Thread 149623349

anyone have tomorrows comic? Joyce just totally cucked dorothy and i dont wanna give that asshole my money.

>>149623349 (OP)
She was with Joe first thoughever

>>149623438
yeah i just think its funny that she sucked him off after making such a big deal about how dorothy is clearly her one true love forever.

dude wrote himself into a corner by basically declaring dotty/joyce is the endgame ship because of how he decided to handle this. dude isnt even middling anymore, he's just fuckin bad.

>>149623349 (OP)
DOA:LGD Edition

>>149623838
He threw a melty on Blue Sky the other day saying he's going to break up all the straight pairings or find a way to make them gay pairings because of the backlash.

>>149623949
not surprising given he's never been great with any kind of criticism of how he handles literally anything with so little nuance.

>>149623580
He gave her a very nice blanket and actually showed that he cares about her. Dorthy only cares about herself and their attraction towards each other is purely trauma based.

>>149623949
link?

>>149624222
https://bsky.app/profile/damnyouwillis.bsky.social/post/3luzq2niy5c2f
He threatens to make Mary gay and the lightbringer makes a cameo.

>>149623349 (OP)
There's a workable path to try here, but Willis would never go for it.
Specificlly Dorothy wouldn't go for it, even if all other parts were willing to try it.

>>149624092
Most accurate take here. Dorothy is into Joyce because she can micromanage, fix and control her and they have a shared trauma. Note how her trauma is entirely centered around her own feelings and has no concern for Joyce’s. Just her own failings.
She’s completely self serving and constantly meddles in Joyce’s life to an unhealthy degree. But the comic always frames her as correct or has everyone be fine with her actions. There are no consequences for any of the weird and bad shit she does like what other characters deal with.

Dorothy is a fucking awful x bland person who is held up as of she’s able to do no wrong.

Not that Willis cares. He’s smashing them together in a facade of being progressive when he just likes it so he can fantasize about lesbian versions of himself (Joyce is his self insert after all)

Can’t wait til he comes out as trans.

>>149624260
>He threatens to make Mary gay
Do it. The cognitive dissonance it would inflict on his readers would be delightful.

>>149624283
Polycules are a meme anon, they don't actually work.

>>149624301
>But the comic always frames her as correct or has everyone be fine with her actions.
Yeah Willis refuses to acknowledge Dorthy is flawed in that specific way, but he's clearly writing her that way subconsciously. Like his users noted that it was highly unethical for Dorthy to help Joyce prepare for sex because she had feelings for her. Even his gay readers were saying she was in the wrong for it and Willis kept insisting she didn't need to tell Joyce and how she's not wrong for being in the closet when that wasn't the point at all. He just wanted Joyce and Dorthy to lay in bed together but couldn't say "Yeah maybe Dorthy is in the wrong" because Dorthy is his waifu and now he's ready to push his new self insert into a relationship with her because he doesn't self insert with Danny or Walky anymore.

>>149624328
I didn't say it would work, I just said they could try it.
Storytelling is often about showing attempts that fail, or seemingly work, then fail.

>>149624344
>it was highly unethical for Dorthy to help Joyce prepare for sex because she had feelings for her
I'm going to defend Willis here. Unless you're specifically talking about the weird public masturbation thing, it's not unethical for Dorothy to help Joyce prepare to be sexually active. It is Dorothy intentionally inflicting emotional torment on herself and probably speaks to some kind of psychological transference to a worrying degree but in the specific context it doesn't meet the criteria of unethical.

>>149624260
>opens up the possibility of Mary/Carla, a ship he directly shutdown for being problematic
>directly shuts down Mary/Roz, the most obvious ship possible
Man, it must be tough to blatantly fetishize lesbians under a veneer of allyship but also be retarded as fuck when it comes to shipping them.

Okay so the important question - What's the best gay ship for Mary?
Assume her current strawman boyfriend spontaneously combusted or something

>>149624723
Nah I just disagree. Joyce didn't expect when she stripped in front of her or returned to the room naked wearing only a towel that Dorthy felt a sexual and emotional attraction towards her. It changes dynamics when someone has a crush like that. Dorthy might have chosen not to look, but she still let Joyce expose herself in front of her. Had she said no its questionable if Joyce would even question herself the way she is now.

>>149624738
Mary/Becky find love after Becky decides to end Joyce and Dorthy for their betrayal. Dina is free to just act like a dinosaur sperg again.

>>149624738
It really is Carla, but if not Carla, the best ship would be Ruth. It's toxic as fuck but that's why it works. They'd be terrible for each other.

As far as something approaching healthy, Marcie. She'd just top her every time Mary needs to shut the fuck up (which is often), and that'd work for the both of them.

>>149623349 (OP)
so does anyone have the next strip on patreon? ill reimburse u the 5 u gave this clown

>>149624846
I gave him money to get the volumes to storytime. I just have to do it one day. Some of the strips have direct commentary and I think that'd be fun.

>>149624829
It's either Carla or Roz with Lucy in third place. Ruth would be a rehash of Ruth/Billie.

>>149624900
Oh it'd be worse! Somebody would end up dead. Which is the point.

>>149624738
Uhh as much as I don't actually like her - Lucy is made for that.
They'll make shitty fan-fic manga, go to church together, and combined they might overcome some of their individual naiveties

>>149624960
>Lucy writes self-insert realfics that're just the events of her day except her girlfriend isn't a judgmental cunt
Heartbreaking.

>>149625100
Lucy's about as judgmental as Mary is??? I don't know where you're getting the anger from

>>149623949
Wait, even Willis' transbase has turned on him and would rather see Joyce with an alpha (and thus chud-coded) white man instead of a heckin' brave lesborino? Do they actually hate Dorothy?

>>149625241
No, the comments sections on the actual website are ravenous for Joyce/Dorothy

>>149624260
Are they finally realizing that Willis is just a pervert who thinks two girls making out is hot (i.e. the most normal thought he's ever had) and not actually some crusading ally?

>>149624310
I want my damn Mary/Roz catty hatefucking ship.

>>149624738
Roz, it can be nobody else. Only Roz.

>>149625249
I should have guessed that they were too deep into fetishistic lesbian worship to criticize Der Pantshitter and Willis got triggered by like three comments.

>>149625385
There was a bit more backlash on the DoA reddit. I pretty sure at this point most people who took issue with it have just been banned. Though a lot of people are happy about it.

>>149624738
Billy after she helps Mary get an abortion.

>>149623349 (OP)
>>149623580
if she takes her to the laundry room, can she win her back?

>>149624328
The can, but those that work don't make for interesting drama.

>>149623580
>sucked him off after making such a big deal about how dorothy is clearly her one true love forever
Willis’s drive to make every single character in his comic unlikable is pathological at this point.

>>149623838
Willis was always bad.

>>149624283
Willis really is intent to push every degenerate class in there, isn't he?

>>149624723
>>149624738

I want to see Mary turn Carla into her sex crazed bitch. We all know Carla wants it.

>>149625385
Willis not being able to handle criticism? I'M SHOCKED! SHOCKED!!!!!

Jeph Jacques had his "nobody in my comic is straight" meltdown years ago, Willis is pretty behind.

Fuck's sake /co/, stop unironically reading the awful webcomic. It's bad enough when you do it with capeshit

>>149626682
Can we keep ironically reading it? It's like a SoP that never ends.

>>149626682
what do you want us to read on /co/?

>>149626682
It's only worth reading when it's pants on hat restarted or the artist had another meltdown. Outside of that is a generic soap opera newspaper comic.
Currently I'm waiting for amazi-girl to get sniped.

>>149627137
>Amazi-Girl goes off to fight the entire contingent of Indiana state troopers
>forgets that a domino mask doesn't protect against clouds of tear gas
>with tears running, eyes swollen shut, and snot pouring down her face she tears into them
>pull back to reveal she's actually blindly punching a bag of trash while everyone looks on
>it gets uploaded to social media
>it goes viral

>>149627839
I don't want to click on his stupid comic, are they still fighting the police?

>>149627839
That would be funny which Willis isn’t, it would also require him to make Amazigirl flawed which he can’t do. Besides we all know a chubby college girl would always win against trained police officers every time duh it’s called realism.

Can any drawfriend draw Joyce dressed as a slut?

>>149628194
>Formerly sweet Christian girl goes to college and become a total skank.
Did Willis mean it to come out this way?

>>149628204
What Willis meant to say is that Christians are awful for not wanting their 18-23 year old women to slut out.

>>149628221
by DOA time, isn't this like two weeks in, Poor Joyce never had a chance, did she?

>>149628194
>By Sophomore year, Joyce is doing the 100 man challenge on OF

>>149628204
Has anyone in the comic pointed out that Joyce's mom's fear that college would turn her into some kind of left-wing atheist dick-sucking lesbian turned out to be completely merited? To Willis's credit, that does seem like the kind of thing he'd mention, at the very least in a "Ha ha, fuck you Joyce's mom (and by extension my own parents)" way.

>>149626535
>I want to see Carla turn Mary into her sex crazed bitch. We all know Mary wants it.

>>149625267
From the occasional patreon rips it seems Willis isn't that much of a yurifag, most of the R34 he draws is either straight or just girls masturbating, lesbians are occasional and you can tell someone got a gun to his head when he draws gay stuff.

He definitely thinks it's hot but not to the point he'd burn his comic to the ground over it, it's just incompetence.

Or maybe he wrote the current arc last year and it went way harder with someone getting shot or the Israeli counter protest getting bombed but as the actual conflict turned radioactive he didn't feel like he could pull it off and promoted the lesbian romance to the A plot instead of a thing he'd have done over a month while we'd read about Amazi-girl breaking into Guantanamo to break the muslim students out.

>>149628445
>Has anyone in the comic pointed out that Joyce's mom's fear that college would turn her into some kind of left-wing atheist dick-sucking lesbian turned out to be completely merited?
It is not merited in the sense that this is not something to be feared in the first place.

>>149625241
A lot of people likes the ex-christian x redeemed manwhore romance. It was cute and more down to earth compare to Willis' usual writing.
But Willis and his most annoying fans prefer to fetishize toxic lesbians and use current world issues as a dramatic background event to spice things up.
It's like creating a slash fic about hungry-children-in-Africa.

>>149628408
They are already at the end of January. The comic started at the end of Augustus of the previous year.

>>149628557
so 6 months?

>>149628454
We all know Mary will be the stern dominatrix. Carla's a tranny. She's been enslaved by her fetishes long ago.

>>149628769
So more than two weeks.

>>149628454
>love the little speech bubble

>>149628796
six months before going full tramp still isn't something to be proud of. That Christian brainwashing doesn't seem to be that strong.

>>149628819
It's not something to be ashamed of either.

>>149628503
but it did happen to Joyce

>>149628832
yes it is.

>>149624328
I think they CAN, but ironically limit one's options MORE, not less, since all parties need to be attracted to each other AND be a specific rare type of person when it comes to jealousy. So the pool of viable candidates is way smaller than if you're just looking for one SO.

>>149628839
But it's not something to be feared about.

>>149628864
Be gone, pesky christian!

>>149628950
stop sucking random dicks, anon. Its not good for you.

>>149628978
I prefer to put my own dick in pussies anyway.

>>149629060
not fooling anyone anon

>>149628785
Mary yearns to be a tradwife sub, and Carla would be hesitant to pull her dick out, but eager to assert dominance.

>>149628445
>>149628950
Joyce has the RIGHT to be as godless and skanky as she wants, god willing, but it does seem at odds with her genuine personality. We've repeatedly seen that even outside of the "christian dogma" angle Joyce is just genuinely kind of shy and traditional in her tastes. She CAN swear, and drink, and dress however she wants, but she still seems most comfortable not doing that. Which makes her relationships, especially with Dorothy, read less like a formerly repressed girl finally getting to do what/who she wants, and more like a naive girl being peer pressured into things she isn't comfortable with.

Part of why JoyceXJoe is/was good is because Joe has experience on both sides of that peer pressure, has realized that being a "cool guy" who gets all the chicks doesn't really make him happy, and is going out of his way to not inflict that on Joyce by slowing down and going at her pace. Meanwhile Dorothy may as well be going "Come on Joyce, all the cool kids are doing it!"

>>149629129
Carla puts on that front too much for it to be genuine. Deep down, she CRAVES the discipline.

>>149629246
It's not so much that she is a skank rather that she has been in love with Dorothy for a while but was in denial of it and isn't handling the realisation very well.

>>149629246
>and more like a naive girl being peer pressured into things she isn't comfortable with.
I do not read that part because Both Joyce and Dorothy actively tried to not succumb to their feelings.

Nobody tired to push those two together. There was objectively more effort by the group to maintain together Billie and Ruth.

>>149629311
didn't she just suck Joe's dick right after? I'm getting these mixed up.

>>149629246
I wasn't even making a value judgment, just that Joyce's mom's paranoid evangelical prediction about how college would affect her was pretty much on-the-money.

>>149626682
I genuinely love this comic thoughever. This and BCB. Trainwrecks that never end

>>149629353
Just 10or 20 minute ago, Joyce kissed Dorothy, realising she had been in love with her the whole time and vice/versa.

Now she was going to try and break up with Joe, but she did a reverse-spaghetti-losing and ended up sucking his dick instead.

>>149629400
what a whore

>>149629384
It's like a parent being afraid their kid will stop hating black people if theygo to college. They might be right on the money with that, but that doesn't mean this is something they should reveal.

>>149629422
See what happens when you turn your back on the Lord? She'll be blowing truckers in bathroom stalls by next week.

>>149629433
no its not like that.
one is not being racist
the other is turning into a whorish spaz.

>>149629461
>the other is turning into a whorish spaz.
There is a a gap between being everyone's bicycles and simply kissing the person you realise you have been in love while still being in a relationship. It's bad, but it's not "sleeping with everyone else behind the back of your boyfriend" bad.

Also, there is a gap between being a whore and sucking the dick of your actual boyfriend.

>>149629461
There is nothing wrong with enjoying sex, anon.

>>149628942
>since all parties need to be attracted to each other
No they don't.
Joyce and Dorothy could just be girlfriends who each have a boyfriend without any crossover happening.
You could argue it would be more stable if they were in a full on 4way, but really they just need to be civil.
>be a specific rare type of person when it comes to jealousy
This would be the actual issue, you probably need a better than average amount of self-assurance to be comfortable with situations like this and a high degree of communication.

>>149629656
>Joyce and Dorothy could just be girlfriends who each have a boyfriend without any crossover happening.
That's not a polycule, that's just three very open relationships daisy-chained together. Which strikes me as less stable, since the lack of overlap makes it more of a direct rivalry, and thus seems like it'd stoke jealousy higher.

>>149629246
I think more to the point is that these kinds of behavioral shifts take time and rarely to such extremes. I'm friends with a woman who was straight up like Joyce in college, super-Christian, very sheltered, and naive, and despite our friends group containing party girls, gay dudes, hardcore atheists, and neopagans her behavioral shifts from being exposed to a wider and more worldly array of viewpoints were much smaller and took far more time than the 17 week timespan of DoA. I think that's why people are turned off by the current developments, it breaks suspension of disbelief because a lot of people have experience firsthand with how college students develop once they're in the environment. I also think that the people supporting it know that, which is why you keep seeing defense of it like >>149629311 that rely entirely on retconning that Joyce has always been a lesbian in love with Dorothy despite the text not supporting it - and given that Joyce just gave her bf a blowjob as a thank you for a gift when she originally went to tell her bf that she's actually always been a lesbian in love with her friend, still isn't supported by the text. To paraphrase R. K. Milholland, for a lesbian she sure sucks a whole mess o' dicks.

>>149629810
Open relationship means you don't mind your partner getting some rando from time to time.

"I am only with this one and no one else", or "you only are with me and this other one and no one else" isn't exactly that.

>>149629810
Nah.

>>149629936
>and took far more time than the 17 week timespan of DoA
It has actually been 6 month, anon.

>>149629936
>hat rely entirely on retconning that Joyce has always been a lesbian in love with Dorothy despite the text not supporting it

>>149629936
I don't think Joyce is claiming to be a lesbian.

>>149629994
Using the real world IU's actual academic calendar there have been 18 weeks of school since the comic started, with 24 days of winter break that Joyce spent with her family off-campus. We're on day 16 of the current semester. Grand total of time passed since the comic started is 5 months.

>>149630065
Talking about the commentators, not the comic itself.

>>149629344
Noone tried to push Joyce and Dorothy together, but Dorothy got Joyce to be more sexual, more adventurous, and more like her, including in ways that strike me as pushy and manipulative. Dorothy put herself in the position of non-judgemental-confidant, but she IS judgemental, and had a crush. The conflicts of interest there make Dorothy look really bad.

>>149629936
I wouldn't mind the rapidity of the shift IF Joyce was written as someone who's really enjoying cutting loose now that she has the opportunity. But the fact that she's consistently shown feeling uncomfortable and having to be "talked into" things by Dorothy or others, gives it a creepy feel.

>>149630190
The word gets thrown around a lot, but Dorothy can be argued to have consistently engaged in grooming behaviors with Joyce. Abusive is probably going too far, but Dorothy is straight up manipulative for her own benefit regarding Joyce.

>>149629512
>>149629524
Joyce is ruined. She in on her way to banging the whole football team.

open relationships are bullshit. what they really are is someone fucking around while someone else is getting cucked.

>>149630161
The comic started on August 29 and is currently on January 27.
https://walkypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dumbing_of_Age_Timeline
>each chapter represent[...] one full day of on-campus life.

>The assumption that Book 11 starts in early January, specifically the second week of January, is based upon real-life IU's history of starting its spring semester in the second week of January. The specific date of January 9 is based on the previously established dates of the fall semester and the reasoning that if those are correct, then the second Sunday of the following January would be on the 9th, because ... well, that's how dates work

>>149630298
>The word gets thrown around a lot, but Dorothy can be argued to have consistently engaged in grooming behaviors with Joyce.
Grooming require manipulation and inducing a certain amount of guilt toward the person you are grooming when they show reluctance toward intimacy proposal.

Proposing to be promiscuitious in a no-thread-attached way with zero negative conditioning if the person is hesitant and the person is simply agreeing to it does not fall into grooming.

>>149630190
Reminder that Dorthy attempted to convince Walky to break up with Lucy eventually got her way and instantly lost interest in him and his pursuing Joyce.

>>149626227
>Remember what we had Joyce. Remember the humiliation ritual.

>>149626463
Authors can't help but to put a little bit of themselves into their work, even if subconsciously.

>>149630650
>>149630161
August 29 to January 27 actually make 5 months, not 6. My bad.

That being said, 5 months don't constitute 17 weeks but 21 weeks.

>>149630728
>and instantly lost interest in him
She didn't. No more than Joyce lost interest in Joe.

It's possible to have conflicting feelings, but the responsible thing it to make a choice.

>>149627137
>Outside of that is a generic soap opera newspaper comic.
Speaking of, gathering Funky comics is monotonous but I've committed myself to doing this at this point.

>>149628454
Sorry but Carla is just way too awful for me to ever want to see it.

>>149630835
that's why we need Carla to be disciplined.
She'll be Mary obedient sex slave and love it.

>>149630760
no matter how you math it, it's just too short a time for all this shit to have happened. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near a college if I thought this was an a honest depiction.

>>149630928
>it's just too short a time for all this shit to have happened.
What has happened is that after 5 month and her mother breaking her trust by bailing out the man who ended up kidnapping her, she has finally get to actually be intimate with her boyfriend for the first time.

It's not too short.

>>149631002
a lot more than that happened in this comic

>>149631002
>he's actually defending Willis' writing

>>149631055
Yeah, but it still remains that she didn't start being intimate with someone else before very recently.

>>149631069
Just stating the facts, anon.

>>149629524
No, but there's also nothing wrong with considering it an intimate thing, and want to save it for someone you care about deeply. I don't think anyone in this comic or in real life is a bad person for having sex or experimenting, but the idea that people shouldn't be forced to engage in sexuality on other people's terms goes both ways. Pushing someone to engage in romance or sexuality faster than they want to or in ways that make them uncomfortable is creepy and wrong, and that's how it comes across with Joyce. Again, she's not shown or written as being like
>"Oh boy, without the fear that god will strike me down for it I can have fun with boys and girls and whoever!",
she's always uncomfortable and hesitant until Dorothy or whoever "talks her into it". And the way Joyce got introduced to sex stuff was borderline SA in some instances.

>>149631113
>No, but there's also nothing wrong with considering it an intimate thing, and want to save it for someone you care about deeply.
Like her boyfriend?

>>149631099
I wasn't just referring to the intimate part, I was referring to all the crazy shit that happened to the college in just 5 months

>>149631165
That's every daily soap comics for you, anon.

>>149631156
I explicitly said that I liked JoyceXJoe, anon: >>149629246

I like it because they want the same thing but are coming at it from different angles; Joyce was raised super fundie, and thus is figuring out that love involves more than just marrying someone acceptable to her parents/church. Joe was raised as kind of a dudebro alpha and thus is realizing that tons of casual sex and flings don't really make him happy. They're meeting in the middle in a very sweet way: Joyce learning that lust, attraction, and sexuality are all part of love, not opposed to it, and Joe learning to take things slower and accept the emotional intimacy and vulnerability of a relationship.

My point is that Joe's respect for Joyce's boundaries and preferences stands in stark contrast to the way that her female friends, especially Dorothy, push her along.

>>149631330
>I explicitly said that I liked JoyceXJoe
And the argument is about how Joyce is now a skank for having sucked her boyfriend's dick.

>>149631330
Thing is, Dorothy has always respected Joyce's boundaries too.

She has proposed, but never pushed anything Joyce didn't want or was reluctant to.

>>149631219
yep, DOA is on the standard of that shit.

>>149630710
NTA, but Dorothy did make herself Joyce's friend and confidant, which creates a certain amount of inherent pressure when Joyce shows reluctance. I hesitate to call it grooming, since they're peers, but "Come on, don't be a fundie"/"All the cool kids are doing it" are stock examples of manipulation.

Maybe my standards are high, but I think a good friend should back off when their friend seems uncomfortable or hesitant, not go all "come on, just try it."

>>149631381
That's not MY argument. MY argument is that Joyce being sexual comes across as sad, not liberating, because of the way she reacts with discomfort whenever the topic is raised. It feels like something she's being peer-pressured into, rather than embracing out of her own volition and curiosity.

>>149631409
Has she? I seem to remember her teaching Joyce to masturbate without asking or being asked, repeatedly asking Joyce who she's interested in and trying to set her up with someone, and encouraging Joyce to be more risque in her wardrobe while Joyce blushed and went "I don't know...". Joyce often expresses doubt or hesitation, only for Dorothy to coax her along.

Which again, wouldn't be an issue if Joyce enjoyed the results of that coaxing, but she doesn't seem to. And it wouldn't reflect TOO badly on Dorothy if she didn't have ulterior motives, but she does.

>>149631827
>Dorothy did make herself Joyce's friend and confidant
Kinda the other way around, it's Joyce who decided to start latching on Dorothy, precisely right after she learned she was an atheist.

>but "Come on, don't be a fundie"/"All the cool kids are doing it" are stock examples of manipulation.
Thing is, Dorothy never did that. The main reason Joyce turned atheist was the action of her own mother when she bailed out Becky's dad right after he had brought a shotgun to campus.

First time of Joyce having issues with Walky being with Dorothy, and panicking at the idea that they might have had sex, April 12 2012

September 6 in-universe, according to the timeline.

You know, I am starting to think that it's Joyce who groomed Dorothy.

>>149632190
To me this strip reads more as Joyce being a prude.

>>149632242
I mean it's a valid interpretation,with what we knew at that point. Especially to explain her final reaction.

But what is interesting is the first part where the very idea of Walky dating Dorothy is inconceivable (and Joyce isn't against the idea of dating, as she was looking for a date herself).

>>149632040
I don't have an issue with Joyce becoming an atheist though I do think it'd be in-character for her to rediscover religion at some point, either with a less fundie church or by going agnostic/personal with her relationship with god, and back then I didn't have an issue with Dorothy.

It's specifically the fact that Dorothy and Joyce both developed crushes, Dorothy realized it first but didn't broach the topic openly, and Dorothy's insistence on being the "mature" one who would personally and directly teach Joyce about not only science and variants in theology, but also sex, romance, and dating, that makes it come off as creepy. If Dorothy didn't have a crush on Joyce or didn't let it develop into feelings, it wouldn't be weird. If she had come out and said "I think we're getting a crush on each other, is that ok?" at some earlier point, it wouldn't be weird. If Dorothy just gave Joyce a sex education book or whatever and left her to it, it wouldn't be weird.

It's the fact that Dorothy developed ulterior motives to "helping" Joyce, and rather than acknowledge them openly and/or make enough distance to maintain appropriate boundaries, she chose to keep being weirdly intimate "girl pals" until Joyce came around to the idea. Becky going "please, you love me, don't you??" was bad, but it's to her credit that she admitted what she wanted, accepted Joyce's answer, apologized, and backed off, rather than trying to wait it out while cozying up to Joyce.

>>149632286
Not just dating. They spend the night together.

>>149632286
Again, Joyce at that point isn't against dating and kissing.

>>149632334
>I don't have an issue with Joyce becoming an atheist
That wasn't my point. My point is that you are arguing Dorothy was manipulating Joyce to become, among other things, atheist and I was pointing out that Dorothy has always respected Joyce's faith and has never been the cause of Joyce dropping religion.

>It's specifically the fact that Dorothy and Joyce both developed crushes, Dorothy realized it first but didn't broach the topic openly
It basically happened within the same day.

>>149631591
DoA is funny because it feels like it was in part born from the fact that Willis was a fan of/buddies with Comics Curmudgeon (and probably read newspaper comic stirps himself) and subsequently got it into his head that he could do their shit better than they could. But all he did was fall into all the same pitfalls as Funky, Mary Worth, Foob but filtered through annoying Xennial internet arrogance and snark.

>>149632516
I'm still shocked he makes money from this. Really starting to think I should try it. Seems simple. Don't need to draw well, write well. Just ramble some shitty plot along. What's the catch? I guess you gotta keep making your characters gay and pretentious.

>>149632334
>>149632450
>It basically happened within the same day.
This is the point where Dorothy stop being in denial that she has a crush on Joyce and, on the same day, Joyce has the same realisation. Before that point Dorothy was trying to answer Joyce's question as she was talking about having sex for the first time with Joe. And Dorothy was answering in earnest and at no point tried to sabotage or dissuade her to have sex with Joe. Nor was she trying to push her for it.

Also, notice that this is actually Joyce initiating the move there, not Dorothy. Thus actually further my point that it was Joyce who actually groomed Dorothy.

>>149632588
You wouldn't make money. He and Jacques make money because they were among the first and have been around for a long time. They already had large fanbases to leverage into Patreon cash. It's like how if you make more than $100 per month on OnlyFans you're in the top 10% of earners, there's no money for 99% of the people because they lack the means to get their stuff out there.

>>149632618
Should have included the strip right before.

>>149632450
You're misinterpreting my argument. Like I said, Dorothy coaxing Joyce along and introducing her to things would be fine, IF she didn't have ulterior motives. It's the fact that after a certain point she does, and got super close and overly intimate while maintaining that "we're just gal pals". That's the creepy/manipulative part, and it puts all the OTHER interactions Dorothy had with Joyce in a bad light. If Dorothy HADN'T done that, had maintained appropriate boundaries and/or acknowledged that she had a crush on Joyce and told her, then at worst she'd come across as a pushy but well meaning friend to Joyce.

>>149632653
Additionally Dorothy is the one who break that moment. She is the one who try to make so nothing happen between them.

The whole time, Joyce has been theo ne driving the wheel. >>149632233

So no, I don't think it's accurate at all to consider that Dorothy has been grooming Joyce. Or even manipulated her into anything.

>>149632703
>IF she didn't have ulterior motives
Dorothy never had ulterior motive is my point see >>149632618
>>149632653
>>149632730

>>149632450
>boohoo, the girl I have barely know for a few days can not be my best friend because she is now dating some other dude.
Power of insight and all, but if Joyce wasn't thirsting hard from the beginning for Dorothy, it sure looked like it.

>>149632516
He did absolutely fume at that old boomer Lynn Johnston.

>>149632986
Friendship isn't gay. Joyce made a friend and is now worried she'll lose her. That's normal, not gay. It was twisted into being gay after the fact because people like Willis think friendship is gay angst.

>>149633079
>Friendship isn't gay. Joyce made a friend and is now worried she'll lose her. That's normal, not gay.
It was a valid interpretation, but it is not twisted into it being gay. It's just as valid of an interpretation.

And thinking you are losing your friend the moment they start dating someone is a bit extreme, IMO.

>because people like Willis think friendship is gay angst.
Joe and Danny are best friend and not dating
Sal and Marcie are best friend and not dating.

>>149633171
>>149633079
The irony is you know for a fact he watched horse show and didn’t learn about friendship.

Jesus...

>>149633077
He fumed about both her and Batiuk. In fact, he'll still bring up Funky randomly on his xitter (maybe bluesky too?). That parody is funny though in that it's actually showcased on the official Foob site under a section for parodies which means Lynn, seemingly, thought it was pretty funny herself and knowing Willis I'd bet anything that makes him seethe because he's the type of person who makes parodies with the hope of making the target upset.

>>149633344
>and knowing Willis I'd bet anything that makes him seethe because he's the type of person who makes parodies with the hope of making the target upset.
Pretty sure he loved it.

>>149623838
>dude isnt even middling anymore
He was never middling, Willis always sucked to the point it's comical.

>>149623349 (OP)
i would say kemonoparty but that shit hasnt been updated in a year

>>149623349 (OP)
>no new comic
I find it very hard to believe that NONE of you fuckers subscribe to the Patreon

>>149633779
Why would anyone here willingly pay for this shit?

>>149624260
>He threatens to make Mary gay
We're finally gonna get the Carla/Mary hatefuck we've been waiting for.

>>149628194
>hey Joyce I got you a thing because I thought about your wants and needs
>cheating screwed up my family btw
Joyce wtf you doing

>>149634634
Has Willis even drawn porn of the tranny? I feel like he wouldn't dare because whether he draws Carla pre or post op, with a big or a small cock he's bound to offend some of his audience for being problematic in one way or another.

>>149624738
>What's the best gay ship for Mary?
It's Dina. They can roleplay as a girl and her biblically accurate dinosaur in the antediluvian age.

>>149634895
Define porn. There's this Shortpacked strip but no one gets naked on panel and he avoids showing the character nude. Does this count as porn? There's cum and sex.

>>149635074
Willis has done pornographic DoA comics available for patrons.

>>149635154
I know, but that anon asked if there was any for Carla. This is as close as it gets.

>>149624960
Mary's a weeb, Lucy's a comics and cartoons enjoyer. They'd argue about East vs West all the time.

>>149635074
>Define porn
Fully nude, at least. Twisted screaming faces of pain and
>EAAAAAAARGH
optional.

>>149625241
>white man
Joe is Jewish. But he's also the only chad in the comic, which makes him the best character.

>>149635074
You can't read this and also drop full-page discussion of the exact degree of respect/consent involved between two comic lesbians. The whiplash is too much.

>>149624723
>>149625267
>>149625284
Mary and Roz haven't really interacted that much. Pic related from last year is the last time they shared a panel and they haven't actually talked to each other since 2016. Mary spends most of her energy fighting with Carla and Ruth.

>>149635378
Would it be helpful if I pointed out that the only reason Ultra Car got a female body is because he was interested in Malaya, who is a strict lesbian, so that meant Ultra Car had to be a girl too. Also I think its kind of funny that Ultra Car and Dina were both asexual characters who learned to love sex solely because it turned on their girlfriends.

>>149634925
Mary works because despite being an insane Christcuck she's essentially the one normal (by DoA standards) person in a world of utter luatics.

>>149635476
Right but the slutty sex positive ultra lefty chick and the puritanical god fearing ultra-right chick who are both among the judgmental characters in the entire comic and are also roommates is a natural pairing.

Was it ever revealed who lives in the single dorm down the hall? I thought it'd be Ethan but Ethan is still rooming with Jacob. Its been half a decade.

>>149635917
That's where the chill, pleasant people who aren't totally fucked in the head and therefore have no place in a Willis comic live.

>>149635163
Nope, and your example isn't Carla, it's UltraCar. Also, small cock but she acts like it's bitchbreaker.

>>149626869
/co/ is for the journey of realizing that manga and anime are better. And then leaving 4chan for somewhere else because fuck /a/

>>149635678
>the only reason Ultra Car got a female body is because he was interested in Malaya, who is a strict lesbian
Malaya wasn't a lesbian in Shortpack. She fucked guys, kissed Leslie but wasn't into it, and then started coming on to Ultra-Car. She just has a robot fetish.

If Dorothy turns out to be a major antagonist again, as she always was in the old 'verse, everything would make sense

>>149636483
>Dorothy destroys Joyce's relationship with Joe
>loudly outs her as an athiest lesbian
>isolates her from her peer group
>ghosts her for the Ivy League
>when finally confronted is completely dismissive, claiming Joyce should be thanking her
Given Dorothy's personality you could pull it off.

>>149636275
I unironically think Malaya is one of Willis' hottest girls. Even with her rotten personality. Hell, maybe because of her rotten personality because of the thought of correcting her and her turning into a submissive little puddle of mush under her abrasive ultra-cunt exterior.

Also a dumb thing I drew in like 10 minutes.

>>149637088
I think half of the problem with Amazi-Girl is that Amber is consistently shown to be a lazy shut-in when left to her own devices.

>>149637162
I do like the idea of a couch potato just blacking out and doing a full body exercise regimen and her only taking the brunt of the aftermath. Maybe she's not lazy. Maybe she's sore from exercise she doesn't remember doing.

>>149637088
The actuality of the arm of Amber

>>149632746
>Dorothy openly admitting that if she has a crush on Joyce it means they're getting inappropriately intimate
>Telling Joyce (and herself) that "No, no, we're just confused!" despite clearly knowing better
>Once Joe arrives, Joyce immediately gets all lovey-dovey with him, while Dorothy watches like a weirdo
I don't think the comics you're posting support the argument you're making. Dorothy herself clearly knows she's inappropriately taking advantage of her friendship with Joyce, she's just in denial about it.

>>149634925
Despite Dina larping as a dinosaur, Mary is still the biggest chuuni in that comic. And that's why she's the best.

>>149637187
>Amber keeps waking up sore and bruised
>turns out she goes into dissociative episodes and wanders off campus to do intense workouts and sparring at a MMA gym
>she's also unknowingly hooking up with a dude in his 40s going through a midlife crisis

>>149624723
Mary will only date straight men and cis women. She's fine with trans-men it's just that trans women give her the ick.

>>149636183
The tier list is:
>Eurocomics
>manga/anime
>picture books
>Americomics

>>149637300
Mary 100% has watched Hellsing in secret and fantasized about also being a demon hunting agent of the church.

>>149637400
Transmen are women which means it's homosexuality, transwomen are men which means it's alright with the Lord.

>>149637502
Bruh, Mary has created her own self-insert evangelical faction and agents along with a complete rewrite of the series plus a spinoff/sequel exclusively starring her OCs.

>>149624960
Lol, I was actually thinking of this too. But Lucy will have to break up with the Diglett-headed guy first.

>>149637137
Yoyo is that you

>>149637862
Yeah howdy. Haven't been drawing DOA much lately though every now and then I get the bug.

>>149623349 (OP)
I shipped them as a joke like 10 years ago but I can't see Dorothy x Joyce as a real couple. Yeah Joyce has been obsessed with her forever but until recently Dorothy has never shown any attraction to Joyce, she mostly just treated her like a child. >>149624301 is right in that the reason they seem compatible is just because Joyce likes being told what to do and Dorothy likes telling people what to do. They reinforce each other's negative traits. Their respective boyfriends are much better for them since Joe can help Joyce break out of her fundie shell while also encouraging her to assert herself and follow her interests, whereas Walky is a fixer-upper Dorothy can put her energy into but he can still tell her no and get her to relax and loosen up.

>>149638033
Poor Becky had to watch as another woman stuffed her childhood friend and secret crush full of fish.

>>149638033
It does kinda raise the question of what exactly Dorothy will see in Joyce once she's no longer Dorothy's "project."

>>149638021
Yoto, I give you the impossible challenge, make Booster appealing.

>>149635847
I agree, it's just a big missed opportunity. I feel the original intent was for Mary and Roz to be a "opposite sides of the same coin" situation but then Willis became more woke and decided he didn't want Roz to be a bad guy for being too liberal while also choosing to make Mary more antagonistic than she was before.

>>149632730
>>149632653
>>149632618
I haven't kept up, this feels REALLY forced. Like what's the angle, here? How pissed is Becky over this?

>>149634634
Hell yeah

>>149624260
LOL Linkara is in there giving his support. Fag.

>>149636893
>I unironically think Malaya is one of Willis' hottest girls
She doesn't win points for her personality, that's for sure.

>>149638033
>until recently Dorothy has never shown any attraction to Joyce
And Joyce was vehemently notalesbian just a couple months ago comic-time, but here we are.

>>149638348
Wasn't Carla expressly friendless until Lucy?

>>149630728
This is where their relationship should've ended. Walky is too good for Dorothy.

>>149638348
Whoever drew this stole that joke from Vivziepop, who stole it from a Midwest Emo band called The Flat Stanleys.

I'm not judging either, I steal a shit ton of jokes myself.

Joebros, we have been trying to change our ways, but that SUCCUBUS Dorothy went and SEDUCED our girlfriend right from under us.

>>149638804
GOD DAMN SUCCUBUS

>>149638609
Pretty sure this is older than Viziepop's rise to fame. Not that it's a particularly original joke regardless

>>149639012
>Pretty sure this is older than Viziepop's rise to fame.
No I mean she flat-out lifted that shit from Me vs Your Friends

>You say you're friends?
>Well what's a friend without a secret you'll pretend doesn't matter?
>And I have friends, oh I have friends and they all matter
>And they all care about me
>She don't know what that's like

>>149638420
I feel legitimately bad for Becky. I don't even like her that much as a character, she's kind of one-note, but she just cannot catch a single break. I feel like next arc is going to reveal Dina got hit in the temple by a stray rubber bullet during the protest and now she has head trauma, forgot who Becky is, and is asexual again. Also she can only speak in dino roars now.

>>149639645
I can't imagine having a crush on my best friend, making a movie, being told "I'm not gay" and then a few months later said best friend that he's slowly been replacing me with is now his boyfriend. I would probably just end myself.

>>149639687
I don't think I would end myself, but given that Becky's ALSO already been disowned by her family and community, I do think that if I were in her shoes I would latch on to Dina HARD. Like, "hey is it cool if I come over to your place for the holidays?" hard.

Hence my prediction that the next person the demiurge will take from Becky will be Dina. Becky's suffering shall be legendary even in Indiana State.

>>149635166
Yes, you will get strips where Lucy takes Mary out on a date to watch a Marvel movie and Mary spends the whole movie groaning about it being "capeshit slop" and rolls her eyes at the "woke" scenes even though she's dating a black girl, and says they should be watching Demon Slayer instead.

>>149639747
>Dorothy steals Joyce from Joe
>Dina leaves Becky for Joe
>turning to the one person with just as much fucked up shit in their personal life as her, Becky hooks up with Amber
>she also creates a superhero persona, SuperBecky

Terrible.

>>149640076
>she also creates a superhero persona, SuperBecky
>Not something quirky and gay like "Lieutenant lesbian".

>>149640076
>>149640124
>Becky becomes a supervillain so she can be Amazi-Girl's Catwoman
>Commits a crime and waits for Amazi-Girl to catch her, then tries to engage in playful, flirty banter
>Amazi-Girl just suplexes her and puts Becky in a neck brace

>>149640227
That's my personal fetish but with guys and not gross girls.

>>149624738
I'm surprised Mary and Malaya haven't fought more. It looked like Willis was setting up a suplot of Mary being jealous of Malaya's art skills but that hasn't gone anywhere, and they've only interacted once since pic related. I guess Malaya is just too apathetic to have a real rivalry with anyone.Hell, since Malaya is non-binary now that could be another reason for conflict, this time Mary fights the other kind of tranny

>>149624829
>>149624900
Ruth/Mary could work if Billie was out of the picture. Mary appoints herself as Ruth's second in command and works hard snuffing out all student infractions and reporting them to her (even though Ruth still hates Mary and doesn't give a shit half the time). But Ruth would have to be a real antagonist and not a drunken sadsack.

>>149640344
They had this moment in a Patreon strip. I included the artist commentary.

>>149632986
I miss the old art.

>>149640465
Also sharing this strip.

>>149629512
She - at present - has cheated on 2 people in the same day. That's very much describes whorish behavior. She is hurting people (that she cares about!) for lust

>>149632588
The only admirable trait of Willis is that he actually treats his job like a job - he puts a comic up every day and has done so for years. And he's got a buffer of comics set up for months (which does mean he tends to be woefully out of tune whenever he tries to take "current event" and put it into the comic, but that's another conversation).
You gotta understand - for a lot of people the fact that they have a story to read every day is more important then the quality of the story itself

>>149638420
I think that's less 'she's not into Girls', more a specific 'she's not into Becky.' Which sorta makes sense, Joyce kinda saw Becky as a Sister-figure. Joyce probably got something of an incest squick.

>>149623949
>>149624222
>>149624260
Are you all a bunch of 18 year old?

Do you not understand what irony is, or are you playing a bit and it's me who haven't caught on?

>>149640890
A little bit from column a and a little bit from column b.

>>149637256
>>Dorothy openly admitting that if she has a crush on Joyce it means they're getting inappropriately intimate
Do you have reading comprehension issue?
The day Dorothy realise she has feeling for Joyce IS THE SAME DAY Joyce realise it.
JOYCE is the one who initiate each intimate moves and Dorothy is the one who BREAK THEM. Furthermore, she was OUTRIGHT saying to Joyce that JOE WOULD BE GOOD FOR HER.

Where do you see Dorothy taking advantage of Joyce there?

>>149637256
>>Telling Joyce (and herself) that "No, no, we're just confused!" despite clearly knowing better
She is not saying they are confused, she is saying that it is wrong. Where are you getting that from?

>>149640577
>has cheated on 2 people in the same day
Not according to Dorothy >>149640114

>That's very much describes whorish behavior
Actually, that's typical of someone who is cheating with someone else.

trying to push hard the "she is cheating on Dorothy by being intimate with her current boyfriend" paradigm, but you know this not how cheating is usually defined.

>>149640890
>all a bunch of 18 year old
Bruh

>>149640981
If you cheat on someone else in an otherwise healthy relationship, you’re engaging in whorish behavior
Sorry you’ve cheated before and are trying to justify how you’re still a good person

>>149640981
>Actually, that's typical of someone who is cheating with someone else.
So .... you agree that she's displaying whorish behavior. What are you arguing about

>>149641004
>>149640997
>If you cheat on someone else in an otherwise healthy relationship, you’re engaging in whorish behavior
Read the initial post that was in reply of the previous one>>149629512
>There is a a gap between being everyone's bicycles and simply kissing the person you realise you have been in love while still being in a relationship. It's bad, but it's not "sleeping with everyone else behind the back of your boyfriend" bad.
>It's bad, but it's not "sleeping with everyone else behind the back of your boyfriend" bad.
If you are agreeing with that, then what were you (or an other anon) trying to say there >>149640577
?

And stop having goldfish memory, please

>>149640993
Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

>>149640981
Did Joyce know that Dorothy would be okay with it before she did it? No.
What Joyce did was establish that she was going to go break up with Joe to Dorothy i.e. setting up what the relationship and the interaction was going to be - and then and then had sex with another person without her partner at the time knowing about it until after the fact.
That's cheating anon. There's no argument here. You can't twist the definition. And sure, dorothy might be fine with it now when she's got her head caught up in just fixing the entire situation, but after the fact when she calms down and thinks about it? The take away she's going to have is "Joyce will have sex with other people before she makes sure its okay with me" - and that's fucked up!

>>149641030
>Did Joyce know that Dorothy would be okay with it before she did it? No.
Missing the point. It's her regular boyfriend, and Dorothy is the "other girl". Unless the "other girl" is unaware the person they are with are already in an other relationship, it's never the "other girl" who is being cheated with when the person is with their regular partner.

Being with your regular partner is not cheating with the "other one" until you have broken with the regular one.

It's a pretty standard convention and you pretending it doesn't exist clearly showcase your bad faith.

>>149641050
Ah, so Dorothy is literally Joyce's "side hoe"

>>149641096
That's what cheating is, anon.

>>149641050
That's not a thing. The concept of an "other girl" isn't a thing - there's two separate relationships, and at the moment they are both currently on. There's no special status to the first one aside from them being the one hurt first - Joyce has in a very short time cheated on both of them.

God just fucking read Scott Pilgrim already - everyone has been through this already. it's slightly different because Ramaona didn't know about the first relationship at all, but not that much because in both this and the other Ramona/Dorothy didn't know about the sex happening i.e. the cheating. This isn't a novel situation, scott/joyce are being bad people.

>>149641133
>the chart
>Double dubs of truth
>media with a similar theme
Fuckin GOT their ass

>>149641133
>That's not a thing. The concept of an "other girl" isn't a thing
It absolutely is.

They weren't together about 30 minutes ago and haven't even set actual ground rule of how they were going to make it works.

Meanwhile, until they have broken up, Joe and Joyce are still together.

>it's slightly different because Ramaona didn't know about the first relationship
This is precisely why this make the Ramona situation cheating and the Dorthy one not.

Dorothy not only know that Joyce and Joe are together, she also know it was one Joyce was deeply into. the comparison simply doesn't work.

>>149641192
Not really.

>>149638360
That would honestly be a pretty funny joke without the last panel.

please understand, the person who has been saying the insane things in this and the last thread is most likely a LGBT person, and the standards and ideas of how relationships work are completely different between those heavily within those cultures and the rest of everyone.
Having a body count of over 40 is normal to these kinds of people, and not a sign of deep-set behavioral and personal problems, for example.
Gay men - meaning those who are involved in "gay culture" have broken from the concept of relationships, and view crazy behavior with normalcy.

>it's slightly different because Ramaona didn't know about the first relationship
>This is precisely why this make the Ramona situation cheating and the Dorthy one not.
>Dorothy not only know that Joyce and Joe are together, she also know it was one Joyce was deeply into. the comparison simply doesn't work.
this is an example of that, thinking that what joyce did here is fine - instead of further hurting both Joe and Dorothy

>>149632040
this the old artstyle? kinda cute, desu

>>149637088
fuck year

>>149641471
I miss the old artstyle. It looked more simple and the thin and sketchy lines are pleasing to look at.
The recent artstyle looks detailed at the wrong places, like how the dot eyes look. The weird shading and thick lines makes the characters look like weird blob monsters and their proportions look like someone messed with the aspect ratio.

>>149641422
Even gay people would instantly call Joyce cheating and Dorothy being the other woman. It's far more likely the person defending it engages in such behavior themselves.

>>149626682
I just miss Shortpacked. Is that so wrong?

>>149641510
You seem to be misunderstanding - read through the thread carefully. The crazy gay is defending Joyce giving Joe a blowjob here, as if that wasn't cheating and horrible of her to all parties involved

Is there a reason why Willis decided on Dorothy, of all characters, to be his second self-insert? Also why, in both this and Walky, are his self-inserts boning? Makes it seem like he's just advertising his narcissism.

>>149641664
Because he ran out of any creativity and youthful enthusiasm for his own work around 15 years ago.

You know, Willis is the exact type of person Buzz Dixon was trying to keep people from becoming when he wrote Serenity.
Really makes you think.

>>149641538
...what? Joyce and Joe are already in a relationship. Anything they do can't be construed as cheating because they're not broken up and Joyce and Dorthy aren't officially together. Anything Dorthy and Joyce do together is cheating because they're doing it behind their partners back.

Don't get me wrong, Joyce giving Joe a blow job to avoid an uncomfortable conversation is a shitty thing for her to do but it's not cheating.

>>149641459
>It's strange: I've never felt more like "Carla" than when Mary's mouth is too full to say anything.

>>149629129
Is there a Yoto archive?

>>149642811
Idk, I just save them whenever /co/ has a DoA kick.

>>149642722
>Don't get me wrong, Joyce giving Joe a blow job to avoid an uncomfortable conversation is a shitty thing for her to do but it's not cheating.
This.

>>149642811
https://imgchest.com/p/ne7bw5ovn75
The imgur one got deleted so I reuploaded to this.

>>149642722
Yeah when a married man fucks his mistress and his wife he's not cheating on his mistress every time he bangs his wife.

>>149628194
I have come to the realisation that if Joyce and Dorothy are endgame and they never broke up, this will be the closest Joyce will have ever been to a penis ever.

>>149640520
Who the fuck are these people

>>149628194
I wanna know about Joyce's first blowjob. Was she good at it? Was it all teeth? Did she try to fit too much too fast and gag? Did Joe walk her through it?

The only ending I'll accept.

>>149644087
A pharmacist.
Joyce needed contraceptive to help her deal with her menstrual cramps, but she didn't want other people to think she were buying them to have sex so she asked Dorothy to pretend they were a lesbian couple so that the pharmacist wouldn't assume she were buying them for the purposed of getting a penis inside of her.

The other person in the strip you are quoting is the Pharmacist's wife, only featured in that comic.

>>149644087
Time-travelling future Joyce and Dorothy, obviously.

>>149644368
An other one to add to the pile of "it's actually Joyce who groomed Dorothy">>149632233

>>149643498
I think the issue stems from the fact that if the side piece is unaware she's a side piece then the man actually is cheating on her when he bangs his wife, but that scenario doesn't apply to this situation because Joe is the only unaware party.

>>149644416
In what way?

>>149640520
Willis was really into Hillary, huh?

>>149645024
Willis is into anything that'll keep numbnuts donating to him

>>149640739
>Joyce probably got something of an incest squick.
Eventually we'll reach a point in time where incest gets added to the LGBT acronym and Joyce has to learn that interfamily relationships are perfectly fine and she's a bigot if she disagrees.

>>149645267
>Eventually we'll reach a point in time where incest gets added to the LGBT acronym
Naah, there is no need to. Incest is being normalised by Family Guy and rick&morty.

>>149632190
Don't delve too far down the in-universe timeline rabbit hole, anon. Shit's bonkers once you realize how much happens in a matter of weeks and months: From Becky running away, to the first Toedad shootout, to the fucking hostage situation, to Amber's dad getting shot was all in the space of three weeks. Dorothy and Joyce going to the clinic to now has been like... eight or nine days.

>>149645289
gotta shut down that fucking college

>>149635476
Roz's real enemy is actually Dorothy. They have a Green Lantern/Green Arrow "Moderate liberal vs radical leftist" thing going on.

>>149645427
Are we ever supposed to think Roz is anything other than a complete piece of shit?

>>149645267
>>149645284
You people are cowards, I've been shipping Joyce/Jocelyne for almost a decade now.

>>149645604
>I've been shipping Joyce/Jocelyne for almost a decade now.
Pre or post op?

>>149643027
ahahaha double boy

>>149645604
>Are we ever supposed to think Roz is anything other than a complete piece of shit?
No, which is why all the "good" character dislike her and she's paired with Mary as roommates. But she's still a leftist so she's still morally preferable to Willis than Mary. It would actually be a pretty funny revelation if she was just such a contrarian that her beliefs are paper thin. I could see Roz switching to right-wing grifter mode because she finds supporting the left when they're more dominant too boring.

>>149645604
>>149645988
I like Roz.

>>149646012
Like is a strong word but personally I find her more tolerable here than she was in Shortpacked.

I don't think Becky would take it that badly, IMO.

>>149646093
>Are you gay?
>>What? No.
*one week later*
>That lying bitch!

>>149643027
Ah, the good old days.

>>149645917
Where's the fun in post-op?

>>149645988
It's far more likely that her beliefs only exist to morally validate her behavior rather than contrarianism. In >>149645427 she starts arguing against Dorothy's very reasonable concern for Joyce as slut shaming, she's not exactly coming off as sex-positive or concerned about reproductive freedom as much as a hedonist. She's not the type to turn right-wing, but she is the type to take a complete 180 on her stance when she starts dealing with a teenage daughter.

>>149646093
We just gonna ignore that Becky is attracted to retards? Autistic women being your type just sounds creepy especially because most them act like children. Becky is a pedophile.

>>149646442
Being autistic doesn't mean being a retard, anon.

>>149646442
>having an attraction to women with social difficulties means you want to fuck children
Becky just likes 'em blunt and high maintenance.

>>149646630
OK retard

>>149646659
But Dina and Joyce are basically (wo)manchildren so that doesn't track. Becy probably would've ended up molesting a little girl at her church youth group if the toe dad saga hadn't happened.

>>149646861
>But Dina and Joyce are basically (wo)manchildren
They aren't.

>>149646882
>Joyce only eats chicken nuggets and mac and cheese
>Dina plays with toy dinosaurs to an obsessive degree
>This gets Becky hard
OK retard.

>>149646442
why wouldn't she be? Becky is a retard

>>149645917
hot tranny action
I have a problem

>>149646944
She's slightly less of a retard than the other retards and that makes her a predator and I think that's kind of neat.

>>149646442
>Becky is a pedophile.
Uh, based? Someone get her some lolicon doujins, stat.
>>149646659
In Dina's case, she really does look like a 12 year old.

>>149644368
>>149645427
...Is it weird that both your posts make me want to read a version of DoA with at least two rows as a standard?
I feel like a small part of the wonky writing might be the comic strip format DWillis keeps as a standard.
I get that part of that is keeping the pace of work manageable, and that this is probably how he lays out the printed volumes, but it just came to me so suddenly that the writing actually gains a bit of rhythm when they're like this.

>>149646954
>Jocelyne is slim with tiny hormone titties
>Carla is a couple million dollars worth of silicon and surgery
That's the stuff.

>>149646941
That's not what qualify someone as a child.

>>149647125
You don't understand, she was only 17 years, 2919 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old.

>>149646975
>Becky on the prowl, looking for weaker retards

>>149647189
>2919 days
What?

>>149642511
It ended too soon. He said the plan was always to flip it once they reached college. They'd see a whole different world away from church and parents and Serenity would have to help them not become Willis' (not the wording he used of course but your summation is pretty apt).

>>149647242
The joke is that it's a 26 year old reworded to sound like she's underage.

>>149647119
>Carla eventually turns into Natalie Mars

>>149632730
>>149632895
It is going to be some wild character development if Joe is the one to break up with Joyce because he is heartbroken and refuses to get involved in a 3-way relationship after being betrayed. Bitches got no loyalty.

>>149647565
Mary dropping truth bombs like always

>>149646659
>>149647012
DoA writes autism as dumb/naive only because EVERY character in DoA is dumb/naive. Any character who was actually written as autistic (strict and inflexible moral principles, in-depth interests, low tolerance for lies, low tolerance for irritating stimuli) would either break the plot or quickly distance themselves from all the nonsense and thus leave the comic.

An autistic person who shared a dorm with a cast this loud, inconsiderate, inconsistent, and hyper-social would need to be transferred within a week, before they start contemplating serial murdering their neighbors in their sleep.

>>149623349 (OP)
I don't like DoA's sliding timeline. Willis said he didn't want the comic to slowly become a period piece but in practice every strip is a period piece of when it was written, especially since Willis can't keep himself from making pop culture and technology references. Plus he wants DoA to be political and socially relevant, but politics moves way too fast for this type of comic, and desu things are a lot crazier now than they were in 2010. Nowadays Mary would be cutting the ribbon on Alligator Alcatraz, Roz would be running for mayor of New York, and Dorothy would be taking L after L like every other establishment democrat for the past ten years.

>>149647290
It really would've been kino, even if it was handled as awkwardly as the rest of the series (hell, the awkwardness probably would've elevated it by a lot).
>He said the plan was always to flip it once they reached college
This really has me craving a SerenityxDoA crossover. Imagine Serenity & Co's reaction to shit like everything that happened with Toedad.

>>149632730
>>149632895
They both just need a good dicking and then they'll be straight as arrows.

>>149647775
I'll be honest: I don't think DoA sucks. It's a fairly decent soap-opera daily comic, with the standard problems of the genre: a sliding timeline messing with any attempt at contemporary relevance, being preachy, tangenting off into ridiculous nonsense. Archie has been having those issues since the 50s.

The only major miss DoA has as an example of its genre is that it doesn't reliably ship the hot characters with the self-insertable ones. Archie knew to give readers some wish-fulfillment. That's why every Archie character had at least one consistent ship that they tried to never outright sabotage.

>>149647484
I'm not opposed.

>>149647565
It's interesting that Joe has grown to the point of rejecting this kind of behavior while Joyce is basically flitting around based on her current infatuation and Dorothy is behaving in a way she'd chastise Joe about. It's kind of heartbreaking for him. He makes a dedicated effort to be a better person, pursues someone who validates and believes in his personal growth, and then that person turns around and cheats on him with a holier-than-thou hypocrite who denies anything about him is different. Joyce and Dorothy are going to emotionally and psychologically destroy Joe.

>>149647775
Hey now, plenty of establishment Dems are doing just fine. Dorothy would be taking L and L regardless because she's an insincere, condescending know-it-all.

>>149648148
>plenty of establishment Dems are doing just fine.
Are you from another, better timeline? Can you help me get there?

>>149648148
>Joyce and Dorothy are going to emotionally and psychologically destroy Joe.
How is the entire readership of this comic supposed to not turn on Joyce and Dorothy after this? It is just awful, unjustifiable behavior.

>>149648054
>it doesn't reliably ship the hot characters with the self-insertable ones
Who are the hot characters here and who are the self-insertable ones?

>>149646093
Wasn't Joyce the one who told Toedad where she was, or told her parents knowing they'd tell him, and started two plotlines' worth of gunfights and kidnappings ?

I don't know how lesbians work but if some girl being straight almost got me sent to conversion therapy and my girlfriend shot, only to find out she isn't and I could just have been scissoring the bitch for the last few months and spared us both massive trauma had I insisted only slightly more I'd probably be mad.

>>149648217
>Bad upbringing
I like to think that Mary is the Anti-Joyce: her parents are free love hippies who she hates and she became a religious extremist to get away from them.

>>149648217
Given Willis, coming out of the closet automatically means you did nothing wrong. Which to be fair is something I've also seen before in fiction by better writers with milder political takes.

However Willis goes with it, I think his best move would be to have Joe start dating Other Rachel both as validation of Joe's character development and to make up for the aborted character growth from It's Walky!. Alternately, have him hook up with Mary for the hilarity or Amber for a pure trainwreck.

>>149648239
I'm pretty sure Ross showed up at IU expecting Becky to head there since Joyce attended.

>>149648148
The most tragic part to me is that Joe's attraction and fondness for Joyce was because she was honest, emotionally open, chaste, loyal, and romantic. Everything he didn't know how to be, but wanted to learn once he realized that casual sex and flings weren't making him happy. Realizing JOYCE, the sweetest girl he's ever met, cheated on him? How's he ever going to trust anyone going forward?

>>149648223
That's part of the problem, Willis keeps muddying the water. The obvious self-insert characters are: Danny, Walky, and Amber. A nebbish and nonspecific dork "everyman", a "smart-but-underachieving" comic relief archetype, and a socially anxious turbo-nerd. A soap opera needs characters like that, who are just kind of normal and likable to help the more specific, high-intensity characters stand out. But because Amber's a schizophrenic superhero, Danny's a hipster, and Walky's a fuckup favored child, they aren't normal and relatable, which unbalances the whole formula.

>>149648223
Walky is hot, and danny is self-insertable. They should be fucking.

>AUTHOR OF A WEBCOMIC FROM THE 2000S
>STILL MAKING IT
>NOT TRANS
WHAT

>>149648900
Trooning out only happens to incels. Willis is married with children. If he gets divorced, then all bets are off.

>>149648946
Nah it happens to married people too but they're almost always narcissists and they do it at times their wife is pregnant or when a sibling is getting married. I think that Willis is too happy in his marriage to fully troon out.

>>149648900
He already went they/them when he freaked out over some minor surgery that required going under.

>>149642722
>>149642881
>>149643498

see the chart gay boy >>149641133

>>149648302
I've unironically had that thought before.
If the Bradfords were those free-range types who tried to raise Mary without any real structure, so she fell in with the church to find it.

>>149647091
ignore most of it but please see the bottom right panel

>>149647748
uhhhh amber???

>>149648217
No you see but they're gay so that makes it the morally superior choice.
Anon, Joe is a straight (((white))) male, what about this don't you get?
You're going to get arrested for not supporting these lesbian angels

>>149649487
Amber isn't autistic, she's schizophrenic. Differential diagnosis, yo.

>>149648724
I think you're overdoing it with Danny - he's still pretty much the face of "normal guy" in the comic.
And he did get shipped with a hot character (Sal), and not even one who's consistently terrible!
Before they get what Joe/Joyce got just recently - because the characters can never actually be happy, wait for it it's coming - they are the one exception right now.
>>149649487
>>149649532
she's both? She can be both schizophrenic and autistic. There's probably some correlation between the two

>>149629656
>you probably need a better than average amount of self-assurance

shut up bsp. your whole life revolves around you telling yourself you're not a bitch cuck.

>>149649532
Originally Amber just had PTSD actually but at some point Willis gave her DID (which is not real) for whatever reason. When you go back to earlier strips Amber and Amazigirl aren't separate personalities they're just Amber trying to be cool, just like it was in Shortpacked.

>>149629936
i don't know about being a lesbian or bi or whatever; the real retcon is how little of a deal joyce is making about being a huge fucking cheater.

>>149648724
by his own admission, the self-insert is joyce. the basis of her character in DoA is, in his words" autobiographical", though i'm pretty sure he didn't become gay and join a polycule

>>149649591
>She can be both schizophrenic and autistic. There's probably some correlation between the two
Yes, but I'll point out that Amber is largely a loner who's removed themselves from the comic. It's Amazi-girl the schizophrenic delusion who keeps dragging her back into relevancy.

>>149649637
Amber's issues metastasizing from "maladaptive fantasy" to "full blown schizophrenia" isn't UNrealistic. It's fantastical in it's degree, but plenty of mental illnesses start out subtle or under-the-surface, then become more pronounced with trauma.

>>149649637
>DID (which is not real)
is this being pulled from your asshole or do you have a degree in psychology?

Joyce becoming an atheist is actually really tragic. Unlike Becky, she wasn't a repressed teen who discovered a world outside of her hometown that she liked better; Joyce genuinely liked all the bland evangelical crap she was raised on, loved her faith and had a great relationship with God. If her parents sent her to a Bible college like Becky she'd be perfectly happy. But she went to IU, made friends with lesbians and atheists, and to protect those friends decided she had to abandon everything she used to enjoy, including her religion. There's no empowerment or freedom, Joyce is still desperate for authority figures and is as terrified of being a bad person as she was before. She never internalized "I can say and do what I want and don't care who hates me for it" like Becky has.

>>149649406
kek.

>>149648148
live action Carla

>>149649591
>I think you're overdoing it with Danny
Granted, he is still very everyman. But I do think that the wish-fulfillment aspect is spoiled a bit by the sheer degree to which Danny is a lame dork - a self-insert character should be a bit of a lame dork (lowest common denominator and all that), but they should still have some basic redeeming qualities and be good at something. Danny isn't particularly kind, smart, observant, understanding, or clever, and he's not really good at anything.

>>149649721
Sure, but for a general audience the former fundie isn't the one most people are going to relate to the best.

>>149649755
It's a heavily debated topic within the field and it ultimately contradicts and goes against much about what we know of cognition and identity. It also tends to worsen with therapy and treatment as people lean more into the "role" they build instead of healing. Its only more recently that it is even being allowed as a diagnosis after an uptake in people claiming to have it which is largely attributed to media portrayals. Reported cases are also rarely consistent with one another. The only thing anyone can seem to agree on is that childhood trauma is a consistent, but that doesn't mean those people are actual building these alters it just means they're exploring healing through playing pretend.

>>149649755
No, it really is a meme disorder.

>>149649843
>she had to abandon everything she used to enjoy, including her religion.
ehh, kinda. she wasn't aware of just how fucked up the dynamics of her religion-related culture were until the church pooled money together to get the lesbian's armed-kidnapper dad out of jail.

The worst thing about this mess is that even though Joe is going to be single again, now Sarah actually has a romantic interest which isn't dogshit (Jacob is lame) so they can't be smooshed together into a good ship to fix the opening

>>149649956
Joe is probably going to get with Rachel.

>>149649896
>>149649918
iata & today i learned a new thing. i have had dissociative episodes, but no bullshit like multiple personalities. i just kinda go "third person" for a while.

>>149648302
>>149649386
It is the funniest option.
>"Mary, how's college? Have you met anyone nice, made any friends?"
>"All my dorm-mates are godless heathens and queers."
>"I'm sorry to hear that, but we wish you wouldn't use slurs like that. Are your classes good at least?"
>"They're full of liberal propaganda."

>>149650008
Mary's parents

>>149649982
>i just kinda go "third person" for a while.
Oh that's extremely common. I even read a novel from the early 19th century where one of the characters describes that happening to them.

>>149649971
but rachel sucks....

>>149649982
Yeah those are different things. You're talking about a dissociative fugue, not DiD.

>>149648054
>It's a fairly decent soap-opera daily comic
Your standards are so low they may as well be non-existent.

Dumbing of Age is a tremendously bad soap opera. Soap operas allow for extremely inventive and exaggerated drama.
Instead Willis is just recycling others' ideas with characters that never actually go anywhere or do anything interesting.

The Evil Dad Alliance was at least somewhat interesting.
What do we have going on right now that is in any way interesting? Tell me, what character arc are you excited for?
What ongoing story do you think may hold unexpected surprised?

DoA is the worst thing a soap opera could be, boring.

>>149649876
please don't

>>149650216
I think the comic needs more space aliens and evil robots. I have faith that eventually Willis will think so too.

>>149623349 (OP)
I've only read the first 3 volumes,
Dumbing of Age v01 - This Campus Is A Friggin' Escher Print (2012)
Dumbing of Age v02 - The Cragged Shame Pits of the Lustwolves (2013)
Dumbing of Age v03 - Your Stupid Overconfidence is Nostalgic (2014)
because I found them on-line. Back then the jokes were mainly about a brainwashed Fundamentalist being exposed to different viewpoints for the first time. Reconciling "Evolution doesn't occur" with the need to get a new Flu shot every year.

When did it turn into the X-men level soap opera everyone seems to be criticizing now?

>>149650216
>What do we have going on right now that is in any way interesting?
Joyce & Dorothy's moral failings reaching a crescendo as they cheat on their boyfriends? Interpersonal drama is the meat and potatoes of soap opera.
>Tell me, what character arc are you excited for?
I'd like to see Amber either successfully treat her escalating insanity with medication and therapy, or else go even crazier. It'll be fun either way.
>What ongoing story do you think may hold unexpected surprised?
Joe and Walky's reactions to Joyce and Dorothy going full bore could go a number of different directions. They'll almost certainly both be hurt, but at the moment I can't predict whether they'll try and convince Joyce and Dorothy to stop, try to pretend it's fine ("girl-on-girl doesn't count" or something, idk), or be so disappointed they write the girls off.

DoA may be schlock, but most soap operas are, and it succeeds in it's main job to have cute characters and be mildly interesting.

>>149650406
like 12 years before that first volume was done

>>149650406
Volume 4 or 5. Whatever one introduces Becky.

>>149623349 (OP)
Has everyone here voted?

>>149650523
I haven't properly read the comic in about a decade at this point, and I feel like it'd be dishonest to vote and skew the results.

>>149650523
Cheating is morally wrong.

>>149650460
Anon, you honestly have NO IDEA how crazy and inventive soap operas can be.
Melrose Place had a murder every 4 episodes or so.

A crazy pill popping doctor accidentally murders his girlfriend.
A different crazy girl that, worked as a part time hooker, finds out and blackmails him into marrying him.
The doctor repeatedly tries to kill her while she skillfully evades his attempts.
He eventually falls in love with her and they join forces to mess with the life of the hooker's sister, the doctor's ex-wife.
And that's only like 3 episodes.

Oh no, Joe and Walky may have their feelings hurt because their girlfriends cheater with each other. How DRAMATIC!

>>149650578
In a good soap opera it'd be revealed Mike faked his death and reinvented himself as a member of the mafia in order to take down them down undercover from the inside. And also there'd be vampires who show up out of no where.

>>149650578
Wait until we’re sure nobody got shot by the sniper. It feels like a huge waste if no one did given how many times they brought it up
(Also Mary was at the protest and totes say them make out and I want fallout from that)

>>149650633
We already know that no one did. Dorthy said no sniper snots were fired and Amazi-Girl got out ok.

>>149650578
Sure, but having less stuff happen doesn't automatically make it worse. To make the Archie comparison again, the median Archie storyline has incredibly low stakes. The crossovers and special editions where Archie fights the Predator or Reggie gets shot by a sniper are rare exceptions. But Archie's still pretty good, it's just not super tense.

>>149650665
Yeah but dorothy is a liar

>>149623349 (OP)
This thread needs more bondage

>>149650704
She had no reason to lie.

>>149650219
don't what?

>>149650632
Hey, don't write it off. I'd be super down for Mike's return. And it'd be fully in character, too!
>Why, Mike? Why did you let us all think you were dead?! We were distraught!
>To fuck with you.
>Oh, Mike...
And then Amber goes for the makeout, Mike gets her worked up, then he bails.

>>149649956
I kinda wish we could see Joe and Roz try something steady.
But I'm pretty sure something would have to happen to Roz to make her do monogamy.

>>149649843
This. Becky still holds her faith despite having more of a reason to give it up than Joyce does.

>>149650523
I think cheating is bad when it happens to people I like and good when it happens to people I don't.

>>149650633
>Mary is mistaken for a protester and gets hit with a rubber bullet

>>149651053
Joe is way too good for Roz.

>>149649896
>>149649982
Realistically, Amber dissociates into a fugue state and has adopted an incredibly othered identity of Amazi-Girl as a coping/defense mechanism that she treats as a separate person where she psychologically transfers her perceived negative traits and "redeems" them through violence. Worryingly, one of the things transferred seems to be the proactive part of her sexuality.

>>149649947
Willis introduced the plot of Joyce finding a new denomination then dropped it in ten strips when he killed the Jacob ship. What's interesting about it was that Joyce absolutely refused to engage with any other churches or denominations seeing them as wrong. She consistently espouses the attitude that her childhood church is the only church - to the point she probably thinks it the grand sum of Christianity - which means to Joyce it's either staying with them or atheism. Which is a very immature and ignorant view of religion, and is highlighted by the fact that Becky, the person who has suffered more at the hands of religion, simply found a new church to attend.

Something I've noticed about Willis is that while he's able to quote scripture from memory, his theology is much weaker and he seems to have barely any grasp of apologetics.

>>149650908
>Wait, you've been Booster this entire time?
>Charlie too.

>>149651450
>Something I've noticed about Willis is that while he's able to quote scripture from memory, his theology is much weaker and he seems to have barely any grasp of apologetics.
That's pretty typical of american evangelicalism. Hence the biblical literalism and blunt approach to spreading and maintaining faith.

>>149651053
>man comes to you with an actual emotional conundrum regarding his doubts and fears regarding himself for the sake of his potential partner
>claim its purity culture shaming
Roz has zero empathy and little ability to see things outside her own perspective.

>>149651360
>Mary's belief system does a complete 180
>is now a militant antitheist who shames everyone for having religion and the atheists for not taking an aggressive stand against anyone with a religious belief
>starts drawing in classical realism

>>149651733
>Mary converts to Islam and joins Hamas

>>149651360
Why is Saejima there?

>>149651803
Seems more like a Roz thing. And by convert I mean wear a hijab, stop eating pork publicly, and try to piss off her sister while not following any of Islam's tenets or dogma.

>>149651450
Mike had fun being an enby, stuck-up kind of asshole, but now it's time for him to get back to his asshole roots: fucking people's moms.

>>149651733
Come on, be fair. Roz is pretty direct about the fact that she can't really offer Joe the type of advice or reassurance he wants because she doesn't have that mindset. But he keeps talking to her, so she offers what she CAN, which is sardonically reminding him that he and Joyce will be fine.

>>149652342
The problem is that when you break it down, she's saying his feelings are invalid and he'll be fine. It's not that hard to say that him having those feelings in the first place means he already does care about her on a deeper level so he'll be fine.

>>149652113
So basically Finn Hudson in "Grilled Cheesus" but with Islam.

>>149651347
i hate that that I agree with this.

>>149647775
>The story begins. It is 2010. Joyce brown, 18-year-old college freshman, was thus born in 1992.
>Five months pass in-universe.
>It is now 2025. Joyce brown, 18-year-old college freshman, was thus born in 2007.
By the time she turns 19, she's going to have been in college since before she was born. Wacky stuff.

>>149648148
>>149648724
Joe has a very narrow path to walk here. To one side, fury. To the other, despair. Both lead to self-destruction. Basically the only way I can see for him to maintain his sanity and character growth is to basically go "Forget getting better for Joyce. I deserve to get better for ME." which is a pretty hard needle to thread if you're feeling betrayed and heartbroken.

At this point he's one of my favorite characters in the comic. It's gonna hurt to see the big guy in pain.

>>149650560
It is. Cheated on my ex with the woman I ended up marrying and I'll still never get over the shitty way I handled it and all the hurt I caused. Managed to pull off the happy ending somehow but I sure didn't deserve it.

>>149647775
>Birds of Prey
>Captain Marvel
>Hidden Figures

Ain't nobody's favorite movies. Hidden Fugures especially if you're a fan of the actual people depicted.
Rogue One I can believe because, like with TFA, a lot of people were deceived into thinking it's good. But with TFA most have already come around to realize it was shit while with Rogue One it's only now happening because Andor was (supposedly) good and the contrast is jarring.

>>149653809
sarah remains the only good person in the entire series.

>>149654265
I like Ethan. Ethan's never done anything wrong.

>>149654274
ehh. he's kind of a pussy bitch, which isn't doing something wrong, but it's a wrong way to be.

>>149654278
Is he? Ethan stands up for himself, he cucked Billie, and he's basically made the right decision of cutting nearly all of these people out of his life. I say he's fine as is.

>>149654265
>>149654274
Has Jacob, the law student guy, ever done anything fucked up? I can't remember, but he's pretty straight-and-narrow.

>>149654357
Not really. He banged Lucy when he knew Sarah liked him but at the same time Sarah was dragging ass and she couldn't come to terms with her feelings so he just stopped waiting. Which wasn't really bad and Sarah clearly got the message and grew from it.

>>149654357
There isn't anything wrong with Jacob, and he's a pretty good guy- but he's also got basically no strongly held beliefs beyond "you should be a good person", which is the moral, ethical, and philosophical equivalent to boiled water. What annoys me about Jacob isn't actually what this reveals about Jacob, but what it instead reveals about Willis. The only strongly held moral beliefs that you are allowed to hold, in his world, are the ones that he agrees with. Otherwise, you are a Joyce to be converted, or a Mary-tier God-botherer.

>>149653686
How do we know Joe won't accept it or like it? Hell, how do we know Joyce won't try to settle for both?

>>149654486
are you seriously entertaining the "Joe is happy being a cuckold" plotline

>>149654578
Don't tempt Willis, he hates half the people who still read his comic.

>>149654578
He's the one who's gonna put a kid in Joyce at the end of the day.

>>149654578
that or the "Joe does an incest(?)" plotline?

>>149649375
See the reply to it, blind guy.>>149641340

>>149649637
>but at some point Willis gave her DID (which is not real)
Source?

>>149649918
Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

>>149651733
>>claim its purity culture shaming
She only make that remark in regard to Joe being afraid to "take Joyce's purity".

for no reason at all, I am now going to post the latest CAD arc.

And that's all so far.

>>149654786
I hope you remain single forever mate

>>149654849
>imply I shouldn't be in a relationship because I said that sucking on your boyfriend's dick after you have cheated on him instead of confessing is bad

Even if you are making a point (which you aren't), all you would get from this is that I would be unfaithful to the partner I have cheated with in the first place.

So does anyone have tomorrow's Patreon comic? Trying to decide if I get off this Trainwreck now or just continue to torture my eyeballs.

>>149654861
>>imply I shouldn't be in a relationship because I said that sucking on your boyfriend's dick after you have cheated on him instead of confessing is bad
YES THAT IS BAD
How delusional are you???

>>149654892
>YES THAT IS BAD
This is exactly what I said.
I don't think it's worth listening to you when your reading comprehension is this poor.

>>149654398
So that's 3 characters out of a cast of dozens who are reliably decent and principled without going full zealot: Sarah, Ethan, and Jacob.
Then there's a few characters who are neurotic about their principles to the point of reduced functionality: Mary, Roz, Amber, (arguably) Jason, etcetera.
And everyone else falls into that all-too-common space wherein they may have principles to varying degrees, but they don't keep to them reliably, often defaulting to whatever's convenient or emotionally satisfying for them at that moment.

>>149654426
>he's also got basically no strongly held beliefs beyond "you should be a good person"
He's going to law school with an aim to be a civil rights lawyer and he goes to church regularly in (current year), he's got to have SOME kind of ideology. I assume he's just socially adept enough to not loudly soapbox about his beliefs to people he doesn't know well.

>>149654811
>>149654818
>>149654823
>>149654829
>>149654836

B^U

I miss when Willis would say retard and use gay as an insult.

>>149656106
Forgot pic related.

>>149655089
I think Ethan is too whiny and self-centered to be decent.

>>149654067
Those are all Willis's favorite movies that he only likes to show how much of good male feminist he is. He also thinks those are the kind of movies young women like which is why he pretends to like them in the first place. Then again he really does have garbage tastes in movies and most media in genral so he might unironically like them.

Either way Willis is old and out of touch

>>149656215
Not that I disagree over all but I think in both cases a lot of his choices were just pulled from recent moves at the time.

>>149656215
>Then again he really does have garbage tastes in movies and most media
Well yeah, he's into Transfromers.

>>149656264
The first one definitely feels like Willis took his time to think what kind of movies those specific characters would enjoy at the time and the choices do fit thkse characters.

The second is a mix of movies he likes and what he thinks a modern young woman enjoy in current year and they're mostly lazy choices.

>>149656325
I can see Roz or Dorothy saying Hidden Figures just for the sake of optics.

>>149654578
He's going to be Joyce and Dorothy's sperm donor.

>>149656124
>Depart from me, ye who are cursed
I'm gonna start using that line.

>>149656325
We don't see who's saying what in the second strip. Short Circuit 2 is obviously Carla, but we don't know what Ruth, Billie, or Becky's choices were.

>>149656968
Billie's is probably Rogue One. She's a Star Warsfag. I feel like Becky's would be Bride Maids. That fits her personality best.

>>149654836
So Buckley's self-insert is getting dommed by a pushy transwoman? That's an interesting choice.

>>149657895

I missed the transwoman thing skimming these, just figured he still couldn't draw.

>>149657895
>>149657927
I don't think she is trans, though. Just tall.

>>149654836
This is so fucking bad. Has CAD really gone this off the deepend? Everything about these strips is just depressing.

>>149657244
>Leslie tries to bond with Billie over being Star Wars fans
>It falls apart because Leslie is an OT boomer while Billie is a prequelfag

>>149658141
Based on the sliding timeline she should be a STfag. Kids who were 10 when TFA released are now 19.

>>149658141
>>149658213
Leslie had a TFA poster in her apartment. She appears to be a Leia fangirl first and foremost though. Given that Billie is heavily implied to be a massive geek underneath it all and is a human shaped pile of garbage, she's probably EU all the way.

>>149658213
I don't know anyone who actually likes the Disneywars movies, though. People like the prequels ironically (r/prequelmemes and such) but the only people who defend The Last Jedi are libs performatively trying to own the chuds. Lots of people watch the Disney+ shows but those don't have anything to do the sequels proper. Maybe Billie's a Reylo shipper.

So is this the Rent a Girlfriend of webcomics?

>>149658506
>The first class gets diverted by a 30 minute argument about whether Star Wars Clone Wars is better than Star Wars The Clone Wars
>The second class Billie gets red in the face saying the Yuuzhan Vong were "not stupid"
>The third class Billie calls Rey a Mary Sue and Leslie has to stop herself from flunking her right there

>>149658680
Are you kidding? This is nothing like it: at least half of the cast has done nothing but fuck each others.

>>149658658
Lots of people like Rogue One. Solo is actually a pretty solid adventure film crippled by being a prequel. And though I loathe TLJ for a lot of reasons, I will give it minor praise for at least posing an interesting development with Rey even if it lasted all of 90 seconds.

>>149658837
>everyone is assigned a group project about feminism in pop media
>Billie forces her group to choose the ST
>her contribution is fifty hundred pages of lit crit about PoexKylo slashfics

>>149658978
The greatest sin of TLJ was that it made me believe the sequel trilogy could actually go into an interesting direction.

>>149658978
>Lots of people like Rogue One
Yeah, that's the only one that was popular when it came out. And again, it was isolated from everything the sequels were doing. Plus people just liked seeing a Star Wars film that wasn't about the Jedi for once.

>>149659000
It's pretty telling that Darth Rey is canon to LEGO Star Wars.

>>149659239
When people say Disneywars they usually mean all of it, not just the ST.

>>149648724
Maybe a solution would be making Amazi-Girl's disguise more than just a domino mask, so that "Who is Amazi-Girl" is a real mystery and not just dramatic irony. That way Amber really does seem like just a grouchy, sedentary nerd before the big twist.

>>149659825
She can't hide that fat ass.

>>149635810
It's fun when Mary plays the straight man.

>>149660051
I understand her so much. Being around these fags would make me homophobic too and I'm gay.

>>149660051
When I was a freshman, one of the guys on our floor grabbed a goose from the river and kept it in his dorm room. It was loud, kept everyone in the hall awake, it hissed and snapped at people whenever it broke out of his room, and it fucking shat everywhere - after a couple days the whole floor stank of goose shit. Everyone hated the goose and everyone hated the guy for being a wacky faggot and bringing it into the dorms, but nobody ever did anything about it and our RA was a useless stoner. Finally I got sick of it and reported the guy to the university and they sent campus security and a guy from animal control over and got rid of it. Suddenly everyone decided they actually loved the goose and always had, that campus security were bastards for removing their beloved goose, and that I was just a big nofunallowed narcing asshole for reporting it. Dorm life sucks.

>>149660051
Were Dorothy and Joyce taking hallucinogens?

>>149660993
replace "goose" with "gang" and you'll suddenly understand how black neighborhoods work.

>>149660993
Same reason why everyone always speaks fondly about the guy they knew in college who was a total party fiend and all his wild shenanigans while overlooking the fact that at the time everyone was deeply concerned about his wellbeing because he was a barely functional alcoholic at 19 and flunked out his freshman year. No one reminisces about problems once they're gone.

The only thing I experienced similar to that was someone shitting in the urinals and sinks of the shared restrooms of my dorm, and that ended around the time we found a clump of hair, skin, and blood stuck in the corner of one of the mirrors.

>>149661030
Violence in cities are at their lowest in recent years.

>>149660993
Did you try to confront the guy or find other people in your dorm to make an intervention, before resorting to that.

>>149661299
could've been worse... could've been semen

>>149661019
This makes me realize that Sarah and Mary becoming friends would be kino. They're both cynical and judgemental, are good at shrugging off other people's cynicism and judgement, and they seem to share similar taste.

Plus they could act as a darker and more self-aware foil to Joyce and Dorothy's relationship. Sarah and Mary could sit around grousing about how Joyce and Dorothy's twee meddling is exhausting and how they seem to be making each other worse, it'd be great.

Current poll.

>>149661800
Who the fuck is Jakey?

>>149661867
He meant "Chicken Jockey"

>>149661800
Guys it's fine is they cheat. It's fiiiiine.

>>149661652
>Mary, I want to be clear that even though we're now friends I will stand up for Joyce if you start pulling any fundie homophobic bullshit.
>You feel obligated because the liberal media has convinced you that black people have to defend anyone they claim are "oppressed." But I'll go easy on Joyce and Dorothy, it's not like they don't already know they're going to burn in hell for their sins.
>I never said anything about Dorothy.

>Someone called us the new Dorothy and Joyce, Sarah! Just because we hang out the godless heathens of this dorm expect us to abandon Christ and live in sin!
>Oh no! That's terrible! I can do so much better than you!
>...
>...
>You haven't so far.

>>149661800
Willis takes criticism well

>>149661575
Not in europe…

>>149662053
Was everyone just supposed to be cool with a cheating arc?

>>149661800
I'm not opposed to characters doing bad things for the sake of drama/tension, but I don't like all the mental gymnastics to somehow make the cheating be a good thing because the characters are heckin' wholesome lesbeans! or something.

>>149662095
Depends on whether or not you assume that Willis thought making them lesbians would override Joyce cheating or that this was an attempt to insert relationship drama that turned out to be a much more contentious move than Willis anticipated. I'm more inclined to believe the latter because otherwise he just wasted years of setup and plotlines about Joyce/Joe with zero payoff, and I don't think Willis is so obtuse to think that would fly with readers.

>>149662213
Based on that recent blogpost he made about the alternate version of this strip his mindset WAS that because Joyce and Dorthy are exploring their sexuality that gives them leeway for at least a period of time.

>>149623349 (OP)
>>149632618
>>149632653
>>149632730
>>149640114
>>149653809
Reading these actually somewhat reminded me of a thing that happened at a job I worked around ten years ago. Basically, my team leader came in at the start of the year with a boyfriend, who she had all these pictures with and was bragging about online. Then sometime around the summer, she got close with a pretty clearly lesbian team leader and they started hanging out all the time (hanging out in their rooms, taking long walks, etc). The boyfriend came by in the summer, and was holding hands with the team leader but the other team leader was there and they were all hanging out together. Then, by the fall, the team leader broke up with the guy and got with the lesbian team leader "all of a sudden". Apparently, she's gay now and has been married to her since like the late 2010s (or at least she's still using her last name). The whole situation made everyone feel kinda weird and it cause a minor controversy for the remainder of our time there.

>>149662210
My thoughts exactly, cheating plotlines can be fun for drama if shown how heart WRENCHING it is. Wills wont do this as he wants the cheating to seen as a good thing

>>149662318
It could be somewhat justified of Joyce's relationship with Joe seemed to be going nowhere, but that isn't the case. The two were actually in a good relationship.
And this cheating makes Dorothy's past actions look even worse, as if she was deliberately plotting for Joyce to cheat or break up with Joe.

>>149661800
>they're girls kissing so i don't care
I feel like this opens him up to getting flack for "oh you're sexualizing wlw relationships" criticism. Proceed at your own risk, I guess.
>literally could not care what joyce/dorothy do, this is a comic strip
This feels cheap, especially if he actually cares about his work in any creative capacity.
>they're college freshman and horny idiots
probably the best answer you could give, if you actually care to contribute to the poll. college freshman really do fuck around a lot in messy ways. guys and girls I know have had years long relationships fall apart in the first semester because someone goy horny and curious and realized there were itches they weren't getting scratched before or that what they were used to in high school no longer compatible with what they wanted or needed when they got a small taste of freedom. It's not right but it's the most honest answer you could give.

Joyce is now a villain. So is Dorothy.
They’re not on the same level of Toedad or Blaine or the other actual criminals of course, but as people they’re scumbags
They should lose all their friends because of this.

Jocelyn is also a shitbag too for encouraging it. It’s actually amazing how willis can’t wrote a trans character that isn’t human garbage

>>149623349 (OP)
Does no one on this board understand that people are complicated? I mean not really but to you guys I'm sure. Have you ever told yourself something was true cause you wanted to believe it, then later realized you were wrong?

>>149662460
Okay but in that instance you were always wrong from the start. Whatever you got yourself to believe doesn’t impact that whatsoever.

>>149662404
The best answer is
>cheating is probably bad, but more importantly it's amusing
It would be better if it just said cheating is bad, but it's a drama comic. What the fuck is the point of these relationships if they're not getting blown up ridiculous ways?

>>149662404
>goy horny and curious
That's what Joe's gonna say when he finds out.

>>149662213
I think the intention IS for this to be a dumb, fucked up thing they're doing. Both the comic and Willis's commentary refer to it as "cheating" rather than mincing words or trying to split hairs. In-universe, Joe bringing up his family history is clearly meant as a gutpunch, and Sarah, who is always the voice of reason who calls out bullshit, seems to think it's pretty bad.

Out of universe, the "Yessss, more cheating!" options in the polls read to me as facetious, basically being the funny option where the in-universe morality takes a back seat to the entertainment value of watching it all burn.

>>149662381
That does raise an interesting point, where does Dorothy and Joyce's relationship go from here?

>>149662404
It'd work better if it was "they're college freshmen and horny idiots not every decision is the right one." Really most people would go with something like that or the cheating is bad but they can atone response because most people get it.

>>149662460
We do. We also understand she's doing our boy Joe dirty and we aren't down for that.

>>149662497
tbf I do consider that to be in line with the horny college freshman thing. it's amusing to see these horny, stupid college freshman destroy their lives because they got tingly in a new and different way than they're used to.

>>149662460
Fictional characters aren't real and exist at the whim of their authors. While real people are indeed complicated there are certain expectations to how a story is told and certain choices are presented. Unjustified cheating is a betrayal of trust and it is POISON for a character's likability. Unless the character being cheated on is a garbage person you really can't justify it. Which Joe isn't, he's the absolute perfect boyfriend to Joyce and he's actively changing to be better for her. Even with Joyce feeling guilty there's little you can do now to redeem her. The drama of cheating isn't interesting when presented this way and it ruins how an audience views a character.

>>149662665
>>That does raise an interesting point, where does Dorothy and Joyce's relationship go from here?
There are various possibilities:
1. Try to sweep this incident under the rug and hope nobody else will find out
2. Continue cheating
3. Come clean and wait for Joe's response
4. Joyce (temporary) breaks up with Joe
5. Polygamy

>>149662761
What if Joyce and Dorothy try to "sell" it to Walky and Joe by framing it as a three/four-some, assuming that as guys they'll be into the idea? Watching Joe and/or Walky tell Dorothy that she's being horrifically sexist would both be a good dramatic plot point, and a pretty funny gag.

>>149661623
If Willis cared about his male characters this could be a DoA plot. I want to Joe, Walky, Danny, and Ethan team up to catch a dorm coomer.

>>149662894
I wish the male characters would interact more. I want Danny and Walky to have an adventure together.

>>149661652
>Sarah
>Darker foil
I see what you did there

>>149662623
He's open about it but I mean more along the lines of did Willis expect the exploring sexuality/self-realization aspect to negate any negative perceptions of the arc or did he think that his audience wouldn't have such an emotional investment Joe and Joyce's relationship and would go along with a cheating plotline for the relationship drama?

>>149662758
More than that, she's knowingly engaging in behavior that is going to fuck Joe up more than it would anyone else in the cast. It is one thing for a "heat of the moment" mistake and her fessing up, it's another for her to back out of telling him and inviting Dorothy over for totally not a fingerbanging session under a blanket.

>>149663036
A blanket he bought her and gave her while confiding in her that his autistic mom was really fucked up by his dad's cheating.

This plotline is too stupid
When do we get back to “they hate me because I’m darker, despite having the exact same hexcode of skin color as you” instead?

>>149662095
He obviously thinks so because they're lesbians.

>>149662460
People can be complicated but also these characters are annoying. You can write jerks who are entertaining.

>>149661019
>>149661652
Somewhere in the multiverse, there has to be an AU where Sarah ends up rooming with Mary instead of Joyce, with it working out surprisingly well for the reasons you described.
The fact that this would leave Joyce and Roz as roommates is just a sramge and potentally horrifying side-effect.

>>149661977
>Oh hey Mary. What're you doing out here after dark?
>Roz is engaged in another ostentatious display of sexual immorality. I am convinced she does it to offend me. And you?
>Same, but with Joyce and Dorothy.
>Hm, I am glad to hear you acknowledge the sinfulness of their unnatural union.
>I'm not a homophobe, Mary. I'm just not cool with cheating, or the idea that girl-on-girl stuff "doesn't count" or whatever.
>... I see.
>... Do you want to watch something where cheating is punished via rapid gory death?
>The entire School Days series is available on my laptop.
>I was thinking more "slasher", but sure, I'll give this weeb stuff a try.
>It isn't "weeb stuff", it's an anime based off a visual novel! It's an artistic subversion of the shallow, crass immorality and obscenity typical of the genre.
>Sure, sounds good.
>Excellent, we're finally on the same page. Just give me a minute to unpack this .zip file.
>Wait, isn't piracy a sin or whatever in your worldview?
>The true sin is in the commodification of art, materialistic greed and sloth used to deny and control access to the free marketplace of ideas!

People are worried about Joe, but I think Walky is going to receive the worse deal outta this.

>>149662460
Willis's characters are really not complicated. They're "college students" as imagined by a sheltered former fundie Transformers autist who follows a lot of woke people on social media. This comic has been published almost every day for 15 years yet there's been so little character development every character can still be summed up in a single sentence. A single word in some cases, and that word is usually "gay".

>>149663894
Willis hates Walky the most out of all characters because it reminds him of himself before he changed.

>>149663958
Just some goofy nerd?

>>149662924
I like Joe and Walky together, myself. They have a nice "chad and goofball" dynamic like Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. Danny can hang out with Ethan since they're both gay losers.

>>149663944
>Don't make me tap the sign Anon.
https://youtu.be/mGk-RV_u2oU?si=zJOQ-JiXEf2QwfCQ

>>149663958
No he hates Danny most. He's quite clear he hates Danny with a passion despite Danny being the second character he ever created after Ultra Car. He really regrets killing Ruth off and not Danny these days.

>>149664217
Joe... god bless

>>149664258
Dammit this was for >>149662460

>>149662381
>It could be somewhat justified of Joyce's relationship with Joe seemed to be going nowhere
It hasn't had time to seem like it's going nowhere, they've been dating for all of like three weeks.

>>149664294
Hell, Joe and Joyce had a romantic evening that culminated in Joe getting to third base literally the night before. And now Dorothy expects Joyce to break up with him because of one kiss.

>>149661800
>Every option is about Joyce and Dorothy and cheating in the abstract
>No mention of Joe and Walky or how they would be affected by this
Really makes you think.