Thread 149501072

>haven't read Batman in ages, maybe more than a decade
>whenever I looked at the storytimes here by Zdarsky or whoever, it was just utter trash with robotic hands overwriting personas and stupid dumbed down cyberpunk
>hear Fraction is the new writer of the mainline title and it's going to be more fantastical and bright
>figured that he wrote a good Iron Man and so, worst case scenario, this will be like a bat-themed Iron Fraction run
>hear from early reviews that the book is very "Blade Runner" and "Judge Dredd"
>last days of making changes to my pull list add it, whatever, might as well give it a shot
>2nd issue solicits have Tim "Faggot" Drake front and centre
I'm literally emailing them as soon as the new solicits come out and cancelling. Why can't we just get a solo Batman story anymore? I don't care about the myriads of Robins, let alone the most useless and retarded one, faggotry aside. I don't care about the retarded "BatFam". Why can't I just get Batman being solo and doing cool things? Who likes the "BatFam" beyond retards from Xitter? Who wants to read a Batman title just to have other faggots hogging the spotlight?

>>149501072 (OP)
"Hey can you NOT use this character archetype that's been in the IP for 79 of it's 80 year publication history?"
Fucking dipshit.

Start reading from #1, note what you want to read again and what you don't. There are no new comics the medium is finished.

>>149501072 (OP)
Nice blog post, dipshit.

>>149501072 (OP)
I recommend Detective Comics #27 to #37 and nothing else. Good luck, anon.

>>149501072 (OP)
>that the book is very "Blade Runner" and "Judge Dredd"
What does this even mean?
That Batman is now a Cyber Punk book, or is Fractions is trying to ape British creators?

>>149501197
Continuing Zdarsky's take where Gotham is Cyberpunk-lite. And there's LuthorCorp power armours and private police forces and whatnot.

Reposting from elsewhere because I asked in 10 different threads but never got a reply:

Assuming I was a newfaggot who seldom reads comics but has lately got a Batman itch, and I wanted to start reading batman from his origin story and then go chronologically from there, seeing the rise and fall of his villains, where would I begin?

I don't understand how comic continuity works. Batman Year One seems to be the result I find the most online, but perhaps you guys know a bit more than me

Like you OP, I'd rather get something about Batman being Batman without shit like Batgirl, Jason Todd or whatever, at least not at the very beginning

>>149501335
>I don't understand how comic continuity works.
It doesn't. Think about comicbooks as a soap opera where plots just keep going in circles.
But I would go with the post-Crisis continuity, starting with Year One and then reading everything Batman/Detective comics since 1985 till 2011. In 2011 there was yet ANOTHER reboot with New 52. Some people hate it, some like it, I think the Batstuff in it was fine, so you can give it a go as well.
I assume other anons that are much more "in the know" can give you a more coherent answer.

>>149501392
>starting with Year One
Yeah I read a bit of that yesterday
I am honestly surprised that there is no modern run that is considered good, with all the games and shows I thought he got rebooted 20 times and instead he only got rebooted a couple

>>149501897
Technically, Batman gets rebooted everytime a new creative team gets their hands on him. But everybody is afraid of the "hard reboot", because that means you have to inevitably remove some profitable characters/books from your IP. That's why New 52 was such a mess, DC wanted a hard reboot, but they didn't have the balls to remove Nightwing, Killing Joke, Death in the Family and Damian and now we have a clusterfuck.
As for the modern runs - I liked the Snyder one. Especially the one about Commissioner Gordon becoming Batman. Because everybody was in on the joke, Barbara included.

>>149501285
was Zdarsky's run good? I enjoyed his stuff with Daredevil but I didn't touch his Batman yet

>>149501996
Eh.

>>149501335
I have a list that can hold you over for post-crisis Batman. The early years sections flows really well from one story to the next .Read this in order

Origin/early career
> Batman Year One (read this first)
> Batman Shaman
> Batman and the Monster Men (1)
> Batman and the Mad Monk (2)
> Batman The Man Who Laughs
> Batman the Long Halloween(1)
> Batman Dark Victory(2a)
> Catwoman When in Rome(2b)
> Batman the Gauntlet
> Robin Year One
> Batgirl Year One

Middle career
> Nightwing Year One
> Batman Second Chances
> Batman the Cult
> Batman Ego and other Tales
> Batman the Killing Joke
> Batman a Death in the Family
> Batman A Serious House on Serious Earth
> Batman Mad Love

>>149501088
If they want to tell a story with Robin they should use one of the good ones.
I mean, they should use the good one.
They should use Dick.

>>149501072 (OP)
>figured that he wrote a good Iron Man and so, worst case scenario, this will be like a bat-themed Iron Fraction run
whose tentacle will bruce kiss
jk my nigga fraction iron man is kino

>WHY CAN'T THERE BE A SOLO BATMAN STORY ANYMORE
>ignores the 8 thousand other Batman comics published every year

>>149502028
There's two stories worth including.
Batman: Gothic should go after Shaman.
Batman: The Wrath as collected is split between Early and Mid. It should go somewhere between Second Chances and The Killing Joke.

>>149502144
I’m the list poster. Thanks for the recs I’ll add those to my own list.

>>149502152
>>149502152
I’m gonna add I’m adding Wrath right before the Cult because I think the Cult —> Ego —> Killing Joke is an interesting look into Batman’s psyche.

>>149501931
The publishers need to stop being pussies, I bet there is a ton of talented writers that would kill to get the chance to retell Batman's origin from the start without having to worry about decades of pre existing stuff
They are too afraid to do this but will greenlight Gotham High, I don't understand how they think honestly.
>>149502028
Alright I'll look into these, thanks anon

>>149502035
When we had a long time Judge Dredd writer work on Batman, he was writing Tim as Robin(and did a great job, and his Batman work is among the peak of the character)

>>149502202
>I bet there is a ton of talented writers that would kill to get the chance to retell Batman's origin from the start
EVERYONE would love to do this, but people's patience for seeing the Wayne murders and early days of Batman wear thin unless you do something new with it, like Absolute Batman.
American comics as a medium take a long time to really make progress in general thanks to the monthly schedule
>They are too afraid to do this but will greenlight Gotham High,
The fanart from 2008 the dude tries to claim was a pitch?
Or I guess there was a graphic novel with that name a few years ago.

>>149501285
That was Tynion.

>>149502035

There is absolutely nothing notable about Dick Robin except that he is the oldest. He's the most boring of them all by far. People have a real fucking mental illness favoring old characters for no real reason.

>>149502028
Mad Love isn't canon. Post Crisis Ivy debuts mid No Man's Land. Also, Ego works better without a Robin.

dark patterns & absolute are the only batbooks worth reading rn

>>149502429
> Mad Love isn't canon
It’s canon where it matters (my head). lol but point taken.
> Post Crisis Ivy debuts mid No Man's Land.
I assume you mean Harley. I’ve only read the first volume of No Man’s Land, is Harley given an origin here? Or does she just show up. Do you think Mad Love contradicts anything for post-crisis? It’s the definitive Harley origin imo so I’d like to keep it
> Also, Ego works better without a Robin.
I’ve been reading my list to assess. I haven’t read ego in years. I’ve just finished the Mad Monk and moved on to Man Who Laughs. So I may read Ego after and then keep going, then re-read Ego where I have it listed and make the call. But I’ll keep your comments in mind because I can see where you’re coming from with wanting Batman to be isolated. My thought when placing it was strictly in relation to Killing Joke.
I appreciate the suggestions, if you have any more recommendations I’d love to hear it. I’m working on a similar list with Superman as well.

>>149502035
Remember when /co/ loved Tim? Most of you shipped him with Superboy before he was gay in canon. Iceman was way worse...

>>149502506
>absolute
Sorry I'm not 14

>>149502554
Yeah, Harley gets an origin in No Man's Land. It just doesn't work with TAS.

>>149501335
>I wanted to start reading batman from his origin story and then go chronologically from there, seeing the rise and fall of his villains, where would I begin?
For what it's worth, here's the current order of the early years.

>>149502729
Bummer, I’ll remove it from my list

>>149502596
No. Not even a little bit.
DC was in the middle of breaking Dick down to prop Tim up when /co/ was created.
It was the fags on Tumblr/LiveJournal/whatever, Newsarama, CBR, DCU Forums, etc. that were lapping it up. The casuals and the newfags who started reading comics with the Geoff Johns Teen Titans or the Willingham Robin runs.
Here we were shitting on it from day one.

>>149501996
It’s terrible but so was his daredevil

>>149502429
>Also, Ego works better without a Robin.
The boy is fine. He can take care of himself

>>149502775
Good catch!

>>149502506
bad take.
read watters and waid and ignore the rest.
dark patterns, nightwing, b&r year one, and world's finest

>>149502596
A couple of faggots from tumblr don’t represent the entirety of a board you faggot

>>149502766
People disliked what was happening to Tim but recognized he was a good character before that.
90's era Batman had always been well regarded here. That said, some anons really embraced the emo Robin era.
>t. other oldfag.

>>149502775
That's Dick. He's got the golden age briefs that cover some of his thighs. Also check the old-school batarang.

>>149501072 (OP)
A batman run is going to have robin. And tim is the natural one for the batman-robin contrast. Its that or making a new one.

>>149502809
Well yes, I didn't say otherwise

>>149502787
Oh, sure. Everyone (myself included) liked late 80s and 90s Tim. But in 2006? When Tim had just been adopted, had moved all his stuff into Dick's childhood bedroom, and was calling himself Timothy Wayne? Everyone hated that.

>>149501072 (OP)
Damian's also being used.

>>149502784
>he doens't remember bitches love Robin
I hate post 2011 newfags.

>>149502879
That was a general statement to list maker, who set it mid-career, as a Jason era Robin story.

>>149502882
NTA
Did they? More of a newfag but everyhing i see doesnt indicate that. wasnt quite the case. Threads with the tim get a lot of traction in the archives, there's some of that but it wasnt the majority opinion from what's observable.

>>149502897
Silly idea, but maybe /co/'s a forum, which means there never was a singular opinion held by every member? Meaning both statements are true.

>>149502897
rose is hmong

>>149502898
Maybe it could be placed at the beginning of middle career, before Nightwing Year One. It would def need to be placed after the Gauntlet. I think it could work where I initially placed it, Bruce could be remembering an idealized version of Robin. It’s a bit of a cope but I think it works

>>149502897
This was one guy who ripped off Bitches Love Spider-Man and Bitches Love Dick memes to deny Tim's increasingly homosexual tendencies.

>>149502987
Swain/Sir, one of our oldest drawfags, was also a huge Timfag

>>149502900
Are there any archives left from the early days? I remember a lot of pro-Tim-suicide posting around '08 when his emo phase was peaking. Didn't they literally have the suicide help line number at the end of one of his Robin issues?

>>149503124
https://old.sage.moe/co/ archives posts from 2003-2014, no images though.

>>149503124
Yeah there's the archives. And while that was a thing, its a case where there was legitimately both. And by red robin tim had largley bounced back in terms of popularity (arguably more so?)

>>149503142
Thanks for that.
So, this is the sort of stuff I remember from old /co/ about Tim Drake
https://old.sage.moe/co/thread/1096574/

>>149503161
> And by red robin tim had largely bounced back in terms of popularity
Yes that's the thing, in 2006-2009, no one thougt Tim would be stuck in a cycle for another 16 years. I think people expected things could be fixed in a few years time.
And Red Robin did feel like a return to form in a lot of ways, or at least seemed to give him a positive direction

>>149502035
You have World's Finest and Batman and Robin Year One if you want more Robin Dick.

>>149503222
Seems to be mocking dc more than tim the character ngl.

>>149501072 (OP)
>Why is Robin with Batman, lol?
Great post, you closeted fruitcake.

>>149501072 (OP)
>Why can't I just get Batman being solo and doing cool things?

Cause no one gives a shit about Batman when he's alone. Batman always needs a sidekick. He doesn't work without one.

>>149501996
It was dogshit. Up there with King as the worst Batman runs ever.

he should have done it

>>149503567
>posts panel written by Howard