Thread 149527339

No thread? Ok I'll make one. Spider-man in mtg. Standard legal. Full decklists for the starter decks revealed today

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/spider-man-welcome-decks

>>149527339 (OP)
How many years have theses MtG cross overs been a thing now?

No way, that fat kid who idolized Doctor Octopus before becoming a Spider-Man of justice got a card? He barely appeared in the comics.

>>149527352
since about 2011 i think.
there was a fucking fortnite mini set

>>149527443
That you had special order within a limited time frame, and was all reprints.

>>149527352
Crossovers have been a thing for a while, but they've never been tournament legal. They were "just for fun" little things you could collect and have.

However, starting literally right now, with the Final Fantasy crossover, they've become standard legal. Why? Because WotC knew FF would be the most successful crossover they've ever printed, and wanted people who bought them to start playing the actual game and get hooked on that whole hamster wheel.

This also means every crossover is standard legal going forward. Which a lot of the established community hates by the way. But they will get pushed out by all the new players coming in to play Sephiroth and Venom. This is the game now.

>>149527534
yep, welcome to secret lair.

>>149527339 (OP)
I'm looking at these decks and really not seeing any synergies worth building a Commander deck out of.
Is this a bust?

>>149527572
you could easily make one, you just wont be able to use 99% of the cards included.

>>149527339 (OP)
Not just the starter decks and their cards, we also got some other previews today. (Peter Parker and Amazing Spider-Man are the same, double-sided card)
>>149527572
>but they've never been tournament legal.
They've always been tournament legal. Standard is not the only tournament format.
>>149527572
They're starter decks for the base game, for new players. Commander is not the only casual format.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aspm+OR+set%3Aspe&order=color&as=grid&unique=cards
Here are (or will be) all the Spider-Man cards so far. This is a unofficial database site that adds cards manually, so it might take a moment to update with all the new stuff that just dropped all at once.

>>149527711
Yeah sucks about MTG going this way. But y'know everything I heard about it over the years just seemed like a version of Games Workshop and their ethos. I dunno all I know is they threatened one guy with prison or something and that seems like a GW move. Anyway, the only solace I can take looking at these boring cards is that Lyja looks like herself again.
Marvel and Wizards deserve each other.

>>149527867
Fuck I meant Lyla. Not a skrull.

>>149527867
>Yeah sucks about MTG going this way.
I never said that. Don't assume I share your opinions.

>>149527352
Like 5 years but only recently they became modern and then standard legal. It's hell.

>>149527914
nah it's fun

>>149527906
What part of that is me assuming that of you? I'm replying to your post and sharing my opinion. Maybe that "yeah" was a mistake, but whatever chill.

>>149527554
It's there own damn fault for never making cards/characters in MTG Canon worth knowing.

>>149527950
yeah
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exclamation: yeah; exclamation: yeh
nonstandard spelling of yes, representing a pronunciation.

yes
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exclamation: yes
used to give an affirmative response.

>>149528004
are you complaining that MTG didnt make a cartoon aimed at kids in the early 2000s?

>>149528039
I'm more so pointing out how MTG fans are complaining about MTG losing it's "Identity". It never fucking had one.

>>149527711
The flip bant Spiderman looks interesting

>>149528061
ah i see, well you say that but it doesnt mean its even remotely fucking true when plainswalkers are well known to mtg fans.
just because you arent aware of it doesnt mean it it doesnt exist. theres tons of novels

>>149528061
>It never fucking had one.
It did, and it also continues to have it. We're still getting Magic-original sets, the only difference from ye good ol' days of olde Magik game is that we're also getting crossover sets.
Bitches are just bitching.

>>149528129
>>149528097
Ok cool. Why not show it or market it so people will care? This set came out even with an "Aftermath" and didn't even make a 1/10 of a Ripple the Lotr set made half a year later.

>>149528179
Because they care already.

>>149528179
>Why not show it or market it so people will care?
they literally fucking do?, just because you dont see any adverts doesnt mean they dont exist.
think about what youre saying anon.

>>149527711
I'm not feeling this set which is great since I won't be as easily baited by the hype and fomo.

>>149528033
Weirdly aggressive and overly literal. An autistic kid or an ESL contracted marketer?

>>149527554
>Standard format
Nobody actually plays Standard format except for sweaty tournament dwelling try hard faggots who take a card game way too seriously for their own good.
Most people just play Modern or EDH because they'd actually like to use the fucking cards they spent their hard earned money on instead of shoving them in a longbox after a year.

>>149528033
If you're gonna be autistic about grammar/communication, that affirmative response could have been just me affirming that I have been notified of the info in your post. But another anon could misinterpret that and think "yeah that post was you" when it wasn't. That's why I apologized.
But doing shit like this is like the definition of being autistic where you won't let something go and everyone around has to understand 100% of what you mean. Shit like that is maddening. But yeah I talk too loose sometimes. That's the price I pay. But I get to just move on and not care.

jej the autism itt

>>149527443
>2011
Not even close. The first Universes Beyond cards were The Walking Dead cards from 2020

When did magic become "The ultimate battle of ultimate destiny." I wasn't super into it but I kind of remember it having it's own world and lore and shit.

>>149528512
When they found out that the majority of players prefer the 3rd party cards over the original ones.
Final Fantasy became the best selling set of all time before it was completely spoiled.
The fact of the matter is, Wizards is simply listening to fan demand.

>>149528512
>but I kind of remember it having it's own world and lore and shit.
again, it still does. they're just ALSO making crossover sets as well. They don't affect Magic's canon.

>>149528512
They started small, adding in small sets with a few mechanically unique cards, or sets that just reskin other cards.
The Warhammer 40k commander decks are where things started to get a bit more broad.
The went full hog in on the D&D sets, since they own D&D and it was a massive way of cross-promoting both D&D and MTG at a time where D&D was very heavy in the public consciousness thanks to Critical Roll, a live action film, Baldur's Gate 3 hype, and that special few months where people didn't know if we were still in a pandemic or not.

Peter/MJ is victorious.

>>149528495
>The first Universes Beyond cards were The Walking Dead cards from 2020
Think again...

>>149527352
Too many

>>149527339 (OP)
Funniest thing about this shit show is that WotC isn't paying for the digital rights for Marvel cards because of Snap existing. So on both Magic game clients, Arena and MTGO, all these cards will have different names and art.

>>149529381
aside from that, what makes you call it a shit show?

>>149528512
The second they introduced Planeswalkers, being that can travel the Multiverse.

>>149528179
What actually happened is that Universal got the film rights and spent the 2000s trying but failing to get a project off the ground.
Then Wizards for the film rights back and gave it over to Netflix and its been in dev hell since.
Like this was a cheaply made commercial from 2005 https://youtu.be/ICoLxf7QLIY?si=oceqQLBWea19LuKs
Imagine if we had gotten something, anything back then.

>>149529891
Magic having a "multiverse" wasn't meant to imply that they could go visit sponebob and harry potter, like obviously. But here we are.

>>149529891
Even before they introduced planeswalkers as cards, planeswalkers as a concept was a thing, what with the Weatherlight saga and Urza nad Phyrexia and all that.
Hell, by the lore of the game, you, the player are a planeswalker engaging in a wizard battle against another planeswalker.

>>149530105
>>149530397
>>149529891
Multiverses should be regulated to Fantasy, Western, Sci-Fi, Normal, and Evil realities only.

>>149527339 (OP)
I wish they'd just produce a slice of life cartoon about a group of friends playing Magic over the years. Start it in Urza's block with the characters all being in middle school and follow them through college.

>>149530573
MTGs world aren't your typical "multiverse."
It's basically just completely unrelated fantasy worlds, with a different theme.

>>149528713
And it dilutes the brand and undermines its own setting.

>>149528495
>Not even close. The first Universes Beyond cards were The Walking Dead cards from 2020
well fuck i wasnt aware the foist crossover was 5 years ago, seems alot longer than that. maybe i was thinking off the other shit with stickers and the UNmagic or whatever they where called.

>>149527711
>Commander is not the only casual format.
Obviously. Still, my question remains. Is this a bust if I wanted to build a Spidey commander deck?
I think with some Swarmyards and some more health giving artifacts you can make a pretty broken Peter Parker deck. Pull in some one-off spider cards from LOTR decks, maybe?

>>149531290
MTG is more like your classic Moorecock Multiverse in that each world has its own history, races, and cultures, but the underlying physics and cosmic powers are consistent between them.

Lorcana is, unironically, so much better than MtG right now. This is coming from someone who's played MtG since Fallen Empires.

>>149531295
The brand has been diluted to water and the setting has been a crock of shit since Oath of the Gatewatch.

Venom is not made by Melding Eddie Brock and The Symbiote. 1/10 Wizards, start the whole set over.

>>149530105
>Magic having a "multiverse" wasn't meant to imply that they could go visit sponebob and harry potter, like obviously. But here we are.
We aren't there, actually. They can't visit those places. Magic lore is completely separated from any crossover stuff.
>>149532448
anon it's a starter deck-exclusive card for beginners, they aren't putting fucking MELD on it.

>>149532448
The Symbiote should be Artifact Equipment.

turning mtg into fornite way the only way to get attractive characters back on the cards.

>>149527339 (OP)
>Spider-Man
>Deck White not Red
>Spider-Gwen
>Deck Red not White
They had one job!

>>149532884
And they did it right, casual.
>White: Peace, law, structure, selflessness, equality
>Blue: Knowledge, deceit, caution, deliberation, perfection
>Black: Power, self-interest, death, sacrifice, uninhibitedness
>Red: Freedom, emotion, action, impulse, destruction
>Green: Nature, wildlife, connection, spirituality, tradition

>>149532448
They are mentioning which Venom it is so they can have multiple Venoms.

>>149532945
>Freedom, emotion, action, impulse, destruction
Fits Spidey, his spidersense is impulse and bravery is emotions or freedom.
>Peace, law, structure, selflessness, equality
Thats the description for Gwen Stacy, especially since she is a cops daughter.
They had one job!

>>149532946
It doesn't even have to be "which Venom", they can easily have multiple different cards of the SAME Venom, just by giving them different card names. All the starter decks have multiple cards of the same character. We already know Venom has at least three cards:https://scryfall.com/search?q=venom+%28set%3Aspm+OR+set%3Aspe%29+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

>>149533030
And we've only seen a small fraction of the cards so far. Characters can be different colors on different cards. Fucking relax.

>>149527339 (OP)

Thanks, Marvel, for ruining Magic further and making it even more of a worthless piece of shit game whose best days were 30 years ago.

>>149533336
>https://scryfall.com/search?q=venom+%28set%3Aspm+OR+set%3Aspe%29+t%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>magic's best days were in 1995
bruh
have you actually looked at any of those sets from back then
most cards were absolute dogshit

>>149533336
>magic's best days were in 1995
bruh
have you actually looked at any of those sets from back then
most cards were absolute dogshit

>>149532448
wonder if all Symbiote characters will be Villains in this.

>>149533357
well 4chan isn't letting me delete my post for some reason, i guess my copypaste mistake is permanent

>>149533374
I can see Venom getting a card where he's a Hero.

>>149527339 (OP)
>Marvel doesn't want Spider-Man in MTGA
>Wizards commissioned a full second set of art so the MTGA version of Spider-Man can be a completely separate set
Wow. It's almost like UB was a stupid idea and it shouldn't be in Standard
>>149527554
They haven't been STANDARD legal until Final Fantasy. LotR and 40k was wreaking havoc all over Modern and Legacy and Vintage(Modern is the only one of those anybody plays but anyway). And before that D&D was also wrecking shit but Wizards owns D&D so that doesn't count
UB has always been tournament legal and often viable we are right now in the first Standard environment with a UB set

>>149533367

I played the game back then. The game was better. It had a clear identity of its own and didn't need to beg for scraps from Myy Little Pony or Spoogebog Shartpants. If anyone suggested a Spider-Ham card back then, the fucker would've been fired on the spot.

>>149533443
your opinion is invalidated by your crybaby namecalling

I think the funniest and saddest thing about all of this is that if it wasn't for the fact that magic is a secondary hobby for most of its fanbase, and wizards has consistently failed to get people to care about their actual story outside of the generalized settings since the start the pivot to UB would of been broadly seen as the absolute nightmare state for any original IP that it is.

Like imagine if half the issues of Spider-Man starting with the current run were issues of IDW Ninja Turtles, not crossovers just random issues of IDW.
Or if the entire Ultimate line had random Jurassic Park issues, again not Jurassic Park in Ultimate, but the entire line getting frozen for half the year to shill Jurassic Park under the Ultimate Branding.
imagine if over on the DC side of things you were told "sorry Absolute Martian Manhunter is getting put on hold for Robocop but this is a good thing because it will bring more people into comics from the Robocop fandom so stop complaining".

>>149533909
Jessie what the fuck are you talking about

>>149533443
As someone who's been playing since Mirrodin released while I was in middle School with a few years on and off here and there, old MTG (As in the first 2-3 years) was fucking bad.
>Cards are either undercosted with amazing effects (Demonic Tutor, Time Walk) or overcosted with ass effects (Wood Elementall, all those vanilla Legendary Creatures from Legends that cost like 6+ mana for a 5/3 vanilla creature)
>No card limit at release so the best deck was 20 mountains and 40 lightning bolts
>Early card design didn't really explore multicolor cards that much,
A lot of these can be written off as them trying to figure out the ropes since it's the early days of the first card game ever and they just threw shit at the wall to see what worked. The only real strength early Magic had was that creatures weren't the de-facto way to

>>149534035
What is happening to MTG as a unique IP in regards to narrative content is super fucked up on any sort of reasonable metric, and the only reason people either don't care or at the least are not vaguely sympathetic to those who do, is because of its relative obscurity and apathy from its general consumers.

>>149534035
what's not to get, the robocop/amm thing is what mtg is doing it seems

>>149534349
Nah

>>149534386
k

Best period for Magic was probably from Ravnica to somewhere around Innistrad-Khans.

>>149534443
I agree with you,
Gameplaywise is was fun and had a lot of cool shit going on and story wise and storywise you had a Plane based focus with Planswalker based personal stories going on in the background.
The full pivot to Walkers not only being story characters but taking priority over the Planes was an issue.
However the introduction of plaenswalkers and the pivot to Nu-Walkers as a whole is a point of divisiveness for older players.

>>149528039
They did it was called Duel Masters

>>149533443
As someone who first played MTG when Mirrodin released in middle School, old MTG (As in the first 3 years) was fucking bad.
>Cards are either undercosted with amazing effects (Demonic Tutor, Time Walk, Channel) or overcosted with ass effects (Wood Elementall, all those vanilla Legends that cost like 6+ mana for a 5/3 vanilla creature)
>No card limit at release so the best deck was 20 mountains and 40 lightning bolts
>Block formatting wasn't a thing yet so sets weren't really designed with cards from other sets in mind
>Early card design didn't really explore multicolor cards that much (This wouldn't really happen until Invasion block)
>Asides from the ones that are still Evergreen today like Flying and First Strike, Early keywords are for the most part complete ass (Cumulative Upkeep, Banding, Rampage)
>From what I've read the majority of games were just complete grindfests due to the lack of efficient creatures (aside from the likes of Shivan Dragon/Serra Angel/etc)
A lot of these can be written off as them trying to figure out the ropes since it's the early days of the first card game ever and they just threw shit at the wall to see what worked. The only real strength early Magic had was that creatures weren't the de-facto way to win the game with a better balance between aggro/combo/control playstyles.

And yeah I agree with you that UB fucking sucks and half of Standard each year being UB sets is the next step towards MTG's long-term death/Fortnitefication, but to think that the first 3 years of Magic were "The best years" is fucking insane when the next 30+ years have
>Mirage Block (The first time Magic was truly "good")
>The sweetspot of Onslaught/8th/Mirrodin Standard (Fuck you I have nostalgia for it)
>Peak MTG in the 5 year span of Scars of Mirrodin > Innistrad > RtR > Theros > Khans of Tarkir
>Actually good settings that aren't Dominaria
Though I will concede shit's been pretty sour for Standard/Modern ever since FIRE became a thing.

>>149534349
I feel like UB would work better if they had kept to a 3 set block each year, and then either UB function as the core set, or squeezed it in somewhere alongside the core set.
The breakneck speed with which they're shitting out sets now is not helping people to get familiar or truly interested in the setting of MTG, which affects both old players, and the new ones they want to pull in with UB, people unfamiliar with the UB IP will have little chance to truly get acclimated with the IP, so there's little chance that they'll try and check it out, and with news sets being so close to each other, as soon as one is about to be released, spoiler season for the next has already started, so no one has any real chance to step back, look at the set as a whole and go "Okay, so what does all of this mean?"

>>149534707
Yeah, the breakneck pace of releases has had a massive fatigue effect on my playgroup and at my store which only the drafters and casual Commander pods are immune to.
If the keep this up its likely going to drive the Dolphin players out of the game because their consumer habits will force them out or will leave them destitute.

>Magic set releases per year, back then:
1 large set, 2 small sets half that size, 1 large reprint set
>Magic set releases per year, now:
3 own-IP large sets, 3 crossover large sets, plus any Commander decks connected to any of those sets

My Vorthos ass that mainly makes block constructed decks, with maybe a few thematic core-set cards would absolutely not survive in modern MTG.

Where's my boy Ben?

>>149536324
Only a small number of cards have been previewed.

>>149532356
Yeah, but no they just makes sets based on what their shitty current designers think it's cool: Cowboy set, Detective set, Wacky racers set. They don't care about creating a world or even a story anymore. Just throw shit at the wall and put hats on them.

>>149533416
>>149533374
>>149532448
You may get an Agent Venom card if you are lucky.

>>149536431
Just because you don't read the lore, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>149527711
I get the spider token it's supposed to represent the one that started it all for Peter, but there's quite a few cards that do that and, IDK, doesnt feel very flavory, nor does it everybody having the actual Spider type.

Initially I thought it was a nod to pic related, but it seems to be just uninspired shit.

>>149533321
I dont expect all the cards revolve around the character on the package. But i expect that the color code fits the character when it is quite easy. Miles is ok for green since there is no green Spidey character.

>>149536513
Anon of the last few sets story wise
Murders was unfitting for Ravnica
Outlaws was barren of any real substance out of fear of offending anyone
Bloomburrow was actually good
Duskmorn was an actually good story and setting weighed down by the 80s aspect
Aetherdrift give us a more fleshed out Muraganda, but ruined Kaladesh and abandoned the interesting "wanderers in a desert looking for a new land" Amonkhet storyline in service to Wacky Races.
And Dragonstorm while being fine in of itself carries the grevious sin of Wizards cowardice and laziness in skipping over the actual rebellion they had been building up.
I won't comment of EOE yet as I'm still reading it but I don't have high expectations.

Also Omenpaths are fucking stupid and I hope Ghost Jace or whatever the fuck closes them all.

>>149536324
This is easily the best Scarlet Spider figure we've ever gotten. Mafex dropped the ball hard with both of theirs