Thread 149534347

I’m not talking about stuff like Frosty the Snowman or Animaniacs or stuff like that that were animated overseas in Japan, I’m talking about stuff produced entirely in Japan. It seems like all anime influenced by western animation seem to have their quirks that give them an Eastern look, much like how all Western attempts at replicating anime still have their western quirks.

Honestly I feel like anime like this should appeal to users of /co/ much like how stuff like Avatar or Castlevania appeals to users of /a/.

Batman TAS

Panty and Stocking, easy. It’s literally inspired by Drawn Together.

>>149534347 (OP)
>like how stuff like Avatar or Castlevania appeals to users of /a/.
They don't.

>>149534411
Nobody like Netflix Castlevania but i don’t don’t think that /a/ dislikes ATLA

>>149534411
This. Castlevania was shit and atla is good for a shonen but it's quite sad that most people consider it " the best western cartoon". Says a lot about the industry.

>>149534459
>i don’t don’t think that /a/ dislikes ATLA
They have the same opinion as >>149534464. It's ok but overrated. There are plenty of people on /a/ that also think it's shit or don't even give a fuck about it since it doesn't do anything special that they haven't seen in anime already. .

It’s definitely possible for the Japanese to perfectly replicate western cartoons

John K. met this talented guy in Japan called Uni M. who perfectly draws in the Ren & Stimpy artstyle.
https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2023/04/thanks-to-journal-standard-clothing.html?m=1
https://www.instagram.com/uni1015m/

Honestly seeing how Japans animation industry fucks over its animators a lot more its the perfect country to animate a Ren & Stimpy reboot, similar to how some western cartoons were animated by Japan back in the day.

Legend of the Forest Part 1

>I’m not talking about stuff like Frosty the Snowman or Animaniacs or stuff like that that were animated overseas in Japan

careful, Famicom is gonna inevitably shit up this thread with his TMSBS

>>149534513
ren and stimpy doesn't need a reboot, make new stuff you fucking hacks
> similar to how some western cartoons were animated by Japan back in the day.
That changed when Japan started focusing more on its domestic animation.

>>149534399
Influenced by Drawn Together and South Park writing-wise, influenced by PowerPuff Girls and Dexters Lab visually.

I find that shows artstyle interesting cause it shows the way Japan views western cartoons, the show embraces being flat, off-model and cheap looking cause that’s what the Japanese see western cartoons as being.

>>149534604
>by PowerPuff Girls
In a way it's a full circle since PPG was also partially inspired by anime.

>>149534370
OP said stuff animated overseas in Japan doesn’t count, retard.

>>149534347 (OP)
Tangentially related, but I wanted to share this little factoid. The main artist behind Digmon designs was actually heavily inspired by 90s american comics like Spawn. This is why so many digimon just have a bunch of guns thrown on them.

>>149534892
Western animation influence seems to be very prevelant in Japanese video games, has been for a while, like Sonic is obviously Mickey Mouse-based.

>>149535002
>>149534892
It's very common in reverse as well. Samurai jack literally has a character from Lupin make a cameo.

>>149534347 (OP)
Probably some 60s toie movies like the Little Mermaid.
>>149535035
True. I would say that almost every western cartoon made after 2000 is at least partially inspired by anime.

Which kind of anime-influenced shows do the Japanese like the best? If any, they seem to be more interested in Western cartoons that look like cartoons like SpongeBob and PowerPuff Girls than fakime.

>>149535084
Not all western cartoons lmao, you can’t look at stuff like this and tell me anime inspired it

>>149535123
I said almost and EEnE started in the 90s. A lot of cartoon creators in the 00s were fans of anime. Even the guys working on VentureBros.

https://animationobsessive.substack.com/p/japanese-legends-and-their-favorite

>No film gets more credit for the anime boom than Space Battleship Yamato (1977), also known as Star Blazers.2 Its success excited investors and broadened the industry. Plenty more Yamato movies followed. So, it’s fitting that Manga Shonen opened its article with the answers of director Noburo Ishiguro, who played a major role in that series. Ishiguro’s work wasn’t like Disney’s, but he confessed to being a “Disney fan.” Snow White (1937) was his pick from the studio.

>In general, quite a bit of love for Disney turned up. Snow White got mentioned several times. The director of Toei Doga’s Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon (1963) chose Bambi — as did Akira Daikubara, one of Toei’s essential animators. “This work showed me the wonder of feature-length animated films,” he noted.

>It wasn’t just Toei. Even more Disney fans came from the rival Mushi Production. Take director Osamu Dezaki (Ashita no Joe), whose style helped to set the template for boys’ action anime from then on. Snow White was the only film on his list.

>Another ex-Mushi artist, Junji Kobayashi (Jumping), put it bluntly: If you think animation is best represented by Space Battleship Yamato or Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, you’re very mistaken; the work I would like young fans to see is Fantasia.

>>149534735
Oh, then this.

>>149535002
>Western animation influence seems to be very prevelant in Japanese video games, has been for a while, like Sonic is obviously Mickey Mouse-based
In fact most modern Japanese character designs are descended from Donald Duck. That's where the big expressive eyes come from.

>>149534347 (OP)
Tezuka, he was the original disney adult.

>>149535427
People have taken Astro Boy to partially be inspired by Pinocchio, Frankenstein, and Metropolis.

>>149535090
Tried doing this image but with cartoon-inspired anime, someone feel free to finish it for me idk shit about anime

>>149535347
It's funny because they felt the same

>Soviet animators felt the tremors. At a Baseduzmultfilm meeting in 1973, the legendary Fyodor Khitruk said, “We have a serious competitor. ... I watched Japanese animation.”4 After Toei’s Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves hit the USSR in the ‘70s, the director of The Snow Queen called it “wonderful.” The Snow Queen was Miyazaki’s favorite film, and he’d worked a lot on Ali Baba. The admiration was now mutual

>>149536761
>Baseduzmultfilm
kek

>>149536761
>>149535347
Based russians and japanese respecting each other. Russians fucking love anime.

>>149535347
>Snow White was the only film on his list
That's pretty interesting. Dezaki was way more of a film fan than an animation fan.

psg is the obvious answer, but I'd say Big O is up there, too

>>149537342
Eh, still looks like an anime

Gainax also made another series that looks western cartoon-inspired, albeit not as extreme as PSG

Here's the thing. The line between "anime" and "cartoons" isn't as clear as some people like to pretend it is. Because most anime understands and are proud of its inspirations, including western media, which most anime does take inspiration from in some shape or form.
This is in sharp contrast with western attempts to copy anime, simply taking it a surface level without even bothering to understand it.

What might as well be the biggest anime in the world right now, that nobody can say isn't "anime" is One Piece, and it happily shares that its visual inspirations are western. Most classic Hannah Barbara, to Tim Burton, to Asterix, to Disney, to the main character literally being "rubber" (rubber hose) and a trickster, there is no denying One Piece is very western animation inspired and proud of it, Oda himself even said his main inspiration for One Piece was Vicky the Viking, a series of western children's books, albeit ones that eventually got an anime adaptation, but still kept the original style from said books

Even the most "anime" anime you can probably think of has its roots in western media, if not western animation, than western film.

>>149537827
Doesn't this go both ways? Cartoons that don't look anime at all like Genndy Tartakovsky's stuff were inspired by anime. Most western directors have taken at least some inspiration from anime/toku/japanese cinema.

>>149534347 (OP)

Tiny Toons, next question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXAtRE4koo

>>149538657
Also Batman
https://batmantheanimatedseries.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Animation_by_Tokyo_Movie_Shinsha_Co.,_LTD.

>>149538715
And for those who are going to cry and say "but those are outsourced animation I want a full production" there's also the case of Little Nemo

>>149534347 (OP)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

>>149538431
A few things.
Firstly, saying something doesn't "look like an anime" does more harm than good since "anime" is not a style, its a collection of styles from an entire nation, because anime is still a medium of animation at the and of the day that can and does have many styles
Secondly, Genndy, for all his faults, at least tries to pay tribute to other artists that inspired his work. On the eastern side, you can tell Monkey Punch (Lupin the 3rd), Shotaro Ishinomori (Cyborg 009), Fujiko Fujio (Doraemon), Tatsuo Yoshida (Speed Racer), and of course Osamu Tezuka (Astro Boy) all played a major part is his art.

Which is more than than I can for most "western anime" styled shows, that only copy the most superficial parts of any given anime. And what you're saying is true, many western filmmakers now are taking inspiration from anime and understand it better than western animators. Sinners, understands the cinematic language of anime more than Netflix Castlevania ever did, to say nothing about Toku and Japanese cinema.

>>149538657
>>149538715
>>149538760
Hi Famicom

Off topic thread. Fuck off

>>149539112
"Western influences in anime" is a perfectly valid topic. It's going to go to shit very very quickly though.

>>149539048
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I don’t think anime is an art style. My point is that while there are western animators that use anime just for shallow references, there are also a lot of western animators that are fans of anime and understand what makes anime shine but you can’t see that in their works unless you are an anime fan with good enough knowledge yourself. It has already been posted itt but the creators of btas fucking loved anime and you can see it in their work(besides the outsourced stuff obviously)

>>149534347 (OP)
You either mean early theatrical shorts, or early Disney. In the second case, some of their early theatrical films, that lacked a real identity until they figured their shit out later. With rubbrehose shorts though...... it barely exists.

>>149539157
Anime is shit that isnt appealing to the west.

>>149534347 (OP)
>Avatar or Castlevania appeals to users of /a/
what
/a/ doesn't like that faux shit

>>149539207
Which is exactly my point. Most western influences on anime are mostly surface level fluff, a bike slide here or a Ghibli refenence there, maybe dig deep for a more obscure anime from the 80s to be quirky, but it's all surface level. Most western modern "magical girl" shows have a transformation sequence, a cute mascot, and call it a day. When the original Sailor Moon manga is very surreal and dreamlike, the anime is lighter but more playful with how it presents itself, Cardcaptor Sakura is whimisical but also slightly melancholic, PreCure is bombastic and showy not unlike Sentai or western cape stuff, Madoka is grim in contrast with its cute designs but has that that same sense of whimsy CCS had

Not a single western magical girl show is able to capture what made those series great or even how to stand out. I think the only western "magical girl" show that was able to stand of its own two legs, and understood what it was, was the original PPG.

If you are a fan of something, and inspired by it, it should be evident through your work and not be pointed at. I'm not denying there's western work that understands anime, but that's becoming more of the exception rather than the rule the more its done, and it becomes more soulless mush

For the life of me I couldn't tell what inspired Skull Island or that Tomb Raider show besides "anime" as a vague concept

>>149540030
Where does Teen Titans stand on being anime inspired? Surface level or earnest.

>>149540354
Somehow a mix of both.
TT 03 exists in a wierd place that's more western inspired in its characters and plots, but still very genuine in wanting to pay tribute to eastern media without really understanding how.
I can certainly see shades of classic anime in it, and that's were it's more comfortable, but it also very clearly wants to be on the seen on the level of more "contemporary" anime of the time. It's very battle shounen/super mecha esq with how the team is structured and written.

>>149540354
Mocknime, and not even a good one to begin with, it copied the bad of anime (le comedy and tsundere humor) and it failed to learn from the good (the action and the serious, former being ruined by the damn Hit flashes)

>>149534347 (OP)
What's the point of any of this though?

>>149540030
Trying to claim PPG managed magical girl is a stretch, that was more like a newspaper strip comic, but the punchline was overt ass-whooping. Like if the Mask was a superhero parody instead of a cartoon parody.

The closest thing you'll find to magical girl in the west is Barbie's animated stable.

>>149542000
There was this little number, but like >>149540030 says, the most identifying feature is having power-up transformations. On the other hand, I'm not sure what other notes a magical girl show is expected to hit.

>>149542000
Obviously Powerpuff Girls is more UPA inspired, and any relation to magical girl anime is coincidence at best, unless Craig says he has some bootleg fansubs of Minky Momo or something.
BUT it still carries with it the same spirit, and they knew they were inspired by anime and toku to some extent, there were blatant kaiju and mecha parodies in it, but I digress. It IS a magical girl show in spirit by virtue of capturing what a magical girl show is supposed to be

>>149542059
Magical girl series have changed throughout the years, being about literal witches to more or less being female flavored sentai teams. But if there's any throughline between them, its about defying the odds set against you and overcoming the overwhelming darkness of the world without losing yourself to it. In other words hope and optimism staying strong.
Which sometimes bleeds into other genres at times.

And while I can't say I've ever watched any of the Barbie animated movies, but I somehow I doubt they had any battles between good and evil in them.

>>149540544
Fag