Thread 149650892

What went wrong?
I blame the casting choices

>>149650892 (OP)
People lost faith in Marvel. In this case its too bad because its their best movie in years.

>>149650892 (OP)
Yeah, the new Reed and Susan are way too old looking for those roles

>>149650892 (OP)
Vanessa Kirby was the only one I ended up liking and at least she's genuinely excited to play the characater. Pedro Pascal and Moss-Bachrach just played themselves and it hurt the characters. Whoever played Johnny was inoffensive. At least the script was kind to him.

>>149650892 (OP)
Pascal as Reed and Kirby a Sue are genuinely the reason I didn’t see this.

>>149650984
>she's genuinely excited to play the characater
1. Why does this matter
2. I don’t get that impression at all
3. She doesn’t look like, act like, or fit the role of Sue at all.

>>149651212
>I didn’t see this.
Is all I need to know to not respond to you.

>>149651235
>spoiler alert: you did respond

>>149650937
It's mid shit like most Marvel movies post Endgame.

Marvel fatigue, Pedro Fagscal fatigue, Kirby doesn't fit the character, female Silver Surfer (I'll be jerking off to her tho).

>>149650892 (OP)
Nothing, it's the best comic book movie since 2021.

>>149651212
>She doesn’t look like, act like, or fit the role of Sue at all.
Why does THIS matter? I didn't see you complain about the other 500 times characters got changed in comic adaptations. Do you also wish Civil War was more comic accurate?

>>149651343
Mf admitted he didn't even watch it

I saw it. I thought it was fine. I liked the setting, I liked Galactus, I liked Herbie, I liked the Mole Man. "Fine" isn't good enough.

The pile on its getting has more to do with Marvel/Disney than it has to do with the movie itself.

>>149650892 (OP)
It's a boring movie that isnt inspiring the word of mouth Superman did

>>149650892 (OP)
Marvel is like a crazy bitch of an ex who made you feel like shit and is now homeless under a bridge
I don't feel bad for them. They wanted this. I moved on to green pastures.

>>149650892 (OP)
A lack of action.
Too much time spent hanging around the house.
The Mole Man was more interesting than Galactus.
Galactus in the first movie. Marvel has no understanding of scaling.
Pacing was shit.
Overall it was ok. Ok is not going to rock the box office.

>>149651212
Based

>>149650892 (OP)
I lost interest the second it was a retrofuturistic alternate earth.

It's funny how both this and Superman had average performances, but the media is spinning one as a runaway hit and the other as a disappointing flop.

>>149651343
>didn't see you complain about the other 500 times characters got changed in comic adaptations.
I did though… are you retarded?

>>149651235
You just did though

>>149651343
>I didn't see you complain about the other 500 times characters got changed in comic adaptations.
Everytime people do complain about comic accuracy you tell them to shut up

>>149651368
>>149651343
>>149651235
We get it, shill, you have a job to do. We’re still not gonna watch the movie. Now fuck off and stop samefagging.

>>149650892 (OP)
>What went wrong

Naked Gun sweep baby, #NakedGunSweep

>>149650892 (OP)
All the interesting stories were in the montage at the beginning of the movie. You need ridiculously over the top villains to make up for the team's lack of charisma. She-Surfer was a stick in the mud and Galactus can only do so much.

>>149650971
Alba as Sue Storm was my crush as a kid

>>149651928
Bad Guys 2 as well. Don't forget. We need both Naked Gun and Bad Guys 2 to succeed

>>149650892 (OP)
I agree with what anons in other threads have said: Fantastic Four is outdated. They were popular in the 60s/70s and have never been popular since. They either need to be modernized or retired.

>>149652000
> we need
who is we? what is the ideology you are pushing

>>149651980
Marvel loves doing that. They did it in the first Captain America and the second Thor movie, they put all the cool stuff in a montage and the rest of the movie is just you wishing they elaborated on that

>>149651304
It's actually a self contained movie that can stand on its own. Unlike everything else other than Iron Man 1.

>>149650971
Based
>>149651980
I 'member lots of people bitched about Dr Doom not being comic accurate in the 2005 movie, but the new one isn't comic accurate either, either they think he's too hard to adapt or just don't want to bother

>>149651996
Same I loved the first movie and the second wasn’t bad either. Much better surfer in that than this at least.

>>149652021
Nobody said this. Obvious bot post.

>>149652021
>t-t-they needed to be modernized!
It almost feels like there was an internal struggle in the company and now competing factions have PR bots out pushing narratives because this idea is thing nobody actually believes yet keeps getting parroted.

If anything they were modernized. Sue was too prominent, you had a female surfer, Reed was a mehican. They should have been more conservative.

>>149652133
Why is the MCU anti-ham?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi86yeXB9pI

>>149652059
All of us

>>149650892 (OP)
becauase it's set in the past

>>149652141
You know for me, its sequel RotSS was an improvement over the first, even though I liked both movies as just fun, brainless, entertaining popcorn flicks of the 2000s.

>>149651212
This. But I would disagree and say as bad as pascal is Sue is indeed worse. Both were major turn offs for me though.

Ffs Susan is supposed to have yellow-blonde hair not platinum. She Lao not supposed to be a stick figure with a hag face.

>>149650892 (OP)
And Feige wants these guys in Doomsday???

People complaining about the 4 hanging out too much don't know how to write stories. It did a good job of making them a believable family/friend group. I will agree with another anon in this thread though, that the scale is kind of insane for the first movie. Though I suppose we're following this up with travelling thru the multiverse and battle world so I guess Galactus in comparison isn't that wild. With that said, Galactus also came off as kind of an idiot in this. Why didn't he just tractor beam up Franklin? I thought the Silver Surfer was cool when she was surfing through planet core lava and the FTL scene. Ironically she needed more screen time, her betrayal of Galactus is kind of abrupt. Wouldn't this mean he's gonna just eat her planet now? Reed said he'd be stranded in space but he was able to, quite easily, return to the portal he was shoved through by Sue. The CGI was definitely pretty rough across the board. The score, setting, and set design were all very good. Overall, this movie is pretty inoffensive and a good intro to these characters. It's not gonna blow any minds but compared to most other marvel projects for the last few years its a step in the right direction

>>149650971
Kino

For me, the biggest issue is the teamwork sucks. For a team of superfamily and all that dynamics the final fight sucks balls. Sue does most of the job of pushing galactus. Superman and the Justice Gang have better teamwork than this.

Also yeah, why did they even bother to tell the people that Galactus wants Franklin? They could just easily said that Galactus can't be reasoned with.

Not related, but when they first meet Galactus, it feels like Transformers 1986 reference

>>149650892 (OP)
I just never go to theaters more than once a month and this movie had the misfortune of releasing after Superman.

>Adapt Coming Of Galactus. Again.
>Do it worse.
>Could have easily cut out all of Franklin's stuff and introduced Alicia.
>Don't have Galactus talk much.
Really should of done like...I dunno, some version of the Frightful Four.

Not enough action. Pedro was a bad casting choice but he was fine in the movie. Now if they didn't make him the dumbest suppose genius in the world would help but you need a smart writer to do that and I don't think the MCU has anyone up for that task.

Superman was better.

>>149650892 (OP)
No one cares about the Fantastic Four and frankly no one cares about Marvel characters who aren't Spider-Man and the X-Men. The MCU rode a novelty where normies pretended they were fans of Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man. But that novelty expired with Avengers Endgame. By now even a an Iron Man movie will go back to having a weak box office. Look if the last Batman movie managed to NOT reach a billion than a lesser super hero like Iron Man has less popularity. Needless to say the other Marvel characters have nothing going for themselves especially the Fantastic Four who are historic failures at the box office.

The only evergreen properties Marvel truly has are Spider-Man and X-Men. And who knows maybe the new X-Men movie will be a failure.

>>149652000
>Bad Guys 2

I want that horrible movie to fail. The only people who liked that horrible trash are animal fucker furries. And the moral of the Bad Guys movies is shit, be a female criminal and get away with all your crimes. Shitty Mary Sue shit. I hope everyone who makes those movies dies a painful death of cancer.

>>149650892 (OP)
It was good when they were in space, the problem is the rest of the movie was just them talking in their penthouse and Galactus being powerless against Sue at the end

>>149650892 (OP)
It was genuinely just the casting immedaitely handicapping it out of the gate. Pascal not only doesn’t fit the rol, hes also getting old and isn’t exactly a looker, he’s become overexposed which turns people off and he’s become divisive to some with his political shit. Add in a less than stunning female co-star and it’s a tough sell for a summer blockbuster. People like attractive casts.

>>149653418
>Galactus being powerless against Sue at the end
Woke as fuck

>>149651307
This and Marvel just generally failing to get people invested in a post-End Game MCU.
They really just need to take a break from the MCU stuff for a few years, and then start making films again without the weight of decades of film history dragging the narrative down.

>>149653731
>the weight of decades of film history dragging the narrative down.
Fantastic Four was completely self contained, the problem is just Fiege is retarded, no matter what they do nothing will work as long as that retarded asshat is in charge

>>149652141
>Nobody said this. Obvious bot post.
Literally go look in the other threads you brain dead mouse shill. Lots of people are saying it.

>>149652021
Absolutely retarded take the problem is this movie was almost entirely spent sitting around just talking, that is not even remotely an issue of the source material

>>149650892 (OP)
I doubt the casting choices had a big impact, normies love Pedro Pascal regardless of how much /co/ hates him (I'm not even sure why). I rather think it's a combination of:

>superhero/marvel fatigue
The genre isn't dead yet, but the time when people would go see a movie just because it's Marvel is long gone.
>F4's infamous history
To the average moviegoer, the Fantastic Four are a tainted property and a meme franchise. While opinions vary on the quality of the individual movies, in general people just go "F4 = bad" by now.
>lack of visual appeal
I think the retro vibes just don't click with the audience, at least in this context.

>>149650892 (OP)
The casting for one, which killed it right out of the gate. Starting off with a literal 50 Y/O and some no-name hag was a death sentence. And them going for a heckin silly and goofy "retrofuture" tone after a string of failures. The FF haven't sold well in ages because they're largely static in their dynamic and basic in their powers. People forget that the MCU got built off actually cool, in the general sense of the word, characters. Stark was a handsome supergenius billionaire in a cool suit of armour who could fly, shoot and do all sorts of stuff, while driving sports cars and beating up robots. Cap was a more kid friendly basic boomer Arnie/Sly soldier power fantasy, with H2H, guns and all that. Thor was a god with a hammer bringing down the thunder. And so on. All these characters are cool. Men want to be them, women want them. That's the basic formula. And then you have FF which is the guy who does all the work, his wife, her little brother stuck in arrested development, and the poor fuck of a friend whose life got ruined. That's a very rigid dynamic that gets old fast.

To make people interested in the property, you up the spectacle. You focus on the Sci-Fi aspect and do plenty of stuff with the exploration and cosmic villains. That's the way to sell the FF. You write the characters tightly and focus on the greater narrative to provide a different kind of spectacle. The movie should've been modeled after Interstellar or 2001 or whatever else. Instead they had a single space scene, where they're mostly inside a spaceship and... that's it. The rest is just them moping around their house and sometimes going out on an empty street. They start off with quite frankly the movie star equivalent of geriatrics, and give them a kid, write off all the backstory in a montage reel that they didn't even include, and as it stands you've got a bunch of corny middle aged people just... eating dinner and having a kid.

1/2

>>149654227
But the biggest problem was the cast. Everyone is some variation of average to ugly looking. The chemistry is non-existent. Pascal continues playing himself. He and Kirby have 0 chemistry between them, and she plays better off Quinn. The Ben guy looks like he wants to die in every interview and that carries over in a lifeless performance. But they don't feel like this supposedly close-knit family unit, especially since they're supposed to be years into the job. They are more like coworkers acting like they're pals than anything else. So the whole "cutesy" aspect is shut down, and without any cool factor, of them being handsome and ultra-competent fantasy scientists, you're not left with anything. It's just a generic capeflick where the big bad giant comes in at the end of the third act, fumbles around like a retarded Godzilla, is basically punched to submission and that's it, the movie ends.

FF needs a great a cast to carry it, and also wondrous visuals and imagination. The budgets don't allow for such spectacle, and so you're left with a great cast, which they completely fumbled. They needed a hot woman for Sue, a hot guy for Johnny and an authoritative and handsome white man for Reed who comes off as the world's smartest man. Fagscal literally has no air of authority around him, the man stands and gawks like a moron. It's telling that everyone they courted passed on it because the script was abysmal and Reed basically comes off as a retard who doesn't even have the stones to be the leader. It's a very Sue-centric iteration so it's no wonder they couldn't attract any genuine talent. And that's what killed it. Capeflicks made bank with hot stars and good action. Remove all that, and nobody cares.

The hilarious thing is that in 10 minutes I can write a better premise and incorporate them into the MCU. They should've just dropped more money at Gyllenhaal or Driver, or at the very least went with a younger cast like that You guy. The casting killed it.

>>149650892 (OP)
>Pascal
Anyways, are Reed's organs elastic too? I know Ben's are solid

It just felt really choppy, you can tell a lot of stuff was edited out.

>>149650892 (OP)
The Fantastic Four themselves were fine, but the villains are really lame and boring, and the final "fight" scene are really uninspired with everyone doing individual attacks instead of working together, minus Johnny crashing on Galactus while carrying Ben instead of dropping him on top of Galactus or something.

>>149654227
>>149654233
>a hot guy for Johnny
Nicholas Galitzine definitely would've been a suitable choice. He almost could have been but when he sought to audition. Marvel had already decided on Joseph Quinn. What a shame.

>>149651886
Because Superman's performance isn't mediocre for a DC film. I don't know why that's so hard to understand the movie has outgrossed the last 9 DCEU films. Its only a failure to retards who want to call it a failure.

Fantastic Four meanwhile is being judged against other Marvel films where it is by large just as much a failure as the last few MCU films have been. And its not on track to beat Superman, which is probably the first time DC has ever beaten Marvel at the box office.

>>149654441
Its not just another failure for the MCU its another failure for Disney after a string of underperforming films. Lilo and Stitch is basically the only real success they had this year.

>>149650892 (OP)
Why does Sue look so fucking bogged? Absolutely disgusting.

>>149650892 (OP)
So box office crap is all that matters.

>>149654899
The general discussion moving towards BO mainly came from 1) The deminishing quality of the MCU and capeshit in general, seeking newer ways to punch the bag, and 2) Post-Covid theater landscape has changed considerably, to the point that there's no way of telling what's going to be a hit or not, so discussion is more prominent.
The Supes and FF discourse has showed that people now discuss the box office as much as the movie itself, sometimes even more.

"The Fantastic Four are my favorite superhero team!" said absolutely no one I've ever met. I'm nearly convinced that any hype for them is purely manufactured. I think the only people who like FF these days are just reading it for Doom.

>>149655137
were you just bouncing up and down in your chair waiting for box office results so when it flopped you could screech about how this totally means nobody ever liked the F4

>>149655122
>The Supes and FF discourse has showed that people now discuss the box office as much as the movie itself, sometimes even more.
That was always part of company wars bullshit.

>>149650892 (OP)
People say 90% of the movie is them sitting in a penthouse, with 10 minutes of action at the end against Galactus. Is this true?

>>149650971
I know it's bait but few things make my blood boil more than people who don't read comics criticizing casting choices based purely on how similar they are to previous movie adaptations.

>>149655240
Yeah, but it has now reached general audiences who are not an active part of fandom

>>149654441
The new FF is a better movie than Superman. More original direction, with less tired cliches and almost no trademark MCU quips, all the while Superman is drowning in those. But FF is inherently a harder sell to normies than Superman, the concept is simply not that cool and exciting to them.

>>149650892 (OP)
It has the opposite problem of Superman where that had way too much shit happening while this has barely anything happening. Should added more action sequences with their rogue gallery. Like Mad Thinker, Puppet Master and The Wizard all exist and are around but we don’t see them

Is it true the movie is Invisible Woman girlboss based?

>>149655309
To be fair, Vanessa probably does have more testosterone than Pedro Pascal.

>>149655293
>More original direction
You might as well say you have no idea what you're talking about. What the fuck is "original direction"?

>>149655315
I think a used condom would have more testosterone in it than Pedro Pascal.

>>149655309
>Invisible Woman girlboss based
So is every FF comic released in the last 30 years trying to compensate for the first 30 years where she was a useless damsel in distress in occasional skimpy outfits.

>>149655252
There's only two action sequences in the film, in the middle and final act; most of the film is the FF seeking solutions for Galactus and dealing with Reed and Sue's parenting.
Personally, I realy liked how the film emphazised the FF as a team of scientists before superheroes, but I also understand that most of casual audiences want more flashy action.

>>149655309
Not really, the film is mainly driven by both Reed and Sue.

>>149655329
Retrofuturism. Compare it to every other attempt at bringing FF to the big screen. All the four previous movies tried to lazily/awkwardly bring them to the contemporary world. Also compare it to the regular generic MCU setting that doesn't stand out whatsoever. This movie has a distinct stylistic direction, not to mention it's the first self-contained MCU movie in ages, taking place in a different universe. No coming of age origin story because everyone is sick of those (though to be fair, Superman did that too). I can respect these things, they show they're trying to experiment rather than rely on the stale formula in everything.

>>149655239
Not at all. I have no hate for FF. I just think they work better as side characters than the featured heros.

The writing and pacing made it feel like a fan film.
Only a certain portion of modern audiences are already fans for the Fantastic Four to a degree where they can appreciate that. This movie does nothing to make the characters or premise appealing to newcomers.

>>149651886
Context will do that.

>>149655295
I can think of no higher compliment than to be mistaken for Doom. Thank you Anon.

>>149655370
Context? In social media?

>>149655373
>your 10 dollar check from the Latverian trust has been deposited

>>149655386
Ah, a blessed day indeed.

>>149651842
>Too much time spent hanging around the house.
Not that audiences would know this from the trailers, but at the same time, they released a lot of trailers that did not show the F4 going on wild adventures and fighting super villains or really doing anything heroic. It was always
>kitchen scene
>press conference
>kitchen scene again
>talk show scene
>walking around the city/shots of retro future people
>more kitchen scene
>flying car
>Sue and Reed laying in bed
>two of more characters standing next to a window looking out at the city
>closest thing to action is either Johnny flying around, or Ben and Sue fighting falling debris on an empty street
>kitchen.

The music tries to tell you this is epic and huge and exciting, but the scenes they chose to show for every trailer were mostly boring shit, or Pedro staring into the camera and giving his pouty/concerned face. We knew Galactus was in it, but we don't see them fighting him. We don't see them fighting anyone or even something small like grabbing a civilian out of danger. Intentionally or not, it sold the movie as very melodramatic and low action.

>>149655340
>Personally, I realy liked how the film emphazised the FF as a team of scientists before superheroes, but I also understand that most of casual audiences want more flashy action.
Retard them sitting around talking barely showed of them as scientist the scene with the neutron star (you know of the scenes with all the flashy action you hate) did a better job portraying that then any of their conversations in the apartment

>>149655435
>Ignoring the constant displays the film has of the team doing science work throught it's runtime.
And nice leap you did there to say I hated the Black Hole squence without a single argument.

>>149655352
I really wouldn't call it a deviation from the formula, and I say it as someone who liked the film. On the contrary, it plays pretty safe. Decently executed, but safe. Beyond the visual presentation, the film sticks to most MCU conventions, not doing anything innovative in a structural level. Some time ago, it was said the film would play like Gerwig's Little Women, taking place through two different timeframes jumping from one to another. THAT would've been innovative, at least for the genre, or having the film take place through the entire decade to have it be both an FF story and a journey through the whole period (like Life Story, but hopefully better).

>>149650892 (OP)
Should have characterized them like their Rivals personalities people love them in Rivals

If we banned box office number threads do you think the quality of discussion around new releases would be improved slightly

>>149651304
And its still the best of the post end game movies

>>149655544
With how incapable people here seem to discuss he quality of a film without derailing I doubt it.

>>149655551
>>149655544

More then likely the threads would just devolve into the basic "it's woke!" Type culture war bullshit more then usual

>>149655386
>dollars
>in Latveria

>>149655532
Fuck no

>>149655549
I haven't seen much of post-Endgame MCU, but even tho I liked FF I think GotG 3 and Thunderbolts were better. They just feel like more complete pieces.

>>149655563
Lord Doom works in mysterious ways

>>149655544
At minimum, people posting tomatometer or metacritic scores should be banned on sight.

>>149655570
Reminder

>>149655563
What's the currency of latveria
doomllars?

>>149651916
They got their work cut out for them on this one

>>149655590
Google saysbits a Franc for some reason.

>>149655293
That's your opinion but it is completely unrelated to what I said. Superman is a success because its it has demolished the last 9 DCEU films at the box office.

>>149653952
>normies love Pedro Pascal regardless of how much /co/ hates him (I'm not even sure why).
he said he's ok with transexuals so 4chan hates him.

>>149651343
>Do you also wish Civil War was more comic accurate?

Yes

>>149650892 (OP)
Marvel's fault.
Go anti woke, go broke.

>>149651980
Must have been so weird being a normie and seeing Mr fantastic kick a a random ape and be told "when they stopped Red ghost"

>>149654227
Fantastic four are explorers and they keep instead having their films take place almost entirely on earth.

It should be Reed in his lab creating a device to a parallel dimension or the negative zone or space ship to another galaxy. They all get stranded there, have to work together to escape and save the day.

>>149655549
Nah. GG3 and Thunderbilts clear this mid shit.

>>149650892 (OP)
I skipped this because i'm tired of seeing pascal's face.

>>149656473
Yeah, but honestly this is the kind of filter stuff /co/ should approve of.

>>149653326
The only time X-Men enjoyed that level of Spider-Man or Batman-tier popularity was with 90s kids when that specific version of their cartoon was running. The movies were never as big with mainstream audiences as Spider-Man, or any Batmans since TDK. They got upstaged and outperformed by Deadpool, their own comedy spinoff. Fans keep pretending an MCU X-Men reboot is a can't-miss sure thing, but it's really not. A lot of the older movies performed like a lower-tier MCU movie or worse.

>>149650892 (OP)
Superman happened, obviously.

Releasing F4 two weeks after a movie about the most famous superhero of all time is one of the blunders of the century.

Man of Steel proved that even shitty Superman movies make money, and Supes 2025 is far from shitty. Meanwhile, F4 has never taken off as a franchise despite multiple reboots. An Avengers or Spidey movie could have beaten Superman, but F4? Fucking delusional. Marvel was beyond retarded to force a showdown with DC over this.

They should have just released F4 in early May, released Thunderbolts in February, and Captain America 4 just shouldn't have been made in the first place.

>>149651343
>Do you also wish Civil War was more comic accurate?
Hell yes, what kind of stupid question is that? MCU' Civic Brawl being so small and empty was obvious for all but the most stupid disneyshills. Yeah, genius, OF COURSE we'd rather have an actual war between huge groups of characters from the comics instead of one airport fight, you sure got us there, buddy.

>>149653326
>No one cares about Marvel characters who aren't Spider-man or X-Men
You'd think people would stop saying this objectively stupid statement considering the past 20 years of media.

>>149656683
That's not true at all. X-Men was the comic king of the 70s, 80s, and 90s far before the cartoon. 1991's X-Men #1 sold over 8 million copies and is still the best selling floppy of all time. And the movies were massive hits. Capeshit and blockbusters in general making a billion wasn't a norm until the mid MCU and the original X-Men trilogy performed just a tad worse than Spider-Man. Both were game changing box office hits back in the 00s. Even the later Foxmen movies did pretty good for themselves at the box office despite their low quality. The reason Ike couldn't phase the X-Men out like he did the Fantastic Four is because the comics sold too well for him to justify murdering the line. Also the X-Men don't just have one successful cartoon, they had THREE. Wolverine and the X-Men was a success it was only cancelled because the Disney buyout caused them to lose their funding for season 2. It would have been a long runner had it not been for that.

>>149650937
>boring movie
>reed is smart but is not creative with his powers/cannot stretch really much
>galactus doesnt behaves like an unstoppable force at all
>johnny and thing's cgi looked kinda shit honestly.
>vanessa kirby ultra bogged face.

>>149655564
This is why the movie failed

I really really thought the movie was maybe going interesting places after the birth scene. But every after that was just so uninspired. Completely dropped the ball imo

My other two big offenses
1. Hardly any fighting together as a team
2. The things character had like 0 development. They didn’t do anything interesting with him at all. His dynamics with other characters stay the same the entire movie. They could have spent 10 minutes somewhere doing SOMETHING with him other than exchanging a few words with the schoolteacher

>>149650892 (OP)
What are the chances of this making Pedro more """"""""anxious"""""" so he touches more women

>>149651886
Nigga EVERYONE is seeing Supermog
Pretty much everyone I know saw and loved Superman
So far I only know 2 people that saw Fagtastic Four and only 1 liked it

>>149657430
Given that Thing is probably the most popular member of the group with comic fans it's an odd choice.

>>149653605
You're actually retarded if you believe that

>>149650892 (OP)
You know I wonder if they didn't announce RDJ as Doom if the box office will be better. Like I feel that choice killed hype more than anything.

>>149651842
>Galactus in the first movie
Legit, what else do they have for the FF, since Doom is clearly the big threat of the arc now?

>>149657554
I guess they knew about Ben's popularity beforehand, and so wanted to well to audiences the other members, specially since Reed will be one of the leads in Doomsday/SW. I'd loved to get more of Ben, but ultimately the story revolves around Reed and Sue's parenting so they'd naturally be the one's to get the most focus.

>>149657600
While I think Galactus was a poor choice for the first movie they still have Annihilus to fall back on for a sequel. A lot of the big-name villains associated with them have been used elsewhere in the MCU since they're not exclusive FF villains and Marvel had the rights to them so I'm not sure where they'll go from there. Probably Psychoman and Malice.

>>149657695
>Psycho Man
I doubt they'd touch anything Microverse related in a while

>>149657721
Ultimate Psycho-Man has no connections to the Microverse so they can just pull from that and make him the leader of Zenn-La or another planet. It'd allow them to bring Surfer back and tie things into the first film.

>>149657430
The 2005 film was very Thing-focused, and this film wanted to be anti-that in every way.

>>149654441
Fantastic Four also ties in to their next billion-dollar Avengers event. They need people excited about Doctor Doom because they have nothing left.

Also worth noting is that Superman is a huge domestic hit. If the international audience is truly gone for superhero (and maybe blockbuster) movies, then this is something Marvel/Disney has to be very concerned with. Their recent films always have frontloaded openings but weak legs right after.

>>149650892 (OP)
>I blame the casting
You would be correct to do so. Pascal killed hype immediately upon being announced.

>>149657617
>Reed will be one of the leads in Doomsday/SW
This is a major mistake if so. They really, really need to either kill him off and recast with a different universe reed (and sue) or downplay them a la she-hulk.

>>149659084
The HEAVY implication of RDJ's Doom being from the FF's world suggests they'll play into Reed and Victor's rivalry to some degree, so downplaying them would feel off.
Of course I'd preffered saving Doom for a proper FF sequel instead of a last minute plan to save a shitty crossover but hell what can I do.

>>149657600
>Mole man
Would be fun but also allow them to do a journey to the center of the earth adventure film and use campy stuff like the lava men
>annihilus/blastaar/negative zone
if they wanted to send them back into space in an ill-fated attempt to fix Ben - exploring the origin and Reed’s driving conflict while telling a new story. Blastaar would have allowed them to tease annihilus as a bigger bad too.
>doom/doombots
which would give him a reason to grow stronger later
>Namor
Instead of making him Mexican and slapping him in black panther
>black panther
If they didn’t make it a period piece, or even if they did and just make it t’challa’s father
>mahkizmo/thundra
if they wanted to lean into gender politics
>impossible man
If they wanted to build up cosmic more
>deathlok
could have been co-opted to do a “good-science va bad-science” storyline.

>>149659209
>it would feel off
You act like they didn’t use kang and black panther without having a reed…

>>149659234
Yeah, that was a bummer, but in the context of only the films, they didn't build those characters around their connections to the FF. First Steps on the other hand contains alusions to Doom, so there is a prior establishment for this version.

>>149651886
Concentrated shill campaign

>>149659264
>Critical Drinker

>>149659259
They still haven’t built doom on the FF connection. They have a radioactive cast and a lukewarm reception to the film. The idea that pascal is going to carry the franchise is insane.

Recast with an Alt U reed and sue, downplay pascal reed/kirby sue, or continue to tank. Thats their options.

>>149659259
It’s a post credit scene for a movie nobody saw dude, you’re acting like he was actually in the movie lol

>>149655309
>Sue screams and solos Galactus all the way to portal while the rest of the useless men watch or support her in minor ways ("WOW BEN YOU REALLY KNOCKED OVER THAT BUILDING HE WAS BARELY HOLDING ON TO, GREAT JOB!")
>Fem Surfer delivers the final blow
It's woke as fuck.

>>149659295
They' don't have much else going for them unless a lot of people have big roles in Doomsday who haven't been announced yet.

Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Deadpool and Wolverine are the stars of their highest-crossing recent movies and none of them have been announced. Even Wanda and Vision have things going for them (hit TV show, nostalgia for the pre-2020 Avengers) that most of the announced characters don't, but they're likely not in it.

If they're really saving most of the good characters for Secret Wars then FF become the stars by default because their movie didn't flop (like Thunderbolts) and wasn't in any way controversial.

>>149659300
There's the empty Latverian chair, showcasing how the nation is already isolated and does not partake in the utopian reality. It's a small detail (as I said, they've given hints), but there is a foundation in there.

>>149659333
I think they'll save Jackman and Reynolds (alongside other leacy cameos) for Secret Wars; given what we know of Doomsday, they want to highlight the rest of the X-Men.

>>149659385
I mean, I guess, but most of the rest of the X-Men were most recently seen in movies that underperformed. Deadpool & Wolverine used the single most popular X-Men character that everybody knows, rightly believing this would help it make lots of money.

Infinity War had every big star they could possibly get into it, it would have been weird if they'd decided to save Iron Man and Captain America for the next movie.

Maybe it's out of necessity, but Doomsday is not a sure thing like Infinity War was, and if it doesn't do well relative to its massive budget then it won't matter who is in Secret Wars.

>>149651886
it’s about expectations and broader trends. Marvel is dying, DC is bouncing back.

>>149659264
>200+225=700

>>149650892 (OP)
The most egregious being Ebon Moss-Bachrach for Ben. What the fuck were they thinking? A guy who sounds like Troy Baker with less range to play the best character in the Fantastic Four? His voice acting was terrible in this movie. If I closed my eyes I couldn't even guess who it was between the 3 male members. His tough guy New Yorker personality, accent and voice were all gone. They made him pedestrian as fuck and he hardly did anything the entire movie. His CGI was some of the worst I've seen too. His mouth did not sync with his dialogue at all. I absolutely refuse to believe CGI was more cost effective than Michael Chiklis in a bodysuit. Colossal failure by Marvel. The MCU is dead.

>>149660460
You know it’s funny, as bad as Johnny looks, and mostly because of the haircut, Hes really the only one that isnt woefully miscast. Like, give him a proper side part normal haircut and he’d actually be pretty solid.

>>149659536
>DC is bouncing back.
lol nah marvel has sucked since the winter solider but let’s not stretch reality and act like anything DC has made is actually good. Pure shill narrative to act like Superman is some universally belov3d movie, it’s only marginally more well-received than the shitty reeves Batman movie.

>>149650971
I want to teach her Spanish

>>149660670
I thought the same thing. Torch hard carried that movie. Quinn acted circles around the rest of the cast and was the only one who felt like he wanted to even be there.

I'M A BOX OFFICE FAILURE, YES I AM

>>149650892 (OP)
Because it was not enough for this movie to be just okay, it needed to be... fantastic.

Joking aside, you can tell they were trying, but I don't think they're trying the right thing.

Will Disney try to finds a Gunn knockoff to direct the next Marvel movie or attempt it themselves?

>>149650892 (OP)
Pedro. Also based off what I heard the writers didn't understand f4 and just wanted a girl boss. Tf you have reed and Galactus and bro doesn't even make the ultimate nullifier. Niggas making comic book movies don't read comics is the bottom line. They should just hire comic writers at this point.

>>149650892 (OP)
It was boring

>>149651343
You didn't hear us complain about Pedro instantly the moment they announced it? We literally said no as soon as we heard Pedro Reed and then your surprised we still didn't go see it lol

>>149657203
This is what pisses me off and shows me the creatives are not creative. How the fuck do you have beyond 1000 IQ and can't imagine ways to use your powers. Smfh

>>149657554
And then they fuck it up and the actor can't even speak with the things cadence. Bro just talked normal didn't even sound like he was from yancy

>>149659209
What fucking rivalry. The movies showed nothing.

>>149662022
The hints of the FF already knowing Doom.

>>149657173
>thread about movies and adaptations
>anon brings up popularity in comics, which has zero relevance to what anyone else is talking about
For what it's worth, X-Men weren't kings of anything in the 70s, the book really didn't take off until the 80s, and it's hilarious how much X-fags reee and seethe about Jim Lee every da yet they'll still always bring up the "best selling comic of all time" as a flex even though they know it only sold that well because he drew it.

And if you actually look up how most of the X-Men books were selling around 2015, a lot of those sales figures are so bad you might cry. FF actually was outselling a lot of the line and Marvel cancelled FF anyway.

As for how the movies performed
> X-Men: $296.3 million
>X2: $407.7 million
>X-Men: The Last Stand: $460.4 million
>Spider-Man 1: $825.8 million
>Spider-Man 2: $795.9 million
>Spider-Man 3: $891.6 million
We're not talking "just a tad worse" here, Spider-Man's bringing in almost twice the audience X-Men did. Other big movie franchises of the era like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter and Pirates were doing as well or even better. X-Men was doing well enough to get sequels, but wasn't in the same league as the real big boys, no matter how much you wish it was.

>Also the X-Men don't just have one successful cartoon, they had THREE.
No, they had two, but Evolution had surprisingly little legacy or impact except Evo Rogue waifufags still being a thing almost 25 years later. WATXM didn't really make as much of an impact, and nobody really seems to care about it except the freaks who actually like the 2000s comics it's inspired by. The Spider-Man and Avengers cartoons of the same era are better remembered.

>>149662691
Ehm, You aren't supposed to acknowledge the emperor's new clothes

>>149655255
I think Sue in this was pretty good. Pedro Reed feels too mumbly with 0 confidence

>>149659321
>solos
>Dies after pushing him a bit

>>149650892 (OP)
How many fantastic four movies are they going to make before they finally learn that the fantastic four is boring

>>149650892 (OP)
racist gunntards calling everyone a monkey.

>>149655255
That’s cute and all but they dont resemble Susan or reed visually or character wise at all so what the fuck are you saying?

>>149664836
>How many fantastic four movies are they going to make before they finally learn that the fantastic four is boring
Yeah because it's totally the norm for the fantastic four to just sit around talking and then Sue grrlpowers mother fucking Galactus, it couldn't possibly the fault of bad adaptations.

>>149660861
I’d see a movie with him and holland’s Spider-Man being bros

>>149650892 (OP)
>What went wrong?
I think they tried too hard to keep it "comfy". This movie was the first time *ever* that I thought the civilians in the marvel universe were being far too forgiving and reasonable.

>>149650892 (OP)
i hate the suits they look like ugly sweaters
>m-maybe thats the point
still look bad

>>149665299
Funny I think the costumes are literally only good sort of the entire mess.

>>149665381
Only good part*

>>149650892 (OP)
Thing didn't want to say Clobbering Time.

>>149650892 (OP)
superman still hasn't surpassed man of steel.

>another movie featuring pedro pascal
ywan

>>149665502
I know none of you were watching The Materialists or Eddington.

>>149665529
>watching The Materialists or Eddington.
should I care?

>>149665529
I've seen everything he's been in this year besides that Weird Tales movie

Just saw it, I liked it. It was good but felt a bit messy with cutting from one scene to the other sometimes. But it wasn't half bad, I enjoyed it.

>>149665694
If you're complaining about seeing him to much I imaging you'd be watching those. cause those are the only movies he's in besides FF this year.

>>149650892 (OP)
I think everyone but the most diehard fans knows it’s been over for a long time.
There was stilly plenty of interest in Mrvel after Endgame, but Fiege wanted this instead

>>149665888
i avoid anything he is featured in though. F4 was an exception simply because my friends planned to go and was invited so there was no reason to be rude with them over pedo pascal

>>149650892 (OP)
Superman won.
>>149651886
>>149655293
>>149659264
>>149660684
Mousecucks are seething.
Half the thread or more is too busy talking about Superman. That tells you everything you need to know about Didney’s latest flop.

>>149666115
>Anons shitting on supernan is a good thing

>>149650971
Based

>>149666221
>mousecucks needing to devote more of their energy to attacking Superman than praising the film meant to save the MCU means Didney won, actually

>Because Superman's performance isn't mediocre for a DC film

Aquaman and Joker both made a billion 5 years ago. Superman isn't even going to gross as much as those two did internationally alone. So for DC these numbers still aren't good.

>>149667845
Meant for >>149654441

>>149651313
cap

>>149652133
>either they think he's too hard to adapt or just don't want to bother
They must not want to bother. They just need to approach him like Lucas approached Darth Vader, but that requires an actual vision. Can't have that, the investors and test screeners may not like it.

>>149668818
nah cap 4 sucked

>>149668818
>Talking like a 12 year old
You're pathetic.

>>149650892 (OP)
I just didn't like how their world felt very shallow. For how cool the sets looked, there's absolutely no supporting characters and people react to these massive events like background NPCs. The Thing says "things are getting bad out there" because one guy was rude to him on the street and there's like, maybe 200 people protesting outside. How is the world not breaking down their doors? Nobody has agency aside from the F4, which is an issue when the stakes are this planetary, and the F4 themselves aren't entertaining enough characters to carry it as they seemingly have no personal conflicts within themselves. At most Sue gets mad at Reed for being too logical in one scene but that doesn't really go anywhere.

>>149664836
eh, if they just made the entire movie like the space part it would be good. that's actually the only reason I saw the movie, the trailers looked meh but the space exploration part looked cool and my gut was right that was the only good part. I don't get why they didn't just make an entire movie of them doing space stuff like Star Trek.

>>149667845
Aquaman 1 came out in 2018 and Joker was in 2019 Anon. 6 and 7 years respectively.

>>149669052
There's a not insignificant chance that they'll be ripped out of their universe. Might've made writing supporting characters there, or keeping scenes about them, harder.

>>149669127
I'm sure they will but for this movie it makes it difficult for me to care about anything going on when the world they're fighting to save feels completely fake.

>>149650892 (OP)
Just like Fatal Fury: City Of The Wolves, goofy cast choices ruin things that were going to be good.

>>149657133
Name one (1) scene in the original Civil War that was more hype than Cap vs Tony vs Bucky

>>149651343
>I didn't see you complain about the other 500 times characters got changed in comic adaptations
Like fucking constantly, you tourist

>>149657600
>Legit, what else do they have for the FF
You play it like the fucking comic book did, the one you clearly never read

>>149651928
>Naked Gun sweep baby,
>oh christ a rema–
>he's Frank Drebin Jr., hmm
>the entire Police Squad team are the kids of the original team

>>149652021
>They were popular in the 60s/70s and have never been popular since
The Byrne and Simonson runs in the 80s were ridiculously popular you fucking zoomer

>>149651928
The Naked Gun sequel reviewing better than Superman and Fantastic 4 so far is a pleasant surprise.

>>149669433
I chuckled at the O.J. joke in the trailer honestly.

>>149669455
How could you not

>>149669127
almost as if it were a stupid decision to set it there that bit them in the ass

>>149655583
>The audience score is all that matters.
Yes.

>>149661921
>Niggas making comic book movies don't read comics is the bottom line.
Because the current crop of comic book writers don't read comics either

>>149669457
Low hanging fruit I guess, but it would feel wrong if they didn't have it there.

>>149650892 (OP)
MSheU crap script. Pedro touchy feely creep we're all sick of. Invisible walled hag. No personality Thing without the accent. Johnny the flaming fa...um...Johnny who was always supposed to be straight and we accidently cast the most camp gay actor we could found.

>>149650937
It's the definition of mid drama with almost no action

>>149669700
They didn't cast Neil Patrick Harris though.

>>149669728
Kek. That would have been the brown cherry on the shit sundae.

>>149650892 (OP)
Unironically casting RDJ killed it

>>149653731
>They really just need to take a break from the MCU stuff for a few years
Why aren't they using X-Men?

>>149654233
>at the very least went with a younger cast like that You guy
I would've BEGGED him to be Reed if I was Feige

>>149650892 (OP)
1. No Doom
2. Female Silver Surfer

>>149669890
>No Doom
More like RDJ Doom. People were looking forward to and speculating about the casting for ages, and then they pulled that shit

>>149669890
>No Doom

There was SOME Doom.

>>149650892 (OP)
El Fantastico instead of Krasinski

>>149669900
>More like RDJ Doom
Noah fucking Hawley from Legion on FX could've made a Doom movie instead of that Josh Trank shit

>>149655137
I am genuinely baffled by how anyone thought an FF movie that didn’t feature Doom was a good idea. That’s like a He-Man movie without Skeletor.

Remember back in like 2018/2019 when Fiege said they wanted to focus more on cosmic movies? The fuck happened?
Also, everybody is sick to death of the multiverse. The moment you start using it, audiences mentally check out.

>>149651343
>She doesn’t look like, act like, or fit the role of Sue at all.
>Why does THIS matter?
Kill yourself.
>I didn't see you complain about the other 500 times characters got changed in comic adaptations. Do you also wish Civil War was more comic accurate?
Absolutely. MCU Civil War, or The CW as I like to call it, is easily one of the worst movies. There is nothing at all good about it.

Why weren't there any interesting combo attacks?
Think Guardians/Avengers vs Thanos with Strange portalling Spider-man/Starlord around.

These are characters who've known one another for years and should have tonnes of team based combat experience, instead they just watch as Sue pushes Galactus and then Surfette kamikaze's him to finish him off.

Invincible's opening is still the best demonstration of a super team working together and using their powers to compliment one another https://youtu.be/paVfaD05xuw?feature=shared&t=238

>>149670133
Not a single instance of Reed being used as ammo for a rubber band gun. Fucking bullshit.

>>149670175
Have reed slingshot the thing into galactus while sue puts a forcefield behind galactus' legs and turns human torch invisible.

No one actually cares about the Fantastic Four at all. They are vehicles for Doom, Silver Surfer, Annhilus, etc

>>149669728
They wouldn't be able to get anything done with him and Pedro being too busy fuckin and suckin in a closet or trailer somewhere to actually shoot any scenes.

>>149659550
Their idea is that you have to make twice the entire budget to make even because of the theater cut but they keep throwing out ridiculous numbers for marketing costs, there's no fucking way the marketing was more than the actual budget here

>>149670063
The Marvels happened

>>149670133
The Thing, who's whole thing is clobbering things, doesn't throw a single punch in the whole damn movie.

This movie had only 2 action scenes, and in only one of them they actually use their powers (well Sue and Johnny uses them while the other 2 kinda uses them)

>>149671414
>The Thing, whose whole thing is clobbering things
He can do more things, but writers and normies only see an orange Hulk.

>>149653016
I don't disagree otherwise, but Frightful Four are some of the most boring FF villains and MCU relies on mirror matches way too much. At least you're not suggesting U-Foes like some retarded faggots on this board did.

Marvel bros...

>>149671520
They should have brought in the 4's Khymellian counterpoint, the Force 4, as the bad guys.

>>149650892 (OP)
I'm thinking Bad Guys 2 and Naked Gun are dominating this weekend

>predicting a -66% drop, estimates keep going lower with each update
it's actually over

>capeslop
>shitty sequel to a shitty comedy
>gay furryshit
So nothing to watch again.

So I should watch Superman instead, then?

>>149672013
No, it's awful.
People (shills) will tell you it's second coming of Donner, but it's more Lester.

>>149650892 (OP)
Pedro Pascal fatigue.

>>149662691
NTA, but while Spidey will always have his tier of 'above everyone else', I think you're overplaying how popular EMH was. It was liked, but it's online popularity is kinda boosted by the lack of other good Avengers cartoons.

>>149672013
Yeah, it’s fun.

>>149671971
Should've cast some actual handsome white movie stars and made an action blockbuster, instead of whatever they delivered.

>>149667777
witnessed

Superhero genre is supposed to be escapism for men. As a guy I don't want to emulate, be or look at Pedro Pascal more than I have to. He doesn't exhibit Reed in any way that I would want to emulate. He isn't bombastic, he isn't fantastic and the chemistry between he and Vanessa Kirby is virtually non-existent. Pedro is a homosexual man. Pedro cannot play a heterosexual role in a way that would ever get me to go "Yeah, I'd totally do the same in that situation were I him." The kisses between her and Kirby were painful to watch. Kirby has more physical chemistry with Johnny Storm who is the only male presence allowed to actually guide the movie and I hate that because they could have done so, so much more with him but they didn't. Ben and Johnny don't banter like two old friends would. They don't come off as two men enjoying one another's company and coping through a tough time. These two come off more like cats who have to engage with one another, you know? They're just forced to exist in a scene. Ben has zero character. He's so fantastically boring. I hate him. He feels like the natural evolution of Mark Ruffalo's Hulk.

>Say the line, Hulk
>No
>Say it!
>Hulk SMASH! *jobs*
I can see that happening. We can all see it happening. Hulk looking out of place smashing things in Endgame is legitimately how Marvel views the character. They don't know how to write testosterone with heroic attributes. This movie is proof of that. You mean to tell me an unidentifiable intergalactic threat falls from the sky and the first person who is going to speak up for the family/hero team is the heavily pregnant WIFE? No. They keep trying to inject Girl Boss syndrome and things that would be palatable to female audiences directly into male properties and that just doesn't work because men don't care to highlight women in these shows unless they're cool, beautiful and objects of romance and affection. None of this
>Girls get it done
Tripe. Marvel can't course correct. They will waste RDJ.

>>149667845
Joker isn't a DC film. No, I don't give a fuck what studios made it. That character was an OC, not the Joker. Literally nothing about it has anything to do with comics.

>>149672013
Yes. It's the most faithful adaptation of Superman there has ever been.

>>149672581
>the Fantastic Four would have made a billion if they cast unknown models for every character

Well, the important thing is The Naked Gun did well.

>>149653731
>Marvel just generally failing to get people invested in a post-End Game MCU.
These four could've been our new pillars but chose to chase after women who barely tolerate capeshit instead

>>149650892 (OP)
Then you'd be right, Pedro fucking sucks ass as reed, the thing can't even speak like the thing. And the other2 are fine. Half the team is lame tho so that's literally 50% of your entire team is fucking lame or can't aft or didn't appreciate the character they were given. Fuck em

>>149650937
Stop shilling this Pedro shit, I could list the shit wrong with this movie the fact Galactus is best by a portal and a mousetrap when he can teleport back instantly made 0 sense for one. Reed not making an ultimate nulifier or object to stop him killed reed being important. They should have just aged Franklin up because everything set up in this au universe was pointless and will lead to nothing. They can't write au or multiverse shit because they don't understand it

>>149675070
Is it funny like the original trilogy? I still don't see Liam Neeson as the new Leslie Nielsen.
>both names sound similar
That's the joke?

>>149650892 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Everything.
Just look at the aesthetic in the image you posting.
It's the kind of poster you walk past and don't even acknowledge, which again proves bad aesthetic is better than boring aesthetic because at least it gets people talking and paying attention.

>>149675692

Dunno, waiting to see it myself. But its getting great reviews and audience reaction. We've finally moved on from those Friedberg and Seltzer hacks.

>>149650937
You won't remember this slop two months from now.

>>149671879
T-the M-she-U is saved… disney cooked…

>>149672013
It’s a solid 7. Better if you’re a JLI fan.

>>149671520
I like the U-Foes but they should be in a Hulk film. The MCU has a weird habit of having heroes fight villains outside their rogues gallery for some reason and not in the shared setting way in the I'll poach them sorta deal.

>>149673504
It's advertised as a DC movie and it made 1 billion dollars without China. Superman doesn't have an excuse.

>>149677582
It came out during the peak year of capeshit, and even if the film was ashamd of it's source material, people by association ran to see it. Plus Jonkler was already one of the 5 most popular comic characters.

>>149669074
Still not that long ago for superhero movies.

>>149671520
>but Frightful Four are some of the most boring FF villains
Wizard and Trapster are fine when they're not being treated as jobbers. The problem is the rest of the team keeps rotating because they lost Sandman and Medusa.

>>149675734
Shut up, Boco!

>>149677647
Superman is more popular than The Joker yet his movie will gross way less.

>>149679068
>Superman is more popular than The Joker

the marvel committee will never understand that endgame really was the endgame for a lot of people.
>>149650971
man jessica was so wrong as sue but still...you'll never see anything like that bra and panties scene again.

>>149650971
Alba caused many a boner with just this role alone.

>>149650892 (OP)
I was expecting the world to be destroyed.

>>149679068
Is that how we’re coping with the failure of the MCU?
>this highly successful DC film made slightly less than this record-breaking DC film!
>p-please ignore that both are absolutely shitting on First Steps, which features the return of RDJ and the first appearance of MCU’s Doom, as well as coming at the absolute peak of F4 popularity in living memory thanks to Rivals gooners

>>149679068
>Superman is more popular than The Joker
By what metric?

>>149650892 (OP)
They put the Thing in the corner. The Thing is the best F4 member. He has had the most minis and guest appearances.

>>149650892 (OP)
They had the perfect opportunity to set up Doom and went with a heavily nerfed Galactus instead
It's weird too since they already established planet-tier villains like Dormammu and Galactus being tiers below him just feels wrong

>>149650892 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Nothing, really, the movie is good.

>>149684562
He is not really nerfed and nothing indicate he is below Dormammu.

>>149650892 (OP)
EVERYONE is sick of Pedo Pascal and Susan storm looks ugly as fuck.

Then of course there is only ONE fight in the entire movie with Galactus losing in a very anticlimactic way.

>>149657695
There ain’t gonna be a sequel. Annihilus in anything but Annihilation is dead on arrival

>>149684577
>Solo'd by PPD Sue Storm
>Not nerfed

>>149684562
Doom is nowhere near as cool as you guys like to think he is. The only people who like him have some of the most egregiously bad taste in fiction

>>149650892 (OP)
The hype is around Iron Boy 4 now

>>149684645
Lex Luthor in Superman proved that you could go full ham and people would still love you
I doubt Feige would allow Doom to be ridiculous while playing it straight and be a uncharismatic evil Iron Man instead

>>149684688
Doomwank makes my eyes roll, and audiences will feel the same way. It’s not fun unless he’s your favorite character
It’s another concept in Marvel similar to how they use the multiverse like a crutch right now. It’s just bad writing

>>149684683
MCU last beacon of hope
Dont think Avengers will make as much money as they expect

>>149684645
>>149684720
>the resident Doomh8r is back again
Christ faggot, don't you ever give it a rest? Why can't you accept normalfags like Doom? It's why he appears in games and shows that have nothing to do with the FF. He was in MvC2 and 3 and now Tokon. He was the ultimate bad guy in MUA. Same in Rivals. He appeared in Spider-Man shows without the FF. He was the emergency button for the MCU. People like Doom. Go jerk off to Sue getting railed by Skrulls and fuck off already.

>>149684688
People resonated with Lex being such a fucking hater more than i expected

>>149684733
This shit flopped and Doom isn’t gonna save the MCU. You’re laughably naive to think otherwise

>>149684765
>n-no u
Wow, riveting response. I hope you have a melty when Doom keeps making bank regardless of the FF or whatever else.

>>149684683
If they nail the Scorpion into Venom transition properly it could probably save the MCU by a couple of movies
You just know that they'd release stupid shit nobody likes like Shang Chi 2 and Black Panther 3 after Iron Boy 4

>>149659264
56 trillons to make even.

>>149684778
I can’t imagine how much of a moron you are to think what you said was witty. You’re a slop guzzling retard

>>149684783
>Shang Chi 2
Nah they are too scared now to make shit like this
>Black Panther 3
Aint Wakanda stuff always a hit?

>>149684804
Nigger, I'm literally just calling you a retarded cunt, none of it is meant to be witty. You're such a pathetic slimeball you're instantly recognisable in an anonymous Cambodian life insurance imageboard due to how much of a one-note whiny faggot you are.

>>149650892 (OP)
Mr Fantastic was too weak
The thing didn't have a character arc
>>149650971
Didn't a lot of people dislike casting a latina woman as Sue?

>>149650892 (OP)
It doesn't look interesting, the biggest crime for blockbusters. They didn't do enough with the 60's setting, they didn't show enough of the F4 in action, they should have played to the goofier aspects of Early F4 comics.

Starting with Galactus was also stupid, an unstoppable world eater instantly sets stakes to 100 and he's never going to be a compelling villain.

>>149650892 (OP)
I'm sure the reboot after Secret Wars will be better.

>>149652124
That doesn’t make it a good movie though. And honestly most post-endgame projects are pretty disconnected and self-contained given they’ve all lead absolutely nowhere for five years.

>>149685713
We didn't get comic powers Kamala because of this shit.

Just imagine if her series had been a faithful adaptation of her original run, not a no-name writer using the series to give a blinkered rant about partition...

>>149669436
I hate zoomer faggotry too but he’s kind of right.
The Art Adams issues where he swapped out the team completely were the only FF comics that got any kind of actual heat in my youth.
I know first hand also that Mr. Fantastic was the only Mego figure collecting dust in stores into the 90s.

I just left the theater. I found it boring. Silver surfer was really cool. Galactus was kinda cool. Most everything else was boring

>>149650892 (OP)
>I blame the casting choices
For me that's it. I'm not gonna watch because I'm tired of Pedro Pascal and Kirby comes across as an unlikeable bitch.

>>149686230
What's Galactus like? Do they treat him like a force of nature or is he just a big schmuck in goofy armor who gets outsmarted easily? My hope is he's treated more like Thanos and less like Loki in the first Avengers.

Say my name

>>149679068
>Superman is more popular than The Joker
Hell no.

>>149669436
Wait/Ringo run is still pretty well regarded, too, and that was from the late 90s.

>>149683365
>By what metric?
The amount of comics he's sold, the number of tv shows based on Superman, and how many high grossing movies Supes has (Superman 78 made 1.2 billion in today dollars)

>>149687463
>>149679367
>>149683361
>this highly successful DC film made slightly less than this record-breaking DC film!
It's not slightly less, it's less than half of Joker. And there's still the whale in the room with Aquaman, a character you definetely can't claim is more popular than Superman. That Gunnman can't preform on the level of lesser characters is pathetic.

>>149687653
Every comic book movie this year has underperformed. Normies are done with capeshit outside cameofests like Deadpool last year and No Way Home. They gave Superman a chance because of the Gunn angle, but they don't care like they used to.

>>149650892 (OP)
It's what they deserved for cutting John Malkovich. Never mess with the Malkomanics!

>>149688245
Would have been a better Lex than any of the recent ones IMO

>>149650971
Based
>>149685713
If they did, they didn't learn, they casted Predo as Reed