Who was in the wrong here?

>>149507647 (OP)
Rose.

My biggest problem with this is that we never meet Steven's grandparents. One of the very few times since after season 2 I would have welcomed more humanshit.

Greg
lying by omission was absolutely wrong and Steven was 100% in the right to call him a fat piece of shit when the truth about his family was revealed

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg by a mile.

>>149507647 (OP)
Steven, Greg's parents never opened a single letter he sent them, so they probably wouldn't have wanted anything to do with steven outside of maybe trying to control him like they did with Greg.
Steven's powers were unpredictable and him going to school would have lead to a lot of questions Greg couldn't answer.

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg mainly.
I get not wanting to talk or bring up your controlling parents, but the fact Greg based his entire parenting style on being the extreme opposite of them, to the point where Steven had no real structure growing up and just too much freedom isnt a really good way to raise a kid.

>>149508511
But then still kept them.

>>149507647 (OP)
>WAAAAAH FUCK YOU DAD WHY COULDN'T I HAVE A NORMAL CHILDHOOD???
This nigga literally begged the Crystal Gems to take him on life-threatening mission despite them constantly telling him he wouldn't be safe. When Greg tried to save him from the homeworld gems invasion he went back to Beach City to fight them and ended up getting knocked unconscious and abducted. What the fuck is Steven complaining about? Is he really upset that he got to go on crazy adventures in space and save the universe instead of getting to go to public school?

>>149508778
>But mom(s), I don't wanna go on life threatening missions
>Then why did you ask for it?

>>149507647 (OP)
>WAAAAAH FUCK YOU DAD WHY COULDN'T I HAVE A NORMAL CHILDHOOD???
This nigga literally begged the Crystal Gems to take him on life-threatening mission despite them constantly telling him he wouldn't be safe. When Greg tried to save him from the homeworld gems invasion he went back to Beach City to fight them and ended up getting knocked unconscious and abducted. What the fuck is Steven complaining about? Is he really upset that he got to go on crazy adventures in space and save the universe instead of getting to go to public school?

The entirety of SU:F feels like a bad fanfic trying to "deconstruct" the completely benign premise of the original series by adding "real world logic" to it. "Oh a show about a little kid going on adventures, WELL now he has PTSD!!!" No. The whole point is that it's escapism. Like how gay would it be if kid heros like Ben 10 or whatever moped and complained about how they never got to live normal lives because they had to save the world? That would be fucking retarded

>>149507647 (OP)
I remember when that episode first came out, the few people still defending greg were saying that he had written letters to his parents telling them they had a grandson and if they wanted to meet him, but they never replied or something. So it was their fault.

Greg reaching out despite his dislike for his parents is a good deed, but that he never told steven about them cancels it out.

>>149507647 (OP)
Both: One for being a S.O.B. and the other one for being the son of a S.O.B.

>>149507647 (OP)
The gems. Steven was a child and Greg still stayed despite not really "needing" to be there. Meanwhile the gems who could've afforded to give Steven a semblance of a normal childhood didn't.

>>149509423
HE WANTED TO BE A CRYSTAL GEM!!!!
HE WANTED TO GO ON MISSIONS WITH THEM!!!
THAT WAS THE WHOLE FIRST SEASON!!!

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg in general. Steven just seemed to like the general idea of having some kind of structure in his life which Greg severely was too chicken shit to give to him.

>>149509463
It's all he knows at that point. It's not like he was ever given the choice to do other normal shit like go to school and what not.

feel free to debunk these, you're still an enabler.
>didn't tell Steven he had a family
>never sent him to school so he grew up a stunted idiot child
>no hospitals
>Steven grew up in a van
Greg is the worst hippie dad. Steven is a child and can't make decisions by himself and the gems are aliens and don't know any better so don't even bother bringing this up.

>>149509661
Greg is a good dad to Steven, but Greg personal issues when it comes to the discipline needed to raise a child makes him a terrible father if that makes sense.

The Gems are aliens that don't even reproduce like a human normally does, so you could argue they don't know better. Greg Should.

>Greg is a good guy
yes
>Greg is a terrible parent
yes

why do Greg defenders think the first cancels the other?

>>149509877>>149509661

He's a sad sort of guy. I can't imagine what he must have grown up with to never want to even mention his parents to Steven. Then one stunted man-child meets one stunted woman-child and the rest is history.

It's almost like Rebecca Sugar didn't think more then five minutes.

>>149507647 (OP)
Both of them for not fucking more Gems.

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg but also the Gems, they 100% decided to take care of Steven when he was born, Greg came along with it but I don't think they would had give him another choice too

>We're a cartoon family!
>We're so cool and zany!

>Until we don't and we want to be serious then we take everything that happens literally like it's real life

It's insencere.

>>149507647 (OP)
The Faggot who made the Show.

>>149509661
>Never sent him to school
>No hospitals
You're telling me no one bothered to call CPS on the nigga literally living in a van

>>149510659
Exactly

>>149507647 (OP)
How dare this little fucking turd claim Greg was on par with Rose ? .He gave you the best fucking childhood possible .Considering your mother's inheritance , the notion of normalcy you were obsessed with was impossible .School and Hospital ? .How , you moron ? .You do not exist in the eyes of the state .Not to mention your development as a Gem as well , alongside your Human part .And said Human part , seeing your interactions with Beach City and your father , were quite normal .

Stop blaming him for shit that was out of his control and some of which he tried to compensate for .

Steven was so annoying that even Connie got sick of him and dumped him

>>149508974
I am fine with him having trauma after it since he was basically burdened as a child with fixing the mental , emotional and psychological failings of an entire civilization and his basically family (And maybe meta commentary on how the show was only through his perspective and that warped his and our perception of that entire world) .And the people he helped actually giving back for once .

What I am not fine with is him being retarded , shitting over his amazing father , and not being told he is acting retarded .

>>149509661
My Nigga , Steven is not even legally a Person in the eyes of the State .How do you get him Medical appointments or enrolled into a School ? .And how do you balance that with the obvious magical Gem heritage of his mother ? .

Greg gave him all the normalcy possible .And he was pretty normal when engaging with Beach City and other Humans .

>>149507647 (OP)
Both. Greg for not giving Steven the full scoop on his side of the family (I don't think he even mentioned the uncle until he happened to come up). Steven because the little shit never expressed any interest and only threw a bitch fit because only now was he getting fed up with having to play clean up for his mom's retardation.

Greg's parents also seemed like pricks though and Steven's situation is weird to be fair

>>149513670
Honestly she should have dumped his ass after this stunt

>>149514048
It's not like it was meant to be a positive situation, he was fucking up royally

>>149514048
Rebecca Sugar was so alergic to Romance...

>>149514048
>>149513670
>Dumping a guy who is basically Superman that not only super loves her, but can also make her pseudo immortal, can likely fuck her for days, can heal both his own wounds and hers, and do kinky magic power stuff all because he did a spergy move one time when he was at a low point.
I mean I get the Steven hate, but objectively speaking her dumping him would be monumentally retarded on her part.

>>149513717
>in the eyes of the State
The state doesnt care. SU humans are dumber than the humans in Invader Zim.

>>149507647 (OP)
Both to various degrees. Greg should've made sure Steven knew the rest of his family, but also, it's one of those things as a teenager you flip out about until you're older and have kids of your own and realize things are just kind of like that sometimes.

you.

>>149514188
A legit flaw in Steven Universe since it's deliberate comedy in Invader Zim.

>>149513646
He could've just claimed Steven was a homebirth or something and got him set up with a SSN and such, but the huge magic gem in his navel was really the monkey wrench in things. He would've been abducted by the government or something.
>>149513695
I'd be more on board with this if they had played that up in the original. Like, having Steven's pep talks not work all the time and having to uncomfortably listen to trauma dumping or whatever, and then having the gems ignore his advice and throw a fit acting crazy still. Other than maybe Jasper, his spiel worked on everyone 100% of the time the first time he tried it. All he ever had to do was run into the room and go: "Yay! We're all friends! Everyone's just feeling a little misunderstood, but don't worry! We can all just get along!" and everyone went: "OMG Steven, you're right! Yay! You're the most special boy ever and we love you, lets all be friends now!"

I feel like if everything went exactly the way it did in the original series he not only wouldn't have trauma, but he would have an unrealistic touchy feely confidence about being able to solve all problems with positive vibes. It would've been better if instead of doing the PTSD angle right out the gate they instead showed that now that he was older people treated him more like a weird guy instead of a cute kid and dealing with adults' problems was a lot harder than what he was used to as a kid and that making him bummed out and having to figure out how to grow and navigate that.

>>149514048
>>149514061
>>149514102
>>149514139
I feel like it was lowkey propaganda. All of human history up until like 15 years ago that would have been perfectly normal and she would've just said yes and they would've started a family together, but instead they had to be like: "Just because we're dating doesn't mean WE'RE DATING, I have to go to college and be a career woman over anything else!"

>>149514293
You're retarded. The point was Steven was falling apart and not remotely in his right mind. A relationship built off of panic like that would be fucking doomed. Quit viewing everything as fucking political

>>149514272
>He would've been abducted by the government or something.
The same government that did nothing to stop the corrupted gems? Or the government that did nothing when the ocean was stolen? The government that did nothing about The Cluster? THAT government?

>>149514293
Makes sense when you realize how Faggot Rebecca sugar is with the Woke Propaganda:

As Google says:

"Yes, Rebecca Sugar is a woman. She also identifies as non-binary and uses both she/her and they/them pronouns, according to Nonbinary Wiki and a Reddit thread. She is the creator of the animated series Steven Universe. While she identifies as non-binary, she is fine with being perceived as a woman and uses she/her pronouns"

https://x.com/IfindRetards/status/1902876559821902068

>>149507647 (OP)
Steven is a child and a sheltered one at that so obviously the grown man who lied to his son his entire life is in the wrong.

Greg is a shitty parent through and through. Way too hands-off and distant. I'm not saying to be a helicopter parent but damn bro doesn't even live with his own son he lets him stay with literal aliens.

Why doesn't Greg let him into school? No wonder he's so retarded

>>149508974
>This nigga literally begged the Crystal Gems to take him on life-threatening mission despite them constantly telling him he wouldn't be safe.
Kids are fucking stupid

So when the hell did Steven develop trauma? Steven was a regular kid who liked going on adventures and eating junk food and seemed to do relatively well

>>149514102
The way she wrote Steven and Connie's relationship was a bit weird because they obviously like each other romantically throughout the entire show but there's never a moment where they officially graduate from friends to dating.

>>149514482
I see.

This is How anymore with common sense would feel in Beach City.

>>149507647 (OP)
now lets say Greg want to take 5 yo Steven to school, you think the gemsPearl would let him?

>>149514628
That would have been a fun episode

>>149514355
They were already in a relationship. They were in a relationship for 6 years. They dated from 6th grade through High School Graduation. Those are exactly the type of couples that get married right out of High School and stay together forever, and unless Sugar decides to arbitrarily break them up then that's exactly what they're going to do so there was no reason not to get married other than to gradually seed in the ever-growing message of "reject your boyfriend's marriage proposal" that's becoming more and more popular.

Also, no. Maybe I'd think about it if such inane requests as: "How about Mary Jane is played by a redheaded White Woman like in the comics?" stop getting taken as "ZOMG you must be a LITERAL NAZI" turnabout is fair play.
>>149514378
Don't forget all of those commercial adverts she did telling kids racism is wrong and White People were lying about ever inventing anything or having a culture and they would know for sure because the gems were there to see it.

>>149514375
Hey, I don't know why the government doesn't do anything but it only stands to reason that's why Greg didn't do any of those things besides the fact that Steven doesn't get hurt or sick because he has gem powers. Honestly, it's kind of poor writing because as other Anons have pointed out you can't be really loose with the realism and have everything work off cartoon logic then turn around and try to be super series and realistic about everything and go: "Why don't I have a social security card? What about my 7th grade vaccines?" the implication was they had to keep him a secret because he was a magical half alien, but then that went right out the window.

>>149514479
I'm guessing off screen. He seemed to be a little off by the time of the movie, which I found a bit strange because all Spinel needed was for him to do his regular Steven bit where he hugs and cries with with her and says that sucks, lets be friends and she would've been fine but for some reason he decides he has enough friends and doesn't want to do that anymore, then in-between the movie and Future he develops the rest of his trauma. It honestly would've played better if they had started building it up in the OG series.

>>149508974
>Like how gay would it be if kid heros like Ben 10 or whatever moped and complained about how they never got to live normal lives because they had to save the world? That would be fucking retarded
seemed like it was popular enough to get multiple seasons

>>149514970
Pure Propaganda.

>>149507759
Right? It's impossible to tell if Greg came from an abusive household or he's genuinely just an ungrateful little shit that chose homelessness over a stable family life. Personally, I think Steven was the only person making sense in that episode. Any rational person would be like "Why the fuck are we living in vans if you had all this?"

>>149509661
Greg is a terrible father but people give him a pass because he's nice. He's neglectful at best and a complete moron at worst.
>>149513717
You guys always say this but if there's one thing in Steven Universe we know for sure, the government does not give a shit about the gems. Even if they did, Greg not taking his son to a hospital or a school under a fake name shouldn't be out of the question.

>>149507647 (OP)

The gems and steven. Steven never cared about the human side of his family, not even when his uncle came to visit him. But i guess this happens when you hire writers who only did gay fanfics about anime characters

>kids want the opposite of however they were raised
It happened when the 60s raised the 80s

Rebecca sugar for making this crap “cartoon”

>>149514479
Dealing with the autism of his mom's side of the family along with some of the 'regular' outings. I mean the guy literally watched himself die before

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg.
Steven literally had to grow up living in a fucking van!
He never went to the doctor or to school and all that just because of his dad not wanting to put "pressure" on him because "oh my parents were really bad, Steven!"
And don't tell me it's money related either because the gems literally have a shitload of money and valuable antique human items they just hold onto for no reason
They could pay for Steven's college with ease the second Pearl pulls out the lost second sword of goujian that she just had for the past 2000 years

>>149517452
With thay being said it's funny how greg and rose have the same backstory

>>149509661
The gems don’t get a pass they’ve been on earth for decades not only a year. Garnet has a human friend that’s a mom she knows what humans need fuck off with that they’re aliens shit. That ship sailed decades ago.

>>149517458
Its just Greg didnt have a fuck ton of his people die and bring about a civilization wide depression

>>149507647 (OP)
Both

>>149517480
>That ship sailed decades ago.
Aren't the gems older than most nations? They are have had centuries to adopt to the more human norms.

>>149515080
Yeah but the whole point of this show is that it's a parody

>>149514048
To clarify: it's not that he asks her to marry him, that's one thing. No, what he says to her is "Let's get married and LIVE AS STEVONNIE" He's asking her to give up her personal autonomy to be a fusion with him INDEFINITELY!!!

>>149517480
It is implied that they kept to themselves and didn't mingle with the humans tho
They'd save the day but then just be "ok go away."

Calling themselves the Crystal Gems is weird as fuck. That's like a terrorist group calling themselves Team Human. Unless "crystal" has some particular connotation in Gem culture that we're simply not privy to

>>149519899
So basically a version of King of the Hill where it's all Islamists & Hindu men.
You are now fondly recalling every scene of Stevonnie as Reisen.
Because I wrote it first Sugar.
GOODBYE JASPER!

>>149508974
The entire point of this episode is that both Greg and his parents fucked up their kids with their parenting styles. There needs to be a balance. Steven was also being a whiny bitch though

>>149507709
The hot one?

>>149507647 (OP)
big puffa

>>149507647 (OP)
Frankly, I hate Steven more, so Steven. Yes, Greg fucked up as a parent, even considering his options as a single dad trying to raise a child on his own are limited even while knowing that the government would area 51 his kid and there's a trio of insane lesbian rock alien bitches always ready to stab him in the groin and leave him for dead while whisking away his retarded gem baby son. Steven fucked up as a person before he hit adulthood, which is a fucking accomplishment considering he's got people who literally worship the ground he walks on and lives in a Rebecca Sugar setting where there's probably trillions of only therapists he could pester if he was that much in need of help.

>>149521205
What the fuck are you talking about?

>muh government
there's no fucking government

>>149509661
>didn't tell Steven he had a family
You know if Steven, thought about how humans worked he would realize that genetically speaking he has grandparents. And could have asked his dad anytime.

>>149507647 (OP)
One day you'll grow out of the myopic view that someone always has to be right and someone always has to be wrong.

It's possible for them both to be right and wrong in the same argument.

>>149523681
I always felt like there was some sort of agreement made with the Crystal Gems and the various human governments during their founding, that the gov stays away from Gem business and they stay out of human affairs.
Centuries of higher officials telling people to stay away from gem shit is why humans are so dumb when it comes to stuff, meanwhile the gems allowed all the human wars and slavery and such happen.

>>149521212
>it's a "generational trauma" plot
This was such a common thing I'm perplexed. Did all the fags get a memo or something?

>>149515823
Did you see the things that happened in Beach City and how dangerous it got whenever Gem stuff spilled over that town with lots of open space ? .Imagine that but in a small classroom .

>>149514272
>having Steven's pep talks not work all the time and having to uncomfortably listen to trauma dumping or whatever

To be frank , that was basically every Lapis centric episode (I hate her so much) .And sometimes he does not even do a pep talk , like when Garnet saw the forced fusions .

>>149514272
>he would have an unrealistic touchy feely confidence about being able to solve all problems

I mean ,,, he kind of did .Most of Future was him dealing with this notion that he can solve any problem , sometimes forcibly and many he himself causes .Not saying it was handled perfectly but it was there .

>Wants to stop moping and finally get over her oneitis
>Gets with a chick that looks just like her ex
>This is the same Gem that insists she is the most intelligent and mature of her team
Why is Pearl like this?

>>149507647 (OP)
I think it's mostly Steven's. In the show, everyone that Steven helped were moving on and going for their dreams.

The only who couldn't move on was Steven. Feeling that no one needs him anymore. He started losing control of his gem power, Connie turned him down, and thinking that his dad was no different than his mom, but not knowing what his grandparents were like.

>>149507759
>>149515806
How slow are you? It's very obvious that Greg is a retarded wild child rock hippy and his family are conservative super-normalgafs. They just don't get along.

>>149514048
>>149519899
>guy who was raised by aliens wants to marry the girl he likes in the alien way
Connie of all people should have understood what's going on. She literally was at a wedding that was exactly this.

>>149525839
Yeah they know what garnet is and connie is was really pushy about fusing. She doesn't want to miss out on getting blasted in college like the writers did.

>>149525414
anon she's programmed to be loyal to pink diamond/ rose
of course she's going to default back to someone who resembles her
and then later realize that the correct choice is rose's lover

>>149525839
Oh come on he's clearly not THAT sheltered. Yeah he was raised by the gems but he's been around other humans his whole life. He obviously knows what a "normal" marraige entails and therefore knows that what he's asking Connie to agree to is not that.

>>149526895
Connie swinging around a sword and insisting on getting killed with him as a fusion isn't even close to normal either. If she wanted normal so bad she could have fucked off in the beginning like Steven tried to have her do for her own sake.

>>149527542
It's not about wanting "normal" it's about her wanting to be her own person instead of literally giving up her personal autonomy to be in a fusion all the time

>>149527619
That literally IS what's normal as opposed to stevens model for ideal love which is garnet you fucking idiot.

>>149522951
How Big is the Puffa?

>>149519899
>He's asking her to give up her personal autonomy to be a fusion with him INDEFINITELY!!!
its even more fucked up from his side, he's in such a spiral and hates himself enough to want to stop existing and let Stevonnie exist instead of him.
its like a fucked up form of suicide.

>>149507647 (OP)
I love how Steven forgave a space Hitler who genocided trillions across the entire galaxy but the way he was raised (which was never going to be normal no matter how he was raised) was truly unforgivable

>>149530196
He really didn't though. He simply earned enough of their respect to get them to see the error of their ways

>>149523681
Why won't they show it, though?

>>149507647 (OP)
Greg fucked up, but not out of malice. I don't exactly buy that Steven would have been better off living entirely with humans given that he really is a gem and he needed to learn how to use and control his powers, but I think a better balance could have been struck, like somebody definitely should have sent this kid to school and the doctor lol

>>149519899
Imagine if Connie's internalized resentment of the permafusion made her addicted to fucking other men AS Stevonnie. I'm talking humiliating ass fucking with Stevonnie's Murdercock: Curry Edition.

>>149530196
The space holocaust never happened