Spoilers ahead
Movie starts with Sue being pregnant. F4 is universally beloved and has been active for 3 years.
F4 goes to space to reason w/ Galactus (they have a FTL engine), he's willing to spare Earth if F4 gives him baby Franklin; Galactus can sense the Power Cosmic in him
In the ensuing chase Sue gives birth on the ship
Johnny isn't gay despite rumors. He finds Silver Surfette (Shalla-Bal) hot and she's sympathetic to Earth, but it was a one-sided attraction
Johnny's arc is deciphering Silver Surfette's language and he uses that to reason with her in the final act
Pedro Pascal is whatever as Reed, his plan is initially to teleport the entire Earth away from Galactus, but it ends up being teleporting Galactus away from Earth. Real big brain moment
Sue dies after going Super Saiyan and using her forcefields to push Galactus into a wormhole, but Franklin brings her back
Johnny was about to sacrifice himself to finish pushing Galactus into the wormhole but Surfette knocks him out of the way, sacrificing herself instead
The Thing does nothing

>>149531380 (OP)
>The Thing does nothing
I don't think he can fellate himself bro.

>>149531380 (OP)
What about the rumor Reed and Sue are in an open marriage?

>>149531394
just grifter nonsense as usual

Also, Franklin is a CGI baby and is quite unsettling at times

>>149531394
True. Reed dates several women throughout the movie while Sue only dates Reed. It's how they get their hero names. Sue is Invisible Woman because no one can see her. Mr Fantastic is pretty self explanatory (he can make his penis very big).

>>149531380 (OP)
>women do all the work AGAIN
not surprised

>>149531380 (OP)
>thing does nothing
apologize

I really liked the movie but I wasn't entirely sold on Pedro. He wasn't bad. He clearly was doing a version of Reed but still I never saw him as Reed. I just saw smart Pedro Pascal, you know

>>149531380 (OP)
>The Thing does nothing

>>149531471
Why would I? That movie was kino.

>>149531471
I stand by their decision to just shave Michael Chiklis and not put any makeup on him.

>Invisible Woman's voice is deeper than the Thing's

it's so over bros

>>149531456
You really read only what you wanted to read huh?

>>149531380 (OP)
This film was really good, it was fantastic. Gets me excited for the future of the MCU for the first time in a long time

>>149531471
Michael Chiklis is still the best Ben Grimm.

>>149531609
it's true though
M-She-U is back.

>>149531456
It's all reed's plan though? they all work as a team to stop galactus?

I swear you faggots can't stand if a woman does anything but sit in the corner and watch

>>149531456
Watch the film nigga

>>149531380 (OP)
>The Thing does nothing
Finally, I see myself represented in media.

>>149531380 (OP)
>The thing does nothing

Sir!, you say he does nothing but does he say the line, does he get the chance to say it!?

>>149531896
he says the line as he hits Galactus, but he's just the muscle of the group. He doesn't get a big character moment like everyone else. It's more like

>Here's the Thing, he is Jewish
>Now he's meeting a nice Jewish lady
>And here's him at Gaza, destroying hospitals and blocking international aid
>Now he's entering a synagogue to visit the previously mentioned Jewish lady

>>149531723
>>149531745
not watching your M-She-U garbage

>>149531941
>focus more on the fact that he's jewish and not from brooklyn

Maybe I was rooting too much for this movie to be good; the aesthetics were there, and I didn’t mind the cast as much as the people seething over whether Reed Richards has a moustache.
But boy, this was bland. You can tell it was sanded away by committee. The only thing that stuck, and that seems unintentional, is that the FF are basically the benevolent dictators of Earth.

>>149531380 (OP)
>Pedro Pascal is whatever as Reed, his plan is initially to teleport the entire Earth away from Galactus, but it ends up being teleporting Galactus away from Earth. Real big brain moment
...did you get that backwards? I feel like the "twist" here is the more practical, reasonable result.

>>149531941
>Doesn't even trash-talk Galactus.
>Second worst "It's Clobbering Time!"
Being Ben Grim do be suffering.

>>149531471
I never hated on this movie.

Does the movie explain the Thunderbolts after credits scene?

I thought this was getting good initial reviews. This sounds so bland and by the numbers, I'm surprised.

>>149532181
Nope

>CGI Franklin
>Galactus was supposed to be invincible but they just push him to a trap
>Reed somehow doing more damage to Galactus than the Thing

Other than that it's OK, I liked the designs. The black hole chase was cool. I also like it when Sue said KILL HER JOHNNY, KILL HER GOOD

>>149531380 (OP)
What happens in the after credits scene?

>>149533092
Robert Doomy Jr is in Sue's house, playing with her Franklin.

>>149531616
It never left. Besides, we've known the bias in the script from the reports back when Disney couldn't land a Reed for that reason.

How did the Surfer survive the Black Hole?

>>149533153
It was explained in the movie. She was able to fly out of it eventually but because of some time dilation bullshit, it took her about a month to escape the pull.

Another Garbage Movie courtesy of Feige, with a shit CGI included.
This and superman were huge flops and i hope all of pedowood crashes and burns with the incoming lawsuit.

>>149533128
Is RDJ in full costume? What about the second post-credit scene?

>>149533078
Spoiler tag it, faggot.

>>149532197
Like Thunderbolts and Talk no Jutsu? Huh, what a coinkidink.

>>149533196
He's not in the movie, it's a stand-in back's appearing for a whole two seconds holding a mask.

>>149533214
Are there screenshots?

>In the opening flashback, Sue introduces Johnny
>"That was my brother. And ladies, he's very single."

???? Is she known to help Johnny hook up in the comics?

>>149533265
There's a webm but no point, it's just a guy in a cloak kneeling in front of Franklin while awkwardly holding out the mask so the camera catches it.

>>149533265
I'm honestly surprised that people are starting to get hyped for Doom. The little teases like these are fine. I just wish they didn't cast RDJ for the shock/nostalgia value

>>149533387
It's me or the mask looks cheap? When I saw it in the theater it looked like plastic.

>>149533301
>>149533387
Thanks.

>>149531612
I enjoyed it as well. Do you think a 20 minute scene of them fighting Mole Man in the beginning of the film would have served the movie well? There isn't a ton of the typical comic book movie action, not that minded it though.

>>149533203
Kill yourself

>>149531380 (OP)
garbage, if they don't understand the thing as the moral center and heart they don't get the ip

Very boring. Don't expect anything memorable.

>>149531616
>it's true though
>even though the plan to stop Galactus is all Reed's idea
Faggot

>>149531380 (OP)
If you had to take your family to see a movie, which one do you think that they would like more - this one or Superman? Which one would be more appealing to general audiences?

>>149533078

>>149534069
Superman has more sexy stuff (Lois and Clark was getting it on), swearing, guy's middle fingers etc
F4 is more family friendly

Both don't need a lot of background knowledge though. They're new universes

>>149531394
Don't be a fucking idiot

>>149533141
The final version doesn't have Reed taking a backseat, perhaps they changed it during rewrites.

>>149533704
Honestly I'd like to see to original Red Ghost opening. The quick montage they replaced it with is really poorly edited, and you can tell It's the result of a last minutes change.

>>149531380 (OP)
>in the ensuing chase Sue gives birth on the ship
Jesus, that's corny.

>>149533387
Was he involved in the global construction effort to build the transporters or was he like the quiet kid in class who sits at the farthest table and plans on shooting everyone?

>>149531380 (OP)
>deciphering language
What? She speaks perfect english in the trailer, do you mean they have a prerecorrded intro, translated into just the english language, and then can't speak or understand anything else past that? Why would you need to translate someone imbued with the Power Cosmic?

>>149531529
Ben doesn't have as much to do as the other characters but he still gets some nice moments when he's visiting his old neighborhood and flirting with a school teacher and helping Reed deliver Franklin.

>>149534352
What do you think?

>>149534352
Latveria's chair was empty at all of the UN meetings so it seems like Doom refused to be involved.

>>149534364
There were other deep space messages they received in the past, spoken in Shalla-Bal's language. By understanding the language, Johnny was able to understand her history and guilt trip her into changing sides.

>>149534364
Her language from her home planet, it's a key plot point in the film since Johnny deciphers and even learns it fluently to basically traumatize Silver Surfer(ress?) into redemption by rerecording the dying cries of all the worlds Galactus devoured into her language.

>>149534371
>>149534385
Such a petty bitch

>>149534385
Doom WOULD insist on having a seat on the UN despite intending to never use it.

>>149532168
SQUARE

IN THE BALLLLLS

>>149534451
This sounds bad.

>the thing does nothing

I disagree because in the climax he did this

>>149534398
>>149534451
Right, but, she can speak and understand any language, right? Wouldn't she just understand the message, without the need to translate?

I'm wondering how they'll handle the inevitable merge since Feige spoiled that Secret Wars would blow up the multiverse so that there'll only be one timeline/universe going forward. Like F4's NY is very clearly 60s deco retrofuturistic while MCU NY is just our modern day NY, will Born Again S3 now be set in the former or is F4 2 going to take place in modern day NY?

>they had to use a CGI baby because there are no more blonde, blue-eyed babies in America

grim

>>149534613
basically Johnny dug up her old racist tweets and cancelled her

>>149531419
dear lord

>>149534613
Johnny is specifically appealing to Surfer's emotions and attachment to her world (since she became Galactus' herald to save it in the first place) by using her language, then revealing through space recordings that she became revered as a savior back in her home, and then finally contrasting it with the consequences of her condemning planets to death

>>149534628
Were there ever?

>>149534658
In that opening second, you can see the baby's shoulder shift in a weird sort of, inhuman way. Did they use AI to create the baby?

>>149534729
It's just wonky CGI

>tfw no shiny gf

>>149531389
Should have had a scene of Sue using him like a rock in a sock beating on Galactus

>>149534866
>The slightest hint of nips
Actually pretty based

why hollywood is so scared to explore Reed Richard powers. "He just stretches his limbs haha" fucking stupid, also he almost gets ripped apart by Galactucs. REED FUCKING RICHARDS, they try to emulate the 60's fantastic four, yeah, that era where Richards powers were fucking crazy and did nothing with it

>>149531380 (OP)
this movie is like star trek.

>>149534866
her ass was distracting in every scene honestly

>>149534866
>Finally get around to my weird fetish.
>It isn't toned down or censored at all.
I feel especially bad for Carolbros now.

>>149531380 (OP)
>The Thing does nothing
Ironic when the most recent comic book run fellated him so fucking much

>>149531471
Kino

>>149534919
You can't just leave me hanging like that anon...

>>149531456
motherless behavior

>>149531471

>>149534866
her surfing scenes were the highlight of the movie for me

>>149535068
Jessica Alba is cute but she can't act.

>>149535091

>>149535103

>>149534069
Superman because FF is a horrible movie that nobody would like and I like the other recent MCU movies too.

>>149535068
right is a massive improvement and I don't care if Alba shows her titties bare, she was fucking terrible as Sue and Vanessa despite looking a lot less attractive actually embodies the character really well

>>149531380 (OP)
Sounds really boring

>>149535068
coombrain

>>149535068
Based

>>149533266
He looks more like her teen son here.

>>149535068
The fake blonde hair looks terrible on her. She looked so much better with her natural dark hair.

Watching this movie for naked silver chick cause featureless nudity and exhibitionism are both fetishes of mine. Hope it's good.

I couldn’t fucking believe my eyes at how they went with the plan to defeat Galactus. I feel as I was getting pranked with a fake scene or something.

>>149534658
This feels like an A.I. clip you find on TikTok

>>149531380 (OP)
It up anywhere for (reliable) pirating?

>>149534658
welcome back the flash

>>149535580
>smartest man in the world
>okay we cant teleport earth away from galactus but what if we teleport galactus away????
>lets have galactus walk onto this MASSIVE RED BULLEYE where we can teleport him and put the baby in the middle of it
>Galactus walks to the red bullseye and gets hit a few times
>Reed just walks over and takes the baby out and replaces it with an empty basket
>Galactus sees the baby is in another location and walks away
Mind you at that point the characters and the viewer know that Galactus has super scan vision that locates anything and tk powers.

>>149535751
but he isn't the smartest man in the world, he's Pedro Pascal.

>>149535751
Also
>aw geez I forgot to put a switch to shut down the portal when it would be convenient to do so

>>149534866
>>149535091
>>149535103
Honestly the female Silver Surfer seems pretty sick. Johnny being into her also gives his character something to do

Pedro is a good actor but he's absolutely shit as Reed. It's pretty grim when the trailers can't even make him look good.

Isn't this just rise of the silver surfer but instead of a galactus fart cloud it's female surfer

>>149534658
Why are you putting the baby on the dead body???? People don’t work like that! inb4
>he’s a bit autistic

>>149534658
Are they seriously so lazy that they can't bring in a baby actor? The shit it's doing isn't even hard to make a baby do like reach out to someone and cry.

>>149531941
you know what he says during the Gaza part? Iobbyin' time!

>>149535751
You know that age old saying. You can't write a character thats smarter than yourself.

I know they were on a shitty budget with how they covered most of ben's cgi skin with a sweater but they couldn't have used some of that casting money for improving galactus?

>>149531380 (OP)
>Lowest MCU gross in Korea

>>149534069
I refuse.

>>149534658
Pedro really can't act. Which makes his 'do you like art' remark to what's his name next guy next guy even more humiliating.

>>149531380 (OP)
>>149531471
he literally piloted their rocket ship and got them away from galactus. he also helped weaken him.

>>149531941

>>149532168
>>149533078
I'm gonna go out on a stretchy limb here and predict that they didn't even do the cool, surreal image of Galactus falling back on nothing and standing up in mid-air.

>>149534658
Forgetting the AI-looking baby Franklin for a moment: that reaction shot of the Thing also looks hilariously terrible. Just a CGI creation in front of a greenscreen, and not a single shred of emotion.
Also, for anyone who's actually watched this, why does he have a beard?

Galaxtusvis too uncool after his initial reveal for this movie to work.

>>149534069
FF felt really slow for a superhero movie. For that movie experience you're probably expecting go with Superman.

>>149531380 (OP)
>Galactus can sense the Power Cosmic in him
X-Men fags in shambles, Franklin will never be a mutant again

Why is this movie getting better scores that Superman? From all the reactions here it seems like another MCU slopfest made for the sole purpose of advertising Doomsday and funding more coke for RDJ.

>>149536523
During the second act, Reed starts building massive teleporters, and needs to cut power to save energy. Ben's mid shaving when the power goes out, and when Johnny sees him he mentions a beard could look good on him, so Ben let's it grow for the last third of the movie..
The CGI on Ben generally looks good through the film, that shot is one of the odd one's.

>>149536805
Not really, one of the things people are praising about it is that It's a completely standalone film. The only set-up for Doomsday is the PCS, the rest of the film is solely focused on It's own story.

>>149536831
>spoiler
That sounds kinda dumb.
I was gonna ask how growing a rock beard even works but then you might as well ask how ANYTHING about the Thing works.
inb4 that one shot of his toilet from the 2005 cartoon

>>149536620
>already one of the shortest MCU movies in years with at least one major sequence cut right before release
>still feels slow

>>149537207
I guess it just came out way too fucking late, phase 5 as opposed to 1 or 2

>>149536407
>Sue's glorified chauffeur
lmao

>>149537207
To each their own; personally for me it was the opposite. The first act specially felt hevily edited down, and the film really reaches a more consistant pace after the FF meet Galactus.

who wins in a fightthis Galactus or fart cloud Galactus?

>>149534866
>>149535864
I honestly feel like they swapped Norrin out for her to give Johnny a one sided crush. Which honestly seems like quite a waste. I knnow they did the inverse for Rise of the Silver Surfer. Having Norrin catch feelings for Sue. But I feel they should've just done what the comics did and have Alicia appealing to the surfer about humanities value.

>>149537331
Fart cloud. The new one does almost jack shit. Not only does Sue push him back but, at one point, Reed is injuring him by using an antenna as a spear. He's pathetic.

Was anyone else that saw it thinking of Justice League War during the last act?

>>149531380 (OP)
I enjoyed this more than Superman. Gonna go watch it again on Saturday.

>>149531574
He looked shit visually but the sound design sold it for me

>>149534224
I didn't mind the montage. I like that the movie didn't waste any time with filler stuff. Got right into it.

>>149537394
Between this and "I'd like to make a bargin" Dormammu, why they can't they get cosmic villains right?

>>149536852
RDJ Doom completely invalidates any and all efforts and claims that this movie is standalone, ffs Pedro Pascal as Mr Fantastic' was chosen because they plan to use him as a main character for Doomsday.

>>149538155
He's only in the pcs, not the movie proper. The story is completely standalone, and Doom has zero weight on it.

>>149531380 (OP)
>>149531471
>>149531529
>>149531941
>>149532168
>The Thing does nothing
Except for being the only fucking reason they even make it back to Earth, he's THE pilot and there's even a scene where Ben teases Reed that he can't even pass his driver's test. If Ben wasn't around, Sue Johny and Reed would have died in space and Franklin would be taken by Galactus for good. Not to mention directly assisting Sue in the final scene where she was struggling, in a way that only Ben could. Ben is also the inspirational one of the group for the neighborhood and kids in general around the world, they all love him and he's a sweetheart to everyone. Just because he didn't punch Galactus in his Cosmic balls doesn't mean he didn't do anything.

>>149538329
He got in one pretty good punch during the Galactus fight at the end and the cute redhead seemed to like him.

>>149531394
No in the movie, but Pedro Pascal is gay.

>>149538983
Reed was doing more damage to Galactus with physical attacks then the Thing did. lmao
The Thing was borderline useless the entire movie.

>>149531380 (OP)
Just saw it. It's pretty mid, and the overuse of montages makes it feel absurdly rushed. Also someone involved must be convinced that kids will want H.E.R.B.I.E toys because good lord was that little shit everywhere.

>>149535580
A character is as smart as their writer.

>>149531587
Her contralto was so strong that I now think she would've been a better Carol than Brie Larson.

>>149534249
It's actually cornier. Galactus uses his super vision to make Sue go into labor.

I loved the scene where the two women defeat Galactus and the men stand around helplessly.
POWERFUL!

Honestly Johnny came off as smarter than Reed, because Johnny's plan is the one that made the biggest difference, and Reed had way more failures.

Is Galactus at least cool? Why doesn't he just vaporize the four instantly?

>>149539677
>Is Galactus at least cool?
Not really, no.

>>149539687
Okay so what about the second question?

>>149531587
>The deep HUUUUUOOOGH yelling while she's 1v1ing Glactus

>>149539659
Not hard to come across as smarter than Reed in this.
His big plan is to teleport Earth. And when that is foiled, his new plan is to teleport away Galactus. Truly an unparalleled genius.
>>149539677
This scene where he first meets that FF is excellent and he is incredible there.
But it's all undone in the final act. At that point he doesn't do anything with his powers and so he just comes across as a giant. He's completely underwhelming. Then he gets overpowered by Sue.... lmao

>>149539746
I'm willing to cut them some slack under the pretense that
>Galactus is weaker when hungry
>Galactus is weaker when not on Taa II
>Every time Galactus uses his powers he further depletes them
That and Sue just pushes him into a portal, not like she solos him.

>>149531380 (OP)
How are so many people forgetting just how powerful Sue is?

>>149539798
>not like she solos him.
>The other three do fuck all to him.
>They're all down.
>Sue fucking pushes him across the city, back to the portal.

>>149539798
Sue pushes him hundreds of feet all while he is flailing around like a retard. Not to mention, Reed injures him with a fucking antenna pole using it as a spear.
Face it. Galactus is just pathetic in this.

>>149539869
Most people who watch superhero films don't actually read comics

>>149539883
>>149539887
It's pushing, and her force fields have always been fucking bullshit. In fact I praise the movie for killing her to show how much she put into it

You should be more mad about the antennae

she's actually sexy bros..........

>>149539941
Her shields may be powerful, but she's never outright overpowered Galactus like this. It's laughable. And is just continuing the blatant trend of Feige pushing for super powerful woman in these films.
And yes, the antenna scene was dumb as fuck as well. Which is why I bitched about it.

>>149540053
This looks so fucking shit, goddam

>>149539941
Nah, Sue soloing Galactus while the others practically plinking off of him is more offensive.

>>149540053
>>149540087
You guys are either reaching hard or clearly aren't aware of what comic Sue has done. Hurt or kill Galactus? You'd have a case. PUSHING him? Now that's acceptable. My problem is why Galactus didn't vaporize anyone

>>149540053
this looks like AI slop unironically

>>149540053
Hideous walled woman.

>>149540117
If she just just temporary pushed him it would be one thing. But she does it for hundreds of feet, and he can't do shit about it and flails around like a retard. She completely overpowers him.

Saw it today. Movie was good.

Where do I start with the comics?

>>149535068
It's so funny seeing people act like Vanessa Kirby isn't fucking hot as fuck.

>>149540918
She was hot in her Mission Impossibles Dunno what happened to her in this film and now.

>>149540901
Lee/Kirby is legendary, but it might not be of your liking if you're not into silver age type of writing. Waid/Wieringo is the best modern starting point. It strips the concept down to it's basics while emphasizing it's pulpy nature. It's not brought down by any broader interconnectivity, and has the classic characterizations of the team so you get a good idea of who they are individually and as a group.

>Post scene is just utter silence and it's just using some stand-in body

For all the themes about motherhood, babies and all that, this movie felt awfully sterile and lifeless. It’s too dull even as brainless entertainment.

>>149540901
Hickman's F4

>>149532092
Fantastic 4 can never have a good movie. This one will probably be the closest to decent

>>149541065
I started Lee/Kirby before the movie came out but I fell off of it, especially cuz it takes so long to get to the good stuff.

>Waid/Wieringo is the best modern starting point. It strips the concept down to it's basics while emphasizing it's pulpy nature. It's not brought down by any broader interconnectivity, and has the classic characterizations of the team so you get a good idea of who they are individually and as a group.
Good to know, anon.

>>149541150
Isn't this more modern?

>>149541188
Nta but yeah Hickman goes from 2009 to 2012. It's also one of the great ones, but I wouldn't recommend it as a starting point since it assumes you know a good deal about the characters already and some of the stuff they were doing at the time. Specially in regards to Reed, since the run deals heavily with his actions from Civil War to Secret Invasion.

>>149541065
>Waid/Wieringo
Isn't that the run with the edgy Dr Doom and the second kid?

>>149541091
it's even funnier to know they've been filming for 3 months without a script for doomsday, get ready for a doom to surpass fant4stic

>>149541150
>>149541272
Now that's shit

...then again, for someone coming from the MCU, might feel familiar

>>149535091
Woke dei failure Surfer is a man MSHEU garbage

>>149541285
Yeah, Valeria was born like the last arc before Waid and Wieringo start. Their Doom is the most controversial part of the run, but other than that it's a good representation of the book.

>>149540918
Shes got bogged

>>149539941
>That spoiler
I actually hated that scene. Not because she did it, but because they wimped out and didn't have her popping blood vessels or getting a psychic nose bleed to show she was taking damage from doing it. It was a major case of telling rather than showing and you'd think after Rise of the Silver Surfer they would've learned their lesson and let Sue get roughed up rather than have her stay pristine and pretty in such a dramatic moment.

>>149539703
First time because he wants the fetus inside Sue. Second time because the movie has to end and I guess presumably Galactus is a man of his word and was going to spare them in exchange for Franklin?

>>149539746
No it's worse. His FIRST plan is to just go to Galactus and reason with him *somehow*
Teleporting earth is second plan and it just spirals from there.

So...does Doom have any kind of relevance to the plot at all? Does he even show up?

>>149537331
Fart cloud galactus is at least 2000 times bigger than Galactus.

So the women save the world, while the men watch. You told me the leaks were fake but the leaks seem to be 100% spot on.

>>149541509
Retards were coping. Of course they were real.

>>149541478
None at all. Only references are at the beggining and middle of the film, where Sue holds a conference with world leaders and the Latverian seat is notably empty. He's only in the PCS which isn't even a proper part of the film since it's a scene from Doomsday.

>>149541065
Waid's run is terrible.

>>149531471
you never really know how good you have it until its gone huh?

>>149541509
>>149541528
>Tell me you haven't seen it without telling me you haven't seen it

>>149531380 (OP)
More awful and boring comic movies. Can't believe we got two, poorly saturated and dully written movies in the same month. Why do people even go see these? Better yet, why do people keep giving money to Hollywood when they have zero interest in making quality goods.

you guys are all gay Vanessa Kirby's fine as fuck in this movie

>>149539887
no he doesn't. rewatch the scene.
>>>/tv/213058584

>>149541509
>When Surfher fucking Finns Johnny after she fucks off from the plot.

>>149541662
Yes. He's completely comfortable at 32 seconds in...

>>149534962
The most recent F4 run fellates Sue almost exclusively, the rest of the team only exist to job to make Sue look better

>>149541574
Cope. The leaks were real.

>>149541701
Difference is SS didn't come across as a retard and her sacrifice actually did the job.

>>149541644
Sue is supposed to look cute and fluffy not like a fucking Elder Scrolls Bosmer

>>149541711
he unscrews one of galactus' sockets that's why he was in pain, not because of some makeshift spear.

>>149539621
>make baby NOW

>>149541720
Leaks which leave aside the entire context of the scene. The entire plan comes from Reed, and all team members play a part of defeating Galactus during the final fight. Sue deals the big blow, but the rest of the FF isn't rendered useless. Also, SS' actions don't come out of nowhere since it was properly built towards.

>>149541729
And unscrews it using, yes, a fucking antenna pole as a makeshift spear.

>>149541770
I dunno Ben feels kinda useless in that final segmen.
Somewhat appropriately, he could've been replaced with Sue using her powers to throw a big rock or piece of rubble instead.

>>149541880
Ben feels pretty underused in general in the film; he's not without his moments but the weight really is in the other three.

>>149531380 (OP)
Honestly, and I welcome all the hate I'll get from this, this is the best comic book movie since End Game

It didn't take itself too seriously like the Snyderverse and it didn't go full corny like Gunnverse. It was the perfect blend and it has good rewatch value.

>>149541981
I wouldn't call it THE best, but I did really enjoy it. I found it decent overall, and as an FF fan fuck yeah it felt good to finally see a good film portrayal.

>>149542021
I would put it up there with Spiderman: No Way Home...A proper theater movie that had actual high stakes and anticipation...Enjoyed every minute of it.

I loved Benjy. even if he did no Thing.
he obviously had some arc with the school teacher (not Alicia) but it seems it was cut for runtime. I bet it was something similar to his backstory in Life Story.
I also smiled at the timely comics reference.

Movie felt too much a like a sequel to a movie we never got. There were so many emotional moments that didn’t land as hard because we didn’t know the characters. Don’t like that Surfer was turned into a woman just so Johnny wouldn’t have homolust. Galactus kept changing size throughout the climax. Good movie but felt like it should have been F4 3. Doom should have been movie 1 with Moleman as a minor villain or something. Really felt like they were trying to rush Galactus so we could get him in Doomsday or whatever Avengers comes next.

The movie felt like 80% of a mostly decent Star Trek episode (classic moral quandry ie one life vs many, smartest people in the world struggle to find a solution to an inhuman unstoppable cosmic force), and 20% mediocre action scene. I wish that Galactus wasn't so one-note, that his hunger curse wasn't underdeveloped, and that the solution was more creative, like they actually tried negotiating and finding a way to help him with his hunger.

I appreciated that Johnny was actually portrayed as a decently smart guy in this one. It was always weird to me that other movies made him a fratboy idiot. Dude is an astronaut, those people are meant to be intelligent.

I liked most of the movie but it really should have been longer. Ben feels completely superfluous, they tease his angst over being a monster so briefly and then its never addressed again and its not like they're going to get another shot after this so why bother? Its a very boneless fantastic four, it doesn't have time to address any of the meat of the family in any substantial way. Reeds guilt is another thing thats vaguely there but doesn't factor in too much. Also the Moleman adaptation was fucking cowardly. Give me my horrible mole freak and his goblins. What the hell was that CW shit? Reed barely stretches, he does no weird shit in this. Its exclusively limited to his arms and legs. Dude doesn't get to turn into a big tarp or a ball or anything. Galactus looks amazing (looks so much better when he turns off his glowy eyes), not hugely into how hes written. Ineson kills it, but the dialogue itself lacks the grand operatic lee/kirbyness the character needs. He just feels kind of petty. Still the best F4 movie.

Dooms mask looks like the one on that RDJ birthday card lol

>>149542711
The runtime is definively the film's biggest weak point. The main meat (the family dynamic) is left in good form, but some 15 extra minutes could've left space for characters and plots that, while not the main focus, would've added a lot to the movie. The villains specially; combined, I don't think Galactus and SS make more than 15 minutes of screentime.

>>149542711
I will say that I really like this Johnny Storm. This is definitely the kind of guy who would sacrifice himself for the family or argue with Reed on a moral quandry. Hes not just an airhead himbo flirt like most other adaptations.

>>149542781
Yeah and its not even like the final cut is that long either. Its barely over 1h50m right? They're terrified of hitting that 2 hour mark now. I loved the space stuff, I honestly could have gone for an entire movie focused on their outerspace voyage to negotiate with Galactus, exploring some alien world, getting their shit wrecked and scrambling back to Earth for the sequel. But the MCU has its schedule to keep I guess.

>>149542816
Without credits I'd say the film clocks at 1 hour and 45 minutes. I also agree the space sequence is the best part of the film, and overall the pacing gets steadier and more consistent from that point on. It's mainly the first half that feels specially rushed.

>Not releasing the movie on the 4th of July
>Not marketing it as Fantastic 4th of July
Fire the whole marketing team

>>149535580

>>149533387
>Completely smooth, round edges
>No rivets
>No big square eye holes
>Angled cheek grooves running in parallel
Oh brother.

>>149534907
Crazy that the weirdest stretching he gets to do is in that one shot that scrolls by in the credits. He doesn't even stretch individual body parts or fingers or anything in this. Hes just a guy who can make his arms and legs kind of long.

>theyre having a peace conference
>all world leaders showed up
>except for the one from latveria
Im sure it was meant to be foreshadowing of some sort but I found it to be a pretty funny gag. Got a hearty chuckle from me. Of course Dr Doom would be spiteful enough to avoid all and any event that celebrates the accomplishments of the fantastic four

>>149543107
Yeah I loved that. Its the perfect way to allude to him. Its such a shame where its inevitably going lol

>>149543107
>>149543136
Tfw you'd rather have your planet be destroyed than helping the guy you have a hate boner for

>>149543196
>tfw there's likely gonna be a scene in doomsday where doom casually reveals he literally could have helped with defeating Galactus earlier on, he simply just chose not to help
That would be the most Dr. Doom thing ever desu

>>149535580
I thought he was gonna shrink down to walk through the streets because when I saw how big he was and how he just stomps through buildings I figured naturally he'll just demolish the teleportation device anyway? Like he'd tear through it like paper surely. Not a good plan!

>>149535893
There's a lot of red tape around child actors and protecting their rights

So any references to Norrin Radd? Is Galactus a multiversal being or is there one in each reality?

>>149542927

>>149543697
https://youtu.be/4VNvd8yHnZw?si=IeosK4czzTYWiYET You can play him in this game

>>149543697
1) Nothing even hinting at Norrin. we get a glimpse at Shalla Bal's previous life where she's seen with presumably her daughter, but it might be a jump to affirm Norrin is the father.
2) Not adressed, altough the idea of Galactus having no variants came from a fanpage with no weight among leakers.

>>149538329
It's ironic: if Ben HAD been doing nothing but his "CLOBBERIN TYME YAHS MOOKS!" stuff the whole time, everyone would have complained that its another movie where Reed does jack shit but plot dumb and show off CGI for a little bit.

>>149543697
Galactus is surprisingly candid about his backstory but nothing about that. He just says he predates the universe and was once a mortal.

>>149536220
Japan is also lost because the new Demon Slayer movie is killing it over there

>>149544035
It's almost as if they should balance what the characters do. But no. The Thing gets to drive Sue around while she does all the heavy work.

>>149544035
I don't think anyone would complain about a sincere clobberin' time, I don't think we saw one on screen since EMH

>>149531380 (OP)
Saw it today too. OP is telling the truth.
It's.....fine, I guess. There's stuff I really like but it feels like there isn't anything that makes it feel really special or outstanding. It feels like there's an amazing movie waiting to come out that just never starts. Johnny and Sue MVP's. Ben's sidelined. Probably my favorite Reed personality wise but that's just me. The acting feels....weird? Idk. Everyone seems really reserved and under acting for everything that happens. I don't know what /co/ thought, but Superman mogs it HARD.

>>149536679
He can be a mutant, he can be anything

>>149544123
The magazines look AI generated

I really liked the film and honestly that version fo earth is one of the few cape worlds i'd actually want to live in. It's funny to think the F4 will going from their near utopic to the hot mess that is the main MCU earth.

>>149540053
Why does she push him in the direction he was walking to already?

>>149535580
>>149542927
it's the same guy who mindbroke Magneto with a wooden gun

>>149540053
they needed to make her turn pale, pop blood vessels, have bloodshot eyes etc. Instead it was just Reed going
>Sue, stop! It's too much!

You never get the sense that she's killing herself

>>149544479
This. A thousand times this.

>>149542669
>Dude is an astronaut, those people are meant to be intelligent.
Eh they just originally stole a rocket, Reed was a genius and Ben was a pilot, but that's it. Johnny's not known for being clever.

>>149544479
That would have scared the kids in the audience and made the pretty white lady hard to masturbate to for the nerds in the audience.

>>149542924
Maybe they just figured it didn't deserve it. Leave it to the next reboot in a decade or two.

>>149544578
See you in 2028 for FANTASTIC

Did anyone else feel kind of...meh the whole movie?

>avatar fire and ash trailer mandated by Disney to play in front of the movie
>immediately cuts right into the movie

I also kek'd at how weird it was but the whole movie felt off. Like the pacing was wrong.

I feel like everything else is fine to average but nothing ever really wowed me. There wasnt even any cheering from the crowd

Johnny Storm had more intellectual feats than Reed

>>149544479
They should have told the actress to try to cry pretty.

Feels ai generated

Is there a reference/reason to this Earth being called 828?

>>149535876
Shitty cast job (spic as a White man) and shitty portrayal.
They couldn't even get him to shave that shitty mustache for the role.

>>149544550
Yeah, Johnny literally just tagged along and they went with it.

>>149544649
At the end of the credits theres a quote from Jack kirby that shows 828 and then it slides to reveal his birthday as 8/28 and his date of death

>>149534613
The start of the movie has Reed picking up noise from across space which he thinks are messages but are too complex to decipher.
Johnny listens to it and then after Surfer comes to earth, she says something in a non-english language directly to Johnny which he pieces together as the same language in all those messages that Reed intercepted from space. He spends most of the movie listening to them to decipher the language then listens to all those messages again which he translates as people from Shala-Bal's planet broadcasting out to space to try and bring her back home, but also some last words of people from planets that Galactus destroyed as well

>>149544619
It's just another superhero movie, which is why fatigue is setting in (not so much stateside but definitely in Europe and Asia)

>>149544555
>pretty
let's not exaggerate here

>>149542924
Universal already had that date for Jurassic Park. You can't really do a Barbenheimer either since JP and FF are goinf after the same audience.
But to be fair, AfterBirth wasn't even planned until like late 2023, so Marvel should have really snatched up that spot themselves.

>>149541644
I disagree. She's ugly with a man's voice.

>>149544619
Its a non-origin movie but still totally an origin movie. No set up for anything, just tells a fantastic four type of story to just show off the characters.
I'm sad because Doomsday is just going to be a full on set up film and I doubt its going to be all that interesting

>>149544823
Do we even know who the avengers are? I know Pascal's going to be in there but I don't think steve rogers is going to show up

>>149544123
>The acting feels....weird? Idk. Everyone seems really reserved and under acting for everything that happens
Supposedly at the very least Pascal tried to do a deliberate Transatlantic accent to play up the time period and Reed's efforts to be a big celebrity to keep the public from fearing and mistrusting them, but Feige put the kibosh on it. Makes me wonder if the whole main cast got similarly tweaked.

>>149531380 (OP)
If weren't for the baby having reality-warper powers, Galactus would've straight-out eaten the earth.

>>149544645
It's because of the shitty yellow filter

>>149544035
What's this website's obsession with hypotheticals? You have no way of proving that you schizo freak.

What do the "First Steps" in the title even allude to? The F4 have been active for years in this world. Franklin's first steps? He's a baby and they timeskipped 4 years ahead in the Post-Credits scene, we don't even see him grow up.

>>149544661
Fucking hell, Ben kept warning Reed and is the one who got shafted in the end.

>>149545093
Rewrite leftover?

>>149544988
>What's this website's obsession with hypotheticals?
it's easier for faggots to strawman than to have good-faith arguments

>>149534069

Just go see Jurassic World

They tried to de-Pascalify Reed in rivals

>>149545206
Which is strange because they seem to have no issue portraying others as shitskins.

Namor still doesn't have a White-looking skin in Rivals. Hell, they went out of their way to make Peter look like a beaner in that one skin where he wears a bag on his head.

>>149540053
Does anyone else hate how Sue's powers look in this, I wish they were just blue or clear like they usually are or at least just regular rainbow energy like pic related if they wanted to go that way

>>149545206
Marvel Rivals MCU skins aren't 1:1 actor copies.

>>149545167
This board literally thrives off of bad faith arguments, though.

>>149545232
Maybe it's a hulk situation where they wanted one thing (normal reed/amadeus cho) disney told them do something else (pascal/bruce) so they ended up with a weird half attempt
>>149545270
yeah but this one has pascal as the nameplate, rivals reed as the model and spray and pascal stache in the emote, it's inconsistent in of itself

>>149545093
A few things
>First Steps as parents
>First Steps as Franklin grows up
>First Steps into the MCU
>First Steps into a new universe (616)
>First Steps into something truly unknown and facing legit possible failure (Galactus)

>>149531380 (OP)
This movie sucked

>>149545290
>Disney saved us from Amadeus Cho

>>149545206
I like what we got over just trying to make him look like Pedro. Sue looks better too

>>149534069
Superman

>>149545251
Aren't her force fields an extension of her ability to turn invisible? I assume it spread over a wide space would just look like distorted, prismatic light.

>>149545346
Not him but yeah in another draft of Captain America Brave New World they would have introduced Totally Awesome Hulk, Amadeus Cho. He was going to explain Adamantium properties to Sam, and that was how they were going to de-Hulk Ross. Also it was a leftover from their now failed and abandoned attempt to Young Avengers what with Kamala, Kate Bishop, and Wanda's kids

>>149534658
This looks awful

>>149545290
Man, I always thought Hulk's appearance in Rivals was just some gay stylistic choice. Now that you've pointed it out, they totally were just making that other Hulk and throwing it on Bruce Banner.
No wonder they haven't given him any classic looking skins.

>>149534069
Superman was legit great, but I'll give F4 a shot this weekend. Go see Supes

>>149534069
Superman if its just me, my wife, and my kid.
Fantastic Four if my parents are involved. My mom read FF as a kid and immediately knew what story they were doing when Galactus' shadow as shown. Genuinely surprised, to be honest.

>>149545406
>Superman was legit great
Idk if I'd call it great. It was better than I was expecting out of James Gunn, but still pretty run of the mill.

>>149545400
>No wonder they haven't given him any classic looking skins.
He has gladiator and Joe Fixit. Admittedly Joe has a 2099 twist thanks to the game timeline stuff

this movie was bs

Reed like an autistic retard actually tells the world that Galactus wants Franklin

Riots/cults form around the world turning the world against the Fantastic Four because of the implications. Then Sue talknojutsu a rioting crowd into leaving them alone in a cringe af moment.

This movie was mid at best

>>149545455
I was thinking more along the lines of his original color & hair style, but I guess you've got a point.

>>149545463

I also forgot to mention that

Entire world knows about the Galactus Showdown in NYC

No one, i mean nobody not even the Military or literally anyone else show up to help the Fantastic Four


shit really took me out of the film

>they took a heavily pregnant woman out into space to fight a space god

>>149545637
They told her they could abort it, but she wouldn't have it.

>>149531389
Hey now, they would've never gotten Fantastic Tower if Ben hadn't applied for that Heter Iska loan.

>my favourite Marvel character does nothing
I hate the MCU so much.

>>149545501
They tell you in the beggining that Reed created the perfect system to handle any trouble that pops up. Also, why would the military popup when the F4 is seen as the world's one and only heroes?

>>149531471
This version of The Thing is genuinely the single best adaptation of any comic book character, ever

>>149535119
>Silver Surfer actually surfs
Nice.

>>149531941
They even gave him a jewfro kek
>>149531951
Hey now, Anon. That's a little problematic. Just because he's lived in Brooklyn his whole life doesn't mean he has anywhere else to go if those Gazans reclaim their territory.

>>149532130
Oh, honey. You've never experienced the magic of Hollywood "writing" before, have you?

>>149545690
Nice try, but the Thing isn't anyone's favorite character.

>>149532181
Anon, that didn't happen and if you say it did you're a racist incel chud nazi russian troll.

>>149545749
I'd like him a lot more if he weren't a kike.

Are people memeing or does Ben really do nothing?

>>149532130
No the first plan is to cover earth in teleport machines to teleport it away and silver surfer destroys all but the one in times square so they just shoot it at galactus instead

The Thing was done so much better in the old film. The scene with him trying to pick up the ring on the bridge has stuck with me and is far better than anything in this film.

>>149545346
Hulk Cho wouldn't be a thing without them...

>"It's jobbering time!
I clapped.

>>149533203
You entered a spoiler thread. It's your fault. You can't read a spoiler thread without getting spoiled.

How are they going to pull off the highly demanded Thing vs Hulk and/or Wolverine vs Hulk if Mark Ruffalo refuses to play the fucking character? Savage is gone. Alt universe variants of Savage played by Lou Ferigno and Eric Bana?

>>149545778
he kvetches about his catchphrase, because god forbid an MCU not be ashamed of its comic origins for once.

>>149540901
Byrne.

>>149545417
Based comic reading mom

>>149533266
No, but usually they're both attractive, fit White people so it goes without saying. They went for the Gal Gadot gambit so you have to have a lot of dialogue informing you these people are sexy, smart, and cool.

>>149545796
But given when this is set, shouldn't Ben be over his personal issues by now? I still wish Alicia was in this

>>149545814
>soihulk vs soithing
oh, what a battle for the ages it will be.

>>149536831
Am I the only one bothered by the bad cut of Galactus showing up on Manhattan on his throne where they never actually show how the fuck he appeared and the top of the throne is kind of awkwardly in the cut where he gets up and never otherwise seen?

>>149545778
Yes and no, he saves the team by piloting the ship during the Surfer chase sequence and help the team push Galactus into the teleporter. There's inherently not much a character like the Thing can do in this sorta storyline besides give moral support to the rest of the team IMO.

>>149545839
There's nothing wrong with this Ben

Movie sucked, would've preferred if it ended with Galactus killing everyone and Reed falling into a dimensional portal or something and becoming Maker

>>149545862
>doesn't have his classic cadence
>is reluctant/embarrassed to say "it's clobberin time"
>wears a shirt

>>149545814
Have they really done any highly demanded thing yet?

>>149545749
John Byrne proves you wrong.

>>149535119
> surfer comes out of a mini-black hole
> proceeds to surf a literal full size black hole
beyond cosmically based

>>149545891
>No blind waifu
>Barely at all touches on his insecurity as a weird monster, and when it does it goes nowhere

>>149545835
Why ISN'T Alicia in this? Why did they invent some random other redhead woman who isn't blind? Why did they reference the puppet master if Alicia doesn't exist?

>>149545891
>Does a weak "It's clobbering time!"
>Doesn't smack-talk Galactus.

>>149531471
Ironically, when we did get Alicia, she got blackwashed.

>Galactus adaptation
>No Ultimate Nullifier

>>149546069
I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with Ben in this. He looks perfect, but everything else is just so so weak. Its the most tepid Thing we've ever seen, (barring Fant4stic) Theres just no energy to him, he seems perpetually tired and sleepy. The Thing is a loud, colorful character, even when hes sad.

>>149546103
>We didnt get to see Reed waving a doomsday device around like a crazy person
>They just push him down a well instead
Shoulda thought of that one in the comics I guess

>>149546140
>"Without his ship he'll be stranded!"
....Yeah, that's what you hope, Reed. He's a fucking Space God. It may drain him, but he can probably warp back to the ship

>>149534352
Doom would have no need to participate in the UN. Latveria is a sovereign nation, not a territory in an international empire.

>>149546186
He'd usually send a Doombot to attend in his place. He's done it before

Maybe Ryan North has spoiled me but man Reeds stretching in this was so disappointing. If anyone hadn't read the comics they'd think his power is to just make his arms and legs slightly longer. Wheres the weird shit

>>149546206
Since Galactus is clearly just a big guy in this who is subject to physics I was really surprised we never got the classic "Reed Richards giftwraps the villain and stretches to his limits to try and subdue them" type sequence. At least around his legs like empire strikes back.

>>149546206
This is why DC needs to fast track The Terrifics and introduce Plastic Man

>>149534666
If you have to use 50+ words of jumping through hoops to explain it normies aren't going to like it no matter how much money you spend telling them that they have to.
>>149534729
The whole scene. He does that thing A.I. does where it subtly stretches in unnatural ways.
>>149534866
Reason # 638479 why using a chick Silver Surfer was dumb. Her hair (and to a lesser degree, her breasts) ruin the illusion and just look silly. Silver Surfer is cool because he's almost like a mannequin, complete with Barbie Doll anatomy. He's a bald guy without super defined features but you can tell by his muscular physique that he's human enough to be a guy and the reflective silver and zooming through space on a surfboard is cool enough that it all works. This just looks silly.

Also, what the heck is this scene, it's like she turns her head 240 degrees while the camera is trying to circle around to her. Is this AI, too?

>>149546293
Pump it into my fucking veins. I know they wont bitch out.

>>149546280
>Since Galactus is clearly just a big guy in this who is subject to physics I was really surprised we never got the classic "Reed Richards giftwraps the villain and stretches to his limits to try and subdue them" type sequence
Anon, this film was made by cynics who held their nose up at the fact that they were making a comic book superhero movie, not by actual comic book superhero fans.

>>149546293
It's a shame Jim Carry is too old to play him

>>149546311
The end credits was really funny when they show all the classic villains looking exactly as they did in the 60s but also a cartoon of the mole man with his movie design looking like he escaped season 1 of Arrow.

>>149546342
>looking like he escaped season 1 of Arrow
Speaking of which, I feel like the MCU keeps looking more and more like CW quality despite all the 100s of millions they're pumping into production of these movies/tv shows.

>>149546342
At first I enjoyed when they started namedropping villains like the wizard or the puppet master, similar to Peacemaker or Superman having this established history and comic booky world, but after moleman I know if they showed up it'd be some shit like
>Uh oh watch out gang, Its The Wizard!

>>149546369
Most of the money goes to RDJ even if he's not in the movie. The actual budget of the films is whatever falls off the dumb truck full of money they drive to his house.

>>149546391
do you think doomsday will rival incredible bulk levels of cgi with so many named actors

>>149539621
is that an ability of the Power Cosmic? it probably is

>>149545778
He refused to say his catchphrase for most of the movie, and when he does it's just one hit among many to Galactus. It's nothing like Hulk's "I'm always angry" moment, or Johnny deciphering an alien language, or Sue nearly solo'ing Galactus, or Reed's plan to teleport the entire Earth away.

>>149545796
Remember how deep and gravelly his voice sounds?

does Surfer do any wacky shit?

>>149546206
>Wheres the weird shit
hear hear

>>149546469
Shes pretty cool when shes an antagonist. Does similar stuff to that movie, phasing through objects. Actually surfs the spaceways.

>>149546430
I think we'll be lucky if they don't use AI for all the special effects

>>149532130
Honestly I think it's pretty in-character for Reed to come up with an extremely complicated plan only to scrap it for a last-minute simpler solution. The second plan also requires using Franklin as bait, so they weren't exactly keen on doing it.

>>149546486
they already used ai for the secret invasion intro, it's in the cards

my biggest disappointment?
SS and Galactus never display any cosmic powers. no energy beams, eye lasers or any sort of thing. I could picture the Subterranea monsters, the awesome android and the Wizard joining and doing something but the whole Galactus thing was never a fight.

>Alternate universe where Sue actually dies
>Richard goes insane and starts traveling to other worlds in search of a Sue
>Every Sue he meets hates what he’s become
>This leads to him destroying that Earth and becoming The Maker
I saved you a phase

I haven't been keeping up with the comics lately, has Maker done anything of note recently? I recall the new ultimate universe crap turning out to be a load of nothing.

>>149531723
That's what will happen in any real dangerous confrontation.

So what do the cynic-anons here think about Doom's design from you can tell from it? everyone was freaking out about how the birthday card design was the real deal, but he looked pretty much the knight-like one he usually has but his masked looked featureless and chrome.

>>149546588
The mask looks like shit
Everything on it is too round

>>149546570
Hes still in baby jail, but will get out in a few months.

i find it funny how they blueball you twice, one where they try to teleport the earth and silver surfer fucks their plan up literally at the last second, and later in the 3rd act where galactus walks straight to the big teleporter and steps away the second he sees reed.
did they think galactus is a fucking retard or something???

>>149546570
the ultimative universe will die in december

>>149546588
His mask looks way too soft and featureless. Like its just a silver face, smooth eyebrows. Very polished and sci-fi. Hes also not wearing gauntlets, hes got velvet gloves on.

>>149546445
so it's worse then the 2005 use of it? damn man

>>149546640
Yeah, here's the scene

>>149546625
>No rivets or layers
Oh well, not like hes going to wear it that much anyway

there's a lot I like about all the F4 movies.
but I like this one the most. I'm looking forward to seeing them interact with the MCU.

I just realised, does Johnny ever actually say flame on? Outside of the toy?

speaking of invincible cgi babies. is there a hollywood place that just has newborns on docket ready for any movie that needs one?

>>149546675
he said it in D&W

>>149546652
Damn Reed can't stretch for shit in this universe

>>149546652
Why is Galactus enjoying this so much isn't he supposed to be an apathetic space entity.

>>149535068
>>149535225
>>149540918
They should've gotten someone like pic rel

>>149535864
Yeah, the most athletic and sociable member of the Fantastic Four who historically has the most screen presence. It would've been really hard to figure out something for him to do.

What kind of an excuse is that? Duh, we had too many characters so we had to fit in a sidequest.

>>149546746
>MCU casting a beautiful White woman
They'll only do it for a one-off gag about being the fuckdoll of some fat bastard chink, anon.

>>149536220
> Not even a million
Pack it up, boys. It's over.

>>149536805
Disney threatens journalists with being iced out of ALL Disney/Marvel/Star Wars events if they don't ape all of their movies, but as they've grown too prideful that's gradually becoming less and less of a threat. I think in about 10 years or so we'll start to see a lot of RLM-esque retrospectives on these previously "beloved" blockbusters once the hype dies down and people don't care about what Disney has to say anymore.

>>149546280
>like empire strikes back.
That really old movie?

>>149538288
That's not how standalone works.

>>149546293
>it looks like the T-rex is holding the baseball bat
Ok that got me

I dont understand why Reed and Sues kid with their powerset both in comics and this I guess is just literally Marvel Jesus

>>149545251
I agree
>>149540053
They cut to her one too many times, it made it a bit corny. Also the SFX aren't great. Sue really captures the Mom energy well, but they're forgetting that she's supposed to be 10-20 years younger than Reed.

Also, M-She-U back in full force.

>>149536805
Superman's scores shouldn't be as high are they are either. People are just desparate for a superhero movie to do well for some reason.

>>149538155
The post-credits is him facing away from the camera. In the context of an F4 film, this is basically just them saying "Look, Doom is here now".

>>149541574
The men saying something and then doing a fakeout that they're about to help, but ultimately just getting swatted aside while the women actually beat the villain is the women saving the world while the men watch.

Also, nice meme. Did you get that from 2020?

>>149542927
My sides

>>149546901
call it cope, call it a marketing push, this has been going on since chris evans screamed flame on and henry cavill cosplayed as wolverine

>>149546930
>this has been going on since chris evans screamed flame on and henry cavill cosplayed as wolverine
Marvel fatigue definitely did not start with Deadpool/Wolverine. If anything, that delayed the Marvel fatigue.

>>149546877
I thought that was Cyke and Jean's one.

>>149544770
They have the name gimmick, they had the power.

>>149546469
The way that she moves looks cool. It looks like they motion captured a real surfer with the way she tilts and balances on the board. There are a couple of times where she's surfing on waves of fire and the light reflects off of her skin and off of the board.

>>149543996
Do they show her sitting in a Silver Surfer apartment watching TV or something?

>>149546323
They can do a lot with digital de-aging.

Blonde Joseph Quinn looked like young RDJ, they should have just cast him as an AU Tony and had him on 616 post reboot

>>149542924
Nah, it was better now just to kill the legs of the superman movie. Those very short chubby legs of Superman movie.

>>149545093
It's some vague thing the hack writers came up with to make it seem like they were harkening back to the golden age even though it's the most post modern slop you could imagine.

>>149546972
She's [spoiler[walking on a beach with a little girl (presumably her daughter) and then Galactus shows up and picks her up with a red tractor beam. The narration explains how she sacrifices herself and pledges to serve Galactus as his Herald if he spares her daughter and spares her planet.[/spoiler]

>>149547016
>make it seem like they were harkening back to the golden age
But Fantastic Four is from the Silver Age...

>>149546652
> It looks like they barely hit him
> Johnny and Ben get KO'd because otherwise a man might get involved with the action during Sue's big moment

>>149531380 (OP)
>Pedro Pascal is whatever as Reed, his plan is initially to teleport the entire Earth away from Galactus, but it ends up being teleporting Galactus away from Earth. Real big brain moment

so like Crisis on Infinite Earths?

>>149547017
I feel like it would've been better to keep that vague and offscreen. Why would he need a herald? It's something that works when he's just an ominous cool looking guy but actually seeing it happen ruins it. It's sort of like that Longlegs movie.
>>149547037
The more you think about it, the more problems you find.

>>149531471
>>149545714
i thought the 2000s movies were dogshit but the Thing's arc in that and choosing to go back to being a weird rockman to help his friends was genuinely compelling.

Wait so what the fuck does the post credit scene in Thunderbolts mean? I thought that the F4 would lose the fight and go to Earth (Whatever the number is) to seek shelter.

>>149547119
apparently they're smart enough not to spoil the end of F4: First Steps with the Thunderbolt post-credits scene. They teased Doom in this movie, so most likely F4 showing up in Thunderbolts is related to Doom fucking things up

what is /co/'s opinion on Franklin having resurrection powers, I mean it isn't a surprise as he can just make bullshit out of nothing but having it in the MCU?

I feel like pretty much all four of them are casting misfires which is weird because before now they were probably batting lose to 100% in casting.

>>149536805
It's not. Superman is higher on Metacritic rn. F4 is higher on Rotten Tomatoes, but that's because RT just curates based on the % of critics giving something a positive score. So a "passable 6-7/10" movie is guaranteed a high score on Rotten Tomatoes, but it doesn't actually average the ratings. Shang-Chi for example has like a 92% on RT.

>>149544479
Or the good old nosebleed.

>>149531380 (OP)
Just saw the movie.
It was a well made basic movie. I remember seeing articles about how the movie started filming in fall of 2023, so it is impressive that it isn't a complete train wreck for something that had to be cobbled together quick to meet a deadline in a year.
I want Zen Laa's silvussy bad.

>>149547153
Why wouldn't he have it? It's one of his power sets sense he brought back a fucking miscarriage

>>149531380 (OP)
I liked it. Ben is meant to be the connection to the ppl and the F4 so they don't forget who the little guy is.

Weird we didn't see more of reeds powers. Just general stretching no body size shifting.

I liked when the character died but then wasn’t dead, that does wonders for the sense of stakes in the story. Plus it was an homage to the other movie.

>>149534451
>>149534398
Did Johnny ever showcase intellect in the comics.
My knowledge of him is limited to Chris Evans where he just came off as a dudebro, some meme pics of him getting it on with his spaghetti monster gf, and a bit of the 90s cartoon.
It was weird seeing him come up with the rosetta stone of Shallputma Ballsdeep after a month(?) of research.

>>149547600
He's got, like, average intelligence, sure.
But, it's not like he was a scientist with Reed in his origin. He got a free ride from being brothers with Reed's fiance.

>>149533387
If he is handled just like Galactus I don't see the point

>>149547626
After Quantumania, there's no way they will make VoN DooM a complete jobber like Kang (variants)
They need someone, anyone to make this saga worth giving a fuck.

>>149547600
Learning a language isn't too big brain.
Johnny remembers hearing the phrase and he looks into it.
Plus it gives him something to do instead of looking around waiting for reed to figure shit out.

>>149544555
>hard to masturbate
speak for yourself
women getting nosebleeds and burst vessels are what I am into

>>149545332
>First Steps into a new universe (616)
They never step into a new universe in this movie.

>>149545377
>>149545346
I heard that the kid from stranger things was so abysmal at playing Amadeus Cho that they opted to just cut him out completely in Cptn Erica.

>>149534371
why would latveria be there? Isn't UN positions alphabetically determined?

>>149545199
>jurassic slop
would rather sit and watch paint dry, truly. only the original jurassic park is good.

>>149544619
Yeah, the beginning of the movie all the way up until they meet Galactus for the first time felt strange. Like the story was taking it's time getting going or something. The movie felt like it was sleepwalking. I really can't put my finger on it. Maybe the characters were just so poorly written that I didn't care enough. My crowd didn't cheer for anything either. All the applause-bait moments got nothing out of anyone.

>>149548013
this isn't the UN, it's the Future Foundation

>>149535068
My gay coworker brought up something that bugged me after he pointed it out. Sue's hair looks WAY too modern. It's bizarre because all the extras look properly dolled up in 60s fashion and hairstyles, but Sue looks like she walked out of 2025. It's such as lazy design choice. Why couldn't it have looked like pic related?

>>149531389
>>149531380 (OP)
Mr Fantastic? More like Mr Flaccid haha, Plastic Man no diffs him!

>>149545749
how do you go through life being this fucking braindead?

Reed is an effeminate do-nothing. I don't like Sue being a girl boss.

>>149548155
Good hair is oppressive or something.

>>149539869
No one cares about how strong Sue is. She's "the girl" of the team. She should be supporting not making tremendous solo plays on her own.

>>149545093
It's a doble meaning, referencing both the space race and the general theme of parenting

>>149548155
>>149548688
Yeah, dolled up is a no-go.

>>149545796
I throught Ben was servicable on the new film, the story just doesn't revolve around him unlike the '05 version.

>>149545796
Both 1994 and 2005 Things using real costumes make them cooler in action in ways the 2015 and 2025 Things will never achieve

>>149546840
How not? The entire film is self-contained contained, not needing any previous work to be followed nor ending in a cliffhanger. All threads are wrapped up by the end.

>>149546919
Again, you're deliberately leaving aside the actions of the other members of the FF, even after Sue goes full mama bear. Also
>Why is the villain dealt his final blow by the most powerful member of the team

>>149547119
Both Thunderbolts and FF's post credits scenes are actual scenes from Doomsday, and they we're both shot by the Russos.

>>149547525
Idk what those articles were but that's just bs. Film started filming past July, after the release of D&W.

>>149548679
How is Sue a girl boss in the film. She just behaves like she normally does in the comics, never scolding the men around her and pitting them down. Her motherly traits are still there, and are a core part of the film.

>>149548866
>Film started filming past July, after the release of D&W.
So they had less a year to cobble together this movie. Hats off to them and the Disney CGI slave camp.

>>149548885
I wish Sue was my momma

>>149548897
Yeah, there was a lot of discussion over how they'd be able to pull it off, and many were dooming over it by comparing it to Superman, which started filming around mid to late 2023 giving them much more time for post production.

>>149538329
>Ben is also the inspirational one of the group for the neighborhood and kids in general around the world, they all love him and he's a sweetheart to everyone. Just because he didn't punch Galactus in his Cosmic balls doesn't mean he didn't do anything.

Funny, there was a time when that was the common defense for Sue's role on the team. How things have changed.

I wish I had liked the movie, but I just can't. It's so prepackaged to be bland and inoffensive that it becomes cynical and craven.

>>149531389
What a revolting development.

>>149547153
On the one hand, it could be seen as setup for a Heroes Reborn kinda thing. On the other, the multiverse stuff already makes death so cheap that that doesn't sound that impressive.

Wait, so SS does a heelturn after Johnny shows her the things she already knew she was doing when she was heralding the destruction of whole planets?

>>149535751
This was too stupid, they literally assumed Galactus had the object permanence of a toddler for some reason.

>>149549085
Isn't that the basic SS story anyway?
>I herald Galactus.
>Hey man that really sucks for us. Don't you feel bad about doing this?
>Kinda...
>You wanna fight your boss for us?

Johnny just let her listen to the screams of the dying planets

>>149549112
But the secret ingredient is that SS bonds on a deep level with some earthling. Even the 2007 movie knew this.

>>149549123
The appeal doesn't work out on her out of nowhere. She earlier expresses concern to Galactus about seaking the fate of what is literally just a baby, and Johnny gets through to her by specifically appealing to the idea of family, which triggers the memory of her daughter.

>>149549123
>>149549153
she also presumably never listened to the literal dying screams of people from the planets she chose, which Johnny played for her

>>149549060
>multiverse stuff already makes death so cheap that that doesn't sound that impressive
This bullshit again?

>>149549153
I think the problem is that it forces the whole "a million is a statistic" thing ontto the movie. Galactus has eaten literally countless babies, across as many worlds but this ONE is the only one that we're supposed to feel bad about and it's the final straw worth changing sides for, because it's related to the main characters.

It's the same kind of logic that goes "If I to kill the villain I'm as bad as them" but the henchmen on the way to the villain are fair game.

>>149549153
That's unnecesarily convoluted and, if you're going to commit to it, in need of more time to develop. Fall of Adam works better in the context of a short movie.

>>149549112
Another anon here. Never got to read the original Surfer story, but didn't he offer to find empty planets? How come they end up on Earth, ignoring later retcons?

>>149549175
I understand that logic, but I think that what makes the conflict make sense is the particular circumstances around Franklin. Galactus doesn't just want to kill him, he wants to forcibly pass on his mantle to him, condemning the boy to an eternity of the same suffering he's experienced for billions of years.

>>149544630
>>149547353
You know it's bad when they were willing to let Jessica Alba's Sue get a nosebleed from straining her powers but not Vanessa Kirby's.

>>149549195
The movie does a piss poor job of establishing that as a fate worse than death. It's just too rushed for basically any of the characters to have any real depth.

>>149549187
At his first appareance, SS targets planets with life given how they're the most nutritious ones.

>>149549187
IIRC empty planets don't have enough calories or something.

>>149539621
>Galactus uses the Birthing Laser.

>>149549085
>Silver Surfer's character arc.

Hot Take: Galactus and Ben should have been practical

>>149549246
I'm curious as to how much was practical because when they were on the spaceship I was struck by how fake everything felt for the first time in ages.

>>149540117
I just saw the movie and I agree with them. I don't care about who's hurting who or powerlevel shit. The problem is Reed and Ben feel completely ineffectual in the final encounter and the only reason Johnny feels helpful is because he saves Ben and convinces Silver Surfer. He still didn't actually help push Galactus to the teleporter. Even when Reed figured out he could forcefully open those valves on Galactus suit it was just a momentary inconvenience and didn't actually bring them closer to saving the day. Sue literally did 90% of the work, then the Silver Surfer sealed the deal.

>>149549282
The first scene where Ben meets the Jewish lady kept cutting to this specific shot where Ben looked super off.

>>149541644
The Silver Surfer mogged her so hard, especially in the voice department.

>>149549307
To be fair her powers seem to be the one with the highest potential? Reed could only stretch (poorly, in this movie), Ben punches, and Johnny shoots flame. By contrast "force fields" can go from itty bitty personal shield to giant fuck you forces. Plus it literally killed her

I cannot condone this buffonery. They did my niggalactus dirty.

>>149531471
Dogshit Doom. I will never apologise.

>>149546710
I feel like there were cooks in the kitchen who couldn't agree on Galactus.
He was willing to bargain with the FF when he could have chosen to both take Franklin and the earth, and he seemed way more careful to not fuck shit up on earth than he needed to be (implying he was going to honor the deal), but then he has that weird line about destroying the earth and making Franklin watch, and the fact that he just flat out seemed to find great amusement in torturing Reed, makes It harder to accept he was just doing what had to be done.

>>149549345
>Reed could only stretch (poorly, in this movie), Ben punches, and Johnny shoots flame.

And they were still able to get licks on Galactus.

>>149549375
I saw it as him finally getting some personal stakes in what happens to him. He states that Franklin could be what finally puts his hunger to rest, and his interest in that takes prescedence over consuming the planet, and so is far more involved.

Is this better than Thunderbolts? I thought that one was super underwhelming after so many glowing reviews.

>>149549490
Same category, with better lighting but worse performances.

>>149534866
Reminder that rightwing grifters wanted to take this from you.

>>149549490
It's much more interesting visually and conceptually but it has the same problem where the actual content feels really stretched out to fit a movie runtime.

>>149549467
Him bothering to stand there and torture Reed literally put his plan with Franklin in jeopardy though.

Kinda dull movie but Silver Surfer and her bellybutton were worth it.
I kinda liked some of the shop talk when they were piloting the ship and going through the operation procedures, but that leads directly into Sue giving birth on the ship which was cheesy and awkward.

>>149549490
Thunderbolts was a movie that tried to say something and if you didn't care about what it had to say there's nothing in it for you for over 2 hours.
FFFS is a standard superhero family movie where they save the day through the power of love and family with a little bit of family drama and dilemmas. It's extremely safe. You will be entertained but you won't remember it.

How does something like The Incredibles work but this, with the same ingredients, doesn't? Seemed like all the elements were there: sci-fi, family relationships, comedy, superheroing, aesthetics... but set up at minimum intensity. Felt like a rollercoaster that stops before the first drop.

>>149531380 (OP)
alright last question, anything with Doctor Doom in it? If no then I will go see Superman later, if yes then I'll watch this.

>>149546746
they're looking for actors anon

>>149549759
None. He appears after credits, and you don't see his face or even hear him speak.

>>149549759
Literally an empty chair and a post credits cameo that's actually a scene from another movie.
They don't even talk about Doom in the review of their historical escapades a hero team. He's not even in their cartoon!
It honestly makes me wonder if he's literally not a villain yet in this universe.

>>149549785
>>149549813
Thank you. Yea fuck this shit. All of this sounds bad and I would have given some lee way to cameo or more of his stuff, but no Doom means no watch.

In what universe is Ben not the most generally well-liked member of the Fantastic Four? ... Aside from in-universe, I guess.

>>149549404
>You must not ANGER him!
>Or else he might... uh... eat your planet anyway... aw shucks

>>149550494
Meant as a response to this: >>149545749

>>149549345
Ben punches REAL hard, and Johnny can make objects and sort of holograms with his flame, not even counting when he can go supernova with them, which is probably later power creep like it happened with Sue.

Would you give up your baby to save the planet? I wouldn't