Jack O' Lantern action figure and would watch every re-run of the 90's cartoon hoping he'd pop up in one episode. I think I'd flip if him or Hydroman ever got used in something, especially if they played it straight and didn't do some Harley Quinn parody with them.

>>149513876
It's not about them being big or small, it's just the fact of the matter. Why do you think Marvel has gone back to shilling Symbiote Sunday every week, they're popular and you couldn't do it with many Spidey villains, nobody is buying up "Electro Verse", and its their own fault for making these villains into court jesters of Spidey's soap opera

And I just think the "Carnage is one note" thing is disingenuous, Ock doesn't have layers neither does Vulture, like be real, these are cliche super villains of the highest order.....are they bad? Nah, I think they could be written better, but they're not these nuanced deep characters, the more I have the argument the more I think Carnage is MORE nuanced, and I am a Venomfag so I don't really care about Carnage that much beyond thinking he's not as shit as 60s only fags think

>>149507750
Have you ever read Spider-Man. It was a running theme for the longest time that each new villain was just slightly more powerful than him and he had to use his agility and brains along with his brawn to defeat them. He gets knocked around, but he's durable. Spidey rarely has battle damage and goes limping around because of his endurance and healing factor, but that doesn't mean a villian can't one shot him if he's not careful. What you need to do is have him narrating to himself about how he's at the end of his rope and having to dodge someone's attacks because one good hit will put him down.

Like, it's a specific vibe, but not a hard one to do. All you have to do is peruse his comics and you'll get what's going on. The reason people complain is because they think they can just pick up all the knowledge they need through pop culture osmosis and wikisurfing then write a hollywood action movie/battle shounen where Pete's duking it out and winding up bloodied and torn. Almost never does Spidey resort to outright beat 'em up fisticuffs.

>>149510771
People THINK they won't like last century comics because they're "dated" or have a skewed perception of them from people portraying them as some exaggerated Superdickery Silver Age yarn for young children. Anyone who actually reads them likes them, especially Silver Age Spider-Man.

>>149514008
I wouldn't put too much stock in the decisions of modern Marvel with their record low sales numbers. They clearly don't know what they're doing or what people like. The villains don't need events or a big mythos built around them, you're supposed to bounce them off Pete's supporting characters so his civilian problems intersect with his hero problems. He's too busy dealing with a sick Aunt May or chasing some girl? A villian is 2/3 the way through building a huge empire and now he has to rush to deal with it? He's got an important appointment, Ah dang, here comes a villain he's gotta deal with. Things like that.

>>149514131
They know Carnage sells more than Mysterio, and he does. Go to Walmart and look at the merch. It's all MCU, Spidey, and VENOM

Carnage isn't that mainstream a name these days but he was nearly as popular as Venom in the 90s, Venom was a character who was popular without Spider-Man, that counts for something regardless of what you think.

>>149514034
I have, and I know, but the fact is most of his rogues have been turned into jokes like "oh god, THIS guy again", only Goblin and Ock command any respect these days and it's been that way for a while. Scorpion could be intimidating, and given his powers, he should be, but he's just a jobber there to look stupid

Batman villains don't get this treatment, my favorite Batman villain is Scarecrow who is notoriously handled poorly and always jobs but somehow even he doesn't feel like a total joke intentionally the way many Spider-Man villains do

>>149514131
>I wouldn't put too much stock in the decisions of modern Marvel with their record low sales numbers.
Decisions made over the course of the 00s-now mainly

>>149514491
00s comics were not fun to me with few exceptions like Punisher MAX

>>149499465 (OP)
I fucking despise the modern Carnage designs giving him the shitty fangs and extra nasty fleshy shit over his original look, it was borderline perfect

If there's any Spider-Man character the MCU did right, it was Vulture, who earned the name not just through his visual namesake, but because he makes a living off of scavenging for scraps, it helps that it's also probably the best the character has ever looked.

>>149499465 (OP)
>>in reality, none of the comics had any gore, if he killed anyone it wasn't shown
It amuses me when the casual fans cried about the Venom movies being PG-13 as if gore and swearing would suddenly fix them.

>>149515394
as much as I hate modern techslop designs you're probably right, only thing I'd change would probably be giving him a sleeker pair of wings like Falcon has

>>149515363
It makes sense because he has to be viewed from many angles in realistic lighting, the black teeth only read well on a page where you can control the contrast and angle with absolute precision.

>>149515453
I know some of the changes make sense from a practical standpoint, but others don't and just genuinely look inferior from my perspective, I just dislike him being turned into big red Venom since the characters do have key differences in their visual design

>>149515394
Hell any villain period, they added to a character and didn't take away from them FOR ONCE

>>149499546
>Carnage is only one of two villains mentioned to get their own events these days,
the only real events he gets is more rehashing of Maximum Carnage, wich was the only thing worth noting he ever did
the fact that you even compare him Doc motherfucking Octopus isnt just hilarious, but insanles dilusional
Doc Ock has a entire catalog of memorable stories starring him, tons of great feats
his time as the master planner was one of the main plot devices driving the original comics, he was the main fucking villian in ''if this be my Destiny''
Nigga run multiple ensembles of the Sinister 6, tried to get fresh with Aunt May, became a multiversal menace, stole Pete's body AND fucked a midget in it
Carnage is small time, kid

>>149499465 (OP)
Yeah, I agree. Carnage in movie sucked. He was really joyless, like they felt we couldn't care about guy who just likes killing and had to focus on his girlfriend. Also, his supposed connection with Eddie was really forced.

This might sound odd but Milo from Morbius was better in every way, other than that he wasn't based on popular comic villain so he didnt had cool name, design or powers.

>>149516080
>the only real events he gets is more rehashing of Maximum Carnage
So you've never read them, or the original story most likely posting a 00s cartoon pic

Also Superior Spider-Man was the most pathetic piece of wank ever
>What if Ock was skinny and attractive
Puke

>>149516326
woody harrelson was also too old for the role

>>149516342
>dude what if Carnage killed a bunch of people lol
>dude what if Carnage had his gang of Symbiotes lol
>dude what if Carnage got attached to a much better villian like the Green Goblin
literal trash tier Villian, basicly on the level of Victor Zsasz only difference being Zsasz gets acknowledged for being a pathetic edgelord
dont show your shitty relic of the 90's in the presence of OCK ever again

>>149516765
Otto sucks, nobody respects fat people, lose weight you fucking loser.

Also Ottos origin is literally nothing.

When it comes to Ock vs Carnage, sorry but Ock may be old but mad scientist is the lowest tier of villain. It's why everyone loves Silence of the Lambs but mad scientists are reserved for baby shit like Sonic and Mega Man. Unless you're a real sicko like ReAnimator, just being "arrogant man child scientist" only works in little kids media

>>149517562
Meanwhile average venom fan
>>149515410

>>149517727
Can confirm. I look like this.

>>149517562
Wow what a original response nigger
too bad, always top 5 Spider-man villian no matter where you look, stay seething
>>149517648
>mad scientist is the lowest tier of villain. It's why everyone loves Silence of the Lambs but mad scientists are reserved for baby shit
this is probably the most uneducated and childish opinion ive ever heard on fiction, and that says alot since i browse 4chan
Mad scientist is a timeless top tier villian trop, the fact that you cant even recognise this within comic books with guys like like Dr. Doom, Dr Sivana, The Tinkerer, Modok, The Leader, Mr Sinister, Hugo Strange hell fucking LEX LUTHOR.
Not even that but its a timeless tradition that goes back to the origins of science fiction writing with Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and Jekyll and Hyde, just two of the greatest books in classic literature
but then again looking at your opinion the only book you probably read out once you got out of elementary is probably the menu of a Taco Bell
Edgelords once again proving they arnt only immature but also generally very dumb
i expect your cope in the next post

>>149514208
>Venom in the 90s, Venom was a character who was popular without Spider-Man
Lol wut
Venom in the 90s was popular because of Spider-man
He was edgy spider-man, Marvel wanted a edgy Spider-man and found that in Venom
Its not like the Punisher who had enough character to become his own thing after debuting as a villian

I like Shocker, he makes me smile

>>149518117
they didn't use spider-man to get over all their new heroes, they threw venom on shit to sell things, because this was the SPAWN era

>>149518514
that doesnt really refute my point
Venom was popular because he was a edgy Spider-man

>>149518577
Venom is a lot more than a simple evil clone or dark mirror character, because Spider-Man isn't a befanged drooling alien human hybrid. This is why he can't totally be compared to the Reverse Flashs, Scourges (either), Warios, Negaducks etc

>>149518768
>>149518577
I've always thought of Venom more like Deadpool. You're always going to think about X-Men with Deadpool, especially Wolverine, but the character still has his own thing and fans. Same with Venom to Spider-Man

>>149518768
>>149518872
Answer this question
Who's costume and logo is Venom sporting

>>149518966
Technically Venoms, retroactively

>>149518117
>not like the Punisher who had enough character to become his own thing after debuting as a villian
That's literally what happened lol

>>149519115
Technically venom is wearing Spiderman's suit
Wich gave him Spiderman's powers >>149519143
Is the Punisher running around in Spideys old clothes?

>>149519225
It's not Spider-Mans suit, it's an alien slime that got on him in outer space or something

>>149519278
Does the suit have a giant spider on it
And spiderman eyes
And have build in web shooters

>>149519296
It's a dragon

>>149519225
Well, there was that one What If?...

>>149517971
Lex Luger was garbage until the reboot where they turned him into Norman Osborn and created Lexcorp

>>149517727
Meanwhile, average Spidey self inserter

>>149519296
Venom doesn't shoot webs, it just makes it seem that way

>>149519504
>90sfag who cant even properly write Luthors name
I don't think you have any ground to stand on champ
I think its time to move on accept your obsession is a relic like pogs Crystal Pepsi

>>149519371
Its a Spider
>>149519733
See pic

>>149519756
>zoomer doesn't even get a wrestling joke
Your generation is a failure, and anyway Carnage and Venom are more popular than Dock Ock, this is proven by there being zero Dock Ock shirts ever produced or sold

>>149519815
Venom shoots symbiote tendrils and uses their shapeshifting powers to make it look like webbing, this was established in early Venom stories

>>149519852
>Dude you didnt watch half naked sweathy men rub each other with gay storylines
your not exactly helping your case here
Ever think that the rest of the world didn't care?
Still doesn't change the fact that Doc Ock is a top 3 Spider man villian

>>149519887
Dock Ock, Green Goblin, and Venom are the top three Spider-Man villains via iconic status/arch status. If we went by pure popularity, Carnage would beat out Ock because he sells more merch.

And in any case, Otto's origin is not stronger than Carnage's, or Venom's, Otto literally has zero motivation for being evil that isn't an asspull, and even though I love Goblin, if we're being honest, his early stories weren't great either, he was just some asshole who wanted to be a crime boss

>>149519925
Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that Ock is a timeless villian that has been featured in countless iconic Spiderman stories and same goes for Goblin, Vulture, Sandman etc
These villains are more integral to Spider-mans mythos more than Venom or Carnage are
You don't really have a foot to stand on, seeing as how you think watching sweaty men hugging and rubbing each other in skimpy outfits is high tier entertainment

>>149520026
Vulture and Sandman are not integral to Spider-Man. Venom is because he's the only thing that kept the brand from being considered corny in the age of Wolverine and Spawn worship, and literally only Goblin and Venom have any feats on Spider-Man, both traumatizing him

Superior is non canon just like all comics post 90s, and it's cringey wank anyway
>you think watching sweaty men hugging and rubbing each other in skimpy outfits is high tier entertainment
That's literally Spider-Man

>>149509794
I don't mind a slight southern accent but yeah that VA was perfect for him. Carnage is supposed to be an evil and edgy gen-x delinquent nihilist who is also a serial killer.
Also I always think that when the killing stops for long enough then the symbiote and Kletus have to go through massive withdrawal and start to really conflict with each other. That hasn't been done much right? Joker hates Harley when he loses and I bet Kletus hates Red when they lose. Kletus also at one point I could see finding the overkill he is able to do with the symbiote, boring. I could see a story where he shirks the symbiote.

>>149515908
Naw. MCU still did Shocker dirty.

>>149520055
>Vulture and Sandman are not integral to Spider-Man
Lol
The original ditko villains that where a integral part of his foundation as a super heroe and are founding members of arguably the most popular supervillain group next to the Legion of Doom
Theres a reason these villains keep appearing to this day, they survived every industry landscape thrown at them
>That kept the brand from being considered corny
Spider-man was never corny, especially not in the 90s when TAS was airing, Spider-man never ran the risk of falling into irrelevance like Superman, Venom was a footnote in the characters history and would have been forgotten had Marvel not gone headfirst into the edgy character hype that nearly killed the industry (and Marvel comics)
The original 6 are integral to Spider-man and have been in every elseworld, adaptation you name it
Meanwhile Venom haf to constantly be reinvented or change hosts to stay relevant after the 90s

>>149520422
>The original ditko villains that where a integral part of his foundation as a super heroe and are founding members of arguably the most popular supervillain group next to the Legion of Doom
Says who? Sinister Six just proves how weak they are, six villains all jobbing
>Spider-man was never corny, especially not in the 90s when TAS was airing, Spider-man never ran the risk of falling into irrelevance like Superman
McFarlane saved it, or it would have. X-Men was popular, during the time of Venom, Wolverine was the fan favorite and they were fighting demons from hell, it was a different time zoomer, we had balls.

And TAS intro is full of metal music and showcases Venom as the main villain of the series with how it's presented, Venom also got more action figures than any other character in the 90s

>Meanwhile Venom haf to constantly be reinvented or change hosts to stay relevant after the 90s
No Marvel comics have been relevant since the 90s because of crap like that, nobody cares about anything but Civil War which was shit too

>>149520799
>Says who?
60 years of comic history and still being the best lineup in Spideys rogues gallery
>McFarlane saved it,
Due to great artwork, but his Spiderman title wasn't exactly remembered for great stories
> we had balls.
Nah you were just kids in a phase
Spider-man as a character moved on from that phase, Venom is that phase, that's all he will be
Venom was featured alongside rvery other Villian in the intro, hell he has as much screen time in that Intro as Dock Ock, and in the show itself Venom didn't appear in more episodes than any other Villian
It seems to me you are mentally stuck in the 90s, the era that almost killed comics because of edgefests
Why not hyperfixate on the good comics from that era? Starman? Sandman mystery theater? Maybe Hellblazer
Those comics stood the test of time and are still remembered as all time classics

>>149521029
>60 years of comic history and still being the best lineup in Spideys rogues gallery
Nobody knows them like they know The Killing Joke, Long Halloween, etc, stop LARPing

As for your denial of Venom, it's dumb and not even worth arguing. You go to Walmart and like 30 percent of the Marvel merch is various Venom shit, Venom is the only villain casual people get super hyped to see, etc.

>>149521145
The most popular Marvel characters are easily
>Spider-Man
>Iron Man
>Captain America
>Thor/Loki
>Wolverine
>Deadpool
>Venom
>Punisher

>>149521029
You're absolutely nuts if you think Kraven and Vulture are more popular than Venom

Here's an idea, Sandman, Hydroman, Electro, Shocker, and maybe Molten Man would be the ultimate symbiote hunter squad. Sandman and Hydro probably can't be bonded to, Electricity is kinda like fire and Venom and Carnage are super weak or somewhat weak to that, and Shocker and Molten Man are self-explanatory.
>>149519867
I can't remember where it says that but I could see the symbiote being able to replicate those chemicals used to create it.

>>149521272
The webbing is the symbiote, one of the first ways Spider-Man beat Venom was by realizing this and making him use too much webbing which depleted his costume itself leaving him all nakey

>>149521386
Ah fuck how could I forget that plot point with the church bell and Spidey's inner thoughts revealing that factoid.
But what I said isn't completely false. The symbiote could be shapeshifting itself into webbing that has the same properties and look the same. It also sometimes is just black goo. So I guess Venom shoots both tendrils and webs. But both have a limit as demonstrated by issue 300 and other comics where it can't fully envelop something.

>>149521272
Sandman hates Venom. This comic is pretty pure shit in every way, especially toward Venom, but I like the dynamic of him trying to join the Sinister Six and being the outcast because he's a legit psycho and not just a crook

>>149522012
And apparently, Venom can eat Sandman and make him crumble

>>149522329
What? What happens then? That just looks like every other time when Sandman gets punched. The sand flies away to later go back into him or is hard and gets blown away as chunks, again, implied to just recede back into him on the ground. I don't get what is special about that.
But I do like Sandman having a natural animosity towards Venom. Sandman gets along with guys like Thing and Venom is the whiney villain who feels personal vengeance that these classic villains just did for money.

>>149522377

>>149522388
Oh ok. Wonder if that is still the case or was a retcon to previous stuff.

>>149522479
Dunno but obviously Sandman comes back, idr I think there was more to it. That story could have been good if the writer didn't have such a hateboner for Venom. You basically had like two kinds of Venom writing, people who went along with the characters natrual progression, and those who resented his popularity and kept trying to write him to be a dimwitted serial killer who was pure evil, despite that never really being the intention

>>149522731
I do like early villain Venom but yes at that point it was dumb to do that. Same with Sandman.

>>149522813
Yeah I like Venom in his original villainous role, but when writers kept doubling down on it they made it dumb because even in those original stories, Venom didn't just kill because he loved it.....it was nuanced, you knew he did, but he lamented, etc, it was the "warped morals" gimmick that was the basis of Brock from the start

That's the problem with comic books though revolving writers means anyone does whatever regardless of how it actually fits into the bigger narrative, some villains should never cross over, but ones who it makes sense for, shouldn't be regressed just for status quo or worse, spite

>>149522388
Why is venoms head so boxy

>>149523163
It's almost as if Marvel should have a position at their company that communicates with artists and writers to coordinate their actions so that the artistic merit and quality of the entertainment being provided is maintained and the material isn't objectionable...

>>149523576
We don't talk about that era of JRJR Venom.

Dude couldnt even count to 8. I razzed him for it and made him fix PP 10 Venom Cover to have 8 legs on the emblem.

>>149513117
>Carnage and a little girl.
Where

>>149509794
>>149520163
Everyone forgets that Cletus was born and raised in Brooklyn. Do they really think he's supposed to be a hick just because his name is Cletus?

>>149523803
Proof?
>>149524044
Whoops I spelled that wrong. Yeah that makes sense. Cletus was sent to St. Estes.

>>149515363
I hate when they give symbiote characters toes

>>149524336
I have mixed feelings on that

>>149513117
What did he do to the girl?

>>149524566
Bonded....

>>149525413
Bonded?

>>149525413
>>149525529

>>149524044
Cletus being turned into a hick because of his name is one of those moments that just makes you understand how dim comic writers are

It's fine to dislike the old goon villains, it's ok to dislike the zany scientists, it's ok to dislike the edgelord villains. What I don't get though, is why people want less variety

Like bro these are books that go on for decades, you can't just have one flavor of shit all the time unless you're autistic. It's like when people insist anti-heroes SHOULDN'T exist because they undermine the real heroes, like what fucking world are you living in and how boring do you want your comic universe?

>>149526830

>>149527123

>>149526830
Yeah you're basically arguing to extremists. Those guys can't conceive of a story like the Commuter Cometh where a hero is placed in a new context for a good reason. It's just when stuff like Bendis's Venom happens where the symbiote is placed in a Green Lantern context/history and that doesn't fit with the symbiote aesthetic or the character up until that point.
As with almost everything, somewhere in the middle is the best. And there will always be people who can't agree on what that middle or sweet spot is.
I get that it's a Deadpool comic but the argument is a strawman. Street level heroes being placed in cosmic contexts can be done well. I think Venom could do alright in space and maybe Moon Knight as well, I dunno. But the writer has gotta have a plan/idea.
Simple as that. But they also have to have the backbone that when the inevitable shit storm happens they can't bend the knee for a dumb reason and they gotta keep a cool head or else they'll be Dan Slott and stick their head in the ground and say they are the 2nd coming of Christ for their book.

>>149527562
I always thought it was mocking the types with those attitudes, Venompool is presented more as the protagonist while that big event battle scene is ridiculous

>>149527434
she cute

>>149499465 (OP)
I wish spidey's retards with dangerous powers got more hype. It's honestly hilarious how little Hydro-man has going for him despite being a Spider-Man rogue.

>>149528192
Yeah it is mocking those types which is fine it just fails to consider the other side which Marvel generally never does now as they hire people who just make up shit like Spider-baby or Spider-rooster, or whatever and stretch the character thin by putting them in a context that doesn't suit them. Case in point, Venompool. It's just what if x character + y character to make xy-character! Maybe the issue is good and mocks that too, I dunno. But from that page, it fails to consider that Marvel used to make fun of DC with all their Super characters like Superhorse or whatever. People wanna read about Superman in Metropolis not Clark in Detroit where he's trying to get over an alcohol addiction. Or Spider-Man running a corporation. Like maybe a deft writer could pull those off but most of time you get a pale imitation.
Now they think no limits is the way go about it except for characters like Spider-Man's marriage or X-Men being always morally in the right when it comes to their existence.
>>149528781
Hydroman proooohhhh! :D
Wow he should wear elephant t-shirts.

>>149529147
What if Venom Possessed Deadpool is....interesting. It's not so much typical gimmicky and more a weird trip making fun of comic books and its fans, I enjoy it desu. Really has nothing for Deadpool or Venom fans they're just kinda the things chosen

>>149528781
He's liquids

>>149529925
No he's HYDRO

Bump

>>149525975
Elsie? As in Elsie dee?

From the comics I've seen, carnage has killed at least 6 children

>>149530472
...man

>>149531780
Probably more

>>149499465 (OP)
how many inches is that

>>149534570
almost 25

>>149534570
Can you read bro

>>149501555
I like how in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers, Joker mocks him for being a mass murderer with no sense of style.

>>149537218
it's the only well written part in that book, and probably the best example i can find of understanding these two characters at both of their cores

>>149537697
The arts good but Batman solos Carnage because his genius detective skills say "serial killers kill....because they're afraid of death themselves" so suddenly Carnage gets scared, which loosens Cletes bond with the symbiote, and Batman just kicks his ass out of it.

>>149537140
a little

>>149538133
Which issue?

>>149540181
its this crossover

>>149540344
>Bagley
Always good art in the 90s

>>149538133
Batman can do anything duh

>>149516765
Okay but what if...Bullseye Carnage

>>149542139
That'd be interesting, Bullseye is kinda like Cletus but more interested in money than bloodshed, though just as ruthless/sociopathic

>>149527434
im gonna have to make porn of her

>>149543038
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