im going to watch beast wars because it feels comfy, am i going to become a Transformers autist?

im going to watch beast wars because it feels comfy, am i going to become a Transformers nudist?

>>149525282 (OP)
I watched it as a kid and never had any interest in any other transformers media past this show. The again I didn't cared for vroom vroom trucks as a child

>>149525282 (OP)
>am i going to become a Transformers autist?
YESSSSSSSSSSS, wait no honestly beast wars is kinomation. Transformers is really hit or miss to complete garbage to eh its ok.

Season 1 is rough as fuck tho, because of how fast hardware was moving in the 90's. A 100k SGI machine from like 94, gets fucking dunk'd on once GPU's started getting pumped out in the late 90's. Then they were able to get a shitload of workstations for cheap like 1/20th the price. Creating better everything, srsly season 1 compared to 2&3 is like comparing N64 to PS3-360

>>149525282 (OP)
Maybe. I love Beast Wars and Animated but I never became a huge… bothead? Whatever Transformers fans call themselves, I’m not it. Those series really stand on their own.

>>149525282 (OP)
you will become a blackarachnia gooner whether you like it or not

>>149525550
>bothead? Whatever Transformers fans call themselves, I’m not it.
Transmen

>>149525550
>Whatever Transformers fans call themselves
Robosexuals

>>149525282 (OP)
dunno,what is clear is that you find how badly it has aged

>>149525614
i clicked on the first episode of Beast Machines in french and her voice unironically made my dick twitch, it was over before it even started for me
https://files.catbox.moe/za45im.mp4
her little scream in the middle of this clip really gets me going

>>149525740
Nothing aged bad but the animation which is inevitable with CGI slop

>>149525282 (OP)
dont forget to show us your $100+ blackarachnia figure in two weeks anon

>>149526190
>$100+
>For this
Fuck that is their any real figs, this looks like some mcfarlane trash. Surely someone in Japan made at least one real figurine that is begging to be hotglued from outside the box.

>>149526273
>hotglued from outside the box
how does that work, do you just pour glue on the box or punch a small hole in the top and fill it up? the second option would only work with boxed that have a transparent front right?

>>149526273
>Wanting figurines of Transformers and not transforming toys
Weebs are the second worst people in the fandom after IDW fans

>>149526499
are there even transforming toys for her BW design? i can only find ones for her BM design

>>149526499
>not wanting a BDSM fig with silverbolt being tied up in web and an extra slutty looking blackarachnia
>wanting a shitty off model toy instead that falls apart after transforming it for the third/forth time

>>149525282 (OP)
If you haven't already, I suggest watching the first three episodes (More than Meets the Eye Parts 1-3) and the '86 Movie of the original cartoon before starting Beast Wars.

>>149526661
isnt that her season 3 design pf beast wars

>>149526678
why?

>>149526661
Did you mix up BW and BM, anon?
And yes, BM BA has two official toy molds: regular and McDonald's.

>>149526698
Because Beast Wars references them. Beast Wars is a sequel to the 80's cartoon (in broad strokes)

Looking back on it, you can really tell the writers also worked on Babylon 5

>>149526756
Wait, Bob Forward did?
I thought he'd only done stuff like She-Ra and DIC Legend of Zelda.
(I knew Larry DiTillio worked on Babylon 5: he and JMS has been together since He-Man).

>>149525282 (OP)
I mean I watched it and I turned out fine
>>149525410
ooh let's hope so.
>>149525450
exactly. Same. Before this came out I'm like "I'd KINDA like to figure out what channel Transformers is on, but I'd really also rather they just be tigers and stuff instead of cars" and then I drew my own tiger transformer, using the kinda shitty transformation techniques I'd learned from the 'mutatin' TMNT figures.
>>149525513
basically each of the seasons has a weakness. season 1 is a little.. wow they really thought we wanted to watch this slow movement going on here.. season 2 has the worst designs, and season 3 was rushed.

>>149525850
Holy shit that actually sounded like Scott McNeil as French Rattrap. That guy knows his shit.
>>149526190
i hope I get rich someday so I can have the MP beast wars guys
>>149526661
but this one... I have problems with.. because this design just kinda sucked, and they didn't fix it. it needs an overhaul. also the TV model made a rare error and fucked up what was presented as her beast mode head, AND made the robot face worse

>>149526661
bro the bw toys were all made before the show, they just cherry picked what characters they used mostly based on how easy theyd be to animate, every character in the show who is an actual transformer and not another alien/robot/monkey has toys

>>149525282 (OP)
Dinobot is the best written character in the history of animated western television and no one will convince me otherwise

>>149526719
I know they hated Beast Wars because money is apparently a bad thing but why they fuck did they have to ruin the designs so bad

>>149525625

>>149525282 (OP)
depends on how you're wired OP. most pieces of transformers media have aspects to them that are ass in some way even if other elements of it are really compelling, with Beast Wars the ass part is the graphics while everything else is super kino.
if you're the kind of person that can easily suspend their disbelief and overlook the aspects of something you don't like to lazer-focus instead on the aspects that you do, then transformers goes from hot wheels to greek mythology and you become an autist.

>>149527140
he is seriously up there. Funny how this show debuted a year after Star Trek gave us the absolute best Klingon character. Dinobot is absolutely second best Klingon personality after Martok.

>>149527533
the graphics are easy to get used to once you get hooked on it. The only thing that makes the series a 9/10 when it could have been easily a 10/10 is the Vok being a nothingburger because the writers had no idea of what to do with them.

>>149525282 (OP)
>pic
I'll be honest, I thought it was from an obscure adult swim show I've never heard of before. It has that Xavier renegade angel look to it
>t. not a Transformers fan

>>149527272
I don't think they were quite on "hate money" by Beast Machines, that's more of a recent thing. A thing that smells like baozi if you catch my drift.

back then it was more like... well I don't think we've really identified it well enough to put a name to the trend yet, but there was this basic pattern in the late 90s of
>have incredibly, massively huge show, huge acclaim
>let's fucking ruin it because we've gotten really scared of messing up, now that we're so huge.
>We're also too stupid to realize we're causing the thing we want to avoid, like a time traveler.
>Also we have brand new really dumb ideas in our heads, that contradict the success we've had so far
happened to WB shows, happened to Disney TV animation...

>>149525282 (OP)
I remember the scenes were they ran and had action music, so stiff, nostalgia. I hand no idea of the plot but there was a rat.

>>149527533
I mean, the graphics in beast wars at least weren't hideous (until the fucking apemen) the way Beast Machines graphics were.. they were good designs, mostly.. yeah the lack of shadows sucks, but beyond that... there's very little that looks 'wrong.' like okay Rhinox's beast mode eyes were a very wrong choice, and the Transmetal 1 designs had... issues.. but that was the toy designers' fault.. I dunno..
I think if there's a weak point to Beast Wars, it's the canadian sense of humor. Every so often they're like "haha wouldn't it be funny if we stuck a looney tunes gag into our serious show about life and death and robots with lasers?" and it NEVER works. Not even for what they're doing with it, because mashing Waspinator flat, or having him become a rock'em sock'em robot as a joke.. requires a brand new kind of graphical invention that you aren't going to be doing well since you just invented it.

>>149527724
Rattrap's adult humor just barely dodging the censorship is peak comedy

>>149525550
Transexuals

>>149528021
oh no yeah, don't get me wrong, most of the comedy was perfect. I'm even a fan of rhinox farting, it was set up perfectly. perfect payoff to an episode-long buildup of worry about Rhinox, literally ending in cathartic relief.
it's just those occasional moments when, for some reason, they had this 'creative' idea to do something like have a guy be shredded into pieces, and it was both not funny, and not well animated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4X4lz3ihyM
I don't get it, there's a secret hiding spot for McRibs?

>>149525550
Yeah I also used to be a semi-regular TF fan when I was younger but I eventually grew out of it, but TFO rekindled my passion a hundredfold compared to before.

Do you think the reason why the writers ruined Waspinator's good ending in BW is because his presence in prehistoric earth would fuck up the timeline?

>>149528506
>Changing back Rhinox is bad and wrong
>Changing back Silverbolt is good and right
>No one even bothers trying to change Waspinator back despite it being able to cost Megatron a lieutenant
I think they're just dicks

>>149528572
Beast Machines did not have good morals or make sense. they tried to put in a fucking 'plants good' eco message

>>149528593
I thought the message of the show is that there must be a balance between technology and nature? Which is why Primal refuses to use the weapon of mass destruction that would destroy all technological life and the technorganic Cybertron looks so frutiger aero.

>>149525282 (OP)
You are in your 20s so no. I was a kid so I wanted those toys.

>>149528649
I appreciate how revolutionary the toys were at the time but I hate how so many of them were shellformers and how Dinobot's robot legs are so poorly hidden in beast mode

>>149528639
sure but.. yknow. it was already a pure machine planet and... it was all very uh, what the young people today would call 'green-coded'
a plant transformer is a cute idea, but the execution was terrible.
>>149528677
The early ones were Kenner prioritizing monstrousness, then later on they got better, but then Japan took them over and said "what if lots and lots of shellformers"

>>149528707
The only way I can imagine a plantformer working in concept is if the alt mode is a venus flytrap

>>149528743
or a triffid

>>149527272
They didn't hate BW, they learned the wrong lesson

>Drastic change is good!!

>>149526893
They're already nude though

>>149528922
oh yeah
though in at least one microcontinuity, organic beast forms are an evolution of the Pretender technology, so they're kind of clothed.

>>149525282 (OP)
I watched beast wars and it turned me into a transformers autist. It’s too good

>>149528707
>it was already a pure machine planet
it wasn't in the g1 cartoon

>>149529953
explain

>>149526756
... can you?

>>149526931
look at the honkers on this thing, damn

>>149531137
Nta but yeah. Beast Wars feels like a slightly more kid friendly version of 90s syndicated sci-fi shows( which were already often kid friendly enough)

>>149526661
>>149526931
For me it's the Kingdom deluxe mold from 2021

>>149526012
sad to call this slop because it wasn't just cranked out but made with a bunch of experimental techniques. Commissioned to sell toys , sure, but they were trying to do more than the bare minimum. Rendering shadows wasn't even a standard back then, but the animators would just figure out how to do it.

>>149529969
what is there to explain? in the g1 cartoon cybertron wasn't entirely mechanical

>>149526661
Both that figure(which is from season 3) and the one here
>>149526190
Can Transform. Spider-mode is a bit janky but the. CGI model wasn't actually transforming so the proportions don't work in reality. There's also
>>149532210
as a cheaper option with a slightly smaller size and less paint but still fairly amazing accuracy

>>149532766
>>149526190

>>149525282 (OP)
Nope, Beast Wars stands alone. I love Beast Wars and have never seen anything else Transformers-related.

>>149525282 (OP)
be sure to watch it in 144p as god intended

>>149533119
unironically, don't watch any upload of it in widescreen. it was made in 4:3 ratio, anything else stretches it out. i don't know if they still do it now, but even the official Transformers youtube channel had it in stretched-out widescreen for the longest time.

>>149528506
The people that made Beast Machines probably didn't even know what happened to him at the end of Beast Wars.

>>149533694
there's a flashback sequence in BM showing the caveman fed up with Waspinator's bullshit and catapulting him with a palmtree

>>149525282 (OP)
You'll be fine. I watched this as a kid and couldn't get into the other transformers stuff cause they weren't beast wars. This show was kind of it's own thing. I think a lot people that started with this as their first exposure felt the same way I did.

>>149534206
People like you are probably the reason why Hasbro's current approach with the franchise is similar to capeshit, always keeping the characters and lore familiar between different series for brand recognition. Reinventing itself from scratch like they did in the beast era and the unicron trilogy has the risk of alienating a huge chunk of the fanbase(except in Japan where kid franchises always do that every year probably because of the influence from tokusatsu)

>>149534338
That's fair. At the same time the setting, animals and dinosaurs were what drew me in. If they never attempted something different they probably wouldn't have got me to begin with.

I watched the war for cybertron show a few years ago cause they were bringing back some beast characters. I was massively disappointed they didn't bring any of the voice cast back for it. They were one of the best parts of the original show.

>>149534645
rattrap looks vey clankable here

>>149525282 (OP)
Probably not, Beast Wars is removed enough that it wouldn't spiral into grander series autism. It's still good though

The only thing I know about Beast Wars is that some asshole put a hyperlink for real mousetrap for character named Rattrap for some reason. Downright unprofessional.

>>149531741
interestingly they turn into palps on the spider mode which.. makes it look male.

>>149532210
once you get the slutty leopard print bra version and swap out the spider legs
or the Takara version that paints them
>>149532750
was too. it was literally Primus.
>>149532772
man, they TRIED.
>>149532780
This one I feel there's no excuse for the beast legs looking this bad.. or the gappy elbows, but beyond that, good.
>>149532789
there had to be more they could do with the dino feet
>>149533260
seriously?who DOES that

>>149533694
They literally deliberately hired people who had not seen it, and told them very little
>>149534338
yeah but, that's not what happened in TF. what happened is that, but G1 forever. everything has to be G1, all the time. nothing new or innovative is allowed.. anon is allowed to like beast wars exclusively, as long as that didn't happen for it.

>>149534645
or yknow, put in any work. it looked like absolute garbage and had no plot.

>>149528453
I still have to get around to that one. I regret not supporting it in theaters.

>>149526190
I never liked Blackarachnia, she ate up way too much screentime, especially in season 2.

>>149525282 (OP)
im 2 episodes in, when does Blackarachnia show up

>>149537547
Eighth episode, not a long way to go

>>149526190
>Tarantulas implicitly made her this way so he could fuck her
Based Unicron's Spawn

Black Arachnia is hot, and her romance was great to watch. But for me, it's Airazor.

>>149537881
>Hey, she was there.

At least Tigatron got decent development, poor lady was wasted potential.

>>149533746
But how the hell did that had enough power to launch him into other space into the transwarp?

>>149538092
It didn't, after Waspinator got deposed iirc he decided to fly back to Cybertron under his own power, which he eventually did

>>149538052
fun fact , tigatrons role was meant for wolfang, but they just used the cheetor repaint since they'd only have to minorly rework the cgi model

>>149538385
and if they had used wolfang, i guarantee they wouldn't have used silverbolt because why have two grey wolf characters in a show, which means we would have gotten one of the other maximal fuzors, so perhaps
>torca
>bantor
>air hammer
>noctorro

This show did absolutely the best job ever of like, representing toys. You got like
>unique scenario where new characters could show up at random (you bought a toy) and they even come in a pod
>Individual character specialties and traits that only overlap a little
>variety of weapons so everyone has a role in battle, it's not just samey pew pew effects
>weapons actually IMPACT so you feel something as you watch
>lots of plot reasons to travel long distances and stuff so you want to transform them
it's hard to think of a better toy-show than this

>>149538052
BA and Airazor's job was to be strong female characters in a show about fighting robots, without being obnoxious, girlbossy, or showing up the male characters at all. They were just kind of awesome.

>>149538121
That made so little sense but I still laughed
like the implication is he flew the distance from earth to cybertron and it just took him a couple million years.. plus the original 400 years.. to get there just in time to meet up with his old pal Megatron.

>>149538444
airhammer would have been fucking badass in the show
i wish someone with CG skills would give us "TV style versions of the toy-original characters" like in accurate mainframe art style. Making the kinds of changes that they made in season 1, not how they stayed accurate in the later ones.

>>149539277
I think most of the BW toys that didn't make it to the show still had CG models used in the commercials?

>>149539358
maybe a small percentage did, but that's not really the same. they were not refined at all, just copied.

>>149539254
According to Waspinator himself it "took forever"

>>149539358
>>149539378
I don’t know about the commercials but I know a significant amount were given 3D models due to the Japanese packaging. It’s how we got models of characters like Lio Convoy and Galvatron

>>149539737
oh right, there's also the japanese packaging cg models.. and again those are just accurate to the toys... not that you'd need to change much for these guys anyway.

>>149539737
this looks so cool

>>149538444
Based Torca trips
He was cool as fuck in The Gathering

>>149540725
kinda feels like that pod wouldn't have fit on the axalon

>>149525282 (OP)
you'll meet my wife soon

>>149541755
does fanart like this even think about the beast mode, or does it give zero shits? because those spider legs are pretty tiny

>>149542324
I mean BW the cartoon itself cheated a lot, look at Terrorsaurs wings, conveniently repositioned to little spikes on his shoulders

>>149542357
Compared to how his toy was, with the big Seeker-esque upside down wings

>>149542357
he's rather unique in that regard. Backpacks shrank, sure, but it was never to this extent.
okay fair enough BA cheats a lot, I'm just saying, generally KIBBLE is in scale. Terrorsaur's wings.. are basically nowhere on him. Which is funny because he could easily have had like Starscreamy wings like the toy, but..

>>149525282 (OP)
I find most canadian cartoons trash and yet Transformers BW and Ed, Edd'n Eddy are my favorite western cartoons

>>149542413
I am proud of them for how they dealt with the transmetal 1 designs, awkward as they are.. there was no saving Primal or Cheetor, but they tried.. they had Primal detach his backpack to become cannons.. had Rattrap's backpack rotate 180 degrees so it was no longer a gigantic hip package.... let megatron shoot lasers out of his t-rex fingers..

I did not care for Code of Hero. It insisted upon itself and felt unearned.

>>149526190
>>149526661
Why does a robot need boobs?

>>149542870
That’s cause most Canadian cartoons tend to be pretty cheap, whereas Ed, Edd, and Eddy and Beast Wars were both somewhat expensive
>>149543054
It’s funny how basically every cartoon had to cheat the toy designs until Car Robots came around and even then it didn’t get super accurate until the UT

>>149543364
Rattrap mentioned a nightclub in Cybertron where the waitresses don't wear the chest plates which means that the robobooba indeed triggers the neuron activation

>>149543411
or at least.. bare transistors do

man I was gonna do a beast wars YTP once, and I just ran out of steam. it was gonna be so funny.. i had like, if they said someone else's name, i'd splice that in as they were giving their henshin phrase, as if they forgot their names..

>>149543228
Yes anon I also like to quote Family Guy lines that are specifically written to have absolutetly 0 actual meaning.

>>149545533
anon, that was a perfect Darmok, do you genuinely not understand what Anon meant?
he's using the family guy quote to suggest that Code of Hero was unequivocally amazing, and that only Peter, specifically Peter doing that bit, would say otherwise.

>>149525550
same here. I even watched the anime series. BW is still just BW in my heart, the rest doesn't matter

>>149527140

>Rattrap: "Like I said, you're just a blasted, slag-spouting saurian, but... it's nice to know where you stand."
>Dinobot:"Upwind of you, for preference, vermin.

;__;

>>149545960
It is hilarious to me how in BW they define each other so much by their altmodes that they literally just got

>>149527724

>haha wouldn't it be funny if we stuck a looney tunes gag into our serious show about life and death and robots with lasers

This is exactly why Beast Wars works and Beast Machines doesn't. The balance between dark and serious/silly and goofy is best embodied through BW Megatron. He'll get defeated by Rhinox farting in one episode, then cut out of half of Rampage's fucking heart the next and it somehow all works. It shouldn't, but it does and I vastly prefer it to Beast Machines being unrelentingly self serious at all times.

season 2 > season 3 > season 1
this is a fact

>>149546063
right? they REALLY get into it. They are PERSONIFYING that shit.
It makes you wonder what their names were before. like Scorponok was probably already named after the old Scorponok, but the others..
>>149546092
again, anon, and I hate that I keep having to explain this,
it's not that I don't want light-hearted things. like I said, the comedy works, when they actually do comedy
but when they decide to do dumb cartoon shit, it's not comedy. it's not funny, it doesn't even work visually. it's just *stupid* in a way nobody asked for in an action show. It's out of fucking nowhere. It'd be like if, every 8 or 9 episodes on House, you got a single bit of a laugh track. Yes, lightening the mood is important, but TONE needs to be kept.