Thread 149659225

Superia was right.

>>149659225 (OP)
Assuming nobody was in the R63 thread. Basically this is a Secret Empire what if scenario where Superia’s plan to turn Captain America into a woman goes horribly right and Stephanie ends up being an ultra based feminist leader who causes all of Superia’s femazons to defect to her side.
And then the Avengers use the cosmic cube to get regular Steve back via cosmic cloning.

I have no idea why this is its own thread now.

>>149659225 (OP)
As a one time hater-turned-convert I have to say that AI art has really fucking improved. And not just because of the subject matter.

>>149659225 (OP)
>>149659539
Dangerously based.

>>149659727
It’s captain America. What do you expect

>>149659644
I never hated AI art, only when it clogs up image searches and it's all the exact same thing with just minor differences.

>>149659727
Lady you had me until that last part.

>>149659225 (OP)
Are we making a thread for superheroes turn into sexy female villains? because I'm eager for the return of Reverse DC earth where up is down, male is female, good is evil and vice versa.

>>149660573
Sure why not. Wanna swap Mr Terrific

>>149660659
Would she have a new gimmick or something?

>>149660659
>>149660682
Well, Terrific's gimmick is being the third smartest man, using his multipurpose T-Spheres, and a good dose of classic fighting moves, so whatever is the opposite of that.

>>149660734
The world's third bummest bitch? maybe the third strongest woman?

>>149660573
I'd like to see some more of the villains swapped, any ideas?

>>149660814
Deathtroke becomes a nice lady who adopts lost boys and treats them well and does nothing bad to them.

>>149660573
We could also have villains turn heroes.

>>149660734
>>149660798
His main gimmick is fair play. So a reverse would be someone who always cheats

>>149660974
That feels more fitting.

>>149660985
Would Stephanie actually be this dismissive of Steve? I feel like she’d show more respect

>>149659727
>Make a female super soldier true believer
>Unlike you she actually puts more effort into enslaving men than assembling a harem of nubile young women
Foolish.

>>149661160
Don’t forget
>create perfect 10/10 Amazon lesbian for your cause
>she is completely monogamous, not into you, and encourages the others to only pursue relationships if it’s true love.
Superia can’t stop losing

>>149661160
>Watch as your life's work comes to fruition and you don't even have to do any more work for it
>Still have your harem
Genius.

>>149661029
Probably a rich bitch with using either magic or other people’s tech to make her life easier

>>149659539
More interesting than the actual Secret Empire.
They'd have better reasons for some heroes to defect (at least to start off with).

>>149661492
The interesting thing with Stephanie is that she’s a warped Cap so she actually can create a utopia and does know how to make it work. Only problem is it involves some major changes and a little brainwashing to get everyone on the same page
In that way she’s a little like a femazon Doctor Doom

>>149661131
She'd think of him as an artificial and twisted, corrupted version of herself instead of the other way around. And the way the Cosmic Cube works she'd be right, at least from her perspective.
Say what you will about Stevil but they got the cosmic-horror part of the Kobik story right.

>>149659727
no please dont do that, haha ha

>>149661587
True, though there’s a part of me that wonders if Steve’s heroism would cause her to instead feel bad for this new Cap. Wanting to “save” him

>>149660985
>so, uh would this be masturbation or incest?
>let's find out!

>>149659644
>hater-turned-convert
Weakling.

>>149659727
I read this arc a couple months back and decided to check out what other appearances Superia had had since her debut. She's woefully underutilized considering that she's apparently a self-made superhuman scientist witch who somehow built a massive power base under the nose of the global cape community. And I wish I could go back in time and tell Kurt Busiek to write her in his Avengers run.

>>149659225 (OP)
The AI made this evil feminazi Captain America look like Dr. Blight from Captain Planet if she hated men instead of the environment; and I don't understand why the AI did that.

>tfw i like the idea of evil female versions of characters but not the transformation part of it
Alternate universe and clones are fine by me. I did like how Ultimate Spider-Woman was a female clone of Peter.

>>149662026
I know the outfit's based on canon HydraCap's villain getup in West Coast Avengers.

>>149659644
I'm glad I'll never be such a porn-brained coomer to completely fall in love with AI art

>>149662046
Well assuming the clone idea, how do you feel about feminism Cap
ironically you can’t call her a feminazi because she’s Captain America and thus the furthest from it

>>149659727
>I'm going to turn them into women
Oh Gruenwald, you cad.

>>149662329
I do wonder what her actual non suit costume would look like. Probably a cross between Captain America’s original suit and Wonder Woman’s with a darker color scheme

>>149662340
Remember he’s also responsible for everything that happened in Squadron Supreme

>>149662329
Okay people would pay to see a woman that looks like this in Rivals jumping Like Lebron James.

>>149661775
>GorgonCap's conception of men as brutes beholden to their base instincts who need to be guided by gentle femdom vs. Superia's separatism
Pretty good.

>>149659539
But would she still have the barely suppressed homolust for Iron Man that HydraCap did?

>>149663242
That actually makes me wonder who femCap would recruit

>>149663673
Depends if we try a 1 by 1 replacement of his team or just a blue-sky 'who would make the most sense'
Thundra, for sure

>>149663673
>>149663739
Spider-Woman for her man-controlling pheromone powers.

>>149662573
The last thing Rivals needs is another white blonde woman.

>>149663242
>tfw this isn't the Captain America/Wonder Woman we're going to get

>>149660573
Oh shit, a new Madam Butterfly.

>>149660573
>Are we making a thread for superheroes turn into sexy female villains?
I mean, more hot women in costumes are always cool.
>Reverse DC earth where up is down, male is female, good is evil and vice versa.
What would the Marvel equivalent of that consist of?

>>149659727
I think we need a storytime for this arc. My god the shitposting potential for this page alone.

>>149660947
Sounds good to me.

>>149661564
>femazon Doctor Doom
Sounds unironically hot.

>>149662046
The whole "everything is reversed." is a sick concept that could really be approached in a lot of ways, alternative Earths or clones included.

>>149664352
That and >>149661492 this one, it even has a female Cap

>>149664245
But its ai...

>>149663769
This reminds me. Purple Man is totally dead right. She definitely killed him and Mandrill

I remember we got some nice greentext of the inverse legion of doom last thread.

>>149663777
The post-Empire outfit can be her alt then.

>>149663739
Last thread someone suggested the Punisher could end up recruited and swapped since he basically worships Captain America

>>149665066
That's sounds cool.

>>149661904
Agreed. She has a very simple, classic ideology/motivation thats flexible enough to build stories around and frankly its weird that Marvel hasn't used her as some kind of culture war feminism soapbox character.

If you want to delve into more thread specific stuff, a "Superia genderswaps a bunch of established characters" event basically writes itself. World threat, characters switching sides due to brainwashing, endless variant covers based around the genderswap concept art for different characters, "topical" discussions of feminism or trans issues via some of the transformed heroes having dysphoria because they were rescued before they had their brain fucked with, etc. Do the event, pick a character or two who *doesn't* turn back by the end for a "nothing will ever be the same again!" tagline, etc.
Easiest fucking thing to write in the world.

>>149665275
There could also be an interesting grey area where Superia recognizes that not all men are horribly sexist, but it’s filtered through her misandrist viewpoint.
I find it very interesting that when faced with two genuinely heroic men she chooses to transform then rather than kill them. Almost like she views “the good ones” as needing saving rather than death

>>149664371
I mean even beyond the ai stuff you can imagine a female Steve Rogers

>>149659225 (OP)
Fuck off back to your slop containment thread, AI faggot.

>>149664445
Beggars can't be choosers.

>>149664352
>It's six parts
Aw jeez

>>149666729
This thread is about femdom, not AI

>>149661904
>and tell Kurt Busiek to write her in his Avengers run.
With his work on Astro City I he was the man for the job.

>>149667385
Dropped a word?

>>149666922
>Modam
kek

>>149666953
Who the fuck is Paladin?

>>149667657
Dunno but I wonder if him being sexist was setup for him becoming a woman and they just got cold feet.

>>149667672
That is why you start with a cold open and then go back to the beginning that way you can't get cold feet since you already showed it.

Please tell me this is Rule63/Genderswap threads because i had no fucking idea why the last got nuked

>>149667699
It didn't, it hit bump limit?

>>149667699
No, this is the reversed heros and villians thread.

>>149667835

love that they get to keep their masks on

>>149667877
The we wouldn't recognize them

>>149668138
All manlings look the same.

Fin

>>149668437
Top kek

>>149664465
>Mandrill
That'd be how she gets Spider-Woman on her Avengers

>>149661806
GorgonCap is for Diamondback

>>149660985
>>149668781
>She harvests Steve's jizz for IVF

>>149668356
Huh she’s pretty smart about moving

>>149668342
>Right.
It was definitely just a fluke.

>>149668261
How do you call those weird capes that don't look like capes?

>>149667590
I like the one with the brain in a jar on top of her head.

AI anon, if you are still here, I would ask you to share your superia-cap prompt with us for the sake of preservation.
I'm guessing that it is based on a marvel rivals emma frost lora, but if the rest of the prompt details are given to us than other people can make art for this character in the future.
If not, it basically dies with you and this thread.

>>149664445
In threads where we only speak ideas I don't see the issue of using AI, its not like an artist is gonna show up.

>>149670197
This. As long as no one is charging for it, AI art at this stage is actually a good way to breathe life into a new character idea that a thread comes up with, and makes it more likely that it garners enough attention that other artists will do something with the concept in the future.

>>149667657
>>149667672
Mercenary Villain/Anti-Hero who's a berk but wants to be a hero. Though given he's antagonizing Cap, he might well just be Clint in disguise.

So Superia's plan is dumb in a lot of ways, but even assuming that it HAD worked you still have a huge repopulation problem.

You've sterilized all of the women beyond this island of supers. You have basically obligated every woman there to immediately start having babies, and to keep having babies for as long as they can. Superia herself included, presumably, because any woman who doesn't do that is shrinking the next generation even more.

They will have to outsource their breeding to some degree while they still can, whether than means restoring fertility for those that submit to them or using them as surrogate for your superior genes, etc.
Ironically for this thread's topic, genderswapped men would likely still be fertile. They were not women when the sterility bomb went off, so any man that gets genderswapped after that effect clears would presumably be fertile. Whether that is something Superia exploits or resistance groups use to break her monopoly on the future of humanity is up to you.

>>149670270
So he’s a random mook who exists to be worse than Cap

>>149670197
I'm surprised (and a bit impressed) it managed to get Kala's crown right, but messed up the outfit, since I thought I'd be the opposite. Either way, as long as there's no money passing hands I'd say it's not too big an issue.

>>149670310
she's most likely one of those artificial womb types, and would clone spunknform all thise fertility clinics to make up for the lack of men.
>Ironically for this thread's topic, genderswapped men would likely still be fertile.
I put good money she'd try and frame them getting pregnant as a sort of redemption for there sins or something like that, while all the now sterile woman need to be in charge since all the former men are in "permanent maternity leave".

>>149670928
>she's most likely one of those artificial womb types

Ah, but she can't do that. Controlling the last reproduction-capable women on the planet is her whole scheme for power. The existence of artificial wombs to grow kids in directly threatens her own plans for domination. She can't afford for that tech to exist, because the moment it falls into anyone else's hands her plan crumbles.

>>149670886
How do you even describe what she is wearing? a black Catsuit with a red dress loincloth and a diamond shaped boob window?

>>149670270
>>149670339
As a kid I would think his suit is cooler that cap as an adult I would punch my younger self for thinking that.

>>149671115
It's based on a kryptonian dress from a JLU website, but in not sure if that's really well know enough to work. That said I looked around, and it seems like the dress Kala has does have a name; it's called a "high slit dress", so I'd guess combining that term with the with black catsuit might get you something close.

As for boob window, I'd say don't describe ithe shape since it's shaped like the superman logo (sort of like what Power Girl has), so trying to specify the shape might get you something janky.
>>149671054
>>149670339
>Superia is angered by Paladin's sexism
>after the brainwashing she impregnates her first
>renames her Conception because Superia is still an asshole
>this is what causes GorgonCap to coup her because that shit is both inefficient and fucking weird.

>>149671389
*specifically, it's a "double high slit dress" because "slit dress" will just get you a slit on one side.

>>149670310
>You have basically obligated every woman there to immediately start having babies, and to keep having babies for as long as they can. Superia herself included
Imagine
>cap and paladin fail
>all the women outside the dome are sterilized
>and the women in the dome begin repopulating, starting with them
Naturally Cap gets the most women.

>>149661806
>>149670132
https://litter.catbox.moe/njtsuotu9bdivf5t.png

>>149671480
My god anon, amazing.

>>149662329
>>149664877
Peak character design

>>149671480
They keep fucking even after Superia is stopped

>>149670132
Have some potentially useful alts too I guess
(I'm assuming you know how to pull the metadata off these)
https://litter.catbox.moe/xo2n9q.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/sx7chl.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/vumibv.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/q4ianp.png

>>149671747
She's thinking of Steve

>>149671747
Based.
>https://litter.catbox.moe/vumibv.png
There must have been a superhero with this theme before right?

>>149671772
I think there was an alt universe character name Lady Liberty

>>149671256
Saved

>>149671747
>those earrings
Kino.

>>149672018
neat, riot gear looks better in a curvy chick

>>149672188
>Its not going to lick itself

>>149671747
I actually didn't know you could pull metadata like that before now, but it makes sense.
Tried using a program called metaparser to do it, but when I drag images into it like it says to do nothing happens. Is there a program or method you would recommend?

>>149670310
This Superia would simply divide men into two camps: sperm cows and to-be brood mothers
>>149672299
https://novelai.net/inspect

>>149672329
>This Superia would simply divide men into two camps: sperm cows and to-be brood mothers
Given her misandry, she would likely consider the brood-mother role to be a reward to men who had 'earned it'.

>>149671389
What if the reason that GorgonCap turns on Superia is because Superia's plan necessitates that the remaining fertile women breed to perpetuate mankind, but it becomes clear that Superia herself thinks she is above that duty? She's arrogant enough that she thinks she can demand that everyone immediately get to baby-making, but has no plans to do so herself.
Indeed, how could she? She hates men too much to ever let one sully her with their seed.

So Gorgon Cap turns on her for being a hypocrite and overthrows her. Of course, as a true believer, this does mean that Gorgon Cap needs to get herself knocked up in short order because thats how this plan works and Steve is one to lead by example.

>>149672299
>>149672329
Oh and only the uncompressed ones on catbox still have metadata.
https://files.catbox.moe/q6qnsc.png

>>149659727
So Titania just laughs her ass off in the next panel, right?

>>149659727
Would have been cool if it actually happened and female Cap still whooped her butt. Later on Cap could often mention "I was a woman for a day, you know. I know how it is." to Carol for laughs.

>>149672658
>That was a bad tack, now I've got to finish this whole villain monologue before I soak through.

>>149673043
Rick Jones looking great on the right there.

>>149667744

Songbird!

>>149673043
Only issue is that even as a true believer I don’t think Stephanie would want true sterilization.
Her plan would probably be to use a more temporary method and then use the cure as leverage for social change

>>149673305
Agreed. A true-believer Stephanie would have gone for a different world plan in the first place. Whether that be a temporary sterilization plan as a threat, or just turning all men into women to 'save' them, or some other means.

But if we take the events of the comic as foundation and follow up from them, by the time that Stephanie comes out of the tank as a true believer the sterilization of the outside world has already happened. It was going to happen that same day. She can overthrow Superia and take over the movement, but she can't just snap her fingers and fix what she broke. She can only be a better leader for womankind from that point forward.

>>149673423
True. Though given who she is it could be interesting if she decided to work towards multiple solutions. There are definitely enough scientists in marvel who could undo it, they’d just need to be turned first so that they can be trusted.
And assuming the timeline is moved to be more modern, she’d probably want to grab America Chavez and study her since America is from an all female alien species very close to humanity in structure, and they reproduced just fine

SE Gorgon Cap is a result of Superia meddling with Kobik >>149661492 thoughbeit

>>149673795
Peak performance there.

>>149671480
Dammit Marvel give us what you know we all want to see on the big screen! Also: imagine you're the meat in a sandwich consisting of her and Carol.

>>149674581
>Carol
Wasn't Mr. Venom supposed to be her nemesis?

>>149660814
This would go hard as a Legion of Doom.

>>149660814
Reversed swapped Deathstroke is a Milf bodyguard for hire who has a protective streak when it comes to children.

>>149674633
Thinking about it that is a very thematically fitting rival, I like it.

>>149672658
>GorgonCap will NEVER call you a pathetic manling and stamp on your balls with her heel
Why live

>>149673795
Cute

>>149673795
Gorgon Cap's Strongest Solider.

>>149667463
>draw a super villianess crowd in swimwear
Nice!

>>149667899
Anaconda has a point!

>>149667899
>>149676126
I think DCAU JL cartoon also has a misandrist villain that wanted to get rid of men, and some other vilainess basically called her a femcel (or betrayed her because she likes men)

>>149676447
Sounds like this isn't as uncommon a trope as I thought.

>>149673074
Fuck, that's hot.

>>149672683
A lot of the people who seemed to agree to this are surprising. You've even got some minor X-Men villains.

>>149667835
>>149667877
Well I think a superhero chick being naked except for a mask is an underrated aesthetic.

>>149676447
She betrayed her because she was OK stealing shit but not genociding half the population of earth

>>149667032
Why does Captain America recognize AIM's rule of Boca Caliente instead of liberating the native people from the foreign invaders? Isn't he supposed to love freedom?

Artificial Bump

>>149667264
>Nekra gets listed that early

>>149678514
That's actually a pretty good Madame Butterfly anon.

>>149659225 (OP)
Somehow being the idea of being dommed by Superia doesn't seem so bad...

https://litter.catbox.moe/30pocq79m6konxxw.png
>>149678315
He doesn't go around starting wars and AIM got recognized as a state

>>149667529
>The reason she changed her name from Jackdaw is that she becomes black when knocked out

>>149678681
AI is like a gamblin machine, once in 50 attempts ends up looking perfect.

>>149678903
Neat picture.

>>149679519
It's the sole reason drawing still holds out over AI a lot, since you have more direct control over what is drawn. That said, when money isn't involved, AI is pretty fun.

>>149678903
Shit anon, that picture looks like a legit panel page that's just missing some text boxes.

>>149673043
>>149673074
We need more propaganda posters. It just feels right for the character.
Its also a good way to sneak in some worldbuilding. The repopulation initiative promising citizenship to men implies a lot.

>>149668006
Least convincing crossdressers ever.

>>149681024
That's pretty close to the Mime, good work anon.

>>149668437
Iron Man and Black Widow weren't even here. Was this just planning for this actually being treated like a global threat, or a future story being referenced?

>>149681412
Make them a parody of Starship Troopers slogans
>Pregnancy Guarantees Citizenship!

>>149659225 (OP)
>>149660985
>>149662329
>>149664877
>>149671747
>>149673074

>>149681771
I think it was just referring to the basic lineup

Hopefully this Flag Smasher outfit isn't a one-and-done or this Gorgon Cap design will be outdated real quick

>>149682282
Someone post the Emma Frost panels

Bump because I want to see more

There was also that time Superia singled out a random teenage girl and tried to hypnotically brainwash her into a murderously manhating lesbian. Superia is wacky.

>>149685438
Wait who? Like who was the teenager. I kinda want to know what happened to her afterwards

>>149685438
Superia would genuinely be 10x more dangerous if she wasn't so over the top with her cartoonish levels of misandry that is alienates her allies. The obvious intelligence and resources at her command go to waste because you essentially have to be brainwashed by her to be able to stand her.
I feel like this is why the GorgonCap idea is so appealing: Superia has a solid gimmick, but is unambiguously a terrible leader. She is ripe for being usurped and her tools put to better use.

>>149685508
Free Spirit. Can't recall her actual name. She was Cap's sidekick for like half a minute.

>>149685521
Heck given Superia is a tool herself (with her intelligence) and has access to brainwashing tech, what’s to stop Gorgon Cap from just reprogramming her into a minion and keeping her on board as the R&D girl?

Sex with Gorgoncap

>>149685798
That'd a neat karmic ending, brainwashed to stop crippling the cause she started because she's too much of a misandrist for even her supporters.

>>149659225 (OP)
Fixed

>>149686461
>Casual Stephanie
Very nice.

>>149686461
Need more Stephanie.

>>149686461
slightly smaller boobs but keep the thiccness

>>149684404
Emma for sure was part of GorgonCap's crew

>>149686461
Ah yes, seduction mode.

So, by real world standards Superia's feminization treatment is obviously wildly impressive. But I feel like by marvel superscience standards, 24 hours submerged in a tank of special chemicals is probably on the low end.
So what other transformation technologies could be used to do the same thing but better? Faster? Affecting more people? Transformation weapons or plots are such a cliche comic book thing, and yet I have trouble putting my finger on many specific ones.
It doesn't have to be actually used for genderswaps in canon to be worth mentioning. Sauron turning people into dinosaurs is a good example: any tech that can change your genome that severely should probably consider a simple XY->XX gene change to be extremely basic in comparison.

If GorgonCap wanted to outdo Superia, whose tech would be the best version of this to steal and repurpose?

>>149688224
>If GorgonCap wanted to outdo Superia, whose tech would be the best version of this to steal and repurpose?
Either some sort of raygun or nanotechnology. That said I think since it'll be more of a refinement of Superia's estsblished technique that's been cut down on the time it takes to work than anything new, whatever GorgonCap makes probably would still be stationary and require people to be unconscious in order to be successful.

>>149687674
Of course

Mommy can handle anything

>>149688224
>>149688649
You can change DNA in the fly you should be curing cancer!

>>149688757
GorgonCap would probably do that, but whatever the cure is results in you turning female because reasons. In all seriousness, it likely that GorgonCap will only be able to cut the process time down by half (12 hours) due to how in depth the process is. And this is just if they keep the focus on having the process apply to one or two people; it might be that she instead keeps the 24 hour time frame, but the improvment is that the process can now apply to larger groups of people.

>>149685982
She’d probably be happier like that too

>>149670076
Mcfarlanean

>>149688998
> GorgonCap would probably do that, but whatever the cure is results in you turning female because reasons.

That feels right. GorgonCap is a true believer. One who remembers having been a man before this who *wasn't* a true believer yet. That, combined with Cap's basic values, probably adds up to someone who firmly believes that women are superior and that men will be happier if they are transformed (after all, she is proof of that in her mind) but her default approach is going to be to SHOW people that she is right. Introduce the genderswaps to the population through nonviolent means like as a package deal with genetic treatments for cancer or other diseases, or as part of the repopulation initiative, etc. Cap would much rather that people are given the chance to see the difference and CHOOSE to be female rather than be forced into it. If she really is right, then people will see that for themselves and want to trade up.

If that doesn't work out, Gorgon Cap might escalate to a 'draft' or other forced program. But that would be a lesser victory to mankind recognizing women as the superior sex.
Obviously while some people will make the change once there are enough incentives, a lot of people won't. Its just a question of what ratio, and what level of female superiority of the population, that Gorgon finds acceptable and how close can she get the population to that naturally.

>>149689402
Yeah. The real key to Stephanie’s character is that she is actually motivated by creating a perfect advanced society and get generally knows how to make it.
She’s just held back by the sheer upheaval that would be required to make it

>>149673455
America Chavez
>America themed
>lesbian
>feminist
>orphan
>kind of a loser
>originally from a paradise dimension inhabited solely by women.
How long do you bet it’ll take before Stephanie forcibly adopts and indoctrinates her into the cause

>>149689479
> She’s just held back by the sheer upheaval that would be required to make it
This is in part the benefit of saying that Superia already launched the sterility bomb while Cap was cooking in the vat: the upheaval is already happening whether she likes it or not. She would never choose for this to happen, but now that she has she is "obligated" to make full use of it to create the perfect world that Superia is too rabid to ever actually make herself.

If we start off the board on a status quo and Gorgon Cap has to try to get from A to B without there already being a crises in motion, at some point she will have to engineer a version of that crises. The number of men who would willingly change into women permanently is just too small to move the dial much without more pressure. And I think that we are both sort of assuming it but its worth saying explicitly: Superia as a man-hating woman was happy with just dominating men and putting women on top as the superior sex. Superia would be perfectly happy just reducing everyone with a penis to a slave with no rights.

Gorgon Cap, however, not just still has a higher moral standard but as a former man would naturally gravitate to the same solution that made HIM see the light. He wouldn't want to reduce men to slaves, he would want to gift them the same improved existence that he has been given. It would by hypocritical of Cap to have been converted like he was and then withhold that option from others if she can make that possible.

>>149689617
I mean... does it need to be by force? There is a not insignificant possibility here that so long as Stephanie isn't obviously being evil about it, America Chavez would just be naturally supportive of it.
"Its about damn time. Where I'm from its only women and things are much better. You people should have done this years ago!"

>>149689778
True true. Honestly I could see Gorgon Cap partially succeeding only to have her efforts halted by Reed somehow bringing back fertility (and a new Captain America) and the having to create more long term plans. The biggest hurdle here for Steph is that the marvel universe is actively one that resists change, so she’d have to make her side appealing.
She could probably get a good number of recruits by making her side a safe haven for any mutants willing to convert. Also helps that Superia is probably capable of curing physically deforming mutations so long as she has a wrangler

>>149689827
She’s in the middle because she firmly considers herself a young Avenger and a hero, and doesn’t want to do anything villainous, but she’s also lost pretty much everyone and would be easy to manipulate through love bombing.
She canonically liked the idea of female Avengers here and actually lived in the A force domain during secret wars. And because she’s lost both her biological moms and two separate foster moms, plus is unable to maintain a stable relationship, I can see her clinging heavily to Stephanie. Which is good because her portal powers are useful and she usually doesn’t think things through

>>149689778
>Steve Rogers believes that people can be made into better versions of themselves with superscience drugs

Whaaaaat? No way!

>>149689617
>>originally from a paradise dimension inhabited solely by women.
Retconned.

There seems to be two different ideas for the setup here. One where Cap was changed and brainwashed during the Superia Strategem arc, and one where Superia changed Steve with a cosmic cube (most likely the sentient cosmic cube Kobik that Red Skull used in the HydraCap storyline).
Personally I like the former more than the latter. Stephanie waking up in a world where Superia's plan worked and trying to coup & realign the Femizons while simultaneously warding off the rest of the world sounds neat. On the other hand, the cube angle would allow Steph to pretend the change had no mental effects and then spend some time subverting the hero community, which was really the best part of HydraCap

Also, female Paladin should be called Cleric

>>149690117
The mcu undid that retcon and it was a stupid retcon. She should’ve been from Thundra’s timeline

>>149690137
There’s also a third setup where the first happens and then a cosmic cube fixes it, creating a duplicate Steve

>>149690137
The former idea is more easily defined in the context of the story we have to work with. Its easier to extrapolate how to build from there.
The cosmic cube centered plot is much more arbitrary because we are dealing with a functional wish machine, so its very easy for bullshit to get out of hand. Like, why would Superia use the cube to change *just* Steve? All that power and she only uses it on one guy? And then when Stephanie beats her then she will have it herself and just much less interesting than Stephanie waking up in an imperfect situation and making the best of it.

>>149690001
America should be the moral baromater. The classic trope of 'young idealist joins the villains while they are seemingly reasonable, and eventually realizes that they are on the wrong side'. America and Stephanie coming into conflict with each other should be the point where it becomes clear that Stephanie is falling into supervillainy. Fighting her or brainwashing her or whatever is where we see Stephanie cross the moral event horizon and is now willing to force her way of thinking onto people instead of simply offering it.

The main Steph design is based on post-Secret Empire Steve is all

>>149690395
It's the HydraCap plot but with Superia in place of Red Skull.

>>149689617
It sounds like she'd be one of the first who'd turn to Steph's side after the Punisher.

>>149690245
I think that's a decent middle ground. That ways GorgonCap has a soild support base of Femazons, but now has to deal with one of the main reason people were joining (no fertility) gone. Plus it means there's the whole "who's the real clone" angle between GorgonCap and NormalCap.

>>149690245
So with this angle, Superia manages to complete her plan, then gets couped by Steph for being a lonney misandrist, and Steph then does her true believer stchick until the Avengers use the Cube to fix the fertility problem and a NormalCap, and GorgonCal is sort of a secret anti-villian?

>>149690395
Could be good to use her as a moral barometer. I do agree there. America’s portal abilities and access to the multiverse make her too valuable of an asset to lose, so I can see Steph’s slide into villainy marked by her willingness to exploit portal access

>>149690618
You also end up with a really interesting situation if we go with the characterization in
>>149673423
>>149689778

Because now your timeline looks like this:
> Superia Strategem happens
> Sterility bomb goes off, Steve becomes Stephanie
> Stephanie realizes that Superia has a good idea but is too blinded by her hate to actually be the solution, overthrows her
> Stephanie takes over and starts instituting global programs of benevolent mommydom like >>149673043
and >>149673074 to try and fix the mess that Superia made
> the resistance gets a cosmic cube and uses it to fix the sterility bomb, also creating a new Steve in the process. A new Paladin too, I guess, as funny as it would be to just have everyone forget about him in this mess
> In what is expected to be a final showdown confrontation... Stephanie actually *thanks* the heroes for what they have done. Stephanie never wanted the sterility bomb plan, that was a clusterfuck she inherited from Superia. She's actually happy that its effects are gone, but vows that she supports Superia's vision of the future, just not her crass methods of how to get there
> She vows to come back after having reformed the Femazons into a better organization, and hopes that when she does so there will be no need to fight
> New-Steve tells Stephanie that there is no way that people will accept what she has to offer
> Stephanie says "You did." and leaves dramatically

So now both are around, Stephanie controls the Femazons that *briefly* were world players but now are another villain organization waiting in the wings to do their next big plan, and Stephanie probably intends to make New-Steve and others see the light just like she did.

To be continued. Future conflicts and adventures set up for later.

>>149690864
What’s interesting about the Neo Femazons in this particular situation is that with Stephanie at the helm, every single plan they enact is going to be a moral dilemma designed to show people their point. Because they don’t want to to take over, they want people to choose them
Even further muddying the waters is how they actually help in big disasters and threats to the world

So they get their own island state and become Dark Themyscria

>>149691485
Krakoa except they don’t pretend to be the good guys

>>149691485
>Citizenship open to all women
>Residency applications for compliant men with a path to citizenship

>>149691485
>>149691511
Make up a fictional third world country that has extremely repressive and patriarchal laws where the women have basically no rights. They take it over to 'fix' it and declare it Neo Femazonia, and then barter some bit of Superia tech to the UN in order to get recognized as an official nation state before the Avengers can swoop in and stop them.

Neo Femazonia stabilizes their new country and consolidates power for a bit, then comes back with a plan. This would be the point where Stephanie now is fully calling the shots, so whatever her plan is would sort of define the modus operandi of the femazons going forward from a writing perspective. How they approach convincing people their way is best, how they infiltrate other nations, what kind of superweapons they want to use on the world, that sort of thing.

>>149691485
>They take over some island in the Atlantic to use as a base (maybe in the Burmuda Triangle?)
>A brainwashed Superia is R&D, giving them access to a bunch of sci-fi bullshit
>use things like cloaking and teleportation devices to make sure they can't be found easily
>they can even artificially expand the island when needed
>Despite the name, there is no Greek influence
>Instead GorgonCap's leadership means it resembles 1920s-30s Americana

>>149691901
There’s something very funny about a matriarchal society with 1930s American aesthetics
Though the cities probably have a bit of Jack Kirby retro futuristic architecture to them

>>149691901
> feminist country where the women wear fancy 1920's flapper garb
You know, I don't hate this

>>149691978
>>149692003
For some reason I’m imagining combat uniforms looking like Randal’s suit from BTAS. Has enough of Superia’s dna to it but with a lighter optimistic tone

>>149691839
>Steph: from this day forward, no woman will be forced to obey the orders of her spouse! … except for Superia. We should probably find her a wife to manage her and make sure she doesn’t blow anything up

>>149667478
>Ionic energy
Is she a Wonderman villain or something?

>>149667663
>clothing destroying superpowers
My god, how has someone with one hell of a fetish not used her?

>>149667899
Really, I get that some of them could be gay, but I'd think a few of them wouldn't be cool with wiping out all the good dicks in the world.

>>149692108
Machine Man. But she is extremely minor. Didn't even appear when there were a bunch of Ionic powered people in a plot.

>>149692367
Yep, which is why Superia's plan was always doomed to fail. Her hatred of men is so extreme than the vast majority of women, even the ones that want to be in the dominant role in society, would find her cringe and a crazed loony.

>>149692367
To be honest I don’t think Superia will ever be able to get a girlfriend. I know several lesbians (all super nice) and the last thing they want to hear is someone constantly complaining about men
Her misandrist obsession has ironically cockblocked her

>>149668066
This is one crazy bitch.

>>149681024
>>149678514
I like what you've done with the Earth-63 characters anon, keep it up.
>>149691978
>Though the cities probably have a bit of Jack Kirby retro futuristic architecture to them
Yeah, their's probably some 50s sci-fi influence with at least the technology. So ascetically, Femazonia (pr wjatever its called) is a mix of 1920s-30s Art Deco with some hints of retro futurism bought on due to Steph's influence (how she dresses, what she listens too, etc.)

>>149668110
Okay, I admit, I want to know what Wrangler's deal is.

>>149668110
>Mysteria
>No Fishbowl head
Alas

>>149692425
The irony is that she isn't even gay. She needs to give birth for her whole prophecy to come true, so having sex with a man had to be part of the plan.

>>149692613
You don't have to have sex with a man to get pregnant

>>149692663
The only non man on Earth who can get her pregnant is Chavez. And I’m pretty sure that would be statutory rape

Neo Femazonia plot idea: they set up a shady prison system, taking prisoners from overcrowded jails in other countries, and re-educate them with Superia's brainwashing tech. A genderswap, a brainwashing, and the now loyal (and model citizen!) woman is not recognizable as their previous self and can be sent back to their home country as a sleeper agent.

>>149692819
>Pleasant Hill but all the supervillains are stepfordized

>>149692798
Also I don't think Chavez existed when this story happened.

>>149692798
Anon, do you not know about IVF

>>149691839
>Make up a fictional third world country that has extremely repressive and patriarchal laws where the women have basically no rights
By God
They're invading Latveria

But on a more serious note; if the cosmic cube doesn't erase most of the world's memories of the sterilization plan, then you'd need those girls to lay low for a WHILE before trying to get statehood. That shit would be a huge black mark on the organization.

>>149692965
Logically yes, but comic book civilians and governments get over shit wildly fast so thats not worth dwelling on. The number of mass murderers that just sort of get a free pass a year later is wild, and at least these bitches didn't kill anyone.

>>149692965
They'll probably blame it all on Superia
>No, it was that crazy bitch who wanted the sterilization! Captain Femazon overthrew her, we're cool now, we even wear skirts and dresses! We're totally not threatening at all!
>But you still want to turn all men into woman?
>Yes! But we're not going to do anything evil, promise!
>Sounds good to me! Let's do some.trade deals.

>>149692846
Requires a man at some point

>>149693126
But not sex

>>149693159
True. But the sterilization bomb would eliminate the sperm regardless. My point is that Superia is quite possibly one of the dumbest mad scientists in Marvel

>>149693182
According to her very stupid plan, Superia only sterilized the *women* of Earth outside of the dome. The men were still virile.

>>149693248
So her plan to liberate women was to… hurt women. Wasn’t a fertility crisis what started the dystopia in the Handmaid’s Tale

>>149664465
Mahkizmo and Puppet Master: Kill list or forcefemmed list?

>>149693248
>>149693265
And then the virile men would be turned into fertile woman, and the REAL women would be in charge and not have to deal with the responsibility of having to reproduce and can LEAD society, or some other really fucked misandrist logic.
>Wasn’t a fertility crisis what started the dystopia in the Handmaid’s Tale
Yes, there is a reason >>149673043 got made when the GorgonCap idea took off, Superia is so fucking batshit crazy and misandrist even her indoctrinated victims know she's actively hurting her own cause.

>>149693427
It probably depends on who they come in contact with; if it's Steph, they get forcefemmed, if it's the Punisher, they get killed

>>149693265
Now you are understanding why the idea of Cap usurping Superia and taking over her organization feels so right. Superia is fucking *awful* as a leader. At least you can argue that Red Skull is good at doing Hydra stuff, for all her resources and tech Superia is her own worst enemy.

>>149693610
Superia is probably one of the only villains who fails in every objective except technical. She has the tech to pull off everything but screws up everything else.
She can’t even get being gay right because no girl would ever subject themselves to her

>>149683662
I think that outfit combined with the color and pattern of >>149668097 would be goat.

>>149691632
>New Femazonia's path to citizenship for those processesed is going through pregnancy
>Steph's reasoning for this is not just ao they have a next generation
>It's also the most female thing to do, and it means they have a big reason to stay in the nation and believe in the cause
>After all, who would want to abandon their child?

>>149694057
Now, consider that Stephanie is not a hypocrite and Steve always led by example.
So, who is the father of her child? She can't hold others to a standard that she would not follow herself.

>>149694106
There is a non zero chance that it's Bucky's. Outside of him it might depend on if there's some eugenics logic involved or not.

>>149663471
>>149694106

>>149694106
Really, you have to consider this from the perspective of "who do I need leverage against the most to advance my plans" times "who can I reasonably seduce?"

Anyone that would follow her anyway would be an easy kid, but having a kid to lock down the loyalty or create a conflict of interest in someone like America or Tony would be a powerful tool. Both also have the advantage of this meaning that the kid might have portal powers or supergenius brain, either one of which is an advantage to a future leader of the movement.

>>149694388
>When she finds out he married Emma

>>149694516
Oops

Stephanie is making me feel...things.

>>149694477
America is the adopted kid being groomed as the next leader. Stephanie’s new kid would be far too young to do much politically at this point so a super genius is a good bet.
She probably encourages mutants to come to the nation too

>>149694388
>Sudeuces Tony after she gets him drunk
>Gives him the best night of his life before disappearing by the time he wakes up hungover
>She goes into hiding for a year
>the Avengers with NormalCap only fight obvious Femazonian puppet groups or related group
>They have no clue where GorgonCap is or what she's uo to
>When she does show up she act cagey and brushes off questions
>Eventually during on of their scuffles, a four year old brunette girl with blue eyes is seen with her
>Tony manages to track her down and confronts her
>'Yes, she's ours'
>Tony becomes an alcoholic again.

>>149694607
Ehhhh, I'm not sure if America would vibe that well in Femazonia despite her origin.

So, Stephanie wants to prove that her way is best. Unless she wants to take over the whole world at once, she needs to take over at least one country and turn it into a shining city on the hill to inspire the way for everyone else.
She might start with a smaller country for proof of concept, but it is inevitable that her next target would be the USA. If she can turn America into her ideal utopia, 'clearly' that would be enough to make the rest of the world want to do the same.
So how does she make that happen?

>>149695964
She probably puts a lot into fixing one particular misogynistic shothole of a country then starts her own superhero team.
The world looks up to the Avengers, so by outdoing them, she can make a better example

>>149695964
She uses the chaos post Secret War to first take over Haiti and the Dominican Republic (if those dont work, some other failed nation close to the US can work). Once the Femazons have secured control, Steph then let's the Punisher go ham over the Haiti half to restore something manageable while she tells the Dominican half to either get on board or take a very generous ticket off the island. The Femazons then go an basically try and make the island as close to Steph's vision as possible, being as open and transparent with how their fixing the island from the damage it's maintained while taking in immigrants and groups who want to be processed. After she has a firm base secured, it is then used as a base of operations for whatever team shes formed to try either show up the Avengers as well as for espionage purposes sucthrough helping while expanding their numbers by offering feminization to groups like terminal patients, people who have no other options, and even criminals (in exchange for going though Femazonia's Rehabilitation Program).

>>149696126
That is an awesome White Eagle! I love how you have the ground be on the top to show she's upside-down, really clever work there.

>>149694697
Nah he stays sober and then can't look Steve in the eye ever again (because they've the same eyes)

>>149691511
>You're telling me we've got an island of X-Men and an island of ex-men?

>>149692492
Black Widow villain and if you guessed that before unspoiling I don't believe you
>>149692580
Only one appearance after this and apparently Mysteria is just her actual name

>>149693265
Her plan had less to do with liberation and more to do with creating an eugenic matriarchy with herself as the queen.

Superior bump

>>149693159
I don't know why Carol had such an issue that Superia got the upper hand on the New Avengers.

What even is this threa brah

>>149699182
Horniness and autistic worldbuilding.

>>149699182
The best kind of autism: fun

>>149699182
A what if scenario

>>149699182
Going off the posting off GorgonCap (which is a 'what if' where Superia managed to implement her plan during Secret War and what would happen after) and what seems to be Earth-63 characters (a DC Earth where everything about the heros and villains are reversed), The central theme of the thread is "alternative timelines/universes where heros are sexy villainesses" or something like that.

>>149696903
That is a legit pun I can see Steph making at some point just because how goofy it is. It probably makes some X-men upset too since they don't want any comparisons between the two groups.

>>149659727
Paladin fucking rules, dude. He woulda been down with this no question

>>149696055
>>149696165
Who would GorgonCaps team consist of? I know that Cleric (Paladin) and the Punisher seem to be two that pop up with American Chavez being a temporary member, but what about the rest?

>>149664205
Imagine the children
Project A-Ko

>>149699973
Cleric & Punishette both have the same power (gun), so we should make sure the rest would expand the team's skillset and cover some different corners of the Marvel universe.
>Moonstone
She's already part of the Femizons & has energy projection.
>Enchantress
Represents Asgard & gets a magic-wielder onto the team
>Beetle (the current one)
She started a team of Spider-Man villainesses in comics recently so she'd probably be down. Plus she's a tech hero.
>Thundra
The team muscle. This is also the best shot her future has to actually happen

Before we start throwing transformed heroes on the team I think Steph would mostly be transforming male villains as a way of "reforming" them. Kraven the Hunter becomes Raven the Huntress. Mandarin becomes Womandarin, Crossbones becomes... well he was a Nazi so she'll just be a peaceful citizen now.
People have mentioned Emma Frost but I can't see her as anything more than a friend to the cause; mutantkind really is her first priority. I'm Sure Steph's Femizonia would have equal rights for mutants but it's difficult to simultaneously fight for two causes. It's why the faces of feminism were white for so long with intersectionalism only recently gaining traction.

>>149700291
Good start. I think that its also worth considering that not only with Stephanie want to build her own version of the avengers, but that she also would recognize that the greatest threat to her plans in the future ARE the avengers.

There might be a more public-friendly face team for going out there and saving the day to farm good reputation, but Stephanie would be wise to create a B-team whose entire purpose is to be a hard-counter to the Avengers if and when that inevitable conflict arises. This could be where you stick the transformed villians: Stephanie picking off the most troublesome enemies of each hero not only as a public service to save the world (taking a supervillian out of play is always a plus) but also arming herself so that when the Avengers try to stop her in the future she can unleash the hounds and dump an absolute nightmare team comp onto the Avengers, which she knows exactly how to do because she knows them extremely well and knows their weaknesses to exploit and strengths to counter.

Every main Avengers member needs to have at least one person, hero or villian, that Stephanie targets for recruitment specifically to counter that one person.

>>149700291
>>149700415

As tempting as it is to do Asgard vs Asgard, I think its actually a better matchup if Enchantress ISN'T the counter to Thor. Enchantress is super fucking strong, but Thor knows how to fight her. If you can keep Thor tied up with Moonstone or some other people, Enchantress and her powers should be more than a match to take out like half of the rest of the Avengers by herself. Like, transforming the Hulk into something less threatening rather than fighting him outright. That sort of thing.

>>149700532
I feel that Asgardians wouldn't really get behind the Femazon's message really, so it'd be more humans than any real divinity.

>>149700415
So Femazonia has a public team and a black book team then?

>>149702202
It feels right, I think. Stephanie wants to be proven morally superior, and so the public team has to be spotless. But its important to remember that despite her high minded ideals Gorgon Cap is a supervillian, Stephanie has to know that at some point this is going to come to blows, and thats a fight she has to win or this is all for nothing. It doesn't matter if Femazonia makes the first movie with a doomsday weapon or if some world government attacks Femazonia, eventually a line gets crossed and she's going to go to war with the status quo. And that means fighting the other supers of the world. And Stephanie would naturally consider The Avengers to be the biggest personal threat to her and her plans, both because she has a high opinion of them and because the new cube-made Cap might guess her moves before she makes them, because they are almost the same person.

>>149663739
Well one of those is going to sign up immediately.

>>149694697
>>149696288
I think it'd be better if the sex happened after some sort of team-up to stop a bigger threat rather than her date-raping him.

>>149703568
Maybe at some kind of mixer that happens after Stephanie debuts her new public super team and helps the Avengers deal with some global threat. After all, Stephanie doesn't want the world to get blown up by some evil living comet or whatever.
It would be a good opportunity to try and establish peaceful relations with the Avengers, have some pointed banter with Steve, and then zero in on the kill of sleeping with Tony because he's easy, the kid will be a genius, and it compromises Tony in future conflicts. Also maybe because she finds him charming now, but mostly those other things. For the cause.

>>149703860
Man, it's gonna be fucking weird for Tony when he finds out he has a daughter with the leader of a matriarchal society that's styled after 1920s Americana, who also claims she's his male friend.

>>149704449
"...Steve Rogers can never know."

>>149704713
Tony would keep his mouth shut without a doubt, he'd feel it'd risk his friendship with NormalCap of he admitted it.

>>149704449
The drama when he gets found out would be legendary.

>>149702890
>immediately becomes the bitchiest slut on Femizonia
my FUARKIN hero

>>149706765
>You've been dating me this entire time?!
>Well actually it was just a one-night-stand
>YOU USED ME FOR A FLING?!!

>>149707621
Steve being angry at Tony after finding out while Steph doesn't care that much is peak comedy.

>>149708380
Steph knew what she was getting into.
Also, the idea of Steve hating Stephanie but also feeling morally disgusted that Tony *didn't* marry her would be a real mindfuck.

>>149694516
>Thank you for attending the Gala, Stephanie.
>It's an honor to represent Femizonia here, Emma.
>(Thinking) Slut.
>(Thinking) Bitch.

>>149697643
>if you guessed that before unspoiling I don't believe you
I wouldn't have guessed it, but at the same time. if you listed out 5 or 6 avengers, that's what I would have picked. I find it more amazing that she even has a gallery. I bet 90% of them haven't been seen in 30 years.

>>149708380
It ends up being a sort of Val Richards situation where villains and a hero put aside their differences whenever the child is involved.
>"Don't worry Tony, you can visit New Femizonia and say hi to little Sarah anytime! Same goes for her Uncle Steve!"
>"And when I visit, I'll get to stay a man?"
>"Don't fret, Tony dear. I won't take your dick. Well, at least not in that sense."
>"Can you two please not do this in front of me?"

>>149708515
>You didn't marry her!?
>Steve, she's a supervillian! And you!
>You have a kid with her!
>Yeah, but it's not like I can live there!
>Being married and living together are two separate things, Tony.
>Are you serious right now? Why all this fuss over her Steve?
>And just *what* do you mean by that, Tony?

I'm trying to imagine how this would fit publishing-wise.
>1991's Superia Strategem is a five-issue arc instead of six.
>Issue five shows the failure of Black Mamba & Asp to free Cap & Paladin and leads into a mini-series crossover event "Pax Femizonia"
>Heroes fail to take down Superia via conventional force, but Steph launches a coup while some heroes go on a quest to get a cosmic cube.
>Event ends with the cube restoring fertility and creating a new Cap (Maybe it's like mitosis and the old Cap is "pulled out" of Steph?) while the Femizons run off with their stealth city.
>A few years later she pops up again presenting a reformed Femizon organization but the discovery that they're brainwashing & transforming male villains results in a fight between her and Cap (or the Avengers, depending what book this is).
>Fast forward to late 90's. Maybe Femizons have had a few more appearances as one-off enemies. Now a big threat pops up and they help save the day because it's their planet too, right? Think JLU's ending, but they have an afterparty before agreeing they'll be enemies again when they next meet.
>The next time they meet it's shortly before Disassembled. Femizons have taken over Madripoor and dubbed it New Femizonia. Men are second class citizens unless they join the fairer sex and pop out a baby. UN doesn't care much about Madripoor and the sterilization crisis is a distant memory so whatever. Tony finds out he's a dad and takes it about as well as you'd expect.
>During the Disassembled/Civil War/Secret Invasion/Dark Reign the Femizons mostly show up as morally grey third party, making deals with anyone but not sticking their neck out.
That's all I got

>>149710006
>>(Maybe it's like mitosis and the old Cap is "pulled out" of Steph?)
I think they just poorly word how they want Cap fixed/restored to the Cube and it either results in that, or it literally brings Captain America before he got processed into the future and there's now two; one who's a Femazon and one who's Normal.

As for New(?) Femazonia (should it be 'New'? Was there really one before?) and tbe Femazons, I'd say that you'd be on point that they'd manly stay as a sort of minor anti-villian organization in the 90s that the Avengers fight from time to time, but is willing to team up in order to protect the planet. After they take over a failed nation to make it their main base of operations. There'd probably be a storyline around the mid to late 2000s centered around (New?) Femazonia and it's society, most likely using Tony and his relationship with Stephanie as a vehicle so it'll be an Iron Man story only before it gets used more often as we get into the 2010s. I have some suspicions how the Femazons might be used in the 2010, but I'm more divided since I can see it go two ways
>They become badly written third wave feminist mouthpieces, and fall into obscurity as sales drop and they get shit adaptations
>A "Radical Femazon" movement is written in as an attempt to "modernized" the Femazons (its not called that in universe, but tbats what the fans call them) who then coups Stephenie who gets labeled as "outdated". This leads to there being two factions of Femazons who are either used as strawman or cannon fodder depending on what the writers need and which faction is used
>Stephenie and the Femazons get a good writer and are have a storyline that flashes them out further and explores the merits and flaws of both argument that Stephenie and the Avengers have against the other.

>>149710006
>>149710471
There needs to be, at some point, a legit "Stephanie pulls the trigger on feminizing mankind" plot. Probably in the 90s or the 2010s. Or, more likely, in the 90s AND the 2010s because comics repeat themselves like they have a stutter. They call the second one a 'callback' to the original but its really just a lazy repeat.
Make it a crossover event, a lot of heroes get turned into women, almost all of them get turned back at the end and the one or two that don't spend the next year of publication female. Marvel makes a bunch of variant covers pushing the genderswapped designs (even for marvel characters that don't appear in the event) and the ones that get stuck female are used as chance to reboot characters whose popularity has waned with a new gimmick. Who would get that treatment would depend on what decade it happens in, since popularity fluctuates.

There also should probably be a plot at some point where Superia breaks free of the brainwashing that made her harmless and tries to take over Femazonia again. Failing, of course, because its not like she has gotten any less crazy a bitch. But still dangerous.

>>149710830
If I had to really guess, you'd see a mix of those two ideas happen; You'd have the "Stephanie tries to feminize humanity" take place around the New Millennium (so somewhere between 98-2003ish), with the characters who got feminized either changing back around the mid 2000s or not depending on how their reboots sales went. The 'Superia breaks her brainwashing and tries her own attempt' happens in the 2010s (around 2014-2016 if i had to estimate), but results in a lot more characters stayimg changed for longer due to the different social climate. I'd also guess that if the 2010s Superia attempt happens, you'd see the whole 'two factions of Femazons' become the new status quo after the event, with Superia's fate left to speculation so Stephanie is seen as not as radical as she is.

>>149708706
The average Femazon-Mutant relations summed up in a single meeting.

>>149711271
>(so somewhere between 98-2003ish)
No joke, if this was written post 9/11 after the invasion of Iraq, I could see this event becoming a weird critique on the War on Terror since Femazonia would at least look similar to 1920s America. I can see some writers trying to have Stephenie and Femazonia used as expys of Bush and America of the time, with some dudes doing a very blatant 9/11 on Femazonia and that's her main reason for why she's no longer acting passively.

>>149711373
Man, that shit look epic, I want to read it soooo bad.

>>149711373
It looks like this during the Superia vs Stephenie arc going off the prices.

>>149710830
Ngl I'd read the fuck out of a comic like that.

>>149659225 (OP)
About what

>>149711485
> A terrorist attack happens on Femazonia
> Stephanie soon after declares war on the rest of the world and attempts her largest scale takeover plan yet
> Fate of mankind in the balance, heroes get changed, nothing will ever be the same, etc etc. Stephanie gets defeated in the end
> After being captured, Stephanie reveals to Steve why she *had* to do it:
> The terrorist attack on Femazonia was no simple terrorists. It was a Hydra cell. And when she retaliated, she found evidence that Hydra was more deeply entrenched around the world than she ever imagined.
> "They're about to do something, something big. I HAD to save the world before they destroy it. We are running out of time."
> Gives Steve all she knows about the current Hydra plot, immediately moving into the next hydra story arc
> When things get dire enough, Steve has to begrudgingly release Stephanie and let her rally her remaining forces to fight Hydra together.

>>149713083
Feminine supremacy

>>149714205
It occurs to me that our Stephanie design is missing one crucial detail: Stephanie needs a shield. If New Cap spawned in with a shield, thats fine. If we say that New Cap didn't spawn in with a shield, then in the initial arc someone should steal the shield from Stephanie and give it back to Steve... or she gives it to him herself as a sign of respect and an admission that she isn't Captain America anymore.
But either way, when it comes time to fight the idea that Stephanie wouldn't prepare a shield for herself to use it silly, thats the combat style that she knows best. Stephanie might make use of her thicc legs to fight with powerful kicks more than punches now, but I don't see why she would give up on having a shield. It also helps reinforce in the future that, yes, this person used to be Captain America.
If she makes a new shield, it will obviously have a new design. If she still has the original cap shield... not sure if its been repainted or if she keeps it the same as it was because she doesn't think her values have changed all that much. She still believes in the American Dream, there are just other things she fights for now as well. A BETTER American Dream, for all womankind.

>>149714313
5-rotational symmetry, black & gold, venus symbol.

>>149714313
My shitty attempt at what I see as Stephenie's shield. It's basically the same one she had (since I think NormalSteve came with his own) so she just changed the colors to be more fitting for her new role as leader of the Femazons. I also figure since she's trying to show that she still believes in the American Dream in her own way, it'd be less of a massive redesign of the emblem and more in the colors, since it's now more symbolic that her view on what said Dream is different then what she used to think it was, but she is still very much a believer in it and is still who she was to a (probably uncomfortable to the Avengers) degree.

>>149714718
>>149714313
>>149714623
Here's what I was thinking for the design but I'm unsure about colors.

>>149714718
>>149714833
Either can work, and each one represents a fundamentally different path for Stephanie. The more similar to the original design the shield is, the more Stephanie clings to her past as Steve and still believes that she hasn't really change what she is fighting for. The more radical the change in the shield design, the more she has rejected that origin and embraced a newer, more extreme Femazon agenda.

So it could be that she starts off using the more america-themed shield at first, when she is on friendlier terms with the Avengers and is still ambiguously sympathetic, and then changes out to the Venus symbol shield later on when she goes full supervillain?

>>149714900
I think it should be more like she adds on the venus symbol when she goes full supervillian to show she's gone through a major change, but her core ideals are very similar (if twisted)

I will say I'm not sure if the star should stay this big thought, but I wasn't sure how to make it look good in the smaller hole with what I'm using now.

>>149714900
>So it could be that she starts off using the more america-themed shield at first, when she is on friendlier terms with the Avengers and is still ambiguously sympathetic, and then changes out to the Venus symbol shield later on when she goes full supervillain?
That sounds like a good visual shorthand to show off GorgonCap's current alignment.

>>149710471
>I have some suspicions how the Femazons might be used in the 2010
Culture war stuff would be a minefield for Femazonia, especially when women's rights come into play. Someone would absolutely do a Femazonia storyline where they launch a plot against the US Government after Roe v Wade got repealed, under the logic of "Males shouldn't be making decisions about a purely female issue. It doesn't apply to you or affect you. But maybe it should..."
Also, speaking of topical political stuff, there is no way that Stephanie doesn't drop a "The future is female" at some point. Its an old feminist slogan, but its just so on the nose.

>>149716372
Yeah, the Femazons Post-2014 would be really mixed when it comes to writing quality. Superia might become a crazy bitch again around that point too I think, but that might depend more on how GorgonCap is perceived by readers and her popularity than Superia herself.

>>149717370
Knowing how comic writing is, someone would turn Steph into a raging villain that does a bunch of stuff that can't be forgiven, and then like 6 months later someone else will come on an repair the damage by revealing that actually Superia got out of her gay baby jail and secretly made a Stephanie robot to usurp back control of the femazons and the real Stephanie is locked up in a prison somewhere and once she gets freed and Superia gets kicked to the curb the Femazons are mostly chill again.

You know, dumb comic book stuff.

>>149718006
Just a question if it's the Black Cat cycle (90% hero) or the Mystique cycle (90% villain)

>>149718215
Maybe it would depend on what comic she's appearing in? Like, if she has a kid with Iron Man she'd act a bit more like Black Cat in his comics, but then she would be more like Mystique in Captain America or Avenger comics, and then she's portrayed as a anti-villian when she shows up in X-men or other mutant comics.

>>149718215
>>149719134
Lets not forget that as a comics character, she will be written not just in different comics but by different writers. We can't reasonably expect a fully consistent character presentation for a recurring villain, even main protagonists are not immune to getting wildly out of character runs.

>>149719196
True, Stephanie and the Femazons in general probably have wildly different characterizations depending on the writer and what their place in the story is.

>>149718215
Maybe she's more an anti-hero/villian?

>>149714623
That many makes it look like crosses I think just one is probably better like >>149714833

>>149722434
Snowflake

>>149722434
My proposal

>>149659727
Captain America I get... but Paladin? Why fucking bother? I mean >>149699856 is right, he'd do it. But I don't get what these ladies get out of it.

>>149722693
Im conflicted; on one hand, a retractable gun that forms the shape of the venus symbol sounds awesome and fits the theme well. On the other hand, said gun would totally fuck with the shields balance and would make it impossible to throw, which is a main aspect of the shield.... maybe it's a variation of it?

>>149714833
>>149714982
I think something like these would be perfect.
>>149722434
This one's a bit much.

>>149716372
>>149714982

>>149723667
>Marvel Comics circa 2016
In all seriousness, that looks surprisingly dope.

>>149692475
I can't believe I drew that. Looking back I'm a bit ashamed of my start.
thanks for remembering me btw :,)

>>149724597
I liked how unique the Earth-63 charaters looked in your artstyle. Glad to see you're still around and that is a damn nice GorgonCap, very nice shading.

>>149723667
This gives me snu-snu vibes.

>>149724597
Great GorgonCap!

>>149724597
Nice to see you again

>>149724304
>2016 Marvel
Maybe, the timeline for GorgonCap's Femazon that I've seen the thread setting up goes like this
>1990s- >>149710006 takes place, introducing GrogonCap and her version of the Femazons, as well as setting up the new status quo for what Femazonia is like (the public and black book teams, how it funtions, etc.). I can also see the Stephanie/Tomy hookup happening, probably during Secret Invasion
>2000s
The status quo of the 90s holds and things are mostly the same until around the middle of the decade, where a storyline like >>149713475 is written and Stephanie changes her shields design to include the venus symbol
>2010s
The Femazons go back to being bit villains for a while, but get pulled back into the spotlight around 2016 and Hillary loses. I can see a storyline like >>149723667 appearing around this time as a sort of back and forth between writers happens. I don't think another invasion storyline would be made, but some sort of Femazonian backed insurgency in America being a thing might be likely. Also if Tony and Stephanie had a kid, I'd expect an age up to happen sometime in this decade.
>2020s
Like>>149716372 said, which would be published in late 2022 or early 2023, which might also be when >>149723667
would be made. It'd end sometime in 2024, as I can see them trying to stretch it out until November for obvious reasons but they might be forced to end it early.
Not sure how they would be used now, especially if the robot thing was used. Maybe a Femazonian Civil War is a thing?

>>149723667
Thicc

>>149726665
>Not sure how they would be used now
Considering how many american companies and institutions are in the process of kow-towing to the right wing for fear of being punished by the white house, it is likely that starting in 2025 the Femazons just... vanish. Maybe they will come back again in the future, but the writers will largely want to avoid using them for anything big for a while.

The only way that wouldn't be true is if Femazonia had a popular enough reception during the right window of time for its events to get name recognition alongside things like Secret Invasion or Civil War. Big enough that there was some manner of adaptation of it for the MCU (though not a comic accurate one). In the event that there was already a live action Gorgon Cap, they probably wouldn't can Femazonia in the comics without a lot more pressure. And in the post-endgame MCU which is flailing for direction, the idea of using Gorgon Cap to provide a continuitiy of Captain America without Chris Evens is appealing. They would almost certainly make her a Steve from another dimension in their directionless multiverse plot.

>>149724597
>garter straps
Hnnng.

>>149728383
The Femazons and Stephanie's appearing in the MCU's Civil War for a bit I'd say would be likely. Not a big roll, but something noticeable enough for people to have some knowledge (especially since of their name, its a bit goofy)

A lot of this depends on how the comics handled the Femazons in the 90s and 2000s though. If the comic make Stephanie and Tony have a kid around Secret War in the comics, and the mid 2000s Invasion storyline goes over well with readers, I could that success leading to a adaptation of Superia's storyline in an Iron Man movie (Chris Evan guest starring) with a later movie dealing with the fallout of Gorgon Cap and Tony's kid. If they're comic aren't successful, I'm not sure the Femazons get any major focus in film that much and are probably stuck being background or solo film villains that pop up sporadically.

That said, I also can see them try to use GorgonCap to replace Chris Evans like you said due to the current state of the MCU, and totally fucking it up in the worst way possible regardless of how they were handled throughout the MCU before that. It might even effect how the appear in the comics depending on what happens.

>>149724597
SEX

>>149729843
Even if Stephanie and Tony have a kid in the comics, I just can't see any version of that realistically making it to the MCU. Its just too divorced from what MCU Tony was about, they were too invested in his relationship with Pepper and this would just confuse that.

You might see it in something with more screen time, like an episodic cartoon. But don't forget that the Avengers, in the MCU, only *really* existed for like 1.5 movies. The get established by the end of Avengers 1, and the cracks have wedges driven into them in the next immediate Avengers movie that start to break the team apart, and then in Civil War the Avengers are over. They spent almost no time as the Avengers. They simply didn't have time to get stuck in the weeds on this kind of thing.

MCU Stephanie would need to be a multiversal variant, where we are informed that the Superia Strategy happened in her backstory and maybe get a flashback or two of it, but the focus then becomes that she wants to expand Femazonia from her Earth to other worlds or something. Honestly, this would have been a better Cap 4 than the drivel we got, because the idea of Sam as the new Captain America needing to fight a 'corrupted' version of Steve actually could have a lot of interesting weight behind it. Sam also makes for the right protagonist to give Stephanie her chance to make her case and try and talk her down instead of immediately resorting to punching so we get some good interaction scenes between them.

>>149729946
Yeah, I can see Disney fucking up the Femazons real badly

lovely

>>149729946
>Honestly, this would have been a better Cap 4 than the drivel we got, because the idea of Sam as the new Captain America needing to fight a 'corrupted' version of Steve actually could have a lot of interesting weight behind it. Sam also makes for the right protagonist to give Stephanie her chance to make her case and try and talk her down instead of immediately resorting to punching so we get some good interaction scenes between them.

"So how does this work? Is there a Samantha Wilson on your Earth now?"
"No."
"So I was just never born?"
"You were born. We met. We fought side by side... but then you died."
"...fighting you."
"Not me, not like that, but yes. You never stopped fighting Femazonia. I wanted to save you, to elevate you into your superior self, but never got the chance. A failure I've regretted ever since. You deserved better."
"I deserve to make my own choices, even if they don't fit what you think is best. Isn't that what we both believed in? The freedom to make our own choices?"
"You didn't choose to be born a man. The flip of a coin decided that for you. All I'm doing is giving you another option."
"Funny, because it feels like you're giving me no option at all."

>>149731820
You may not like it but this is what the perfect specimen of womanhood looks like
>t. drooling Superia

>>149731820
wew

>>149731820
NEED STEPH.

>>149731820
You gotta work on head proportions man

>>149731820
Casual Steph looks pretty damn nice

>>149731820
Damn, that super-solider serum does wonders.

This is some weird shit, guys. But you're alright.

>>149659225 (OP)
Who?

>>149736487
Here's the storytime >>149666922

>>149736555
Thanks.

>>149731820
Nice jugs

>>149731820
I hope you're around for the next rule63 thread at the end of the month.

>>149739696
It's the idea, also hang around more through aco

>>149739894
Very cool, looking forward too seeing what you come up with next.

>>149731820
I'd let her invade my country!

>>149664353
Last one.

>>149742252
Very nice Scarlet Sunligh there anon! It’s cool to see her and Kala get new pics made of them, thank you.

See you for 63thread

>>149742252
If you're able to answer, what program do you use to make these? I want to try it out, it looks interesting.

>>149742252
Hope this idea gets revived at some point.

oh noes

>>149745671
I mean, it popped up in this thread since the two share a similar if slightly different 'Inverted/Reversed Charater' concept, so the idea has legs. Maybe some sort of collective thread for this concept in general would be interesting?

>>149744465
Its sora

>>149746638
Can you tell me what setting you use? I'd like to try my hands at this myself a bit.

>>149746638
Is this at vidfly?

>>149745671
I feel like it does better as it's own alternative DC Earth, since that allows for more focus on things like what that Earths storyline equivalents to the main DC Earth would be as wrll as the similarities and differences they have beyond the just the characters (which we sort of got with some of the greentext that was written in thise threads)

Plus a few of the core characters didn't have Earth-63 designs made of them yet likeif like Aquaman and Womder Woman, so their's still some discussion there.

>>149746868
Just the default from the website

>>149747697
Understood, is this openai?

>>149750189
This made me realize Femazonia definitely has a "Museum of Great Women" with marble statues of Cleopatra or Boudica, or at least something similar

>>149750752
> 2016
> Marvel, like the rest of america, assumes that Hillary will win the election and gets ahead of itself by including a 'first woman president' statue in Femazonia's hall of fame.
> November 5th, 2016
> Stephanie chucks the Hillary statue into the ocean

>>149750752
>Steph, what's Ben Franklin doing here?
>She was a closeted trans woman.
>Elaborate on that.
>No.

>>149750833
Ben Franklin being the one to single out as trans is especially baffling, considering that Benny Franks is known for two pearls of incredible wisdom that remain true in every age:
1: Never get into debt. With anyone. For any amount. For any reason. That shit is how you lose everything.
2: Fuck older women.

>>149750867
Who could be behind this

>>149747695
I don't disagree completely, but I think the problem with that is that the idea originally stems from the characters getting transformed and the immediate consequences of that, so if it's actually an alternate reality where they've always been like that, instead of them just believing it, then it loses some of that genderbending appeal.
It's somewhat cheating, but the way I imagined this, is that it would've been basically similar to those old "Imaginary Stories" that DC did. Basically weird ideas and stories that each take place on their own separate Earths that are mostly similar to the main one, except for one change or story that they would never do in the main canon. That way, it's still its own alternate Earth (I assume everyone would get swapped eventually), but you still keep the transformation aspect that this idea started as.

>>149750867
>>149750833
It'd be more like Femazonia would take the line "Behind every Great man is a Great woman." To the most extreme
>why is there a statue of Martha Washington here?
>Because how else was Washington inspired to fight for America?

>>149750921
I'd say both can work; you can have Earth-63 be a alternate Earth that's basically Earth-3 + Earth-11 + Inverted Personality & Powers/Weaknesses, that way you can just explore what the Earth-63 characters get up too on their own time as well as what Earth-63 is like in general, while you can also do the whole "Imagimary Stories" thing with greentexts when you want to focus on that.
>>149750931
What's this? Looks intriguing.

>>149750904
>The radical misandrist feminist canonically works in education
Fucking kek

>>149751214
Hickman's Avengers which I think is the last thing she's been in

>>149751251
Superia's costume has somehow got worse over time, can't believe they ruined such a great design.

>>149751249
Poetry. Writes itself.

>>149751418
Yep, subverting the school sysyem sounds right up Superia's alley.

>>149744298
Cya

>>149752065
thighs made for intercrural and leglock

>>149752065
Unf, those thighs.

>>149751303
People generally got smaller after the 90s ended.